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What I really like about this subreddit is that for the very large majority of us, we all are what the feminists think they are

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WorriedOrchid
September 6, 2019
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And I know this could get a lot of backlash for calling us feminists and I want to say I’m not doing that. In today’s society, feminism has gone absolutely out of hand and off course from its original intent and definition. So no, we are not feminists.

However, if we were to go by the original goal, intent, and definition of what feminism was supposed to be, then we are doing feminism right.

We are standing up for the rights and equalities for men and women, and making sure that one is not better than the other, but that we are treated equally and fairly no matter our gender.

Today’s feminists have gotten really blinded and radicalized and they are not true feminists, but they’ve claimed and stolen the word and name for themselves.

But they’re not real feminists because they’re not fighting for the equality of all.


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Title What I really like about this subreddit is that for the very large majority of us, we all are what the feminists think they are
Author WorriedOrchid
Upvotes 138
Comments 21
Date 06 September 2019 12:09 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit antifeminists
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/711431
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/d090ca/what_i_really_like_about_this_subreddit_is_that/
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[–]JZSquared28 points29 points  (8 children) | Copy

Feminism was never about equality. Even during the time of the suffragettes, they wanted the right to vote without the responsibility of the draft or being part of the bucket brigade. Also, there's the whole white feather fiasco from the first World War I believe. Let's also not forget that the suffragettes were fighting for white, affluent women's right to vote. If you were poor or had a different skin color, they couldn't care less about you.

[–]WorriedOrchid[S] 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

Oh I know, but they promised and told people in the very beginning that their beliefs were for equality for all and it’s on that basis in which I speak on.

I don’t speak on behalf of the actions in which we see those beliefs being proven wrong

[–]JZSquared4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Maybe I'm missing something here, but personally, I wouldn't want to be associated with the idea of people preaching one thing and practicing another. Best to steer clear of such comparisons completely.

[–]WorriedOrchid[S] 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

What I’m saying is that while feminists think they’re preaching equality, they’re not, and meanwhile what many of us here on this subreddit are doing is advocating for the original intent aka equality.

It’s not drawing comparisons or associating with feminism. It’s showing the juxtaposition or irony of the situation of it all

[–]JZSquared6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fair enough, like I said, I could have missed something or wasn't understanding you completely. So thanks for the clarification.

[–]WorriedOrchid[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

No problem!

[–]whyserenity2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No actual feminist every thought they were preaching equality. They want men to think that, but every single one of them knew they were preaching female superiority and communism from the very beginning. They never wanted the responsibilities men have, only the easy "rights."

[–]LateralThinker132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't use the term "Female Superiority" when talking about Feminism, I use the term "Female Supremacism" instead. This is because most Feminists are acting out of a position of jealousy and inferiority with regards to men and "the patriarchy", aka competence. They want what men achieve without having to do the work. They don't think they're superior to men - they know, deep down, that they're inferior. (They as in Feminists. Not saying all women are inferior to all men. Duh.)

So don't reward them with a false term. Feminists aren't superior in any way, and often are inferior (in compassion and intellect, anyways); call them what they are, Female Supremacists. Because they want women to reign supreme, to be empowered without limit or encumbrance of responsibility.

Edited for clarity.

[–]LateralThinker131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you were poor or had a different skin color, they couldn't care less about you.

Which hasn't changed. What HAS changed is intersectionality has stomped all over rich white women's Feminism.

[–]bryn_autumn20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, we are all just fighting for equality! Which is what feminism was supposed be (until it wasn’t)

[–]Greeneyeball676 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like to think of us as egalitarians.

[–]Bryston32q2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm right with you on that.

[–]Smooth_Imagination3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The best way to achieve equality is to worship reason instead.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You called us feminists. BAN him/her/it.

Oh, wait - that's not how this sub operates. People are free to hash contrary opinions.

My bad.

[–]WorriedOrchid[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know you’re making the valid and significant point about how this sub allows people to make contradicting opinions, but I do want to say I’m not calling us feminists but pointing out the irony of how we’re actually doing what feminism should be doing.

[–]NevilleToast0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I live in a country where women and men have the same rights, and still there's femenists. So if the femenists in my country can't fight for womens right because they already have their rights, what do they do? They instead fight for women's power. They're trying to get women to have more power than men, and that's why I hate femenists so much

[–]Ferretninja0070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What smart?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Even the root ideology at its purest is sexist. It is good to care about equal rights for all, whether particular issues of focus concern men or women or both. The feminist angle is only one perspective out of many that make up the whole picture. People need to learn to see through lenses but not dwell on them.

[–]WorriedOrchid[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I don’t think the root ideology is sexist, seeing as it was to advocate for equal rights for all.

It is true that in many cultures and societies — western and eastern societies alike — men and women are treated differently, whether in some a man is treated better or a woman is treated better. So the original philosophy was so ensure that everyone is treated fairly and justly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It really depends on the definition we’re going on, but at its root, feminism is about viewing women as disadvantaged and advocating for removing that disadvantage. The result can be equality or swinging the pendulum so men have the disadvantage. Already having the perspective that women are disadvantaged in society causes serious confirmation bias—people find supporting evidence for their initial bias that women must be disadvantaged. Sometimes this may be true but sometimes there is much more to the whole picture that is being missed. This is what I mean when I say that feminism is sexist at the root, because it presumes that women have some systematic disadvantage in society, when the reality is that there are disadvantages in different ways for both genders.

[–]LateralThinker130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So the original philosophy was so ensure that everyone is treated fairly and justly.

But it has always been falsely grounded because it has ALWAYS only looked upwards. For every one man at the top (over women), there are several men at the bottom serving them.

"But 95% of Fortune 500 CEOs are men!"

95% of sewer workers are men, too. You can't force equality of outcome on one without doing the same to the other. And when you make this the option, they STFU really, really fast, because their gender studies degree isn't good for much EXCEPT sewer worker (because shit is all they speak anyways).



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