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Maybe the problem is just that feminists waste way too much time whining instead of trying to reach their goals.

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Title Maybe the problem is just that feminists waste way too much time whining instead of trying to reach their goals.
Author aroh100876
Upvotes 187
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Date 25 March 2019 02:53 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/708389
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/b5bn24/maybe_the_problem_is_just_that_feminists_waste/
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[–]lazarljubenovic22 points23 points  (6 children) | Copy

BuT wE aRe tAlKiNg aBoUt bArBiE nOt hEmAn yOu fUcKiNg bIgOt aLwAyS tHiNkInG aBoUt MeN lEt wOmEn bE a ToPiC fOr oNcE YoU sTrAiGhT wHiTe CiS sCuM

[–]Are2DToo7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Let’s address sexism by being RaCiSt!” - The HyPoCrItE.

What a turd!

[–]SophistMonk5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find it hilarious that "straight white" made it into this comment. Makes it sounds like it would be to talk about if you were "gay black". lol Good times.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, it's just toys, anyway.

[–]Keloid10-36T0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I HAVE THE POWER!!!!

[–]grap_grap_grap0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can erase the "maybe" from the title.

[–]chelseathewizard0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

....so you really don’t see how this is toxic masculinity? How unrealistic expectations on your gender can lead to dissatisfaction with both yourself and society? Because these expectations are unattainable? Btw your inclusion of the body standards for men.

IS A FEMINIST ARGUMENT.

So maybe you’re just as whiny as they are? Or you’re dissatisfied with the hegemonic oppression of your gender. Which is a feminist complaint. Take your pick.

[–]aroh100876[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Every time somebody says 'toxic masculinity', I automatically know I'm talking to a moron.

[–]chelseathewizard0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Cute. So you’re telling me you have NEVER experienced social pressures (by men, women, or both) to man up? To keep hitting on women because at least one of them is willing to bite? That the most masculine body you can have is a hairy, muscular, toned body? Either you’re willfully ignorant or just trying to troll by writing me off. Whatever.

If you want to critique my vernacular, fine. You, like every person here and elsewhere, are social creatures, right? Clearly, you’re in an Internet forum with other likeminded individuals.

Has it never occurred to you the power of social inoculation? That maybe the pressures you face to “be a man” weren’t your ideas? That maybe the tradition of masculinity you’ve inherited came from those in a position of authority over you? And that MAAAAAYBE some of those are harmful? Like kids playing with ultra-buff He Man toys aren’t going to make him insecure if he’s not that fit? That’s the point of this meme, right?

I won’t be reactionary, I know that’s troll food, and one of you will inevitably make a weak meme about it later. I really do hope I could clear up some misconceptions while I point out this meme is using feminist rhetoric as a non sequitur against weak feminist talking points. Hope I could educate you a bit,

Love, A Moron

PS for those of you who seem to misinterpret this for imaginary internet points, gender being a social construct doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Money is a social construct. It is still a very real facet of our reality, often coming with consequences if we try to reject these constructs. Have a blessed day sweetie

[–]aroh100876[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Let's start with saying that not because you spam the same BS several times it makes it more true.

And now, to argue your points...

Is funny how for hundred of thousands of years there was not a single woman complaining about 'toxic masculinity' or men 'manning up'. And I guess that didn't happen because without men 'manning up', well, it would have been seriously difficult to go out and do things like hunting mammoths, protecting your family from wild beasts, build big buildings with very rudimentary tools, become miners or participate in other very dangerous activities; to, you know, build the civilization we have today.

I guess women back then came to the conclusion that staying home with the kids was way better than risking their lives trying to provide for their families and preferred to keep their mouths shut.

And again, it's funny how women waited until the XX Century to start complaining. I mean, by then, getting food was as easy as going to the closest supermarket. And of course, by then, working meant to be sitting down on their fat asses and even today, you can barely find any women in the few dangerous jobs left. Civilization today allows women to upload a feminist video to YouTube and make money out of it.

So yes, the whole 'women can do anything men can do' argument works pretty well today. And I bet that after watching those Hollywood movies with... let's say 100 pounds Angelina Jolie, kicking the ass of several 250 pounds guys; you've convinced yourself that women have never needed men at all. But then again, through 10,000 years of written history, there's barely any woman worth mentioning until the XX Century. And the true is, that if we put aside the reproduction thing, men, in 300,000 years (more or less what scientists say the homo sapiens has been in this world), men have never needed women to achieve anything. Berghaus at the end of the day, when faced with a jerk, men have always 'man up'.

And you may say that women have never needed men either, but here is a fun fact: when compared to their male counterpart, the human female is the weakest female in all the animal kingdom.

And by now you may be thinking I hate women, but that can't be farther from the true. I have a daughter (she is only for right now) and I hope she gets a college degree and finds a job doing what she likes.

It's not women I hate. What I hate is the BS feminist message and the fact t that now, being a man is a thing we should be ashamed of.

Yes, I was pressured to man up, not once but several times. Nothing wrong with it. And being 'a man' is not as social construct, it's something we evolved to be. Without it, the human race would not be here today. Complaining about it and coming up with BS like 'toxic masculinity' is stupid. Not to mention, women are at least as toxic as men. Just because a woman can't beat the shit or of a man doesn't mean women can be a bunch of jerks.

So yes, you're a moron.

[–]chelseathewizard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your tone seems very pointed right now

I didn’t bring up a single thing about women not needing men??? I am simply stating a fact that you yourself agreed upon; that growing up, boys (just like girls) are given toys, statements, (man up) etc. that reinforce values and expectations. I don’t see any biological need for boys to have extremely buff plastic dolls. I believe you and your cavemen you’re so fond of didn’t need beefed out toys to build things. Ergo, this is a social issue.

And cavemen, really?

Your response hardly addressed my actual points. You incorrectly equivocated that harmful stereotypes of unobtainable body standards can lead to dissatisfaction in ones body image, with my shaming of being a man in general. Did I once attack you for being a man? No, it seems not.

I also mentioned women once, without mentioning a single issue they face. I did however state that unrealistic body standards fall under feminist critique. If I had to guess, I think that’s what made you upset. Because somehow women being weak made its way into a conversation that wasn’t about women, but y’all can’t seem to let that go.

Maybe you have been inoculated with the idea that all feminists are frothing at the mouth looking to castrate any and all people with penises. Granted, those people exist, are a VERY small minority, and are batshit crazy and you know that. It’s just silly that this whole subreddit is devoted to using straw women in this case to stereotype us into being monsters. Y’know, like the supposed feminists ruining our society you seem to loathe. /s

The women in history thing you mentioned is a really wide claim with no evidence to back that up. So either you really don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re willfully using blanket statements and omitting any historical context for any events pre-20th century involving half of the worlds population. Take your pick.

And regarding women not complaining soon enough, when would you prefer? A thousand years ago? Would that make the statement credible? That’s a weak argument meant to get people to stop talking about their problems. Also known as silencing. But those PC cucks are the ones who silence US, right?????

I mean, we didn’t start complaining about using lead in household items for thousands of years, but then again life expectancy was less than half of what it is today. It was a part of life that was generally accepted. We as a CIVILIZATION learned things and how causal relations work. We figured out it’s actually really bad for all of us. So we made a change. Change is okay, I promise.

So maybe you don’t want to agree with feminist critique, but you in part espouse it. You seem to sincerely believe feminists all hate men, but like, you’re part of a subreddit that does nothing but make half-baked memes about hating on women who are also feminist. It appears as if you want to be mad about feminism. How does it hurt you, exactly? Who hurt you?

Maybe you liked growing up with traditional masculinity. Cool. Maybe you found genuine inspiration to be an incredibly buff adult man from playing with GI Joes. Cool. I doubt it though.

From the looks of your profile it seems you are rather fond of name calling. Perhaps that makes you feel more confident by hurling whatever and hoping it sticks. I doubt it though.

[–]chelseathewizard0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I sincerely want to know, do you think toxic masculinity means that all masculinity is toxic?

I want to actually engage with your thought process.

[–]aroh100876[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I thought I've made my point clear: there is no such thing as toxic masculinity.

There is toxic behavior, yes. But I dare you to tell me something that men do, that women don't. The only difference between men and women is that women always get a pass.

Toxic masculinity muy ass... Let's try with toxic human behavior instead.

[–]chelseathewizard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cute. So you’re telling me you have NEVER experienced social pressures (by men, women, or both) to man up? To keep hitting on women because at least one of them is willing to bite? That the most masculine body you can have is a hairy, muscular, toned body? Either you’re willfully ignorant or just trying to troll by writing me off. Whatever.

If you want to critique my vernacular, fine. You, like every person here and elsewhere, are social creatures, right? Clearly, you’re in an Internet forum with other likeminded individuals.

Has it never occurred to you the power of social inoculation? That maybe the pressures you face to “be a man” weren’t your ideas? That maybe the tradition of masculinity you’ve inherited came from those in a position of authority over you? And that MAAAAAYBE some of those are harmful? Like kids playing with ultra-buff He Man toys aren’t going to make him insecure if he’s not that fit? That’s the point of this meme, right?

I won’t be reactionary, I know that’s troll food, and one of you will inevitably make a weak meme about it later. I really do hope I could educate you a bit, and point out this meme is using feminist rhetoric as a non sequitur against weak feminist talking points. Hope I could educate you a bit,

Love, A Moron

PS for those of you who seem to misinterpret this for imaginary internet points, gender being a social construct doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Money is a social construct. It is still a very real facet of our reality, often coming with consequences if we try to reject these constructs.



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