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do you think women were depressed in the past?

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October 7, 2019
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do you believe that the pre-modern society was patriarchal? (i saw some peaple on the commants thouth i was talking about depresion the mental disease, i meant the patriachal structure. it was a translate mistake)


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Title do you think women were depressed in the past?
Author holly_sheep
Upvotes 31
Comments 33
Date 07 October 2019 07:12 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/710390
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/deo51u/do_you_think_women_were_depressed_in_the_past/
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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well, yeah. There's actually a ton of gothic fiction centered on the female experience with depression. Like Charlotte Gilman Perkins' "The Yellow Wallpaper." It's based on an actual Victorian medical practice called 'The rest cure.' The Victorian doctors treated female depression by insisting on total rest. The women often couldn't leave a single room. They couldn't do anything to occupy their minds, even read or write.

The Yellow Wallpaper is a short story that you could read in about 15 minutes. You can find it on Project Gutenburg. If you are interested in female depression through history, I certainly recommend.

The short stories by Mary Wollstonecraft and her daughter Mary Shelley (best known for Frankenstein) also poignantly depict female depression.

Female depression in the past has been called 'melancholia' or 'hysteria.' Depression labeled hysteria was often the reason behind hysterectomies. These used to be done by psychiatric, rather than physical reasons.

[–]ILOVHENTAI1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am pretty sure in that era the only reason why men were not included was since we had more freedom in drinking

[–]holly_sheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

in "depressed" i meant that women were depressed politically, socialy and economic.

and in the past we had a lot of bad medications i geuss more for women becouse we didnt test the medications on woman becoues of the menstruation, what made it harder to test.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think everyone was depressed..

[–]holly_sheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

what do you mean by that?

[–]Diogenes--21 points22 points  (11 children) | Copy

Life is suffering. Only women can be delusional, neurotic, and narcissistic enough to think they have a monopoly on it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

I thought this sub wasn't about hating on women?

I've also never seen a woman say that men can't be depressed. All humans can be depressed.

It's tough being female and wanting to push back against modern feminism-wanting to be supportive of male issues-when every time I jump into communities pushing back against feminism-it's full of comments like this. Comments that talk about women in a disparaging nasty way.

Anti-feminism shouldn't be full of misogyny. I mean...then you're just proving the need for feminism.

Anti-feminism should be about talking about the negative aspects of the feminist movement-like the misandry that runs rampant-and the lack of attention to male issues-and the paternalistic nonsense that actually upholds the gender dichotomy. Modern feminism is full of problems. I'm a woman that believes that.

But for real, if my options are feminism or have my value as a human being shit all over, then yeah I'll choose the feminism. Obviously.

[–]FloppieOG4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can we just collectively be anti feminist but pro women?

[–]Dancersep382 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Preach! I hate modern feminism too, but it's super off putting to just be mocked by the men you're trying to unite with. Hey fellas! We agree with you! You can put the weapons down.

[–]metaltrite1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well you’ve got some actual misogynists here and there since it takes a lot to be banned in this sub or MensRights since those subs tend to be so libertine. On the other hand, something that used to be talked about more in the MRM is “the anger phase.”

When everything becomes clear that you’ve been lied to your whole life and your entire gender has 101 serious legal and societal constructs working against it, it starts. You realize the depth of the problem isn’t just that it exists. It’s a social and sometimes literal crime (RIP Europe) to talk about those problems. You’re more and more marginalized in society year by year and the exact opposite is claimed with increasing regularity and magnitude year by year. The very foundation (masculinity) of your gender expression and creed of “what it means to be a man” is taught as something intrinsically wrong. You grew up around women and girls receiving better treatment in most respects, where they continue to receive special treatment (emotionally, physically, academically, professionally, paternally, etc) throughout your life and you’re still increasingly told that you’re too privileged and deserve to suffer for your gender.

Well, this makes some people misdirect that frustration toward an entire gender rather than the people exacerbating the problem, i.e., feminists. It all goes back to tribalism, like I mentioned in an above comment. It’s generally considered something that people grow out of.

Speaking of, I’m thinking some other issues in this sub are because the average age seems to be kinda low...

[–]Dancersep381 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Both fantastic points. I went through my own anger phase after realizing actual femininity and virtue have been sold in the name of "equality." I know a lot of women who never took the red pill, or took it too late and now they're in their 40s, unmarried and childless. It still pisses me off how deeply we were lied to and now these women's lives will be forever spent mourning what could have been. Obviously they bear personal responsibility too, but it's frustrating when society just pretends we'll be young and fertile forever and we should never have to "settle" or compromise. Anyone who dares point out that most women are miserable now compared to a 1950s housewife are viciously attacked.

I guess since I've moved through these issues and have made it through anger (and started out purple pill so it was less shocking) I'm ready to start uniting. Both men and women have had their fundamental identities robbed. It has been worse for men in many ways, no question, but it's actually pretty shit for women too, the packaging is just better. We need to be sympathetic to each other. We both have our war stories and our reasons to fight. Keep in mind, some of us are moms and are terrified of what this world means for our sons. Women can be incredibly sympathetic allies if we're treated with respect.

I often forget reddit is full of children/teens/young adults. There's just a certain amount of perspective and wisdom that (should) come with age. It's nothing against our younger counterparts, just something I need to remember.

[–]metaltrite1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yup. I was thinking the same that women probably feel similarly in their realization, but they have endless support and many (not all) of their concerns are trivial or nonexistent, manufactured by feminists to meet the demand for oppression for their narrative. That, and men tend to react with anger more often in situations that women may just become depressed. I was mostly just trying to stay on topic and mention the idea in the frame of the MRM. I wrote all that at 1 am so I was mostly just struggling not to blabber on about nothing

[–]Dancersep381 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounded well thought out to me and was a really good point. I'm not great at getting to the point, but my point is that I'm appreciative for the insight. Many men are in the anger phase, and it's easy to forget that once you're mostly out of it. Also, yes, men get angry and women get sad. Being a woman, I can deal better with someone's depression better than their rage.

Definitely agree that women have more outlets. For one, society definitely handles sadness better than anger, for a variety of reasons, some of which are sexist against men, but not all. Secondly, women can get sympathy from men quite easily and are given little personal accountability by society. Also, a great strength of women is banding together to make each other feel better, but that is also an obvious weakness too as we can quickly devolve into denying reality. Men used to be able to get support from a healthy family network, but that's been completely decimated for most of them. Unlike women, there's no acceptable way for them to get attention without being scolded or name called. It's a scary future if we continue to ignore them.

[–]Diogenes--1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I thought this sub wasn't about hating on women?

Shrug, I don't routinely check this sub or anything. You probably know the atmosphere here better than I do. Being an anti-feminist, I subscribed based on the name when I found it, and occasionally read/reply when I see a post from it in my feed.

Anti-feminism shouldn't be / should be...

Anti-feminism is anti-feminism, as I see it. Different anti-feminists will have their own viewpoints, probably influenced by whatever brought them to being against feminism. Some won't be misogynist, some will be.

I was raised by feminist women who stole my childhood and ruined my life with child abuse so evil it defies description. As a result I am indeed a misogynist. Women are terrible, soulless demons who abuse children. It's only natural that their feminist movement is an evil one fueled by hatred. Women are not capable of doing any better.

If this sub was for non-misogynist-anti-feminism, it should probably be called non-misogynist-anti-feminism. But whatever, any subreddit that doesn't want to hear my viewpoint is free to mute or ban me, I don't mind. Until then I'll share my viewpoint where it's pertinent if I feel like it.

[–]holly_sheep[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i dont want to ban/mute you.

why do you think women is "delusional, neurotic, and narcissistic "?

" I was raised by feminist women who stole my childhood and ruined my life with child abuse so evil it defies description "

im sorry that happened to you, but why do you think that this applys to all/most of woman?

[–]nibba-kun-san0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So one person said one thing and now you think this sub is anti-women? Get a grip.

[–]metaltrite0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You may have a point on the way we’re coming across to lurkers, but remember that we’re not an activism sub like /r/MensRights. We don’t remove comments willy-nilly like /r/Feminism and the comments end up being mostly bitching. That’s inevitable.

What is completely preventable is your susceptibility to collectivist mindsets. Jumping straight to “I’d rather join a hate group” when someone says something negative about some demographic you belong to - any demographic - is indicative of a bigger problem. Maybe don’t let your identity revolve around your race, gender, religion, or nationality. The identity politics thrown around with the first two in intersectional feminism only made this circus we find ourselves in so much worse.

Anyway, tribalism is the root of all evil and you could both do without it.

[–]Cheekibreeki401k5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Everyone’s been depressed in the past and present, there’s just higher rates of it now

[–]SauceBoss25254 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m not even sure there’s higher rates, perhaps just better ways of recognizing it.

[–]hollowwistle240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why you booing him, he’s right.

[–]princesspuppy120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not really higher rates, just more awareness and acceptance.

[–]princesspuppy121 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think people were always depressed. Just that back than there was less awareness and I guess it's more with the events of the times that could affect like war, economic collapse, terrorism, etc.

[–]holly_sheep[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I agree with you, but i discovered yesterday that in england untill 1870 when woman got married, all of there property belongs to the husband, i have some thoreys of why this happened. But i want to here your and other peaple opinions

[–]princesspuppy120 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, that makes sense but now, the woman is more likely to get the property and kids if they divorce. At least in the USA.

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[–]princesspuppy120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What does that mean?

[–]OnlyHanzo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In the past women had a reason to be depressed. Now they are in total control, but are using depression as a trendy word to get more followers and possessions. They have everything, but still pretend to be unhappy.

[–]princesspuppy120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some probably are depressed though but most people assume that they're depressed because of the woman thinking that they're ugly when it's for other reasons. Though I do think that some people, not just women, do that.

[–]username21360 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think women are more depressed nowadays especially since feminism is pushing for women to be in positions of power but what they don’t realize is that being in positions of power puts women at a greater risk of depression according to a study done by the University of Texas(I would post the actual study but for some reason it doesn’t exist anymore so I’ll link to the article that makes reference to this) https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/3601505/women-depression-workplace-job-authority/%3famp=true

[–]originalnamecreator-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

Depression has always been and may always be. In the past depression wasn’t as talked about and wasn’t seen as a disease

[–]princesspuppy120 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

No-one really talked about depression that much back than, even women. It was stigmatized as basically an excuse for being lazy or something like that in their eyes.

[–]originalnamecreator0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That is true. I shall edit the comment

[–]princesspuppy120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok



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