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Science vs Feminism

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October 25, 2019
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Title Science vs Feminism
Author linkinway
Upvotes 353
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Date 25 October 2019 04:35 AM UTC (11 months ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/707588
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/dmsc0u/science_vs_feminism/
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[–]TheLichKing-Zeyd21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Elbows shoulders hips your butt bone (forgot it's name) even our brains are different our strengths and weaknesses aren't the same,it's not that a gender is better than an other just different

[–]DemocratTears20204 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

coccyx

[–]SparklyGames1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Literally our differences compliment the others really well.

[–]Bert-Humble26 points27 points  (18 children) | Copy

What is the point of gender, why not just keep it at biological sex. Also feminists theory is not science it's politics pretending to be science.

[–]linkinway[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

exactly.

[–]DemocratTears20202 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, they're the same thing, no matter how popular John Money's fetishistic pedophile rape became.

[–]Narashori-2 points-1 points  (15 children) | Copy

Because of hormones and gender dysphoria and the such. Even though people keep on saying that it's just feelings and that facts don't care about your feelings, it's still a highly biological and physical issue which you don't have control over. We can't just tell people to stop feeling the way they do because of the hormones their brain and body produces.

[–]Chase2020J1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see what you're saying and it's completely reasonable, shouldn't be getting downvoted. Come on y'all

[–]SauceBeUponHim0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Even though people keep on saying that it's just feelings

We can't just tell people to stop feeling the way they do

Dude...

[–]Narashori3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Fair enough, that was poorly worded. But the point is that the use of the word "feelings" here makes it seem as if it's someone's personal opinion and issues on a smaller scale, when it's much more in the sense of having a medical depression. It doesn't work to just tell people to not feel sad to cure a depression.

[–]Khufu25890 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

And this is exactly why they should get mental health support instead of indulging their delusions by acknowledging their made up genders and pronoms.

[–]Narashori-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Alright, what mental health programs do you suggest? Which ones have you read about or found while researching this? The fact is that the best treatment of this "mental illness", which is an incorrect description of it but we can skip that for now, is to treat them as their preferred gender and to call them by the pronouns they are most comfortable with. Either that or you find a practical and easy way to change what hormones a human body produces.

[–]Khufu2589-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let's start with a mental health program that make them accept reality. If someone thinks he something else than what he really is, he has a mental issue.

"is to treat them as their preferred gender and to call them by the pronouns they are most comfortable with"

No fucking way I'm gonna call a furry 'xir'.

"Either that or you find a practical and easy way to change what hormones a human body produces."

Fun fact; trans take hormones specifically because their body is not producing it, or in the right amount for their liking.

[–]Narashori0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"No fucking way I'm gonna call a furry 'xir'."

Why not? Is it really that hard? What impact will it have on your life when it comes to what you call this person? Why can't we just be a little nice and do something as miniscule as changing what pronouns we use to refer to a person to? I mean, we already know to use different ones between women and men, so why can't we do more than that?

There are also a whole lot of other mental factors other than hormones which I did not mention for simplicitys sake, sorry about that, but the point still stands, please do try and find a way to "repair" all the things in someones brain and mind which causes them to have something in the style gender dysphoria or similar. Coming with the argument "We should just put them in programs were we tell them to stop and to 'accept reality' is just as effective as telling a medically depressed person to cheer up.

[–]SparklyGames-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

Alright and I don't feel like I should pay taxes because I wasn't asked to be born. Does that mean I should legally be exempt from taxation?

[–]Narashori0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

We keep on talking about these things as if they are just "feelings" even though they are engrained on such a deeper level than just "I don't feel like doing this". It's the same thing as "feeling sad" because you are medically depressed.

[–]SparklyGames-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

You're right they aren't feelings they are signs of mental instability and should be treated as such.

[–]Narashori-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yea sure we can say that. And do you know what the best ways are to treat this type of mental instability?

[–]SparklyGames0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

To help them accept reality, to not indulge in their fantasy, it is not to "transition" them, as they are what they are.

[–]Narashori-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

And have you seen the results of what mostly happens when you try to do this? Because I can tell you that it gives a result similair to gay conversion. All you are doing with these methods is suppressing something which is a core part of someones psyche and mind. You can't deny what their brain is telling them any more than you can force someone to be straight. And can I ask what you think is the supposed harm in letting them live out their fantasy? Because from what I have seen, it's usually a better and happier life with a lowered suicide rate.

[–]SparklyGames0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

[–]Narashori-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

For the first one:

Yes suicide rates are higher among transsexual people, since they generally go through more in their life and are much more likely to face bullying and harassment in their life while also struggling with their identity. And as the article you linked to says, one of the best methods to work against this is to create an accepting and supportive environment around them.

And for the second one:

That is one study. At the same time this one https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ Suggests the opposite. And at the same time, it is rather obvious that sexual orientation conversion will nearly always be ineffective and/or harmful as seen in this collection of studies. https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-whether-conversion-therapy-can-alter-sexual-orientation-without-causing-harm/ So I still ask you. What is the best way to deal with this so called "mental illness"?

[–]DemocratTears20205 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Men and females have different hip shapes. That's why "manspreading" is a thing: men's hips point the femur outward rather than straight forward, and naturally men's knees are no further apart than their shoulders, so manspreading is a non-issue that doesn't exist.

[–]SparklyGames0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Also I pinch my balls when I close my legs to tightly and it gives me extreme pain.

[–]InformalCriticism2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neuroscientists can also determine gender by looking at a brain with something like over 80% accuracy.

[–]Shaman19891 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gender and sex used to be synonymous up until the last 10 years or so. Now sex means biological and gender means social. I'm premed right now at university and my psychology teacher confirmed this new idea, kind of threw me off.

Yeah it's pretty funny, any decent group of scientists could prove even a hair of someone to be male or female. DNA tests are very accurate and all they would need to check is if you have XX or XY sex chromosomes.

[–]DemocratTears20200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Look up John Money. The entire DSM article was implanted by one of his friends to normalize his pedophilic fetishistic rape of twin boys.

[–]atamicbomb0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Gender is a social construct. Sex is not. Gender is what is associated with a given sex. For example, men being strong, stoic, etc. are traits of their gender. Men having (on average) higher bone density, different skin composition, etc. are sex characteristics. It’s almost important to note that there is more difference within a sex than between the sexes.

[–]Khufu25890 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Gender "expectations" are a social construct, not genders. Men in society X might like to wear skirts, but not in society Y. But they're still men. There's only two genders.

[–]atamicbomb0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Gender is by definition the social constructs that are associated with a biological sex.

[–]Khufu25890 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Good. We agree; gender = sex. So there's only two.

[–]atamicbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Where did I say social constructs = biology?

[–]atamicbomb0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There’s two sexes, not counting hermaphrodites. A culture gets to decide if there are 0, 2, 3 or possibly more genders (though I’ve never heard of more than 3)

[–]Khufu25890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

A culture gets to decide if there are 0, 2, 3 or possibly more genders

By that are you referring to SJWs that unilateraly decided to make up a bunch of absurd genders with assorted pronoms. Now that's a social construct!

[–]atamicbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The culture had to agree. If it’s unilateral it’s not a gender, unless you count feminism as so large that it’s it’s own culture.

You can’t make up a gender, it’s the result of decades of stereotypes.

[–]DemocratTears2020-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, they are the same thing, and John Money was a lying perverted fetishistic pedophile who rape twin boys and made child pron of it.

[–]Akumu010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget to respect trans people. Gender is important to them

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Many features can determine sex. The mastoid process, the occipital protruberance, hip, the general look of bones (mens bone prominences are more rigid and women's more smooth), elbows, I guess?, the frontal bone, the angle of the greater trochanter, the angle of the jaw



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