I’m a woman in college and honestly I’m sitting here laughing while reading this biology book. The next page is about the FEMALE reproductive system. The leftists must not have gotten to my college yet...

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Sex has an objective metric that is determined during the fecundation process ("conception") where the two non somatic, haploid cells join to become a brand new , diploid cell called a "Zygote". Each of the original contributors had 23 chromosomes, when they join, they have 23 pairs of chromosomes.

The 23rd pair or "the sexual chromosomes" are what determines sex (I.e. man/woman). Once the genotype is established, the zygote will develop male characteristics or female characteristics as it matures [I.e. XY = man, XX = woman, all genotype anomalies except XXX = man]. At the end of the gestational process, even with possible congenital defects or phenotype anomalies, the sex will always be the same as it was when the zygote was formed.

Reference: Langman's Medical Embryology, chapter 1 and 2.

The "transgenders" mythology has no basis in reality. What I said isn't opinion and has decades of accrued medical data over multiple disciplines even, etc.

Before the "MUH GENDER THO" response; "gender" is a semantical concept, a mere abstract. It does not exist in reality and is simply the method by which we structure/classify language. A language like english has very little use for "gender", but say, spanish, gender is one of the fundamental principles of the whole thing.

Ex: Gato / Gata (Male cat / female cat)

Carro = male

Radio = female

Casa = female

Sol = male

etc. that's gender.

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So that last part is unrelated. Words only mean what we all decide collectively. Also, I am aware of the 6th grade level science on the subject, but that isn't the entire picture. Intersex people exist, it's just a fact, and they're about 1% of the population. Not to mention hormonal development and hormonal disorders. There are people who have XX chromosomes and a vagina yet they go through male puberty due to high testosterone levels and low estrogen levels. Those people have the primary characteristics of one sex (xx, vagina, uterus). But they have the secondary characteristics of the other (tall, bearded, muscly, broad shouldered, deep voice). Those people can go through society and most people will assume they're a man, but if it's chromosomal entirely then most of the people they interact with are wrong.

Take dogs for example. They have two sexes generally. However dogs don't have gender. A female dog and a male dog behave very similarly and don't have arbitrary clothing and behavior rules. Humans, as far as we know, are the only species to have gender. Think of it as the difference between apes trading favors, and the complex and constructed economic system humans have. Gender is real, but only as real as we all decide it is.

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Their "mental state" is unhealthy and it does harm to encourage the delusion.

What harm are you referencing? I can understand when talking about children that their understanding of self isn't fully developed and so encouraging it at a young age may be harmful. But with regards to adults, what is the harm? Ideally, I'd like to see some sources but I understand not everyone has sources to hand so don't worry too much about it.

You can acknowledge someone's experiences as being real without stating that their experience reflects reality.

Additionally, while I would say that gender is strongly linked to biological sex, I wouldn't say that they are the same. You can have masculine women (tomboys) who are comfortable as women but take on more of the gender roles associated with being a man. In the same way, you have very feminine men who, while being comfortable describing themselves as men, take on more of the gender roles associated with being female. How would you describe this? If these personality traits have a very strong correlation with sex, how would you describe the outliers?

[–]Sbevette-1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago (2 children) | Copy

So this is a clear mistake. We all learned that "if you have a penis, you're male, and if you have a vagina, you're female" in elementary school. But that's just an elementary school understanding. If a man were to lose his penis in a tragic penis losing accident would he cease to be a man. If a woman get's a penis donation transplant is she a genuine trans man?

Do you check everyone you know's genitals before you assume their sex?

The truth is gender is based on looks and social role. When you look at a woman, you just think "that's a woman" without really analysing everything about her. There is no biological imperative for women to wear skirts, stay at home, crochet, wear makeup, etc.

Because none of that is necessary, anyone, including a biological male, intersex person, or female, can do all that stuff. If it walks like a woman, talks like a woman, does womanly stuff, and says it's a woman, it's a woman.

You are right that transgender isn't a sexual orientation. The reason it's lumped in with LGBT is that trans people and LGB people have the common experience of being told to just conform to gender norms. For a long time, and still today, gay people are shamed and told they aren't real men/women. All hatred towards these groups boils down to a desire to make them fit into the arbitrary gender roles they were assigned. They find common ground and solidarity in that.

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The truth is gender is based on looks and social role.

Completely, 100% false. Gender = Sex, and it is purely biological.

Based on chromosomes and their expression.

Someone BORN with a penis. Neither accidents, or elective body manipulation play any roll in a person's gender / sex.

There is no biological imperative for women to wear skirts, stay at home, crochet, wear makeup, etc.

False. They've evolved to be better at domestic duties, and the vast majority prioritize such rolls over the dog-eat-dog, competitive jobs men gravitate to.

Not every individual, naturally. There is a bell curve, but in general, these things are dictated by evolution, not some fantasy of "social norms" the rad-fem cultists preach about in "studies" courses.

A male can be as effeminate, or female as masculine as all get-out, but it doesn't change the biological science of their gender. They are still either male or female, according to their chromosomal makeup; AKA Man or Woman.

the arbitrary gender roles

There is nothing "arbitrary" about gender rolls in any way. They are a direct result of millions of years of evolution.

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Gender roles are not the same across different cultures and across time. They don't hold up to serious consideration. Intersex people exist. Sex is the biological traits, gender is the social norms. Sex=\=Gender. Not everyone is born with clear genitalia. Having a penis doesn't make you a man because men can lose their penises. Reproducing as a man or woman doesn't decide your gender because there are infertile people. Women are just as capable of doing "dog eat dog" jobs. I am speaking from experience because I have XXY(klinefelter) chromosomes and I am unequivocally a man. If you look like a woman, society will treat you like a woman, making you, in effect, a woman. This is the arguement of essentialism brought to gender. There is no spiritual essence of womanhood or manhood, only what you put forward for the world to see. When trying to prove what a man or a woman really is, there will always be people who break the rules. The only 100% effective way to judge people gender is by asking. There can be men so feminine they appear to be women, and vice versa. Saying "it's simple science, I know because I passed 6th grade" doesn't help you. They don't teach the full truth in 6th grade because it's too complicated. It only reveals you have a 6th grade level understanding of genetics. Imagine thinking you were taught every intricacy of the ever-growing field of genetics as a child.

Now tell me, when you see someone, how do you know their gender?

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Title	I’m a woman in college and honestly I’m sitting here laughing while reading this biology book. The next page is about the FEMALE reproductive system. The leftists must not have gotten to my college yet...
Author	Gameperson700
Upvotes	111
Comments	40
Date	29 February 2020 03:09 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	antifeminists
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/707067
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/fb6c8e/im_a_woman_in_college_and_honestly_im_sitting/