Red Pill has made me mad for success

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I don't know about you guys, but since when I found the Red Pill last year I progressively started enjoying life less.

It's about viewing the world with RP lens. It's not only about women. Women are just a small portion of the whole in my opinion.

It seems like I reached a sort of nihilism. I'm improving myself, but realising that 90% of the things in life are just illusions created my human beings, makes me feel weird.

I got obsessed with the self-improvement thing that I don't even give myself rest. I always feel like rest is just weakness and an inner desire to escape from reality. Because that's what the RP teaches you to do: not to escape from reality.

Thus, I'm realising the reality is harsh. Now that Christmas is coming, I could tell that even more. Everyone so excited for this custom/event, while I'm here telling myself "Christmas is a day just like any other day. People are just used to consider it a particular day, but in reality, it's all human's invention. All this is just an illusion to make people feel good for one day".

Mr obvious right? Santa Clause does not exist, nor does "Christmas" or "Easter" or anything else. Sounds trivial, but seems like people like to believe in anything that makes them escape from reality.

Now some people might tell me "Just chill man.", point is, TRP and philosophy (stoicism and nietzsche in particular) has transformed me like this.

It's great seeing anything in life for what it really is, but it has its side-effects.

I stopped watching movies, playing videogames, basically anything that 95% of the population does.

I consider these activities just a form of escapism, and I don't really see the point of doing any of these, because I know I'll feel just worse right after when I received my cheap dopamine, and realising I haven't moved an inch towards success.

In a few words, I can't enjoy the small things in life anymore. Everything for me has become an obsession for success. If I had to watch a movie right now, instead of enjoying it, I would analyse the psychology moving between the characters, even if it's scripted. If there's a scene with a rich guy fucking women, it would just bring in me the desire to be like that guy. That's actually a great thing, this drives me to improve myself.

But the point of all this, is that I can't seem to switch to escapism even as a form of rest. It just makes me feel like shit afterwards.

Has anything of this happened to you or did I just go mad?


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Title Red Pill has made me mad for success
Author lifeisweirdasfuck
Upvotes 199
Comments 56
Date 21 December 2018 04:12 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]1InformalCriticism94 points95 points  (10 children) | Copy

You said it well when you described it as a "lens".

The red lens removes everything that hides the true nature behind human behavior/female nature, but it can certainly trip you into that perspective on a whole host of things.

For me, it completely destroyed my preconceptions, prejudices, and comfort with spoken conversations. I was already adept at written language, but viewing conversations as completely and entirely motivated by desire was a stark paradigm shift for me. It made me appreciate exactly how rare it was to see someone who speaks because they're being respectful and polite - and they think it's important - versus most people who speak because they want something from you, or a situation, or they're simply group signalling.

It actually strained my LTR quite a lot, because I was able to tell when she was trying to manipulate me. It took a while to adjust to which types of manipulation were good, and which were not, but I was fairly hostile to both before I could parse the two.

If you're experiencing anhedonia, you might want to devote some more time to understanding how you now view the world; if the shift was too dramatic, then it could be a net loss for your mental health. You need to understand what you enjoy, because even though you know your past hobbies were wastes of time, you need something productive that you enjoy. Building something functional or useful, creating art, play and instrument, hunting, fishing, cooking complex dishes, anything that rewards your effort that you can enjoy and see a finished product. Video games, obviously, not so much. It sounds like you're a reader, which is great, but it's much less obvious whether the result of reading will be rewarding, because you don't always know what you're going to get from a book.

The real danger here is that if you stay in a state of discomfort and unsatisfactory lifestyle that you might ultimately reject the red pill. It happens. There are plenty of people who would tell you that you can't "unsee" this reality, but believe me men are adaptable. It doesn't take much to slip back into your old habits.

I won't ramble, but that seems to cover what you described.

[–]pwnerofnoob11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

^ Wisdom right here

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

I found TRP exactly 1 year ago and I believe I got throught the Anger Phase already. Or sort of.

I had a long hard time accepting hypergamy and "look at what they do, not what they say". This clearly shifted the perspective. I internalised the AWALT idea and the fact that my mom is as hypergamous as any other woman out there was hard to accept. Beware, I'm still 18. My dad is extremely beta (and so was I) so finding TRP was even more astoundishing. But I knew there was something wrong/fake in the air, and TRP confirmed what I had doubts about.

If you're experiencing anhedonia

I don't really think it's anhedonia. But I know I suffer from the impostor-syndrome and perfectionism.

That surely impacts my mental health. I'm never happy nor satisfied. Even if I achieve something that some people would never think of achieving.

I have an enormous drive to do stuff that will bring me to success. Kinda the Ubermensch mode.

But as I'm a perfectionist, I'm frustrated 24/7. It's a vicious cycle. I want something, so I work for it. I achieve it, but it's not enough. This is clearly not healthy for my mind's health.

I've always been a nerd and never ever received female validation in my life. That's what has been driving me in the past years to improve myself. In a few words, my only drive is to get "recognized" by females, for how pathetic that may sound, I believe it's really common. Guys who say "I lift for myself and only for myself" just don't want to admit that they do it even for women (subconsciously). We strive and fight to climb the social hierachy, thus getting more women (as women are hypergamous, we will reproduce with more women by being high status).

The real danger here is that if you stay in a state of discomfort and unsatisfactory lifestyle that you might ultimately reject the red pill. It happens. There are plenty of people who would tell you that you can't "unsee" this reality, but believe me men are adaptable. It doesn't take much to slip back into your old habits

This can definitely happen. Never happened to me so far, and I hope it will not happen. I definitely prefer the path of war/discipline which leads to the top instead of the easy path (which is head downward).

Been on the easy path for years and honestly I prefer dying instead of getting back there.

[–]1InformalCriticism6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you see the negative in things, stop and consider all perspectives. You say men don't lift for themselves. The important thing is that you lift, and much less the reason. Reasons can make the lifts harder or easier. If you lift for yourself but you have depression, it will be agony. If you lift because you want to do better in sports, it becomes far less of a chore.

I don't really see any other advice to offer at this point. At 18 you can only do so much, but you can learn a lot just by hanging around guys your age to absorb the masculine energy and competitive attitudes. You can learn all sorts of things from books, but you can hardly learn anything about yourself without social interactions and close friendships.

[–]LSDparade1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But as I'm a perfectionist, I'm frustrated 24/7. It's a vicious cycle. I want something, so I work for it. I achieve it, but it's not enough. This is clearly not healthy for my mind's health.

Hey I'm quite late, but this is something I suffer from also, though I've been able to recently solve it through extra perspective.

Rightly so; nothing is ever 100% perfect. But you can keep achieving 99.99%+ and so on. Going into more and more detail, getting closer and closer to perfection until you decide it is time to abandon your project.

Keep adding the 9's bro. It's enough.

[–]dijinee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've been in your situation before. You have to find inner piece. Happiness from within. Never seek female validation. Your life is basically in their hands when you do that. There are books on inner piece and self love.

[–]modSlyGradient[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good comment. Point awarded +1

[–]n2005180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you write blogs or something? I'd read it

[–]redblueninja0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hey man, great comment. Can you give a little more context to this paragraph, I think I'm missing something important,

For me, it completely destroyed my preconceptions, prejudices, and comfort with spoken conversations. I was already adept at written language, but viewing conversations as completely and entirely motivated by desire was a stark paradigm shift for me. It made me appreciate exactly how rare it was to see someone who speaks because they're being respectful and polite - and they think it's important - versus most people who speak because they want something from you, or a situation, or they're simply group signalling.

It actually strained my LTR quite a lot, because I was able to tell when she was trying to manipulate me. It took a while to adjust to which types of manipulation were good, and which were not, but I was fairly hostile to both before I could parse the two.

[–]1InformalCriticism0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So, for me I was exceptionally introverted. I never wanted to speak openly unless it was absolutely necessary. This aversion to speaking kept me from learning and understanding that this medium of communication was incredibly complex and nuanced exchange of information. In short, I was just stunted by my introversion.

Now, having manners and being polite is all well and good, but it doesn't really reveal anything about someone except they respect common courtesy and were probably raised well by their parents/mentors. These people are fairly uncommon compared to the number of people who are more than happy to be nice or go through the motions for the benefit of your attention, your assets, your opinion of them, etc. So, imagine how stunted I was to not know that people observing customs and courtesies may not be doing these things for any reason other than they respect and have good will toward others.

It's incredibly common for people to use pre-packaged behaviors, phrases, and requests in order to manipulate their surroundings to their advantage.

The way my LTR was manipulating me, however, was not all bad. Someone can be a benevolent manipulator. There are all kinds of examples of this. If your LTR is concerned about your health and wants to try a new diet, she might say something like "I'm only doing this if you do this with me." That is a form of benevolent manipulation where she co-opts your good will toward her and turns it into a good thing for you, as well. It's classic co-operative behavior that's more obvious among male friends who need to go to the gym with a buddy, but there's no need for manipulation because of the relationship dynamics: it's typically pretty obvious to fraternal friends that going to the gym is a good thing, and going with a friend is a great way to hang out.

Originally, when I learned about manipulation, I thought all manipulation was bad. I slowly picked up on social cues that when her efforts to manipulate me for my own benefit were actually damaging our relationship, because she felt like she couldn't cooperatively improve with me. Finally, I sort of started allowing her to get away with this or that just to see if our relationship would improve, and I think it's pretty clear that I might have done some permanent damage, because I resisted her manipulation for so long, she has become less likely to be up front with me in order to get me to do things she wants.

For example, she'll say something like "hey, do you want to come to an appointment I've booked to view a venue for a gathering later this year?" I agree, because that sounds like it would be fine. Yet, while we're out, she says she has another appointment at a different venue already that is right after - essentially, she has kidnapped me and a huge part of my day by not telling me the whole truth.

I'm still juggling how to deal with this development, because it was a result of my behavior, and it happened for long enough for it to then effect her behavior, so it may be too late for an obvious correction.

I hope that wasn't way too much information, and let me know if you still need more clarification.

[–]redblueninja0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very thoughtful reply, man. Much appreciated!

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (5 children) | Copy

A lot of this will calm down while you're still able to achieve the focus that this gave you. A couple of points though:

I got obsessed with the self-improvement thing that I don't even give myself rest. I always feel like rest is just weakness and an inner desire to escape from reality.

This is objectively wrong. A correct amount of rest makes you more productive as a whole than overworking. This has been studied to death, and you'll find no shortage of evidence for what I'm telling you.

All this is just an illusion to make people feel good for one day

That's all self-improvement is. You're playing a game with yourself to stave off the suffering that reality puts on you as best you can until you die. That's it.

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck[S] 27 points28 points  (4 children) | Copy

These are good points.

Perhaps I took the Red Pill theories to the extreme.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’ll figure it out. It’s normal to bounce between extremes a bit until you find your way.

[–]equilibrium574 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a toolbox. Can't stress that enough

[–]OMSnow6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, but your finding a balance. I’m having a similar situation as you but I’m a older than most here so with that wisdom am looking at things with more and a different light. Good observation brother.

[–]CaptainBW2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

All good man. Failure is how you grow, and you can’t fail without exploring around a bit. Finding that balance has become a fun and very challenging mini-game within the game of Life.

[–]Casd1212 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you play video games or watch movies so you don't have to study or work, that's escapism. If you had a productive day and want to chill and enjoy yourself while watching movies, this isn't escapism. Also stop sounding so fucking sad.

[–]AlmightyFiNeSseN22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re in the anger phase still.

[–]DadOnDabs18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

You need to get the fuck off red pill and go enjoy life.

I was in your shoes and it's a hard lonely life. It took a while for me to realize that the dream I had about being the rich playboy was an illusion created from reading too much red pill. Sure they are out there but there aren't that many.

Holidays, movies, games, and everything else we enjoy are human inventions. But they exist for a good reason. The older I've gotten the holidays are less about presents and more about seeing family and friends. Once a few start to die off on you you'll see this.

Movies and games are for entertainment. This is a natural urge that all animals share. They all want to play and be entertained at times. As long as you don't go full hedonist it's okay.

Log off red pill for a while and find am activity that makes you happy. Don't worry about striving for success in it and wanting to be the best. Just have fun with it.

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

I was in your shoes and it's a hard lonely life. It took a while for me to realize that the dream I had about being the rich playboy was an illusion created from reading too much red pill. Sure they are out there but there aren't that many.

Yeah the desire to become a playboy is definitely feeded by the the RP. But thinking that "only a few make it" is already the worst mindset possible in my opinion. "Everyone can make it, as long as effort is exerted. That with discipline."** is the realist mindset and the one which will get you closer to success. Think and Grow Rich talks about it clearly. If you think you can make it, you will. If you think you won't make it, you will definitely not make it. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's lonely, indeed. There's a reason though. People who are successfull won't follow the crab bucket mentality (exerted by 90% of the people at least), they will avoid it at all cost. Being "lonely" isn't as bad as people believe. I've been like that for a few months now and can tell you that I've never had so much mental clarity before. You get to know yourself and start living your life, not others'.

You need to get the fuck off red pill and go enjoy life.

That's actually what I'm missing. My life in the past year has been about being in monk mode. Fact is, I didn't meet women during this time and I believe this is what is fucking me up. I haven't been reading much RP in the last period apart from occasional readings of some old posts I archived, to maintain the right mindset. RP becomes harmful when you read it every day for hours. I've been there too. That's called mental masturbation (I wasn't really acting in the real world).

Holidays, movies, games, and everything else we enjoy are human inventions. But they exist for a good reason. The older I've gotten the holidays are less about presents and more about seeing family and friends. Once a few start to die off on you you'll see this.

Fuck man, great point. RP made me hate my parents and all my relatives. I know that sounds incredibly absurd, but I see my parent's BluePill ideologies and behaviors and this makes me want to stay away from them. It's like if I didn't want to get influenced by them. They have always been trying to destroy my frame. "Stop lifting, you'll become ugly", "All these protein are dangerous", "Stop working so hard, eat some sweets". They literally try to make me a beta again like I was a few years ago.

Movies and games are for entertainment. This is a natural urge that all animals share. They all want to play and be entertained at times. As long as you don't go full hedonist it's okay.

This is great, but the brain starts liking dopamine really quick, and it's easy making an occasional cheat day (in terms of activities) become a long-term habit. That's what I'm running away from. I feel like it's just a trap.

It happened to me with porn. I was doing NoFap and one day I told myself "One more time won't do harm to me". Well guess what, I started a series of relapses since that day. It took me 1 month to get back my self-control.

Porn definitely releases more dopamine than watching a simple movie, but the point is that it's easy swerwing off the right path.

[–]DadOnDabs9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Take it from someone who has had a lot of money at an early age, fucked a lot of girls, and lived a lot of life. More than most people his age. None of it fucking matters. The one thing that I missed out on was having awesome friends. After everything else that's what I realized I missed out on.

Again. No one should live a "red pilled life" by the fucking book. It will destroy you. It will turn you into a cynical asshole who will always be alone.

Shit, look at the millionaire playboys that you want to become. I'm guessing Dan Bilzerian is an easy one that comes to mind. Dude works hard so he can play hard. Sure he shows all the girls and shit he has on social media but a good portion of his time goes to managing his weed company and doing business shit.

Log off red pill, see what real life is like, then think about coming back when you do.

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

The one thing that I missed out on was having awesome friends. After everything else that's what I realized I missed out on.

I understand what you are saying. When I was a kid I was a complete nerd with no friends. At age 14 I dropped an hobby I loved (which I was monetizing) just because I had found some friends to go out with.

Fun fact, these "friends" made me start smoking, drinking and brought me in the unsuccessful path.

Luckily, I stopped smoking and all the bad habits I learned by going out with them.

During that period, I learned being social. That's definitely been a plus to my life (being able to be social is perhaps the most important thing in life), but at the expense of an hobby I was doing every single day for hours (graphic design). Don't ask me why I stopped entirely, I was just so excited to start going out that I didnt' turn on my PC anymore since then.

I now stopped going out with all of them. I just couldn't share anything with them. They were part of the crab bucket and I knew that wasn't the right path.

I'm still 18 and I don't believe there are real friends at this age. People want to meet you if you are high value. It's funny how everyone started respecting me more since when I started lifting and getting bigger. Before that, I was ignored by anybody.

Right now I only care about finding my purpose, I'm meditating daily on that and asking myself precise questions such as "Who do I want to become, exactly?". I believe that's the rightest path I can take right now. Setting up goals and moving towards them.

I'm guessing Dan Bilzerian is an easy one that comes to mind.

You nailed it. He's the first person that comes in my mind when I think of the term "playboy".

These people are the ones that evoke the desire in many men to be rich and full of women. I'm one of these men unfortunately (or luckily). It's obvious that only a few make it, it's statistically true. But the ones who make it have one thing in common: they don't give up.

Log off red pill, see what real life is like, then think about coming back when you do.

This is a great idea. I thought of deleting reddit for a month.

[–]_underachiever9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

By your logic, isn't your idea of success an illusion as well?

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

The desire to be successful is a primitive/instinctive one. It's not an illusion. People are just used to mask that off by indulging in cheap-dopamine activities which satisfy this desire. See videogames, or porn.

We as men have to reproduce and survive. Both require the climb to the social hierarchy, and so, success.

Try to stay away for 2 weeks from: porn, tv, music, videogames, garbage food and see how you feel.

[–]veggie_girl6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordosis_behavior#Evolution,_from_rodent_to_human

Humans are entirely driven by rewards. Even our most basic reproduction instinct is 100% reward based.

This is why communism and socialism don't work for shit. And why upvotes make you addicted to reddit and social media.

[–]sir_shitfuck1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Happiest people on earth are monks.

They couldn’t give two shits about muh social hierarchies.

It’s replacing those cheap dopamine hits with something you think is more fulfilling.

In no way am I having a go at you. Look into your programming, why are you the way you are, self inquire.

[–]DiscordantMonk2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps you need to take a break from browsing trp and let the core principles settle in. I understand how you feel completely. I have a life mission and I know that one day I'm going to die. I do what I can to further my mission and I do my best to enjoy life. Sometimes I get stuck in a rut or hit a wall, so I thrash around until I climb out or break down the wall. Could be youre in an anger phase, it too shall pass. Take a minute to smell the roses, find a new hobby, try something new.

[–]tacospitter3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Listen man I feel you — there’s a lot of negativity and insecurity circulating on forums and boards like this one, and it can be very contagious, especially if you’re in a vulnerable point in your life.

I think you need to ask yourself not HOW to improve yourself, but WHY you need to improve yourself. Improving yourself should be a positive thing, but if you’re doing it because you’re not okay with who you are now, it’s only reaffirming that idea.

I would challenge you to reflect on your current self in a positive way before continuing to improve yourself.

[–]gaki1233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's what when redpill is brought to aspies lmao

[–]1jacques_cousteau0074 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like Tyler Durden says in the movie “Fight Club”:

“Self-improvement is masturbation. Now self destruction.....”

This was assuming the “self” in question is the typical 20th century consumerist-driven wage-slave with no Magnum Opus driving their life.

[–]chomponthebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s “ego-destruction”. Tyler Durden teaches The Narrator how to lead his woman and his men via selflessness. He evolves from “his” apartment to a communal house, from isolation to bringing a woman to multiple orgasms. Think of the trade-off between the destruction of all that IKEA furniture and his fridge “full of condiments. How embarrassing” for The Kiss, actual love (self-love, but not ego-love).

Fucking brilliant movie. Thanks for helping me see this, sir!!!

[–]ConfidenceCat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mindlessly consuming content without it ever affecting you just doesn't seem worthwhile. Analyzing and emulating other people with admirable traits can be great. It has it's way of giving perspective on your own life when you compare your life with those of other people. At least constant new input helps with growing and setting new goals, preventing you from stagnating

[–]mleko692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're on the right path, but following the wrong guidance. From what is written in this post it seems that Objectivism could be a great moral foundation for your life and choices you make. Have you heard of Ayn Rand? She's had some interesting insights on morality, life and purpose of it.

90% of the things in life are just illusions created my human beings

Those are not illusions, those are the results of creativity and productivity - the virtues of rational, human mind.

I stopped watching movies, playing videogames, basically anything that 95% of the population does.

Honestly, I wish i could learn that power.

I consider these activities just a form of escapism, and I don't really see the point of doing any of these, because I know I'll feel just worse right after when I received my cheap dopamine, and realising I haven't moved an inch towards success.

I need this mentality so badly.

But the point of all this, is that I can't seem to switch to escapism even as a form of rest. It just makes me feel like shit afterwards.

Because you're trying to escape and rest with activities which are fundamentally against your moral values. IMHO you should try to find an activity which is both productive and relaxing. Dunno, maybe learning to play musical instruments? Or reading/writing? Or turning thinking into a pleasurable thing with daydreaming? You know, simply lay comfortably, breath slowly, play some relaxing music and think about your goals, or some amazing ideas...

[–]chomponthebit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

To carry a Ring of Power (or a Red Pill) is to be alone

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m in a similar place you are but slightly further along.

All I can say is this. Use your newfound time to start producing something over pondering it and getting caught it in the words.

This is the exact time I suggest you start asking the bigger questions and start to carve what that path to success looks like.

You say you are mad for success right? So describe to me what the end of the road looks like and where you want to be. Obviously this will change over time but u gotta start somewhere.

If it involves mastering certain skills, start practicing those skills. Get out into the world and see what it throws back at you.

But the question you are really asking has to do with leisure & how can I truly go on break and shut that RedPill monkey up. I honestly haven’t figured out how to do that down to a science , but I would consider some form of spirituality. It doesn’t have to be God Based, but some form of reflection that truly reminds you not to get to attached to concepts like success.

I use it to balance out the madness for success. Might be worth a try in whatever way works for you.

As a busy guy, I hardly have downtime. My meals with friends and family are my downtime. My spirituality is the other. And maybe exercise to some extent as a way to clear my thoughts but that’s just daily life. That’s it.

I don’t have 3H for movies or TV shows and if you’re chasing the dream as much as you make it sound-neither will you.

I will also add, this madness also comes from a lack of a spouse/dating partner in many cases I’ve seen. You claim to be mad after success right now - but after one decent bitch tells it’s okay and she likes you for the level you are at- most men just fall apart, get lazy, rear kids and give up the bigger dream.

So you say madness, I say self contempt disguised as success chasing. Have a real heart to heart with yourself to see where it’s coming from.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a tool box. Calm down, take a break. You're allowed to have fun.

Perfectionism will kill you. Perfect doesn't exist

To give a metaphor...Red Pill isn't supposed to be crushed down and shot into your veins like meth...

It's just a way of seeing the world, and letting go of BP illusion. All the self defeating stuff. Once you do, take time to implement RP principles. When you feel yourself going off...you come back, learn a little more...

[–]W_O_M_B_A_T1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why do you need to be strong 100% of the time?

Moderation in all things. Carrying things out to extreme ends is a sickness. That just shows that you have no sense of proportion or sense of timing.

There's a time for effort and a time for sitting back and enjoying life as it is right now.

[–]letmereadthatshit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's two ways imo or you get an enjoyable hobby not including gym but a hobby that you can improve and you enjoy it everybody can find one at least and when u have free time to improve your hobby u do it it will make your life alot better Or You can work your ass off for 10-15 years and seriously self improvement 99 percent of the time and become successful and then relax after you achieved your financial goals etc. That's the 2 ways imo

[–]MindBodyDisconnect1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is me right now.

This is more of a process of shedding all the junk and rusted armour that we had on to "protect" ourselves from the rigours of life.

With me going RP the drive for success comes from realizing that there is so sooooo much more to life. The RP opened my eyes to what it really is to be a man, and how lacking I was (still am).

The feeling you have is exactly the same feeling my successful friends who own million dollar businesses and have a zest for life have. Everything fed to us peasants is so banal in comparison.

Have fun and actualize my friend.

[–]rp26260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cliche as the phrase is. You've got to work hard play hard.

[–]wholewheatdirtydog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Treat it like sunglasses put them on when you need to don't be afraid of a little sun

[–]SenorFlippa0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Totally. Stoicism got me to disconnect from a lot of stuff and realize how pointless “everything” is.

[–]SolarTortality1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not Stoicism that’s Nihilism. Stoicism is realizing that life is hard but not complaining about it.

[–]SenorFlippa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well personally, stoicism helped me achieve nihilism? haha i’ve only read writings from “stoics” like marcus aurelius, seneca.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It will pass. Hold on. Keep doing what you are doing. Spend more time around people.

[–]SolarTortality0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nihilism is a stepping stone to enlightenment. Nihilism is false.

[–]_underachiever0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If it's false, how is it a stepping stone to enlightenment?

[–]SolarTortality2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have to reach rock bottom before you can truly begin to understand the world, in my experience

[–]CRGRO0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

relax - you're getting desensitized by rp's onslaught of behavioral "truisms" regarding the evolved human psyche and it's making you forget that although we're animals we're also individuals. stop beating yourself up for doing a bunch of good shit dude...treat yourself like your friend and not some slave. On nietzsche...u realize he was an incel right..and ironically couldn't do anything he wrote about.

[–]SolarTortality0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They can be related, and a stoic demeanor can be taken in regards to your perception of nihilism.

[–]SoulRedemption0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All is well. Careful not to burn yourself out in this epiphany.

[–]Lambdal70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You take trp too serious. It isn’t a solution for everything and has its drawbacks.

You’re still in the anger phase, where everything is very shit. Next step is to accept it, accept that humans are flawed and that so are you.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What is success ? Why is it actually worth it ? Are you really sure this type of success it is your own objective and you were not influenced by the objective or agenda of others ?

What actual concrete results are you expecting out of it and why is it beneficial to you ?

If actually you feel more sad, if you overall you are less satisfied with your life, maybe you got it the wrong way ?

You need an objective that make sense for you and you need to be able to stop when you reach it. Otherwise you are no longer in control.

[–]modern-day-hemingway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 22 and I've felt the same way for the past 3 years since discovering this red pill content, hope we both find fulfillment and happiness brother

[–]iskandph-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You are just a tryharding faggot



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