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Growing old and alone. And how old are the guys posting on TRP? Poll?

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December 25, 2018
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Been on TRP for over a year now. 30 years old. I'm fine right now. Read a bunch of books, fit, have a couple plates on the go. Having fun with life, travel. Bunch of goals that I'm slowly reaching.

But I'm thinking about the future like 20-30 years from now. When I'm 60. What happens then? If you have a girlfriend, than great? But what about kids and such? It'll be harder to meet girls as you get older, I think? Most people will have families, and kids. I look at all my co-workers that are older than 50+ and I see them, the ones that are still married or second marriage, look alot happier, smile more, more positivity. The ones that are single, divorced, or with no kids. Seem so negative, grumpy, and just terrible people.

Reading TRP makes me not want to marry a girl, for a bunch of reasons. How they take half your shit if you ever have a divorce, never seeing your kids again, and etc. But on the other hand, I think it'll be really fulfilling having a relationship that can endure 30+ years, going through ups downs and having a best friend to share your life with. A part of me, and I feel TRP, and our generation, give up on relationships too easily, compared to how it was before, and also how other cultures endure relationship. Or is it, I just have the dream of the one(oneitis)? And in reality that's not really possible?

I feel like alot of the readers and posters on TRP are younger guys like 20-30? I might be wrong. But I want to hear from guys 50+, who have acturally lived life. Had a family, kids, experience. They've been through shit, so I would like to hear from them. But I doubt it, because guys that old don't use Reddit. I've been with a my ex for 3 years, being in "love". Having that special connection with someone. I feel like alot of guys on TRP haven't had that yet. It's special, having someone to connect with. I feel like it's like yin and yang. You need the female energy to be more whole. Or is it just that I am still bluepilled?

Just things going through my head. Thanks for any information. And merry Christmas boys


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Title Growing old and alone. And how old are the guys posting on TRP? Poll?
Author Mrhobo888
Upvotes 64
Comments 76
Date 25 December 2018 05:09 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev59 points60 points  (32 children) | Copy

I'm 51 and will be spending the rest of the week + New Year with my 23 y.o. OLTR1. She doesn't look a day over 22. Life is good.

If I had gotten married young and been "lucky" and found my "soul mate" or some shit when I was younger - I'd be married to a 50 y.o. woman. On a purely practical level, I'm happy boning multiple 20-somethings. How can I do that? Because I don't have a 50 y.o. wife telling me that I can't.1

Generally, when someone says, "but what about when you're older?" the subtext is "Quick! Wife up a tatted-up, cankled bar slut single mom before all the 'good ones' are taken!" Um, no, thanks.

Is it harder to meet girls as you get older? Hmm. It doesn't seem to be. You simply have to pre-qualify them. Most women want a man near their own age, and that's it. That's probably 50% of young women. Another 30-35% might be open to a relationship with an older man, but prefer a man near their own age. But 15-20% of women prefer and older lover. So the pool of young women that are willing to bang you, within your age category and before other factors are considered, will be smaller, but the girls in that group will really, REALLY like you.2

So the question is, what are your goals, and what types of risks are you willing to take? I'm a deal guy and I look at marriage and I see it's a shit deal (for men). If you get "lucky" you stay married and have to listen to your wife bitch all the time, because getting divorced is a pain in the ass.

Now imagine be 50 and having to start over while paying 40% of your gross to a woman so she can fuck other guys and teach your kids to hate you. You're starting over from less than zero.

So how many of your "single" co-workers are bitter, divorced people? You give the Ring of Power to ONE woman at your peril.

Meanwhile, if you stay single and spin plates - even if they are in your own age group - then no ONE woman decides if you're fucking that night and no ONE woman can "change her mind" because you've "grown apart" and get awarded Cash & Prizes for walking away.

You have to be careful trying to use TRP Tools to fulfill your Bluepill dreams....

1 Wives can be real buzz kills in this way.

2 My girls all dig that I am good at "life" and don't get jealous or fly off the handle. So when you're out looking for young tail to have longer term things with, find tall introverts. They will thank you for it.

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy

Thank you for your input. Good insight. Hearing from someone who's been around for a while and enjoying life. Makes me realize TRP alot more.

I have a friend who is 35 who is loving life traveling the world with a 25 year old girl from norway. No worries and never planning on getting married. Also a guy over 50, who just recently got divorce, told me to never get married. The headache and fees you have to deal with through lawyers and bullshit. Now he has a gf, and is free to do whatever he wants, except the money he has to pay his ex wife.

I really enjoy this community and hearing the experience, and teachings that you learn. Really appreciated. Thanks

[–]wrightedgeworthy2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

ROFL really? imagine if you are 50 years old and you have to entertain/game 23 years old girl with their bubbly idiot nonsense just to fuck. It will be faster if you just hire escort/prostitute for dating experience if that what you like. The cost probably nothing compared to your net worth. I don't think your wife will care whether you visit some prostitute at 50 for some quick bang if you still want to do it.

You are missing the whole experience of teaching your son how to be a real men and be proud when you see him become a real men and marry a good woman. You will then enjoy playing with your grandson and doting him and watch how your family grow to 30 people which just start from 2. Not to mention on you have someone visit you on the weekend just because they are your family.

Guess how much uncle Vasya spend just to have that 23 years old girl hand around him while none of hundreds of girl want to have his kid. Have you ever think because the girl know he's just for fun and not for serious relationship? good for him if that is what he want but imagine your ancestor doing their best to procreate until you break the line because of some shit internet advice.

But with all means, please don't choose random girl that will divorce you in heartbeat. Get to know them and realize on how TRP teach man woman dynamic and not just how to have quick bang. Be careful on all TRP red flag and choose the right one. Millionth of people manage to do it until the end of their life and I believe you can do it as well

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It might be a fantasy that you and I are trying to reach. That's why I've made this post. We're searching for that unicorn.

Looking at all the older men around me, my uncle's, they have wives, but yet they all have girls on the side that they keep quietly, in another country. And my aunt's are very controling of my uncle's, telling them what to do and such, if they can go out and drink or not. So I can see why choosing not to get married would be a benefit. More freedom to do what ever you please.

But I do see their satisfaction of seeing their kids grow up into something great, and it makes them proud. I agree with you on that part. When I'm old, and retired. I would like to have grandchildren too. A big family. Seeing them grow up, and passing my skills and knowledge to my son, and him to his.

But like another poster said, we're living in another generation now, compare to the previous ones before us.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Le sigh. Oh, look, another opinionated guy with opinions. Well it is the interwebs.

First, if you understood the concept of "Being the Prize" then you...well, then you wouldn't have written your reply, but so it goes.

Second, not every 23 y.o. is a bubbly idiot. I realize you have to frame it that way to avoid the fact that banging a 23 y.o. woman is a lot more fun (and, from a biological perspective, makes more sense), than banging a 50 y.o. woman. At any rate, I'm more selective than you imagine. The young women I keep around me for any length of time are polite, well-mannered, thoughtful, erudite girls.

Third, wives, in general very much do care if you visit a hooker/escort, or have a side piece. In fact, part of the cultural narrative is that husbands should be "happy" with whatever pity sex their wives give them and not care if she's gotten fat, etc., and that if he steps out on her in any way it's an immediate dumpable offense, even if they haven't banged in 3 years. Note to married guys: I've seen a lot of guys 'come clean' about previous affairs out of guilt thinking their wives would 'be okay' with shit from ten years ago or whatever and then suddenly find themselves getting divorced. If you step out on your wife, you'd better take that shit to your grave; if you have a guilty conscience over it, tough shit. It was your choice.

Fourth, if I want to get married and have kids, there are 3-4 women in my life who would say, "How about tomorrow?" I realize you feel that you have to paint my life - which you know precious little about - in a particular way to buttress your failing argument, but it is what it is.

Your last para is basically, "Guys! Go find a unicorn! It could happen! Really!" How many people do you think go into marriage thinking it's going to fail? Hint: a fuck ton fewer than than who enter the 50%+ marriages that end in divorce. And then there are the people who stay in unhappy marriages for various reasons.

[–]nopiller-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sigh, here come the old grumpy lonely old man

First, being the prize = you decide on yourself what you will be and how you want your woman to be instead of what TRP Guru that try to make a living by doing online coaching said.

Second, Yes, YOUR 23 year old is unicorn. We got it. You have perfect girlfriend and AWALT did not work on you.

Third, I assume you never have a wife before so please stop commenting on something you don't have any experience at. FYI hooker/escort business will go bankrupt if their customer is only unmarried man and the wife must be complete idiot if she can't put 1+1 together on what her husband do after work. She know but she doesn't care as long as he still go home and pay the bill and take care of the kids. When he stop paying the bill , that's when all ugly divorces and cheating story nightmare begin. But please, bring more anecdote with your zero marriage and less than 5 years LTR experience with 23 years old.

Fourth, sure thing uncle. how many kids do you have now? I'm betting it's zero. Go die alone and I bet $100 none of the 23 years old girl will come to your funeral.

How many people do you think have successful marriage? 50%? quite a good number I guess. Do you calculate the spouse that live together without marriage and have children? or 'cuck' family that raise kid from adoption because they can't have kid or want more kid? nevermind them, just go and quote outdated study from 10 years ago that forgot to exclude people that divorced twice

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Hold my calls, Suzanne, someone is WRONG on the internet..."

Oh, and looks like someone forgot to use their alt....

Sigh, here come the old grumpy lonely old man

Are you trying to hurt my eFeelings?

An the "lonely old man" bit is a myth

First, being the prize = you decide on yourself what you will be and how you want your woman to be instead of what TRP Guru that try to make a living by doing online coaching said.

Being the Prize is a concept; execution is individual. And I'm not trying to make a living from online coaching - while any wisdom I may have accumulated is the product of experience, to the guys here, it's free.

Second, Yes, YOUR 23 year old is unicorn. We got it. You have perfect girlfriend and AWALT did not work on you.

Never said she was a unicorn. That said, my Bitch Management skills are unparalleled.

Third, I assume you never have a wife before so please stop commenting on something you don't have any experience at.

I don't need to know how to make an omelette to know when I'm having a bad one.

{Lots of words}

Just stop. There is no "there's only one way", some wives, don't care, some are willfully ignorant, and some just have no idea.

Fourth, sure thing uncle. how many kids do you have now?

As many as I want.

Go die alone and I bet $100 none of the 23 years old girl will come to your funeral.

Whether they do or do not, I won't care. They freely choose to spend their time with me now, while I'm alive.

How many people do you think have successful marriage? 50%? quite a good number I guess.

No, we can round up and say that 50% of marriages do not end in divorce. That doesn't count the shitty miserable ones, the barely tolerable ones, and the "sort of ok" ones. It can be "high reward" for people who want to be marred, but it's certainly "high risk."

[–]criveros2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

No need to procreate.

[–]wrightedgeworthy-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe it's true for incel like you

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

ROFL really? imagine if you are 50 years old and you have to entertain/game 23 years old girl with their bubbly idiot nonsense just to fuck.

Stop making assumptions. I'm 48, short, not-quite-white, balding. Medical Technician. Divorced, Vasectomied, on TRT. I stick to STR's with 25-30 y/o medical residents, and by STR's I mean the duration of their medical residency. I don't do "bubbly idiot nonsense". Strictly day game / social circle and BDSM/Kinky shit.

My biggest issue had been explaining to family why I "never introduce them to my girlfriends" but finally I got tired of the questions and lost my shit after being needled over and over again one Thanksgiving, and told everyone that "I do not like the kind of women that you bring home to your fucking family, at my age I would have to be a helpless idiot to date any other kind of woman, so stop asking annoying questions with fucking obvious answers, godammit." This was greeted with shock, and no more questions were asked, ever again. I wish I'd said that ages ago.

[–]DocPBJ0072 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

Whats OLTR1? new to the sub

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy

OLTR = Open Long Term Relationship. I have two of them, usually, at any given time, who I refer to as "OLTR1" and "OLTR2". I also have some plates/side chicks.

The "OLTR1" slot has been occupied by the same girl the entire time I've been posting on TRP (she was 19 when we started, and turned 23 this year). The OLTR2 title used to belong to one girl, and now belongs to another. Women come and go.

[–]DocPBJ0075 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

gosh where did u meet her if i can ask..curious

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K188 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Damn, Vasiliy...can you be my mentor? 😂😂😂😂😂

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sure. Go read "CorporateLand" on the askTRP sidebar. It's split up into 3 parts (Not just about work-stuff) and will help you with a lot of different areas of life.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

one of the few pieces I haven't read yet. I'll give it a look over.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

In general, I Day Game like it's my job - I'm a natural extrovert so for me it's easy.

The 23 y.o. I met at karaoke. I front my own band and sometimes I get dragged along to karaoke. So once there I tend to choose songs I've covered before in various bands, so I know I will nail them - I've had folks get up and dance while I'm performing, and last time out I had an entire room full of strangers singing along to the chorus of "Hallelujah" (Leonard Cohen song). If you have ever been to karaoke, you will understand that that is not typical.

So anyway, I came off stage 4 years ago and saw two girls sitting together, looking at me with goo-goo eyes, so I thought, "Those two girls want to meet me," went over sat down and introduced myself, and ultimately picked the shy, "not a ho" one. It's been a fun ride. She's an introvert and great with kids, which is important in the event I ever want to preg her up, which I think she's going to expect in 2-3 years. More importantly (for her) if I decide not to, I will release her back into the ocean with plenty of time to find a husband/father for her future kids, if it comes to that.

[–]DocPBJ0070 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

oh so u r cool musician dude. nvm

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Different guys can make it work in different ways.

[–]mattyiceheretoentice 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Tall introverts generally being more receptive to a casual relationship with an older man? I can see that

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In general, I find that introverted girls present fewer behavioral problems and tall girls trend submissive, both of which things I prefer. While not all such women will prefer a relationship with an older man - and generally those that do will want something more than 'casual' - I find that they are 'home' for me.

[–]cookiemountain181 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think the problem is that most people women want to have kids. And I’m suspicious of the ones that don’t but that’s another discussion.

TRP has taught me to be careful when choosing a mate and call them out on their bullshit when they start playing games. If you pick a good woman, their will be less of those. It’s also taught me to take ownership of my own actions and other useful things about being a man.

Where I differ with classic RP thoughts is marriage.

I waited until 29 to propose and picked an absolute gem of a woman who I can call out on nonsense and she’ll admit it and vice versa.

I want kids. And I won’t raise kids without being married.

If you don’t want kids, then you can date the 23 year old who you think is great but that biological clock is going to kick in. It’s part of their biology.

If you don’t go that route then as you get older you are just going to end up with women with kids from a previous marriage. And that just sounds like a bizarre situation I wouldn’t want to be involved in.

If I had advice for OP. Practice RP, but don’t rule out a mate. Be open and honest about where you’d like your life to be but set the tone early for what’s acceptable.

A lot of women are shitty but I think a good amount are caring, nurturing, lovely women that will put out even when they aren’t in the mood who are also suitable mothers that would be worth tying yourself to for life.

Just don’t fall into their traps and set them straight when they attempt to set one.

Idk just my 2 cents.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

While all of this is certainly your free choice (a) marriage is not required for children, and (b) not everyone wants kids (personally I am agnostic on kids).

Beyond that, I think I can be trusted to manage my relationships with women including those who have a biological clock going "THUMP! THUMP! THUMP!" in the background.

Also, one is not going to "end up with" anyone that one does not want to end up with.

Look, I'm not going to fault you for getting married if that was what was right for you, but I think people assume it's some sort of "mandatory" life path and really, it's not. And I've seen enough of the wreckage from divorces gone wrong to know to be wary.

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Appreciate all the input you put into this discussion VasiliyZaitzev. It gives me a different perspective that I don't normally see

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So much this.

[–]Bdsmthrowaway0101 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

If you're 51 and enjoy the company of a 22 yo for more than sex, you're an immature idiot.

Some of us prefer conversations and ideas from people who aren't children.

[–]CrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your scorn for young people says more about you than it ever will about them.

Also, behave yourself or go elsewhere.

[–]Bdsmthrowaway01010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thinking a 20 yo is anything more than a walking pussy to a grandpa age man is normal, not weird.

God help the 50 yo who actually enjoys a conversation with a college sophomore.

[–]1Terminal-Psychosis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hahaha oh god this has got to be sarcasm.

Please say it's an attempt at humor.

Fail

[–]creating_my_life37 points38 points  (7 children) | Copy

mid 50s here. family has taken my time and money and delayed me from my goals. being married doesn't give you a best friend, you'll never be more lonely than when you're married.

you can't achieve blue pill goals through red pill awareness. that's why it's bitter.

the single grumpy guys you see are blue pill.

don't give up on relationships, but never sacrifice your goals and life for someone else's.

BTW, when's the last time you called your Dad?

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

What about kids? I would like to have kids later in life. Obviously you need a girl to do that with. Shitty thing is that later on she'll divorce you and take half your shit. So do you recommend not even having kids? And just spinning plates. And having fun, no worries?

And yes I called my father haha

[–]creating_my_life15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have not enjoyed being a father and having kids. It's been really really hard, and not fun. It's 99% fucking horrible with 1% kinda cool. I see many people in their 20s rightfully chase their own life and future, and not have much interaction with their parents. So as a man you give up the best 20 years of your life....for what again?

[–]Thizzlebot9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Finally someone honest about it lol. Kids and family's are over rated

[–]SteveStJohn2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would like to have kids later in life.

This is the key to determining what you should do. Find the best possible mother that you can. If it goes well, you'll be happy. If it doesn't, well...what does it matter.

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeh if it doesn't. I guess, move onto the next one, right? Life is a journey

[–]trenrespecter3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Were you bluepill marriage at first and did you change yourself a lot in the marriage with red pill?

[–]creating_my_life12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I was in my 20s, the internet as we know it barely existed, and there wasn't a free flow of information. I had some basic awareness, but not the cohesiveness to weave together a framework and then take action. When I found Rollo's writings and the red pill, it arranged bits and pieces I knew and validated disparate ideas. Taking action on this newly organized knowledge has improved my life immeasurably.

[–]Mangasbzo724 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

OP, this is something I think abt a lot. Guys will come in here and say fucking plates at 50 is great + all their married friends are jealous, but they are in denial. I say this bc:

a) I'm 28. I am living the playboy lifestyle right now fucking plates and it's really not all it's cracked up to be. Fucking loads of plates, I have learnt that 1 good girl REALLY is worth a thousand plates. And this lifestyle is not going to be more fulfilling 20 years down the line

b) at some point you will become old & weak. That's when you need family and loved ones around you, not 22 year olds, who won't be around anyhow bc the second they see you need help taking care of yourself they will bail.

Personally I am considering one of two options:

a) ultimately moving to a country in the East where marriage laws are still sensible and setting up a life there

b) if I stay in the west just maximizing my SMV and RMV, so I can have a LTR and family without getting married. This is possible and becoming more common in society too

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Thank you. I also think like this, that's why I have asked the question. Over the last few years after my break up, I had a few plates, lots of dates. But nothing really meaningful.

The girls were a fun fuck. But that's about it, some share a good connection, but I just wasn't physically attracted to them. Others were smoking hot, but no connection.

I haven't had a LTR, since my breakup, so it could be that too. That's why I'm thinking so much about the future.

TRP I feel like is for single guys trying to get through shit. All my co workers who are of the same age as me, all recently had kids and seem pretty content with their lives. Those guys having good family lives with kids, don't come on TRP, because life is fine and their going through it, struggles and all. If you can get through all the hard times with your wife and kids. Your family becomes stronger. The relationships become stronger.

I have a few friends who can't have kids, but their relationship is still strong and they love each other, at least that's what I see from my perspective.

Or maybe this is what I see from the outside, and not what's really going on?

I travelled alot and experience alot of cultures, where they don't throw away relationships so easily. Especially down in South America. When I was in Peru and Ecuador, I learnt alot. Family is important there. Love is important. Love for your family, love for your dad and mom who created you, love for yourself and all the different ways you can live your life. Maybe it's just how were brought up in North America? Like with merchandise, we throw things out when it gets old or is broken. Instead of trying to fix it and keep it going.

I don't fucking know. Haha we all have different ways of thinking and how we want our lives to be. Life is a game, you play it, good or bad choices, you live with the consequences, and learn from them.

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Or maybe this is what I see from the outside, and not what's really going on?

Damned skippy. 99% of the time, this is exactly what's going on. Not very many people are honest about the life they are having. Put on your best face and all that. Hell, straight denial and constant convincing yourself that you're happy in the face of a terrible situation is normal.

Bottom line is that if you think the red pill is all about not getting married and living knee deep in pussy. Then you've missed out on the value that the red pill has to offer. The red pill is nothing much more than people discussing the truth about life and learning to recognize how the world works.

Of course a lot of the discussion is going to turn on pussy because guess what's on the mind of 20 year old's? And most of the 20 year old's that come here are looking to get into as much pussy as they can while they can. Which isn't a bad thing. It's just that they normally miss out on the deeper things that the red pill has to offer.

Wanna get married? Have kids? Knock yourself out. But if you go into it with red pill knowledge, which is life knowledge. You'll be aware of the little symptoms we usually miss out in life that come and bite us in the ass.

I've been married 6 times. You think you're going to get me to walk down the isle again? Maybe I chose wrong, no, I absolutely chose wrong. But in retrospect, I've tried everything in the book. And it always falls apart. In my opinion? I am not cut out to be the husband that sits there and watches his life dwindle down to nothing while sitting at a mall waiting for the wife to finish her shopping. There are many great moments in a marriage, all having to do with making sure the wife is happy. Which is fleeting at best, catastrophic at worse.

I'll never tell you not to get married. I'll just go home and laugh to myself at what's coming. No I will not attend a wedding, divorce proceedings are much, much more fun. Make sure you slate me in for the divorce invitations. And I'm not just referring to divorce, I'd also like to be invited to the house to see the shell of the former man I knew talking about how happy he is that the wife let him have a little piece of the garage of the whole fucking house he fucking paid for so he can have his little man cave. Where he can play with the "boys" on Saturday afternoons after he gets done with the list of chores mama bear writes out for him every week after he's done working to pay for the whole fucking house he fucking paid for. He gets a little 10x10 piece of it.

Go knock yourself out with that whole lotta fun so you can breed kids that legally don't belong to you and a family that will most likely turn their back on you while they celebrate the kid's new father when your little unicorn decides you're done offering whatever it was she married you for. Your house? Nah man, HER house. Her kids. You've got nothing.

On the other hand, there are those marriages that last for a very long time and the husband is the happiest man alive. Bullshit. Last time I saw that was when my grandfather and grandmother died. But life was very different back then. Grandpa was red pill.

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I've been married 6 times. You think you're going to get me to walk down the isle again? Maybe I chose wrong, no, I absolutely chose wrong. But in retrospect, I've tried everything in the book. And it always falls apart. In my opinion? I am not cut out to be the husband that sits there and watches his life dwindle down to nothing while sitting at a mall waiting for the wife to finish her shopping. There are many great moments in a marriage, all having to do with making sure the wife is happy. Which is fleeting at best, catastrophic at worse.

You got married 6x? Why did you get married 6x? Wouldn't it had click on that marriages didn't work out for you after the 3rd or 4th time? Or just have LTRs afterwards? 6x seems like alot of marriages

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm not from the US, so marriage does not carry the same financial weight.

Even then, married at 17, 19, 27, 29, 33, 45

So I speak with authority when I say that marriage is not really what it's cut out to be. I think. 😎

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's great in other countries, how you don't have to pay her half when you divorce. Girls here, damn. Take everything

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is most definitely a lose/lose for men in most countries. But there are ways to protect yourself from any financial intrusions.

[–]chomponthebit14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m in my 40’s. Last plate was 18. The one before her, 22.

Never married, no kids. Most of my married peers hate their lives and envy mine - and though their wives put on shows when I’m over, these guys are all like Ben-Affleck-smoking-omfg.jpg

My happily married peers fell in love early and haven’t known much else, so they bonded, and the sex is awesome because they’ve got nothing else to compare it to.

The ones who married women who rode the cc? They fucking hate their lives

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeh I guess for me. I see some of the older guys who have fairly good relationships. Been with their wives for 25+ years. Their family seems good, one of their son works with us as well. It just seems like the natural thing to do, have a family. But maybe that's just the media, and how it brainwash's us into thinking everyone should have that typical family life. Big house, full family, cars, and dogs.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil33 points34 points  (7 children) | Copy

The US is going to demographically transition in the next 20 years. Your going to see lots of anti male and anti European rhetoric to justify welfair state gibs me dat. The US government will have to increase wealth transfers just to keep the political situation stable as the economy slides deeper and deeper.

These 50 year olds who's cocks your so eager to suck on rode an unprecedented economic surge up. In the next 20 years the exact opposite is about to happen.

The practical advice here is either learn how to cook stray animals into tastey stews. Maybe you got some Korean friends who can come through with some recepies.

Or

Figure out a way to relocate your wealth so you won't get economically gang banged.

This is the most Red Pill advice on what will be when your 60. Your delusion of economic stability is blue pill.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

It is going to get ugly, and the BAD kind of ugly. That Ocasio-Cortez chick is the tip of the Retard Spear. It's gonna be bad.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

What Idiots here and especially on TheDonald need to understand is that Cortez has been promoted for a very specific reason. She is a symptom of a much larger transition.

Based Ben Shapiro can Yiddishly Snark Mestizo Girl. The Snarkism can then be rebelliously reposted by White Protestant College Republicans. Doesn't matter.

Culture is a product of Demographics and Economics. Arguing against cultural shifts on moral/logical grounds is a waste of time.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

The West is lost. Trump staved off the Downfall for 4 years...and now that Florida gave felons the vote, his chance of re-election is basically nil. The GOP might hold the Senate and SCOTUS (Although Roberts is looking "Souter-ish" lately), but yeah, the Republic is exiting the stage.

I am reminded that the only two times you don't need more ammunition is when you are swimming or on fire....

[–]howdoistopobsessing5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you recommend following the Nomad Capitalist's blog (getting multiple passports) and Singledudetravel's advice to establish residency, businesses, real estate, income, etc. all in different countries?

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that's my perspective

[–]satellite7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reallocate wealth how? Any books/blogs?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

this exactly. the only common sense answer. the US has killed itself. the question is where to go? Central Europe...Hungary? East Europe? Russia?....Don't think they would like an American. South America is a basketcase…..maybe Uruguay? LOL

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

While I'm only 21 I've been on TRP for a bit and can say that there's a wider range of ages here than you may think. Definitely a handful of those 40-50+ and some below 16 too.

While I know you said you preferred for older people to answer, I'll throw my two cents in. I was in a great LTR for a couple years and it crumbled. I kept the girl as a plate but as of thus far haven't reinitiated LTR at all with no plans to do so either. My take on it is that, had that LTR lasted forever, I would have had a very nice, happy, stable life. However, I am unsure that that's a possibility. I think the "good" part of an LTR has an expiration date.

My best recommendation, and what I plan to do myself, is to just spin plates, fuck girls, let them show their qualities to you over time. Those who appeal to you, LTR them. If they continue appealing to you, continue LTRing them. And that's honestly all we can do. We may find our perfect LTR that does not go bad, we may not--no control. Deal with whatever outcome you reach and accept it.

I also do think people in this generation are too quick at times to scrap relationships rather than working through problems. I've been a bit back-and-forth myself on if my ex-LTR should have been worked through. It could have been pretty good, I think, and I regret that we live in a day where that could not happen. But I think nexting girls when you have to, to avoid wasting time on a failing project, is necessary.

[–]light-----------dark5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Have a life mission, and you’d be too occupied to consider having a family w/ kids.

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

What is your life mission? Just want to know for example? I don't have a life mission. But get another degree, buy my second property, travel to more countries. These are my 1,3,5 year goals

[–]light-----------dark1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do your goals ladder up to contributing to the evolution of humanity?

Musk is committed to colonizing Mars and saving our planet through sustainable energy - a true life mission.

My life mission is focused on contributing to the evolution of humanity as well. I’ve shared it with enough people close to me to feel comfortable sharing it over TRP, but it’s a mission far beyond my own experience of the world - although my experience will certainly be a great one in pursuit of my mission.

The question above is posed to stimulate thought. I’m not sure every person in the world needs to be committed to the evolution of humanity, but hopefully you get the idea.

[–]pr0t001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There always gonna be the fact, that over long enough time, there will be no more humans around. It still feels good improve the world for our next few generations.

Do you mind sharing just slightly more specifics about your mission? Now you got us curious

[–]Auxfite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What will getting a degree @ 50 will accomplish? Out of curiosity

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 30. This other degree will give me about another $25,000/year with my company. I pay for my own schooling. But they're willing to give me time off to goto school

[–]Bdsmthrowaway01011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I make 6 figures, traveled a lot, climb a lot, play a lot of music, and have had a lot of sex.

Still want kids. Different strokes for different folks.

[–]_the_shape_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No need to marry to have some sort of life-partner, if that's the sort of thing that interests you.

I'm 36 now, been with my LTR for a little over three years, and the advice I'd give is to do what I did and make your opposition to marriage very clear from the beginning. In my case, she's given me some shit on rare occasions, and I always point back to the same response: if you don't like it, I guarantee there's some other schmuck out there who'd gladly hack a limb off in exchange for being able to "put on ring on it you". I'm not leading anyone on, not playing any sort of tricks - in fact, I'm being completely transparent by communicating my aversion to that god-awful institution - so it can't be held against me that I've flip-flopped or been deliberately ambiguous, only that I'm being too obstinate and not giving her what she wants.

Look at it this way: in an LTR, your top move is to withdraw attention, sometimes even permanently if things go south enough, from your point of view. Yes, you can still do this to some extent while married, but not permanently, not for good - at least, typically not without paying a serious toll to get out of what you no longer want any part of. Why make an LTR even harder?

[–]jbnw170 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

TRP is what you make of it bro. Its not a bunch of rules and guidlines set in stone. Use TRP learnings to achieve what you want personally in YOUR life.

[–]T-P-T-W-P0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I’m 22 so I’m young. I’ve had one LTR of a year at 19 but have done some variation of spinning plates consistently outside of that since I was 17 both before and after finding the sub. The sub’s age range seems to be 15-60 with a lot of 20’s-mid 40’s. I obviously haven’t experienced as much as many on here but getting old and remaining single seems to have both its benefits and obvious downsides. I know some 50 year olds who hate themselves and their wives for having to stick to a shit marriage due to possible crippling divorce rape. I also know older dudes with hot older wives and several children who are quite content with what they have going on. In my parents community, there are a bunch if rich divorced men and women in their late 40’s/early 50’s. The guys that are still fit and have their shit together have their absolute pick of the older single women, it’s incredibly obvious and I’m not even around that much. That’s also not even considering the possibilities with younger women open to older men. Then there are old fat men who have been divorced and have to pay for sex if they ever want to have it. Seems to me, getting married is something of a gamble that can pay off in many ways or also end your life as you know it which is why vetting LTR’s/continuously improving is so crucial. Personally, I already know I will one day want children but that marriage is something I’m currently against. Soft hypothetical right now is to remain single until I’m in my early thirties or so and then find a quality LTR who is willing to have children while not being married. The idea is I can still be fairly young as my children grow up while not being totally senile as my eventual grandchildren are born. I would also have the flexibility of not being married to where my life is not entirely ruined if the mother of my children goes off the deep end or is unwilling to amicably co-parent. I think the bottom line is that whatever you do, staying jacked and building/maintaining personal success is a base from which you’ll never be entirely fucked from. From there, it’s really just what you feel and want from life.

[–]whitecauliflower0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is money and currently how I see my life playing out. Settling down mid-late 30s with a carefully vetted LTR for the purpose of a kid or two. No marriage. Maintain control over my life and my finances at all times. Also 22 btw

[–]SteveStJohn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Check out Chris Rock Commitment v. New Pussy

[–]Brickles090 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

“I've been with a my ex for 3 years, being in "love". Having that special connection with someone.” If you guys had such special connection, why is she you “ex” then? Care to explain?

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I lost my trust with her. She went out one night with her friends. One of the guys in the group kept grabbing her ass, but she didn't do anything about it. Afterwards she even gave that guy a kiss. She called me after the club, saying she missed me and love me.

Wasn't until we were hanging out a week later, that I went through her phone and read the text msgs she sent to her best friend , and found out. I kept it cool, seeing if she would tell me. But she didn't. So I confronted her. And she told me it didn't matter to her, that's why she didn't tell me. But it's the trust you know? I should of broke up with her than. But I didn't, because I still loved her. For the next few months the relationship was rocky. I couldn't trust her no more. And I wanted to fuck other girls, just to make her feel jealous(I know really childish). But I couldn't do it, I'm not a cheater, so instead, I broke up with her.

Looking back at that. Once I knew she couldn't even "decline" guys when I'm not around, I should of broken up with her. I was beta, and it was my first love. But I learned from that experience. I think if I would of known more of what I know now. She would of seen that I'm not putting up with her shit, And she would of came back and knew what she was missing out on

[–]ColeTra1n30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

17 now been reading for two years

[–]Musicgoon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 40. I eased into the red pill about 6 years ago. I was married before and miserable. She was BPD and horrible. I had a kid with her not by choice.

I can say that a life of freedom is worth far more than the jail of marriage. Then again, I've got friends and a daughter and many plates to keep my bed warm.

I truly believe that if you're worried about being lonely, you're still believing a female narrative. I'm hardly ever lonely. Most guys don't have confidence that they can develop deep bonds without giving their soul to a woman. It's just not true..

[–]Rognin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

38 year old. Have been steady with a 23 yo since August. Life's great.

[–]SeasonedRP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You have a fantasy ideal of marriage that isn't uncommon among younger men. You envision a devoted lifelong companion, someone who will support you through life's struggles, and above all just love you for you. Keep in mind that it is just that--a fantasy. Women aren't programmed to think that way and don't think that way. Hang around some 50+ women and hear what they think of their husbands. Your bubble would quickly burst, just as it will when that "special connection" you think you have with your LTR is abruptly severed without your input. If you want to get married and have kids then do it, but don't fantasize or try to argue that it can be something that it can't.

50, two sons, got married when young, kicked her out for various reasons. Sons have always lived with me.

[–]Mrhobo888[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeh hearing from alot of you older guys, makes me realize it's probably just my own fantasy. That's not realistic. Spinning plates, having LTR's , having freedom, is looking like a good route to take. And if I do find a good women, than have kids.

Do you regret having kids? What are your thoughts on having kids, in this day and age? Alot of guys on TRP prefer not to have kids and say kids are overrated.

[–]SeasonedRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't regret having kids. I'm very close to my sons. But the odds of having things work out like they did for me are against you. 50-50 custody or the mom getting primary custody are more common than my situation. Many women are more than happy to turn the kids against their ex-husband and do all sorts of awful things. Even if that doesn't happen, for me, the notion of my kids living (even part time) in a home with another man in a stepfather-type role is completely unacceptable. There are too many variables in play that you can't control.

[–]HeadingRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm in my early 50's. Never married, no kids, on my 4th live-in LTR.

Being alone and lonely are two different things.

When I was in my 20's I was in the bottom 50% of my age group SMV wise. I'm now probably at the top 10% - if I want a LTR with a woman my age I'm the hot property.

It will be easier to get women as you age and IF you stay fit, don't fuck up your life you will have a buffet to pick from when you want to.

Unless for whatever reason you want kids enjoy your single life. We all die in the end and being married or having kids won't change that.

Also pulling women younger than yourself is shockingly easy.



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