and yet, women win more custody battles in court

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Title and yet, women win more custody battles in court
Author skbraaah
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Date 02 May 2020 02:30 AM UTC (11 months ago)
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[–]jacobjacobi3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’m not commenting on custody issues here; but I would like to point out that a single star in isolation does not form the basis of a whole argument. Has it been adjusted for the current distribution of male/female average time alone with child for example? Can the stats be split between accidents and non accidents? How do those accident stats compare to accidental deaths in a full population?

I’m simply saying that making an argument off of a single stat like this weakens the argument. If there is a point to be made here, more data is needed to substantiate it.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you read the cited study in the graphic, it actually answers most of your questions.

[–]jacobjacobi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. My eyesight isn’t that great and I didn’t see it.

[–]TonyPoly9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol data from 2006?? It’s 2020 what the fuck

[–]username21360 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you expecting the data to be that much different? I also think that it is necessary to point out how long this bull has been going on and everyone is willfully (or not) ignorant.

[–]TonyPoly1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The data doesn’t mean anything if it’s not relevant data. A lot happens in 14 years, so it could be much different, or it could be the same. Too bad that data doesn’t tell us anything

[–]beniesixx982 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And this is why I want them to move when you can get your tubes tied to be at least when you know that you don't want kids. Like damn its awful as hell and I hope those women lose their kids and be locked away forever.

[–]Deathbysugar20203 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Stop posting data from 2006. Data from 2018 says that the mother is the perpetrator in 54.7% of cases.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

I just read through the [latest report. ]( On what page did you find such numbers? The fatalities table don't seem to match up with what you posted...

[–]Deathbysugar2020-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I misread the title. I put the numbers for perpetrators of child abuse instead of homicides. Edited the homicide numbers.


[–]NohoTwoPointOh10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why would you choose to use a different source than the OP's chart? I posted the exact same report to keep the methodology consistent.

I think I have an idea why. Look at the main author of the study (versus the OP's NHHS data which is compiled by dozens of authors of both genders and backgrounds). It appears that the report you posted (at best) did not follow the same methodology of data collection. At worst, the main author cherry-picked the shit out of data to confirm what is likely a bias, given her background and other studies. Looking at her other publications, this is not at all far-fetched.

Looking at the #2 author (who seems to be the data grunt), we see clear evidence of bias in her works. The other paper she authored on the subject has the following in the abstract:

*" Violence against women and violence against children are distinct research fields. Quantitative studies have demonstrated their intersection**, ****but qualitative data provides an opportunity for a comprehensive understanding of this interface******. Interviews with 22 parents/caregivers convicted of child homicide provided an opportunity to explore the context of violent experiences in their lives including their use of violence and their experiences of it in their intimate and parenting relationships. ******Using a feminist framework,\***\** we found that patriarchal family structures, gender and power dynamics contribute to the use of violence."

(90% of the time, when you read such statements around eschewing quantitative data, it means "The numbers didn't support where I wanted them to go, so here's some dancing..."

A feminist framework, eh? No fucking bias there, right? The third author has a similar bent to her limited work. But wait... looking at the next author's papers, we see the origin of the many of the original report's samples.

I won't even ask you about the paper's peer-review process (when compared to the clearly-stated process in the ANNUAL NHHS report). Too early in the morning for gymnastics.

This is a common tactic of feminists. Luckily, some of us are educated enough in the fields of research and the authorship of whitepapers and research papers. For a few decades, I have poured enough slanted Ministry of Defense papers and sociology/anthropology/history/criminal justice research papers to sniff out agendas. Unlike the others, this one isn't even subtle. It works against amateurs, but not so much against a journeyman or better.

[–]icetoaneskim07 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This person wins^

[–]SeizmicETC3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Great investigation skills.

[–]qemist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Likely cause-effect confusion. If women are winning custody they have more opportunity.

[–]John-27030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess a counter argument could be due to many varying factors, overall statistics are irrelevant as each family can differ

[–]SupremeLoda-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying,if you get the child you win?

[–]vicsj-4 points-3 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'd expect a big chunk of these statistics are a result of post partum depression. It's a very dangerous thing that doesn't get talked about nearly enough. That would explain why it doesn't affect men as much.

[–]skbraaah[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

postpartum depression is just another reason why women are less fit to be given custody of children.

[–]vicsj-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Totally agree

[–]SeizmicETC4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Post partum depression? Is that like "battered woman syndrome" where women are allowed to stab their husbands/boyfriends to death in their sleep and then just claim they were abused for years and face no jail time for it?

[–]vicsj1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

No lol. It's a genuine mental disorder that can occur after birth mainly due to hormonal imbalances (although it can persist for way longer than just after birth if it goes untreated). It's not a joking matter, and it's not an excuse or justification for killing anyone. It's simply a potential explanation as to why women dominate these statistics. Men can experience post partum depression as well for various reasons, but it's obviously way more common among women.

It's still a fairly stigmatized subject which could be why you don't know much about it. Mothers who experience PPD are notorious for not seeking out professional help because there's a lot of shame surrounding the disorder, which is what makes it potentially dangerous. In many cases where you see mothers kill their children, it's shown they were suffering from PPD. That doesn't change how fucked up it is, but it does prove that it is completely preventable which is what we should be focusing on.

I suggest actually researching it a bit, I think it's an interesting phenomenon. You can also look up "family annihilators", which is another psychological / criminal phenomenon that probably comes into play in this statistic. Although it is a separate issue from PPD as far as we know.

[–]SeizmicETC2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I know all about it, it's as legitimate and real as battered wife/woman syndrome.

I don't want to get into a debate about the inconsistent nature of our mental health system but if you think it's routed in scientific fact/evidence, you're mistaken, by a wide margin.

[–]vicsj-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

The mental state of a human being regardless of gender has nothing to do with feminism. Hormones and brain chemistry is routed in science. However, how society and the state discriminates against men by favouring women is about feminism. So PPD isn't a feminist issue. Murdering your children isn't a feminist issue. How the justice system responds to it is a feminist issue. But this post wasn't about that, it merely called attention to an underrated statistic regarding females.

More importantly, just boiling child murders down to battered woman syndrome greatly undermines the complexity of the issue. Just like saying school shooters, who are mostly male, are just evil and a lost cause, and that's that.

[–]SeizmicETC1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you replying specifically to me? I don't remember saying any of the things you're actually discussing here.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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