exactly who are men here waiting for...

Smoogs2 · 2020-07-10T13:30:34+00:00

I'm not sure it's a matter of waiting for anything? It's just a philosophical framework being used to debate. There is no requirement to do anything if you say... wish humans colonize Mars. That being said....

https://mensrights.com/mandatory-dna-testing/

You also don't have to wait for anything? Here is one of the lobbying groups for mandatory paternity testing from a member of the board of directors of the national organization Fathers & Families.

Pontifex_Lucious-II · 2020-07-10T18:37:19+00:00

For some reason men don’t give a fuck about other men’s problems unless it happens to them. If a dude knocks a girl up and is now on the hook the first response isn’t “damn that’s so unfair, there should be a movement to talk about men’s perspectives”, it’s more like “haha fuck that idiot”.

highoncatnipbrownies · 2020-07-10T14:12:18+00:00

I'm a woman and I would vote for in hospital DNA testing at birth. It's too easy to fill in a name on a birth certificate.

I wish we could magically require two Yes's from the parents before conception but my magic wand isn't that strong.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2020-07-10T13:02:17+00:00

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Karmanger · 2020-07-10T14:20:25+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubay_v_Wells

On March 9, 2006, the National Center for Men challenged the child support order in District Court. Michigan's Attorney General made a motion to have the case dismissed), and on July 17, 2006, District Court Judge David M. Lawson agreed and dismissed Dubay's lawsuit.[5]

The National Center for Men appealed the case to the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit on May 14, 2007. Oral arguments began September 10, 2007, and in November the appeals court affirmed the District court decision, noting precedent stating that "the Fourteenth Amendment does not deny to [the] State the power to treat different classes of persons in different ways."[6]

In its dismissal of the case, the U.S. Court of Appeals (Sixth Circuit) stated that:

Dubay's claim that a man's right to disclaim fatherhood would be analogous to a woman's right to abortion rests upon a false analogy. In the case of a father seeking to opt out of fatherhood and thereby avoid child support obligations, the child is already in existence and the state therefore has an important interest in providing for his or her support.[7]

The National Center for Men asked Dubay to appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, but Dubay declined.[8]

the case was dismissed.

akihonj · 2020-07-10T14:39:22+00:00

So you're ignoring that for every single men's rights movement that has started in the last 20 years solely dedicated to men's needs has either been shut down by government or sued out of existence.

By whom you ask, feminists, why you shout, because when men get together they talk about stuff and that means women are shut out of opportunities that men create for themselves.

You see here's the issue, you can't say that men need to discuss issues related directly to men and then allow them to be shut down whenever they get together to discuss issues.

Think about that men's rights movement that gathered in Canada to talk about the male suicide rate, male infertility, male cancer, male homelessness.

What happened, feminists turned up, barracked the venue stating that they are a hate group and got the event shut down.

The men's sheds movement existed solely to help men form connections to beat suicide, what happened they got sued by feminists to allow women to enter, it died out in most places because men might want to talk about issues they have and some of those being women, well when you have a bunch of women turning up men tend to not talk about their problems. Added to that some of the women going in there were using it as a dating platform.

Would it please you to know that men's rights groups have been successfully suing organisations who discriminate against men, and fighting some court battles on behalf of fathers and winning these cases.

The trouble is though whenever a men's rights activist shows up within an hour he gets doxxed and death threats, one of the most famous was actually a feminist for a long time, he's been given so many death threats by feminists that he can't travel.

Now you couple this with the fact that women vote in greater numbers than men so no politician would be willing to say to women, sorry ladies but we're actually going to make this thing fair because that means he or she is going to in all likelihood loose at election time.

There is a good YouTube video of the labour politician Jess Philips laughing in parliament when, as part of a committee meeting, was asked about women's Day, a day for discussion women's issues only, she was asked about men's day for the same reasons and just laughed at the proposal, stating that men's day is every day. When the truth is it's not, daily business of all parliament's and houses is concerned with running the country, individual groups are not the sole business of any parliament unless given priority.

So you have a system that supports women to a greater extent than men, still views men largely as cannon fodder, larger numbers of female voters than male voters and when you take those things into account you end up thinking what's the point.

reluctantly_red · 2020-07-10T14:38:17+00:00

Because the work arounds are so bloody easy. No need for a movement when any guy with half a brain can avoid these pitfalls by himself.

SpectacularSociety · 2020-07-10T13:38:26+00:00

This while comments section could be crossposted to r/selfawarewolves

SilentLurker666 · 2020-07-10T14:26:29+00:00

Just because it doesn't appear in mainstream media doesn't mean it's not happening:

https://www.thelocal.se/20160304/let-men-have-legal-abortions

https://menandfamilies.org/family-shelter-for-abused-men-and-children/

https://www.webmd.com/balance/features/help-for-battered-men#1

https://equalitycanada.com/SeJXc

https://www.gofundme.com/f/47bx5q

Edit : and literally the whole Movember movement. https://ca.movember.com/

Eastuss · 2020-07-10T14:32:16+00:00

Everything starts from the idea gaining momentum, and so far it's a rather unpopular belief.

Workaholiconew · 2020-07-10T14:48:34+00:00

Thats... actually. A great idea. Is there a list of lobbying and organizations pushing for that?

Suck-Less · 2020-07-10T17:28:37+00:00

If there’s one thing I’ve noticed it’s this. Men that speak up in public about any kind of men’s issues get fired from their job, losses their career for some kind of “hate speech excuses”, doxed and absolutely harassed in public to the point of damn near torture.

Almost all men’s rights discussions have gone underground and anonymous. The focus isn’t on changing laws that won’t be changed (because there’s no benefit to women). The focus is on educating the next generation to now make the same mistakes as us older men, and to let them know they aren’t alone. Implanting the knowledge that they are better off alone than as an ATM, manual labor or defining their self worth based on their success with women (provide protect) is the only way now and still be able to pay the bills.

meeselbon573 · 2020-07-10T20:36:59+00:00

Are you one of those people who think Cancel Culture is a myth?

TheJim66 · 2020-07-10T14:27:20+00:00

Enjoy the decline.

There is no point in any MRA endeavor because women are the majority of voters and a very homogenous group, especially in these topics. No politician would risk offending them by advocating for such laws.

Market_Feudalism · 2020-07-10T14:08:23+00:00

There is exactly 0% chance for either of those policies to gain support enough to be discussed seriously, much less to pass into law. Our civilization is terminally ill.

zayelion · 2020-07-10T14:43:27+00:00

Other more pressing matters at the moment like stopping police officers from busting into our homes and killing us. Basic medical care, let alone extra paper work. Digitizing all these records so they can even be manipulated in such a matter.

... you know, running society.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2020-07-10T16:02:21+00:00

Easy to understand but hard to explain.

Challenging the current political views and specially feminism and some very ginocentric concept and ideas is suicidal, becouse feminism is basically the main tool of resource transfer that the global posmodern structure uses to finance it's political, cultural and strategic operations.

Facing such incredibly vast and powerful scheme without at least a firm ideological platform is useless. Not only you won't be able to even scratch the surface of the system, you will also get crushed in the process.

But the main point is that:

You need to challenge feminists views. And when doing so, you are exposing the system's most greatest tool of resource transfer.

And "they" don't like to be exposed.

quesoburgesa · 2020-07-10T20:46:26+00:00

Too busy out getting cigarettes for the next 18 years

DubsPackage · 2020-07-10T21:36:13+00:00

When you participate, when you vote, when you protest, what you're doing is agreeing to be part of society.

US society has no future, there's no reason to invest in it or agree to be part of it.

The best way is to walk off the plantation and let it burn to the ground.

Or let the women fix it. Society is for them, not for us. If men don't have any stake in it, why should we work for it?

If a house isn't mine, I don't mow the lawn or put out the fires, it's not my house.

The problem is women want to own the house, but they want us to fix it. If they own the house, they should fix it.

ThetaOmega · 2020-07-10T14:29:38+00:00

First off it isn't that simple. I'll say right now that a lot of guys today are not patriotic and are complete simps. They don't want to fight for the rights the same way men before them killed ENTIRE amries for FREEDOM. Those where men, what we have today are simp soy boys who sit on their asses and complain about feminism. Thats part one of the equation.

Part two is yes....the feminist. You see with people fighting for their rights in todays world, you have to get recognition from the media and government. The problem is that feminism has made the complete bogus assumption that all men in America are privileged and have all the power (the Patriarchy). The only thing is, if this was a Patriarchy...then why are men doing the shit work that holds up society, why do men get punished more severely for crimes, why do men almost always get fucked over in divorce court, why are men on the god damn draft to be signed up to get killed by the enemy, etc. Also we have female leaders in this country so that dosen't make any sense. Now someone who would advocate for those rights for men would automatically be labeled a sexist or bigot because they are proposing something that can fuck woman up. Woman, especially feminist, don't like being call out and a lot of times will lie to both themselves and the media about how they are victims. My mom did this to my dad in family court and almost made him go to prison. Honestly, if time and the media is showing us anything, its that woman are just as shitty as men. Advocating for something like that might prove this a lot more than feminist would like would pass of a lot of people. They might even say that its the woman's choice to let the baby get DNA tested. A lot of guys know this.

Men need a new movement. Something that caters to us and us alone. And I ain't talking about wack ass r/MensLib or MRA. MRA was good until it got infected with a bunch of incels mofos the same way MGTOW did. Like get me a movement that does shit.

Also, stop acting like yall give a fuck about mens rights...its getting annoying af bruh.

Sea-Buffalo · 2020-07-10T15:26:06+00:00

It’s a fight that you are not going to win in today’s world. That’s why I got a vasectomy and will never get married.

It’s amazing how many women act like they are traditionalist and don’t want kids till you tell them you are clipped and won’t ever get married.

Walking in and telling a woman this is the great equalizer. She knows instantly she has to maintain the same standards she did in the start of the relationship to keep you around.

If you take kids and the state (marriage) out of it, you can leave at anytime she decides to change or not stay the same way she was when y’all were dating.

This is why women don’t like this type of true equality. They only want equality that benefits them.

wub1234 · 2020-07-10T14:30:20+00:00

Paper abortions are a ridiculous concept.

I'm not sure why everyone makes such a massive fuss about paternity on here, as you can easily challenge the paternity of a child, and prove beyond all doubt that you are not the father.

As to why I don't do anything, I couldn't care less about either issue. Neither of them has impacted on me in the slightest, or is ever likely to do so.

2020-07-10T16:56:37+00:00

We’re forming a campaign... still waiting on our female allies... waiting.... waiting.

Jip_Jaap_Stam · 2020-07-10T17:26:07+00:00

It's only taken a few fairly tame comments on PPD for radical feminists to target my livelihood. I've lost money and opportunities for the sake of speaking my mind - respectfully and diplomatically, I might add - on a supposedly anonymous website, so heaven knows the backlash I'd face if I took to the streets with a placard.

Of course, I should've taken more care to protect my identity, but I was naive.

LowCreddit · 2020-07-10T17:53:51+00:00

Mandatory paternity testing would be incredibly interesting scientifically and a disaster for society. Paper abortions aren't in the Overton Window yet. We are just starting to get 50/50 parenting. You should fund that first. Then you work on turning child support from "alimony by another phrase" into actual child support. By the time you get to paper abortions, the case isn't as strong.

woxmintari · 2020-07-10T19:21:59+00:00

It will never happen female privalige is a run away train with no breaks.

It's better for men to understand we live in a materiachhy now and we must be careful about how we interact with women.

No marriage, no single mothers, no flirting at work and live a self focused life while paying as minimal taxes as possible.

darksoldierk · 2020-07-11T01:17:21+00:00

Men try, but they are up against two behemoths; feminism and politicians. When feminism lobbied, it was only up against politicians. There was a large portion of the male population, who did want their mothers, daughters and sisters to be able to get an education, to be able to work and support themselves, to have rights, and be protected. Those were the guys that helped women and feminism succeed.

There aren't anywhere near as many women who would support men in a fight against paternity fraud which would result in a disadvantage to women. Men are not only fighting two HUGE organisations that not only have no interest in supporting them, but have an interest to deny them, but they are also on their own, they don't have support from anyone.

Ultimately, the only way that mandatory paternity testing and paper abortions can be a reality, isn't by non-profits and lobbying, it's by creating a problem for women and the government, and making it in their interest to implement these things. This can be done by men choosing to not pay child support and accepting jail time for it, it can be done by men disappearing after finding out their wives/girlfriends are pregnant, hell, it can even be done by men who kill their wives when they find out that their wives lied and the man just spent 10 years of his life and resources raising a child that isn't his. All of these things create a problem for both women and the government, and when that problem becomes pervasive, then choice for men will be implemented as a response to those problems.

Grave_Heresy · 2020-07-10T14:28:28+00:00

...to start the campaign for "mandatory" paternity testing and paper abortions?

Those are back-end solutions. Stop having long-term relationships, marriage and co-habitation. Most importantly, stop having kids (Vasectomy, spermicide, condoms, abstinence, chemical castration etc..).

where is the lobbying group and the non-profit? why arent you all banding together to propose legislation? or at least some of you?

This will NEVER happen. The White Knight Consensus is too powerful of an influence on half of men. The remaining men are too busy being blue pilled simpanzees who would trade their kidney for 2-night a week marital missionary sex deal. These types seriously think they are winning because they were selected to be betabux for a mediocre post-wall female. I'd say it's sad but there is some joy in the willful ignorance of it all I suppose.

who are you waiting on to do it?

Personal advice: don't bother. It's better to GYOW. Part of the problem with the way that masculinity has been constructed in the west is that it creates an imperative for men to fix everything from broken cars to broken political systems.

But why? It isn't your job to fix anything for anyone. Society has benefited from the last 10,000 years of male ingenuity. What has it given you in return?? A group of financial dependants with no sense of personal responsibility over their own lives and a willingness to dispose of you at a moment's notice when a better deal comes along. Are you kidding me?

The reason why men are disgruntled with the current setup is because they keep trying to fulfill this dream that society has given them where they come in and fix and improve everything for everyone. We are frustrated because our efforts aren't being rewarded. But would a slave complain if his master didn't pay him for his work? Incidentally, our worth is directly tied to our ability to be work horses.

Men need to get this into our heads; you don't have to fix everything. In fact, you don't have to fix anything. You only have to take care of yourself. You don't need a wife, gf or kids. You want those things because society tells you that the epitome of male excellence is in providing for a female and her children.

The best that society has to offer you as a man is a 70 hour work week. So you can do what? Impress a woman? Provide for her kids? Think about this for a second, what in the hell are you getting in return that exclusively rewards your efforts?

All of these issues wouldn't even exist if men stopped with the dating, cohabitating and marriage. But they are so desperate for female validation and P-sleeve that they gladly walk into these no win scenarios.

If you haven't already, consider going your own way. It's much better than this rat race.

misunderstood_9gager · 2020-07-10T13:30:01+00:00

Meh, if I did move over to America, got a girl pregnant, divorce blablabla

I would just flee the country, inbefore getting taken to the cleaners. I am Swedish, so

EDIT: This is of course, if I am not the father of the child and have been tricked. If I am indeed the father, sure, its a different story.

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-07-10T15:22:31+00:00

Some men have already started doing things about it. The thing is that due to precedents set by feminism, only so much can be done about it before the government kicks back saying "sorry we cant do these things as these go against current laws." The government literally does not benefit from repealing Roe v Wade because that is not only publically-regulated population management, but also reduction of welfare dependents (single mothers), which I believe is the only reason that the government allowed abortions to exist in the first place, because it definitely wasn't for "equality."

Factor in the men who dont mind paying child support because they have decent paying jobs, and the left-leaning men who literally support women being given more rights than men (basically legislative cucks), and you have less men as a whole who are actually fighting for their own imperatives. The ones that are, are fighting an uphill battle.

hypothememe · 2020-07-10T16:27:12+00:00

One reason mite be feminists get a pat on the back and a pass and a revolutionary respect when they spend their lives fighting ‘the Man’ but MRAs get laughed at and ridiculed.

Plus most men can’t just bail on their ruined lives and set up shop in someone elses if things don’t work, so theres gonna be less of them

redditthrowaway1478 · 2020-07-10T16:45:20+00:00

For someone else to fall on the sword and get the ball rolling.

Just like sexual harassment against women never really took off until #metoo, few individuals are going to risk their social and political reputations starting something that doesn’t already have widespread support. (Especially if they have little to no activism experience)

It is coming tho. More and more men are speaking out about this stuff. It’s becoming normalized to talk about men’s issues.

2020-07-10T18:17:43+00:00

There have been lawyers trying to get these laws on the books. One was interviewed in The Red Pill. But society and legislators at the state and federal levels don't care about issues that men face, so they largely fail.

Which is why I'm MGTOW and why a lot of guys are. It's an acceptance that no progress will ever be made and a commitment to a lifestyle that mitigates risk until laws get passed and things change, which, of course, they never will.

Coloring_Fractals · 2020-07-10T19:50:49+00:00

Yeah things happen in the world that really bother me. I suck at using my anger in a productive way so I try to find people who are good at it and throw them some money or something. Interpersonally I try not to get mad cuz anger and I don’t have a good relationship. Not saying that’s the right way to do things.

the_purring_jew · 2020-07-10T20:01:04+00:00

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Zippo-Cat · 2020-07-11T03:42:01+00:00

You mean like Men's Rights, which is at best laughed away and most commonly lumped together with redpillers and incels?

What kind of fucking retarded question even is this? You don't get to demand things if you have absolutely no leverage and no one is taking you seriously.

ThroneofTime · 2020-07-10T13:45:44+00:00

Cause they don’t actually want to change anything. They just wanna bitch about it even though most of them are blackpillers who no woman would want to get married to in the first place.

azngirl7689 · 2020-07-10T14:34:55+00:00

They’re waiting for women to do the emotional labor. Just like with everything else.

Innovative_being · 2020-07-10T15:32:54+00:00

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Dora_Bowl · 2020-07-10T14:15:23+00:00

Women to do it for them I suspect.

Pola_Lita · 2020-07-10T13:45:03+00:00

I can't understand anyone voluntarily inviting the government into their lives at such an intimate level unless it really is necessary. Why did you marry a woman you couldn't trust? Why are you risking reproducing with her?

I really wonder how many men were more than say, 30% genuinely surprised by a child who wasn't theirs. OR who are incapable of arranging for their own tests, unless they live in France or similar.

I tend to think those calling loudest for automatic govt interference may be those men who aren't married, or still looking for girlfriends. Those who are least likely to really understand how 24/7 m/f relationships work.

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FeniZio94 · 2020-07-10T15:10:21+00:00

There’s no need to do this

Tbh... even if there would be action by men.... retiring from forming families is enough of an action

MikepGrey · 2020-07-10T16:09:18+00:00

1.) if you wont prove the childs paternity, you cannot make a man pay for it (one of my employees just had to go through 6 months of hell to get a ritch prick making baby mamas to pay for his kid.

2.) why lobby for what already is in place?

3.) maybe you should look at how toxic women have gotten, this guys an asshole but he is in a way like myself - I am successful and do not marry and when a women figures out she can't fleece me for my house and bank account, every single one has left. And I am a popular guy, it is how I can go through women like this, always a new one wanting in (and I am 40 mind you). Granted this is an issue I only see state side, women over in Europe are pretty smart and savy, kinda lady you want in your house as she contributes and doesn't think having a baby maker giveth privilege.

DraconianDebate · 2020-07-10T16:19:59+00:00

I just have nothing to do with feminists and thus have no reason to worry about these issues.

Sepean · 2020-07-10T18:08:31+00:00

Imagine having a political opinion without being engaged in politics!!!

InternalOperator1 · 2020-07-10T20:08:01+00:00

Nah, would rather play Counter Strike and wait for our new Chinese overlords to take over

redthrowaway400 · 2020-07-10T20:13:41+00:00

I’M BAAAAAAACK!!! After Rothschild mods had banned me. I literally don’t care about this post. I just saw that you posted it.

Psych0_W0lf · 2020-07-10T21:59:07+00:00

The ignorance of this post is kinda funny. And this number of upvotes are even funnier showing ignorance of other people.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-07-11T01:36:24+00:00

I don't think it needs to be mandatory.

But I think every man thinking he's about to become a father should GET ONE.

If he's okay raising and/or paying for a kid that might not be his, hey, that's mighty progressive of him. And by progressive, of course, I mean fucking retarded.

(But since we can't say fucking retarded anymore, I just say "progressive".)

gschweska · 2020-07-11T01:43:00+00:00

It was actually the 1950s and my point was is that one was inherently exploitive of woman and children while the other isn’t. Do you believe that child support laws in the U.S are explosive to men in general they seem far more egalitarian.

Willow-girl · 2020-07-11T04:34:32+00:00

Glad to be r/childfree . I will never have to deal with breeder-problems like this.

2020-07-11T04:42:48+00:00

Also, if you don’t want kids, wear condoms every time and make her swear in writing that if she does accidentally get pregnant she will abort.

Gabo9718 · 2020-07-11T05:16:49+00:00

I’m waiting men to move on pass those lame enterprises and band together as we always did, as a machine of war.

jackandjill22 · 2020-07-11T07:22:46+00:00

2020-07-11T18:20:19+00:00

Well for starters advocating for men's rights labels you as a MRA weirdo and a borderline social pariah so no one wants to even participate.

Truth_Dry · 2020-07-11T18:38:38+00:00

I'm hoping for tech adoption / advancement that will supersede the need for those campaigns:

Opt-out broad genetic testing
Male contraception

bobless_jum · 2020-07-15T02:20:16+00:00

why arent you all banding together to propose legislation? or at least some of you?

we have been, it's getting the votes needed to pass that remains an obstacle:

New Jersey (2019)
Kansas (2011)
Tennessee (2008)

I know that you posed this question to be coy, but it really just furthers the narrative that privileged women expect men to do all the legwork, including digging up info that you could have found yourself. At least give up the poop chute to your boyfriend tonight.

2020-07-10T20:38:02+00:00

They don't want the women in their lives to know how much they actually hate women.

KingTutWasASlut · 2020-07-10T15:35:42+00:00

Islam

ihavesprivilige · 2020-07-11T05:04:51+00:00

They can't fight back because no one else who tells them to not obey has come around. And they haven't been ordered yet, to obey by that man, has told them to follow the man who had told them to not obey.

They just need an authority figure to tell them to not obey.

Sheeah don't you have any empathy for these guys?

How are they going to do what they want if someone doesn't tell them to first?

gigababejfl · 2020-07-11T06:23:01+00:00

...to start the campaign for "mandatory" paternity testing and paper abortions?

Its a good question but look who you are asking

A gender watching their own kill themselves and won't even sign a form or lend an upvote to raise awareness for mental health

But will create wombs and die on a hill for porn.

where is the lobbying group and the non-profit? why arent you all banding together

Let me tell you something. The men crying on Reddit don't count. They compete with women, badly. ..when men give a fuck, moves are made. 100% of the time

No such thing as male invisibility at this level. They just want attention for fake problems here.

You dont see this bc they dont give a fuck. Not one

This is why I'm happy feminism is their unsolvable version of AIDS.

Men get what they want. Always. If they can't and are whining, its because nature is set up in such a way where they were never intended to have a thing. Thats it, no exceptions

You won't see them lobby for this but let withholding pussy become a recycled movement. See the activity and ingenuity. Honestly women should do this and jumpstart society to make them cut their bullshit but girls are having too much fun.

I like your question bc we all know they have no answer. Fucking trash

12112019 · 2020-07-10T21:52:38+00:00

Who forced them cumming inside women with no rubber and why should I pay for that?
We should subsidize less and not more

gschweska · 2020-07-10T14:56:17+00:00

What is a paper abortion?

diraclikesmath · 2020-07-10T15:56:34+00:00

The best way to address a problem is a fundamental approach. Gender-neutral polices can be accomplished by repealing the 19th and gendering American power centers. All male electorate and judiciary. All women federal legislature and executive (for elected positions). State legislatures however may or may not be gendered and repealing the 17th amendment will ensure state legislators attract talent and choose noble not popular senators.

omgthaaanks · 2020-07-11T21:22:10+00:00

Bruh, most men have an appropriate sense of responsibility. The anonymous goobers complaining about financial abortion on reddit don't have the support (or the guts) to pull this off.

spacechicken1990 · 2020-07-11T04:31:54+00:00

They're to busy blaming these systemic issues on women, "if we start a movement the bad feminists will laugh at us".

Or we shouldt have to campaign for our rights things should just be like that!!

lots of people like to push the blame onto others and cry about it on the internet, further imprinting this hatred towards hypothetical feminists.

I would happily campaign along side men on these issues and I know plenty of other women with a feminist mindset who would as well. True equality benefits everyone, look at Denmark, Sweden & Norway some if the most egalitarian countries & all report higher levels of happiness.

The MRA movement as it stands is sadly not very credible due to them wanting to fuck underage girls & the amount of far right extremist that are part of the movement.

exactly who are men here waiting for...

Denmark[edit]

Sweden[edit]

Title	exactly who are men here waiting for...
Author	the_purring_jew
Upvotes	139
Comments	448
Date	July 10, 2020 12:42 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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