Why do women purposefully lie to men about what they are attracted to ?

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December 19, 2018

Women including your mother will tell you exactly the opposite of what they like in a man .

Your own mother will tell you that women like nice guys while they themselves fuck selfish and immoral men.

But when they are in women only groups they will start saying all the red pill truths as to what kind of men they are attracted to, how much they hate nice guys and other things like that.

So, it is not like they don't know waht they are attracted to but they purposefully lie to men which includes their sons whom they love.

This behavior of women is very complex.

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Title Why do women purposefully lie to men about what they are attracted to ?
Author johnpua2345678
Upvotes 141
Comments 111
Date 19 December 2018 11:57 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/71068
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/a7lrvr/why_do_women_purposefully_lie_to_men_about_what/
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[–]AwesomeTheKid122 points123 points  (26 children) | Copy

Not sure if it's the correct term in the context, but not saying what they mean is a type of ASD. Women don't want to be labelled as sluts. That's why you look at their actions and don't listen to their words.

They want things to "just happen". They know what society expects them to say, and that's what they do. That's why you pretend to never judge a girl who tells you how slutty she is, because she could be that slutty for you if she doesn't feel like you care, or that you will tell other people and ruin her chances of getting laid.

Read the sidebar for more. Seriously.

Also, someone is shadowbanned.

[–]omega_dawg93112 points113 points  (4 children) | Copy

"... ruin her chances of getting laid."

they NEVER worry about their dick supply. she's worried about ruining her chances of getting MARRIED!

bc reputation.

[–]Zanford1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"...ruin her chances of getting laid by the guy she really wants, in a way that maintains some ASD so he might offer commitment later "

It should go without saying.

[–]noPTSDformePlease2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy


Evolution wise, she is worried about some beta male finding out how little sex he is getting compared to the alphas and fucking murdering her in a fit of r Jealous rage.

Remember, humans are just monkeys who are really good at killing stuff.

[–]omega_dawg935 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol. you think women are worried about how little sex a man is getting?


women want and care about their looks, validation (attention), and finding some dude to pay their way thru life (marriage + cash-out when she's tired). i promise you... they don't care about any man's pussy rate that's not fucking them.

[–]ElegantCyclist34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

A lot of women want to be perceived one way, even as they desire something else.

A lot of women also want one thing in a "cold" state and another thing in an aroused state.

A lot of attraction is politically incorrect.

[–]NeuroMnemonic75 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This, very fucking true.

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Also, someone is shadowbanned.


[–]AwesomeTheKid28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

From the asktrp subreddit. Someone commented but their comments aren't being displayed. Not relevant to your situation.

[–]Aggressive_Beta2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed except for the “ruin her chances of getting laid” part. The ASD is because she’s worried about people ruining her chances of getting a provider to commit to her.

[–]SorcerousFaun1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What is shadowbanned?

[–]AwesomeTheKid2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone commented, but only they can view it.

[–]friendandadvisor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure if it's the correct term in the context, but not saying what they mean is a type of ASD. Women don't want to be labelled as sluts. That's why you look at their actions and don't listen to their words.

This is one good reason. What can a mother tell her son "Well, son, what I like is really huge dicks! I like a man that will fuck me in the ass, then roll me over and jam his dick into my mouth, and then, make me kiss another girl!" You can see their dilemmas.

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy

But why do lie to their sons ?

[–]AwesomeTheKid29 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

Because they're ashamed to admit what they're attracted to. It's still a father's job to instill masculanity into their sons. Women will only project what they think they want, and not what makes their sons happy or even succesful

[–]red_matrix5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Women’s desires are subconscious, they probably aren’t even aware of it. That’s why they all say one thing, and then do the opposite (they do this honestly too).

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I don’t think that’s the case, they know when they’re lying. I think they just know that society expects them to fit a certain mould and there’s no motivation to do otherwise... they genuinely believe in the Hollywood Hugh grant romance idea, and they want their son to follow it... but not understanding the underlying principles of what makes a girl attracted..

They also likely have a history of ‘bad boys’ and their memories fading for how they felt at the time, all they can think was that they wished they had gone for the Hollywood Hugh grant type....

They teach their sons to be like how they think the character they’ve had feels for in movies should be...

Even if their son doesn’t look like Ryan gosling

[–]red_matrix2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Hypergamy - Women have dual mating strategy that changes with ovulation. They really are telling the truth.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

And by telling the truth you mean, blatantly lying and lying conveniently in step with their underlying mating strategy...

Perhaps the first few times they believe their own bullshit... but after she’s had 20 different chads after nights out at the bar, surely she knows what she wants...

It’s why girls at bars will pinch your bicep, and of course note your height, they know what gets them wet... from their it’s time to fuck.

[–]xddm26533 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You must not understand women if you think they are logical creatures

[–]red_matrix2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re assuming they “know” what they want. They don’t. Women feel. They can’t articulate, to them it feels nice to tell a nice guy women want nice guys, get it?

[–]GeuseyBetel43 points44 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's totally subconscious: women don't understand what they're attracted to.

Their hamster tries to rationalize it, that's where we get "where are all the nice guys?" This is RP 101.

As for why they drop RPs in groups of women, it's probably because they feel comfortable, and can explore their psyche without the pressure of society.

[–]lord-denning19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correct. They are not just lying to you, they are lying to themselves.

They are so good at “gaslighting” because they do it to themselves all the time.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I actually think that they do know to some degree of consciousness... it’s far too much of a cop out to say ‘it’s not their fault cause they have no control’. They know more than anyone, and really it’s just one more victory to the female species to think otherwise.... to remove accountability

[–]LightCrazy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I had conversations with a few girls about this kind of stuff and they all knew. They didn't really.try to deny it in private.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, when you get a girl comfortable and talking, she knows it all... but she’s not going to go broadcasting it, especially to the type of guy that might have a problem with knowing the truth.

Girls at their essence are natural red pill to the bone. They play the mating game like robot assassins, naturally exploiting any type of social weakness available

[–]rewardshock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

nailed it. women generally live on a deeper subconscious level.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are more vindictive and vicious than men are. So, I don’t think this explains it.

[–]tacospitter46 points47 points  (9 children) | Copy

Women are generally attracted to men that make them feel okay with who they are (equally true for men),

If a woman had a successful childhood with balanced parenting, she is likely to be attracted to a balanced mate in adulthood.

If a woman was neglected emotionally or physically by her father, she will typically seek out men that treat her similarly, because she attributes value to this behavior.

This is true for men as well, but usually more accurate for women because they tend to embrace their emotions more regularly.

Strong insecurity is generally indicative of issues with self-worth, which is often tied to childhood trauma. Insecurity in young women manifests often with a need to be the most attractive person in the room. If you are only talking to the most attractive women you see, you are very likely to continually meet women who are not well adjusted, and form jaded opinions about women in general.

When you meet a hot girl, ask yourself: why is she hot? Being an attractive woman requires a great deal of work. Is it coming from a place of negativity or positivism? Is she putting forth this effort simply because she needs male validation to feel okay? If you’re just trying to get laid it doesn’t matter, but if you want LTR material, keep looking for a hot girl who comes from a positive background.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is eloquent but Ive seen plenty of girls that come from well adjusted homes be sluts or risky with their actions...I think youre on to something but it doesnt paint the whole picture IMO...theres another step where the individual girl may just process her reality differently or something.

[–]tacospitter7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

there will definitely be statistic outliers, exceptions, etc. no argument here! its difficult to quantify nature vs. nurture, so I usually just call it 50/50 (excluding extreme circumstances). so there can always be a woman from a normal home who acts negatively, or a woman from a rough upbringing who really has her shit together. but i would encourage people on average to put forth more LTR effort toward women from more stable environments.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahaha y’all can have the stable environment type... all the more dirty sluts for me.

[–]turtlings11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

I always thought this, but never had it in words if you know what I mean.

Surprisingly true, you studied psych or some shit?

[–]tacospitter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

haha no psych, but many people have told me I'm just good at reading women, social interaction etc. I'm happy what I said resonated with you!

[–]Dickwad2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No it's not always because of abuse or neglect.

Loving parents think they're doing their kids a favour by pumping their kids egos up with compliments, usually about looks in the case of girls but it can be anything. This is most people's idea of being positive.

What young impressionable kids actually hear is that being loveable is conditional on the thing they're praised for.

Other stupid people think the answer is to praise intelligence or toughness instead but that just transfers the same fragile ego and consequent validation seeking to another area.

The solution, incidentally, is to let kids know that they're loved unconditionally.

But if you really think you're going to find any appreciable number of attractive girls who DON'T have this issue you've got another thing coming.

[–]tacospitter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

to be fair I said 'successful and balanced' parenting. you can certainly mess up giving a child too much attention, unnecessary love, spoiling a child etc. i agree that just because parenting looks positive on the surface, it's not always positive for the long-term development of a child.

i also agree the majority of attractive people (this includes men) are not necessarily well-adjusted. it takes a lot of effort to look attractive for most people, and the motivation can often come from a negative place. i just think that it's worth considering these types of things when going after a woman for a LTR, and this is probably MORE important to consider when choosing an exceptionally attractive woman.

[–]mismm 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

What a load of bs. Women are all attracted to the same thing, some just hide it better.

[–]tacospitter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would agree that women are all attracted to MASCULINITY. However, how a woman interprets what masculinity is can vary wildly.

[–]Gravel_Roads65 points66 points  (4 children) | Copy

Assuming women always know what they're doing, are in control of themselves at all times or are doing everything deliberately and on purpose is still pedestalization . Stop assuming women are in control of things. They're mostly just flailing around and trying to figure out how they feel and what they want as they go.

[–]juggernaut817 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy


[–]Gravel_Roads10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Apparently my autocorrect just flat out doesn’t believe that’s a word

[–]tallwheel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. I also took issue with OP's use of the word "purposefully". Women seldom have any idea why they do anything.

[–]Gravel_Roads0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

most people don't, tbh. Ask any guy who wants a girl who puts out on the first date, but SHE BETTER NOT BE A SLUT

[–]TFWnoLTR14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

They think they're doing their sons a favor by teaching them not to be Chads. Chad gets the most manipulative and selfish of women, in her eyes. Why didn't Chad choose a good girl like me? He always goes for bitches and sluts! I dont want my son to have to deal with those kinds of women. He needs a nice girl. A girl like me. For that he needs to be a provider and a romantic.

It's pretty simple.

[–]AlfredKinsey2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

way to work in the female narcissism/ASD angle, even into motherhood

[–]Classy_Amir0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is The Manipulated Man in a nutshell!

[–]Puddles50322 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

They like more alpha masculine men around ovulation and more beta men the rest of the time. Hypothetically because the men that look good genetically to women for breeding arn't always the best long term choice for stability of caring for offspring. So....both options are true and it's their evolutionary imperative to both choose the good genetic material but also get the kid raised.

[–]2ndLion30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy

My mom never told me girls liked nice guys. She told me they licked mysterious strong men. You can't put all girls into the same box.

Women - like men are different, some will say the truth some will lie. What anyone can't deny is that women like masculine men. They might be together with a beta bux, but they will always laugh and smile for an Alpha.

I have to add: It's society that makes women say that shit, they don't know that it's not the truth.

[–]when_in_rhone36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

Perfect typo.

[–]2ndLion14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao. Ima just leave it like that.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think They expect the man to just know what to do.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K1812 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Plausible deniability.

A few things. Women don't want to be seen as subservient. They want their cake at the eat it, too. They want to tell the world of men to be nice and sensitive, as it helps to stop a part of patriarchal society. They tell enough men to stop being men, they believe it will lower competition, in this game of life...whilst still fucking the men who stay men.

Many are also wounded, and have been hurt by strong alpha types, so instead of saying 'oh, be like those men who I couldn't land and fucked me over'...it's their wounded side saying 'oh, just be nice...and you won't be like those horrible men'.

The don't want to admit, strong alpha types are the shit. They can't control them, so let's try to stop others being like it.

IF they didn't promote beta types...then no man would believe in being beta...and women wouldn't get their providers. That's the main reason to me. Falsely promoting beta as what they want, in order to assure some men mould themselves to be the beta providers so many women need.

[–]airmcnair064 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

While I generally agree with you, I don't think it's conscious for them. I don't think they're working through it in their minds in the way you just did or the men in this thread are.

All of it is happening on a subconscious level, that's why she doesn't feel like she's lying. Because her conscious actually believes that she wants a nice guy. But that's only because her subconscious is now telling her she's not good enough to get Chad anymore.

So she's not even consciously aware of the cognitive dissonance

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I agree with you. It's not so conscious, or logical for them. Women are emotional, and I think even they get confused when their hamster says one thing, but there emotions say another. I actually think that happens a lot with our society. We try to sort of consciously work against basic human biology, nature and desire.

We tell ourselves we're more evolved...that we've seen patriarchy, misogyny...and we've used logic to overcome it. So we, and especially women, believe in the nice guy stuff. However, you can't fuck with the subconscious, and nature.

I guess that's why a lot of women always say 'I don't know why I'm always attracted to the wrong men'.

Though, a lot of women I've spoken to have said it. 'I just want a strong man. A confident man. I want him to tell me what he wants'.

Guess that's why just pay attention to behaviour, and not words.

It's where I use AWALT. Not to say they're all cheating bitches...but more to say that this is there inherent nature - they want men who are men.

[–]CainPrice15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

Women do not "purposefully lie" to men about what they are attracted to. You're just weird or autistic or something.

Everybody in the universe knows that women want to have sex with men that they are physically attracted to and do not want to have sex with men that they are not physically attracted to.

Therefore, when a woman tells you "I prefer nice guys over assholes", what she is telling you is, "Among the group of men that I am physically attracted to and only among that group of men, I prefer the ones that are nice over the ones that are assholes."

With regard to the ones she isn't physically attracted to, she doesn't give a shit if they're nice or not and when they act nice to her and are surprised she doesn't want to have sex with them, it's offensive that they don't know better.

Nobody is lying to you. People are just assuming you're smarter than you are by assuming that you already know that people like to have sex with people that aren't ugly.

Women don't dislike "nice" men. They dislike unattractive men who are nice to them. They would rather have sex with an attractive guy who is not nice than an unattractive guy who is nice. But everybody knows this. Nobody lied to you.

When somebody tells you "Women like nice men", it's your own brain that's interpreting this as "women only like nice men and don't care about any other characteristic and therefore looks don't matter and attractive behaviors don't matter and it's all about being nice". Nobody said that. Nobody lied to you.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

YES!!!! This is on point. It's the black and white thinking of a nice guy. 'Nice' means anyone nice, who may even go against the masculine...and everyone else is an asshole.

Women do want strong men, who they are sexually attracted to. They would just prefer it if he's not a sociopathic asshole.

Nice guys interpret it as 'oh, I don't have to be a 'real man'. I can just work on being really really nice'. It's the ego's way of saying ' I don't have to face and work on all the other ways I feel less than'.

Because men want women...they have attributed these assumptions to them.

A lot of women have had experiences with strong, dominant men who are assholes. Women realising a bit of niceness would be good, NEVER said they wanted to get rid of the strong, dominance.

The real lie, came from BP ideology...which said 'masculine = assholes. Women don't want an asshole, therefore don't be masculine'

Women have never lied about wanting masculine...unless they they are the third wave crazy feminists...who tear down everything masculine, but still fuck strong men, anyway lol

[–]splunx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL the TRP wouldnt exist if "Everyone knew this." None of the pills would exist.

[–]TopOccasion291 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Precisely this!!!

You hit the nail on the head. While some don't say the full truth due to virtue signaling and social pressure, most do tell you exactly what they want. When she says she wants a caring, kind, generous and passionate man...she means she wants all those qualities in a dominant and physically attractive man. Would women turn down Chris Hemsworth and Jason Momoa if they were nice to them?...NO. They only turn down nice men who happen to be unattractive.

[–]ttann7111 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because it truthfully all comes down to behavior with women. Truth in their actions, they will spit out false truths (that fit their narrative, and whole heartedly believe) like it’s nothing. Always actions before whatever the hell they say.

[–]Zanford4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many reasons

  1. They crave the best genes. If they admit they like muscles so you work out more....that's not really what they crave; they crave the idea of 'naturally looks like He-Man genetics' (even though you and I know that physique is 90% effort 10% genes)

  2. They want you to work harder, buy them shit etc. If they say 'they just like height' that doesn't incentive the guy to work harder, as he can't really change his height. So they might 'hint' how amazing Hawaii would be in the hope he will buy them a 'surprise' trip that he pays for

  3. ASD. Girls think (and it's probably true) that admitting to liking certain things, like physique, is 'sluttier' than liking "a great personality" (whatever the hell that is). So they lie to themselves, to each other, and to you.

  4. They have an incentive to pretend like they are attracted to certain mysterious, unique, personality compatibility to make the relationship feel Special .Also if they just admit they'll go for whomever the hottest guy is, they sound like more of a cheating risk

  5. AF/BB. They want some things for seed, and other things for provisioning. Admitting the dual nature of their attraction would be to admit they are a cheating and cuckolding risk. They want to convince their BB that he is also their AF

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The two most common situations:

  1. They don't know what they want.
  2. They have to appear to want what they've been told they're supposed to want (eg: nice guys).

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because it never occurs to them to tell the truth.

For men, language is a tool for conveying information... and sometimes they decide to convey false information.

For women, language is for influencing what others believe... and sometimes the desired belief happens to align with the truth.

[–]El_Serpiente_Roja2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most women dont even really know themselves and will say what they wish they liked

[–]Datanami2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because they also want nice guys! For comfort, validation, money etc. They're not lying. They do need beta men, almost as much (if not more) than they need alpha men. In the end, a beta male is necessary for a women in her life. An alpha male is here for pleasure and instant gratification.

Keep in mind that I talk about archetypal alpha and beta here. Every man displays some traits of each depending on his own mental state and the relationship he's engaged in.

[–]Caper672 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo Tomosi touches on this in the Rational Male. He says women want a man who "gets it."

So if she has to tell him what would make her feel attracted then that means he doesent get it because he needed to be told. But it's more subconscious and covert than that.

A lot like divorced husbands who say if she'd just tell me what to do to make her love me again then I'd do it. Not knowing that the verbalization of that statement and the belief in open overt communication is what killed their woman's attraction to them in the first place.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls are retarded. It’s just that simple.

[–]dulkemaru512 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not purposeful, it's a subconscious shit-test.

Women's only goal is to get male investment. That is it.

Women are always trying to get investment from men, always.

The more alpha a man is, the harder his investment is to get, and the more women will want it (+ the hornier he makes them).

The more alpha a man is, the better his provider potential is, the more effective a killer and provider he could potentially be. Ergo, the more his commitment is desired by women. And again, the more they want to fuck him as well, because the more alpha he is, the better provider potential he has, thus, the better provider potential her sons would have, by virtue of his genes.

Women want male investment / commitment / provisioning. That. Is. It.

That is what a shit-test is for; to break his alpha frame, in order to get from him that which she wants -- which is male investment. Sure, shit-tests are also utilized to test frame, but it's the other side of the coin.

"I bet you have a small dick." and "Don't go to the gym, spend time with me." are sides of the same coin. They are meant to obstruct your path. One is used to see if you'll stay on your path, but so is the other. BOTH are used to break your frame, because: WOMEN WANT MALE INVESTMENT, and their manner of acquiring it is by breaking your frame and getting you to enter their frame.

Women do want all those things that mothers tell their sons that they want. They want male investment. The reason that mothers aren't telling their sons that they ought to remember that if they indeed do those things for a woman (without her working for them), they will die virgins, is that mothers don't know shit about their own natural inclinations, because they're women.

Again, women want male investment and they go about it by attacking a man's frame. The harder it's to break, the more they want his investment, and the more they want his investment, the more they want to fuck him, because her desire for his investment indicates his provider potential, which in turn indicates superior genetics. It's not that women don't want the fuckboi's commitment, they want it more than anything in the world, but even if they got it, they don't trust it, so they take the safe BB instead. 50 shades is the ultimate fantasy for a woman; the alphaest / most attractive man in the world, i.e. the man with the most provider potential in the world, who's commitment she eventually got, all to herself. It's not like the HB5.5 heroine in 50 shades would've preferred her faggot bestie for marriage over Mr. Grey, after having fucked Mr. Grey.

[–]CanYouEvenCount1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Because they’ve watched movies, society has told them this is the type of guy you should find attractive (the nice guy) but they just can’t rid the natural attraction they have for the bad boy who doesn’t treat them the way the nice guy in movies does. In turn she gets but hurt and wants to mould her little prince into the nice guy from the movies

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Go read the post carefully.

When they are women only groups they will tell all the red pill truths about how much they love assholes and hate nice guys.

[–]m0xyZep1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

is it "lying" or selective truth-telling? u r ovee thinking. u dont need to understand how women think in order to get what you want. its just how they are.

[–]chomponthebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Watch what bitches do, not what they say!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, it is not complex at all. It may seem complex to betas who think every woman is an "individual" and you can not predict/generalize their behaviour. But women are as simple as men, just that they operate differently from men. For instance, women do not want to be perceived as shallow so they claim they like nice guys in public yet bang jerks in their bedrooms.

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

But why do they tell lie to their sons whom they love.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many reasons, mentioned in this thread. Like for instance mothers used to ride CC and then settled for beta bucks so they teach their sons to be BB because it helps female imperative.

[–]King-Manlet1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Imagine if a girl said to you she’s attracted to 6ft intelligent rich white hulks. Few people meet that harsh criteria but women can afford to be picky. You’d start jumping to conclusions about what she’s like and just think she’s shallow person. We light to pretend that women are with us because of our great personality and humour. Chads especially love to pretend that.

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Looks do not matter much. I saw more ugly guys with hot women than I see hot women with chads.

[–]King-Manlet0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Why make a post about what women are attracted to then? You don’t think women are attracted to balding Indian 40 year old janitors, do you?

[–]AlfredKinsey0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

cel cultures leaking into the petri dish, hm

[–]King-Manlet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Point is still valid.

[–]AlfredKinsey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

male ego shit

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because a lot of them are silly and feebleminded enough not to ever actually analyze all this shit. Attention, sex and resources just fall on them so there is never any need for reflective self analysis like we men have to do.

Many preety men also have no clue wtf they want because they are either stupid or just to lazy to think too much about it.

[–]furcryingoutloud1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you've just hit on what the real debate should be about. And I am going to make an attempt to define it in this comment, though don't think by any means that it will be a perfect comment.

I think this all began with religion. Basically, the rules of every religion have managed to create a world of hypocritical behaviors. If you think about it, it is impossible to comply with all the demands that religion has placed on humanity. No sex before marriage, no masturbation, no peeking. It just goes on and on. So what did people do? They lied. Only the very few were/are able to stick to the program. And those very few are all very, very boring.

A lot of people don't see it, but the remnants of religious behavior is still very embedded in our society. Long story short. Humans lie. Women will hide their secretes better than men because they have, historically, more to lose than men do. And even today, where it matters less, well, old habits die hard.

The underlying problem increases exponentially when women are raising males and failing to teach them about this little left over quirk from long ago. The result is you OP, and at some point wondering why the fuck you weren't told the truth while growing up and have to find it yourself on an internet forum for men. But if you grew up without proper fatherhood, well, you can see where I'm going with this. Men brought up by single mothers are missing half the equation.

Enter the Red Pill.

From my point of view, the Red Pill is much, much more than a road map for how to get laid. It is the missing chapters for the men who have been brought up by a single mother or whose father is so blue he looks like a martian from the old comics. The Red Pill, at the very least will show men what the rules are. The real rules, not the ones that society has been drumming into our heads for centuries. And people wonder why the sub is attacked.

[–]RedHoodhandles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't ask fish how to fish.

[–]icecruzader2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some don't know what they really want. Others lie out if being nice and others because they think it's what the man wants to hear, because who they like says something about them. Other lie because the fuck is this cuck asking, he should know.

[–]FlyingSexistPig1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's actually very very simple.

For women, the only real currency is information. So giving you information that is the truth is like you giving money away for nothing. This is why the stoic man, the man who doesn't talk about himself much, is so fascinating to a woman. She really wants to know his story.

All the things they do to get attention are deliberately designed to show only their best features, and hide anything they don't like about themselves. Big boobs? Push up bra and cleavage for all the world to see. Small boobs, but she has an ass? Pictures are all from behind. Pretty face? Pictures focus on her face, and her makeup is always perfect.

It's all about controlling information.

[–]MagnumBurrito0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Society has made it not okay for womens true desires to be spoken. It's okay. Use this to your advantage. 99% of guys won't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's just canned media propaganda they parrot out automatically. They cant help it.

People of all kinds do this on all your hot button topics.

See religion See politics See parenting See healthy living

[–]SpecialistParticular0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Life is a game.

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

A combination of a couple things imo and it’s kind of already been said in other comments. Women are highly influenced by the media they consume so they watch these dumb rom coms and reality tv shows that suggest that good looking men who go all out for “the one” is what all men should ultimately aspire to be. Also because the percentage of men that are incredibly physically attractive to them (tall, muscular, handsome, big dick, etc.) is so low, expressing that those are the men they truly want to fuck will get them judged by both the overwhelming majority of men as well as by many other women who have no chances of experiencing a man of that level. In short, it really comes down to just how much more their public “face” is influenced by the sociocultural factors that surround them rather than their primal wants and needs. There is a reason that for our entire genetic existence, women have filled the role of follower rather than leader. But don’t get caught saying that or you’ll be crucified by the overarching liberalism we’ve somehow come to accept as the right path for our society.

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Most women don't want to fuck handsome men though as handsome men make them feel insecure.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2225 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re very confused and need to spend more time reading the sidebar until you’ve grasped the basic concepts. If you come here to ask a question that’s fine, but saying shit like this just shows you haven’t been around here for very long.

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Only when the man is significantly above their value and have several options noticeably better than themselves. But regardless of that, you are putting the carriage before the horse. Women do want to fuck handsome men, their insecurity is a caveat to that innate want.

[–]nantucketghost0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not a lie on purpose. They may know they need X, but given the chance they will pounce on Y (aka chad).

Think of it like this and a guy's point of view: You need a reasonable sensible car to get to work. Any sensible car will really do. But when you go to pick up the car and the dealer says that instead of sensible you can have this OTHER hotrod of a car that's ten times better for the same price. Will you take it?

Yet the sensible car will do right?

Women will look at men the same way. They know what they need, but given the chance, they will go after the want if everything else is equal. Meaning there is no downside for them.

If there is a downside - family shame, loss of security, income, etc. Then the need over weighs the want.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

White males have been under pressure wrt honesty of opinion for only a few generations and look at the % of them that are soy boys.

A few thousand years of similar pressure has happened to women. That's not going to disappear anytime soon.

You might as well ask why Swedish men stay within the opinion corridor instead of saying it as they see it.

[–]580210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Society needs providers

[–]DadOnDabs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's as if all this behavior they want you to exhibit will somehow benefit them. Strange

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Because you're asking two different questions. You're asking women what they find attractive in a man. With this question you'll get the provider response.

You need to ask what turns a woman on and you'll get the alpha male.

What you need to be is man in every aspect: in shape, decisive, bold, funny, strong, me first attitude and then at the same time you have to be caring, kind, considerate, affectionate, and a provider.

It's not hard to do both. Knowing what to be and when to be what is gained through experience.

[–]youareshandy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is indeed hard to do both. But yes, it is learned through time and experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why do men lie when women ask them if they look fat in any given pair of pants?

Self preservation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not just women. You could ask the same question about "Why do people lie about what they want to do with their life?"

The answer is what people say and do are often completely different. This is because people often don't know what they want. In a life so full of distractions, a clear sense of identity or direction is hard to maintain.

[–]account_for_rel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are attracted to the journey to destiny, but they feel the destiny is what they want. So they are not willfully lying.

e.g. They like to figure out a mysterious man piece by piece, and hate that he doesnt reveal himself. They feel they like the destiny of a man who 'communicates and tells them everything'. But in reality, if you do that, they ll lose interest in you. You have to realize they like the journey, the experience of the journey,... not the destiny.

[–]Drakane10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

STOP. they do like nice men he is nice because he is handsome confidence dresses well and socially comfortable. just like when you say you want a nice girl it includes her being attractive and not being a cunt

[–]Classic_Touch 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Can only speak for myself. However, sick of a*sshole men. So much I could careless if I ever get with another man in my life time.

[–]okuli7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

And you came here to tell us how much you don't care about it.

[–]johnpua2345678 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Is English your first language . What do you mean ? Are you a woman ?

[–]I_Dont_Type0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She's saying that she's sick of asshole men and she hates them so much she doesn't care about getting men again in her life.

[–]dulkemaru511 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How many asshole men did it take for you to fuck and how many good men did it take for you to reject, until you realized that you hate asshole men and love good men?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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