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Title No debate
Author crisplama
Upvotes 455
Comments 29
Date 26 September 2019 05:10 PM UTC (10 months ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/710433
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/d9mlp9/no_debate/
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[–]ataaulrasul48 points49 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ifunny watermark

[–]YeastBeast335 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah copy pastos are so sloppy these days

[–]crisplama[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry I just saw it and knew it had to be here

[–]InformalCriticism29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is in the post modern dogma that logic is just a tool of the patriarchy.

[–]Ethan_Hood8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean there could also be the argument that you just kind of sprung it on her (at least from the iFunny screenshot) so maybe that's it. Idk. I just need more context

[–]DarkNights2924 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

In other words, “You’re correct, but I don’t have any argument to that”

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or “Wow ok I really don’t feel like debating this guy about stupid shit right now please fuck off”

[–]ashar_i221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Happy cake day bro

[–]Egalitarianwhistle4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Male privilege is a concept designed to make men more vulnerable to resource extraction.

[–]Koffi53 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Let me explain to you why people might refuse to discuss these matters. You care more about the gotcha! moment and being right, than about actually doing something about issues.

[–]Koffi54 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy

Are women privileged? Yes and no. You have numbers like exactly like these that show the disadvantages you have as a woman and advantages on the other side exactly as for men

[–]averis14 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

show the disadvantages you have as a woman

It's called an interest gap, "drive to succeed" gap and raw talent gap. Get over it.

[–]Koffi5-4 points-3 points  (10 children) | Copy

How about you are far more likely to get raped?

"Traditional women jobs" pay less than "traditional men job's". And females still have problems striving in traditional men job's. Example: As a Male mechanic or IT person you are not getting asked from customers if they could speak a female colleague, because they dont trust your advice simply because of your gender.

I could go on, but I think my point is proven for now.

Interesting that you bring up the "raw talent gap" I have never heard any numbers to it. Its almost like you want to sell your feelings as truth by putting them next to points actually proven by statistics.

Men make up over 90% of prison population. But how many more especially violent crimes do men commit in relation? Men are better at actually committing suicide, but does that mean that women have less suicidal feelings?

We only get solutions if we understand the struggles of each other and by forcefully ignoring the other side of the argument

[–]averis14 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

I have never heard any numbers to it. Its almost like you want to sell your feelings as truth by putting them next to points actually proven by statistics.

Are you seriously braindead retarded or so stubborn to the point that you're practically blind?

The interest & talent gap btw men & women in most STEM fields is wider than your mothereffing vagina, IMMENSE.

So explain to us why you enjoy such incredibly generous women-only quota / scholarship systems?

Do I need fucking statsheets to convince you water is wet?

Interesting that you bring up the "raw talent gap"

Interesting indeed! How many paradigm-shifting startups were founded by... How many tech pioneers in the last 40 yrs were... How many pieces in smartphone tech were invented by... women?

All the questions you're scared shitless to answer.

Male mechanic or IT person... because they dont trust your advice simply because of your gender

'cause the overwhelming majority of the experts are certain gender??

Even at a hobbyist level, men in general got more expertise. WAY MORE.

One tech saleswoman I spoke to didn't fucking know what a USB-type C charger was. Talk about mind-numbingly incompetent..

Holy shit! How absurdly oblivious can you be? You're a combo of peak stupidity & absence of self-awareness. How do we fix a neurotic fuck like this..??

[–]jerseypoontappa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow man i agree lets chill and be civil here otherwise were no better than they are. Lets make this discussion in a way that if someone reads this and dont have a clue what’s going, they dont just automatically disagree with you because you sound like an ass. Sorry u/Koffi5

[–]Koffi5-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Lol I thought you wanted an actual discussion. I could not have been any more wrong as it seems. In fact people are part of the reason women have it harder. I am not afraid to answer any of your stupid meaningless questions. Of course men contribute more to science as there is a gap in interest. And people like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates and countless other experts in different fields are in fact Male. And?

Let me explain it for slower people like you: Professional top female boxers cant compete with top Male boxers. Every single one of them can still beat up 98% of males on this planet. They may not be in the top 20, but they are still competing.

I noticed you got pretty worked up about being pressured on making up your own facts. Quite pathetic to say the least.

I really like your last "argument". An electrician fucked up a really simple task at my place once. I really think males are not simply fit for this job. People who dont accept this are simply blind. THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL DID A VAD JOB.

And I also love to hear that I am apparently mentally challenged for relying on facts and not feelings. My bad :)

[–]derliesl0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Sorry, I just want to watch the best boxer in the world.

Let's turn the question around. Do you think we need more men on Instagram?

[–]Koffi50 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well you didn't quite get "the question". Nothing about my argument was about putting more women in tech jobs, just more fair to women than they are now so we can enhance our society to the point of all people having the same chances of succeeding in this instance following the job path they are the most passionate about.

But let me answer your question. Of course you can watch the best boxer in the world, but you can only watch him. You actually want to hire him for your event. But the best boxer wont work for you and it is the same with the second or third best boxer. When you adjusted your expectations to a realistic level and simply put out an advert you can hire the best boxer applying to the event you are hosting. At this point you can still hire whoever you want.

I dont think we need more men on Instagram I think we need less people on Instagram in general. It's basically Hollywood on steroids. You got some famous people faking their lives to the greatest extent and other superficial people admiring them for it.

[–]derliesl1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry, I don't think you get my point. I agree with you that an unhealthy working environment should be avoided, in order to attract more talent (for example in STEM), regardless of gender. On the other hand, I think we, as women, are better off not trying to compete with professions where men clearly excel because of physical differences, like boxing. In the same sense, a man cannot be a prima ballerina and take the role of Odette in a professional ballet company.

I took the example of Instagram because women are dominant on that platform. I could have taken other professions, like veterinarians, child care providers, or educators. These industries are all dominated by women. I'm sure you can be appreciative of one of these professions. It's just as difficult (or maybe even more difficult) for a man to build a career in child care as it is for women in STEM.

[–]Koffi50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I already said this we should help each other. I think there is more work to be done on the women in manly dominated side, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't all strive for improvement.

And I will say the other argument again: This isnt about stocking up jobs with diverse people. It is about giving all of them a fair chance. Men only and Women only leagues serve their purpose

[–]jerseypoontappa0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You think males arent fit to be electricians..?

[–]Koffi50 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This was me rewording his bad faith argument that women should not work in tech because they are not found in the top 5 most well known inventors and he also had a bad personal experience with a woman in tech. Obviously this makes no sense at all, but people like him call themselves anti feminists.

It's one thing to not support the goals of the current generation of feminists, but to go all the way and be an anti feminists is a special kind of stupid.

They think sexism is dead and to prove to women that they are not being oppressed they are sexist :)

[–]jerseypoontappa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ya i dont agree women shouldnt be in tech and one experience doesnt really speak for everyone. As an “anti feminist” i just oppose the women who do not have equality in mind

[–]wholesomecringe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is just douchey and makes you look like an incel to her.

Of course we have certain privileges. To argue that we don’t is the same as feminists arguing that women don’t have any of the privileges afforded to them.

And you dont even argue right. Just because men have issues they have to put up with for society that does not invalidate the privileges we do have.

Women are more likely to be looked over, easily disrespected, assaulted etc. but that doesn’t mean that when a woman gets automatic custody in a divorce I don’t get pissed. Bad things that happen to a gender don’t invalidate the privileges they have over others.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don’t really see the issue here without context

[–]crisplama[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

She didnt even bother to debate

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s not like she made some ridiculous claim and acted like she was right and morally superior, you asked her a question and she gave an answer, then you sprung a ton of statistics on her for no reason, you essentially baited her into the situation and then act surprised and like you won an argument when she didn’t feel like dealing with you.

The way she responded made it seem like you do this kind of shit often and I can’t imagine people enjoy being around you a lot.

I realize now that you ripped this from another site, but my point stands



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