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January 7, 2020
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We should create an organization, with males and females together, called ‘equalitism’, where we fight for equality. And then start calling feminism, ‘female superiority organization’. We may not even have to do that. If ‘equalatism’ catches on, maybe people will actually start fighting for equality. Thank you.


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Title I have an idea
Author DelusionalDonut13
Upvotes 31
Comments 41
Date 07 January 2020 12:44 PM UTC (8 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/707312
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/elb3dx/i_have_an_idea/
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[–]theiftine11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is The right answer no hate to anyone or other groups and everyone is welcome to their own opinions too but to show people that it is possible to be on the same level with each other.

[–]AngelFire_3_141562 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great idea! Maybe we could also set an example for our politicians.

[–]DelusionalDonut132 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you

[–]theiftine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No problem my dude

[–]qemist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why would anyone join such an organization? people want personal advantages and privileges. Who really wants an equal slice of the cake when they could have more? Granted a few naive idealists might be interested, but the vast majority want

  • something for themselves, or
  • something that will hurt the other.

[–]theiftine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True. But its just an idea or wish that if people have an example of what something that would be nice to see more of and maybe they might try to be a better person. It would nice to see a change in all of these big groups/organizations to be seen as safe places instead of a headache and something to be avoided and hated.

[–]akihonj3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's called egalitarianism and people like myself who are, are the kind of people who actually discuss issues that affect both we try to find ways that solve the problems for both, take suicide more men per year die through that than women, ok so far that's just a fact, how then can we solve this issue for both sides. Not solve it for men first nor women first but both sides together.

Violence against women is not actually as high as many think, actually men suffer greater through violence and violent attacks but women are more likely to suffer violence through somebody they know, this is an issue again nobody should be upset by it it's just another fact now what can be done about it so that both sides benefit not one over the other, neither side blames the other and neither side carries the blame.

[–]theiftine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So this is an actual group? Where can I get more info on it do you have some reliable links you can share??

[–]akihonj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not yet as the idea is still very much in its infancy, it's hard for people because people like us don't hold back on facts, some are difficult to swallow but important if as a society we are ever to actually move forward and solve the issues.

It needs a groundswell of people to become a proper movement, many feminists have tried to subvert it by saying egalitarianism is actually feminism but that's not true and you can test that by stating some of the facts I have already and see them implode.

[–]trash622 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I would call such an organization "being human" and it's generally what everyone is, if you strip away supremacy clubs.

Fighting for equality is impossible. The very second you attempt to "fight for equality" you make the implicit (and hidden) declaration that we are not equal.

I do call feminjism a female supremacy movement. Sometimes I call it "the women's supremacy movement" or just plain feminazi. Or supreminist.

We need a lot more women who are willing to stand up against the idea of inequality, masked as equality. But I think if someone actually does believe in equality, then that belief will naturally pull them away from feminism, once they realize what it's really about.

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[–]trash620 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Any movement or group that divides is destructive. Including men's rights movements. Feminism can not be said to be constructive, unless you believe its theories and look at things from its narrative.

Feminism isn't just toxic, it really is a supremacy movement and there is a lot if evidence to back that up. Evidence that will never be considered, for reasons that are obvious, once you realize those who decide what gets considered are heavily influenced by this supremacy group.

[–]TraumaJeans0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Abstract, theoretical feminism tries to achieve symmetrically fair conditions for both genders. There is a problem of women and men being disadvantaged in different areas, we do need to resolve those somehow, and once those are resolved there will be no need for feminism. I doubt feminism in its current state is capable to resolve those problems however.

In reality it is a supremacy club like you say, and one which mostly addresses problems selectively. But it wasn't meant to be.

[–]trash620 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

theoretical feminism tries to achieve symmetrically fair conditions for both genders. There is a problem of women and men being disadvantaged in different areas, we do need to resolve those somehow

This is exactly what I was talking about initially. As soon as you put yourself on another team and "address those issues" you declare an inequality.

I prefer the word "equal" over symmetrically fair, because it's easier to type. But either way, if you fight for symmetrically fair you declare a kind of division. It states that one is a victim of the other, and that one is therefore "morally superior" to the other.

A far more helpful approach is to address the issues affecting everyone, perhaps from multiple angles in a way that doesn't declare anyone unsymmetrical.

example: the patriarchy.

The patriarchy is a myth to anyone who knows about male disposability, yet I never hear anyone talk of "smashing the patriarchy" by doing away with male disposability . A core value which lead to a system they call "patriarchy" but never really served anyone anyway.

No, a theoretical feminist first asserts the patriarchy is a fact. That males some how dominated them, and that now symmetrical fairness has to be fought for.

It's a manipulative gaslighting trick based on the mythical patriarchy. You'll notice they now try to establish "rape culture" as a factual thing, that boys need to be "taught not to rape". In a few generations, everyone will believe in rape culture the way people now believe in "patriarchy".

It was always a supremacy club. Splitting up into teams will always lead to that.

[–]TraumaJeans0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree with you on patriarchy, except for many middle eastern and third world countries. It the west, it was an issue in the past. When it's being used in an argument about sexism now, is a bit like when slavery is brought up in the context of modern people in an argument about racism. (edit: rephrased)

[–]LSKM3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is called egalitarianism. It's how feminism started out in the good old days.

[–]TraumaJeans1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You son of a bitch, I'm in.

https://old.reddit.com/r/CrazyIdeas/comments/dd9dg8/intersection_of_feminism_and_mgtow_communities/

I believe now it should be more general - "humanism" or something, fighting bullshit in all aspects of our society.

(edit: it exists already heh)

[–]UnLiberal040 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Funny thing is, though, vegans hate it.

[–]baronmad1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Basic humanism, every human have the same value inherantly which might be changed due to how they act and speak.

I would be far removed from saying that hitler, stalin or mao were good people, but those changes are only due to how they acted, not because of their race or gender or sexuality.

[–]UnLiberal040 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Humanism was an ideology in the renaissance that glorified human beauty, focusing on the individual rather than a god.

[–]I-Say-Im-Dirty-Dan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second this motion

[–]YouCantChooseYourDNA2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

LOL as if females would ever go for that

[–]TraumaJeans-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not a good start

[–]DelusionalDonut13-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Not true, I can name some females, like my GF, who see the error of feminism. Your comment is not a good start at what we are going for.

[–]UnLiberal040 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

You, my friend are a rare individual, welcome aboard.

[–]DelusionalDonut130 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What do you mean?

[–]UnLiberal041 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not many people have the courage to speak out like that. You are a brave individual.

[–]DelusionalDonut130 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you

[–]UnLiberal040 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your welcome.

[–]LegendaryFlamed1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Honestly, yes. Because that's what we need. And nothing else

[–]DelusionalDonut131 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Was that sarcasm?

[–]LegendaryFlamed1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nope. I'm serious

[–]DelusionalDonut131 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ok, I read it in a sarcastic voice, sry

[–]LegendaryFlamed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No worries, kind sir

[–]TraumaJeans0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some rough ideas.

  • Principles must be "obviously kind", constructive, ethical, simple and unambiguous.
  • Measures must be effective at getting others to do the right thing (talking about unambiguous, i know).
  • It should take responsibility over certain problems normally attributed to other movements. For example, a story about a female victim raped and murdered? That's not feminism material, that's a crime against humanity and we should be all over it. Feminist involvement here should be tangental.
  • This new movement we are thinking about must be active, not just a circlejerk subreddit with memes and reposts.
  • I hate to say this but it should be "viral" and catchy. Other *-rights movements achieve this by engaging basic emotions such as anger, hate, cruelty, envy, fear, feeling special, etc. In contrast, humanism existed for centuries but somehow and sadly does not have much observable impact. It's a tricky one, not sure how we would go about this.
  • Principles must be such that only a moron would disagree with them. It must be obvious that any action against it effectively supports problems we are trying to resolve (such as the abstract rape murder story mentioned earlier).
  • Regarding its members, it should be neutral, inclusive and culture-agnostic.

No idea what to do though. We need some clever people to organise this. And a good name.

Starting on /r/antifeminists may not be wise as it would turn off many people - many non-violent feminists are good and want the right thing.

[–]Misogynes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody will join it, because there’s no benefit — it’s precisely the superiority that keeps women flocking to feminism.

If feminism ever became truly about equality, most of its support would dry up overnight.

[–]ZeldaNut930 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

This us already a thing. It's called egalitarianism.

[–]DelusionalDonut13-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Read my other comments

[–]JZSquared-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Here are all of your previous comments on this topic at this point in time:

"Thank you"

"Was that sarcasm?"

"Ok, I read it in a sarcastic voice, sry"

"Not true, I can name some females, like my GF, who see the error of feminism. Your comment is not a good start at what we are going for."

What exactly are we supposed to be looking for in relation to the comment by ZeldaNut93?

[–]DelusionalDonut13-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m talking about my comments on the organization. And how we should change the name to something stupid people will be able to understand easily



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