All while blaming the ant patriarchy

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I think that being a women makes it hard to understand men specific problems or problems that men have to deal with more (like higher incarceration rates, more severe judicial punishments, shorter life spans, and other mistreatment.) Like wise the true is same for men when it comes to women’s problems (birth, higher rates of rape, higher rate of sexism, etc.) That is why I follow both men’s rights and women’s rights subreddits. But just like how some man are against women being equal to them, some women do it too. And that is why I follow this subreddit (and others like it) I want to be aware of my enemies (people who don’t think the genders should be equal, including males and females.) I do not think that current feminism is bad because they are fighting for equality, and I don’t think certain men’s rights groups are bad because they are also fight for equality (from their perspective, which is important.) just like how their are radical religious groups like isis or radical political/religious/race groups like white nationalism and nazis, there are also people who claim to be feminists that fight against men to rule over them. That is not feminism and that is not what they fight for. Feminists and other men’s rights groups are allies, and to be against one ‘side’ is to be against them ‘both.’ I can not speak for all groups, but I can say that the real average true feminist fights for men’s rights as well as women. There are over 50 main group types of feminism, I can’t imagine that all of them or good or all of them are bad. Absolutes aren’t that bountiful in this world. But I do know what is bountiful, the desire for equality among all sexes. And that desire is manifested in many women’s and men’s groups. We have to look for the right ones and speak out against the enemies who fight to rule over the other sex. I’m down for that fight, I believe that you are too. Thank you for reading this far and also for your desire to help fight for those people who are being attacked, no matter the gender. It is a good fight.

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The extent of your delusions will become apparent as we sink closer and closer to this dystopian nightmare your people are creating. This sub may have fallen a bit. I believe that’s in part due to false flags (dramatic way to say people shitposting from alts) and because the average age here fell somewhere along the way. Most users here are aware that feminism is a full blown hate movement. Distancing rational people from that movement so they’ll favor actual egalitarian movements is something I’d hoped for this sub. You clinging to the promises of feminism while ignoring the reality is only hurting the fight for equality.

Also, people in this sub tend to be guilty of some of the same things as feminism. I blame the age again. They’re feeling obligated to defend fucking boomer memes instead of actually agreeing or disagreeing with all of the arguments based on merit. This is the same claim made from the 70s and it’s out of touch with how batshit insane third wave feminism is.

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Yeah, whoever calls themselves such because there’s no actual labeled group tarnishing the name. Whether they follow it is another thing. I believe in the law of large numbers, so since that shitty part of feminism is over-represented under an umbrella term covering the entirety of academia, politics, and other spheres of influence we can see those shitty aspects manifest themselves everywhere and suffice to say it’s irredeemable.

I’d say MRAs are a lot closer than feminists, but asking me for a named movement supporting equality isn’t going to get you as good of an answer as asking “what principles would you say advance equality?” Promoting individualism, personal responsibility, and charity regardless of gender would be a good start. Rejecting tribalism, misanthropy, and blaming groups based on sharing immutable traits with other assholes in the past would be a good start.

I didn’t start this sub btw. I became a mod really recently so that I could improve the quality and make sure this thing is actually moderated. I’d say it’s up to other subs that actually have the mission statement of “promoting equality” to do so. This sub is just showing the ills of this movement that’s influencing all the spheres of influence listed before in addition to creating such vitriol when it comes to gendered issues.

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A common assertion from anti-feminists is, "feminists want to kill all men and think fart rape is a thing etc etc." On the other side I see a lot of anti-feminists who are openly racist, antisemetic, or promoting incel ideology.

I hope that both of these perspectives represent the fringe. I don't see the point in constantly affirming an argument by pointing out the most outrageous thing the other side says as though it's representative of the whole.

However, the places for feminist discussion I've been in police the conversation to remove and call out fringe theories and misandry and offer real arguments for the causes they support. I'd like to have a discussion like that with anti-feminists, but most of the arguments I can see are "fuck the Jews, women's minds are broken because they choke on Chad's cock."

Do you all police that stuff? Is there a place that does? It's hard for me to take anti-feminist positions seriously when I can't seem to find someone who can discuss them as an actual philosophy, or without resorting to "fart rape* is stupid, so feminism is bad."

^*fart ^rape ^as ^a ^discussion ^point ^was ^falsely ^attributed ^to ^a ^feminist ^speaker ^by ^a ^MRA ^blog ^and ^spread ^as ^a ^hoax, ^actual ^recordings ^of ^the ^event ^prove ^this

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Title	All while blaming the ant patriarchy
Author	Redhood616
Upvotes	270
Comments	35
Date	18 January 2020 04:52 PM UTC (6 months ago)
Subreddit	antifeminists
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/710227
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/eqis9b/all_while_blaming_the_ant_patriarchy/