What's with super jacked guys and their below average gfs?

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July 21, 2020

See these guys in the gym all the time coaching their below average gf. Today I saw a jacked ripped dude with his actual overweight gf, she didn't even have a good face.

Is this because women don't care so much about the body? Granted none of those dudes had great faces but were like average

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Title What's with super jacked guys and their below average gfs?
Author ushyr
Upvotes 82
Comments 178
Date 21 July 2020 08:01 PM UTC (8 months ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/716493
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/hvemtc/whats_with_super_jacked_guys_and_their_below/
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[–]Wants permission to daternsbrum167 points168 points  (17 children) | Copy

Have you tried chatting them up? The ones that I did, all had low confidence. I learned that most of them were already low-confidence to begin with, and lifting was just an escape valve.

[–]ToldYouNotToWorry_67 points68 points  (4 children) | Copy

you’re right, but sometimes they’re not exactly low confidence it more that their below average gf is lifting their ego and worshiping them like gods, there’s too much work with 8+

you can forget about shit-tests and just enjoy the ego high

[–]93til1nfinity38 points39 points  (2 children) | Copy

This. Those ugly girls will treat you like a king. Pretty girls usually have no use outside being a fuck doll

[–]marshmallowislands5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If they even show interest in that.

[–]pukeonmetoes-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty girls have plenty of use if you’re not an insecure POS that uses women to boost your self-esteem rather than genuinely appreciating them... if you strategically go for women who are under your league just so you can have power over them that is a bit of a problem. And that you think that those women deserve less respect. “Pretty women” just have standards

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yes, life on easy mode.

gainz doesn't equal Frame and Game. so many of these guys (like a rich guy or a tall guy) have 'assets' on the outside but are paper tigers on the inside.

[–]2redhawkes[🍰] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is what triggers the incels the most. Looks is everything bro. Gym is for you, bitches are side effect.

Being jacked != high SMV. Still other elements (Game, Status, Money) in the equation.

I've been djing for 10+ years, I see those guys everywhere, especially clubs, standing like a pillars not being able to talk to chicks/have fun. You can see the imposter syndrome in their posture and autistic moves.

They need Game if they want to slay (Game = Charisma+Confidence/ZFG).

[–]rockyp325 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

dont down them bro there all insecure guys that wanted to become confident.

But yes its way more than taht

[–]volvostupidshit35 points36 points  (7 children) | Copy

One thing to test guys with low self esteem is to show them that you are confident and they will try to shoot you down.

[–]Wants permission to daternsbrum23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

Its a good way, but I preffer challenging them and waiting for their response. I have a training buddy, pretty good physique for a natty, but still he only goes for ugly chicks, even though he has a high smv. I tried telling him to go for other chicks but it seems like he does not "believe" he can get them.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

He could got them without being jacked,


[–]MityMax966 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would say I feel the same way at times Definitely working on self confidence myself. Sadly it doesn’t come overnight

[–]thesoloronin6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can confirm.

I used to have a buddy who’s now still super jacked and can put me to sleep in 1 hit but he mentioned that “I don’t have a choice. I’m not the one to make a choice.” when it comes to women and girlfriends.

I had to ask Hulk to smash my head into the ground harder than he did Loki cause I don’t have an arm size big enough for that facepalm.

[–]Wants permission to daternsbrum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its all about the mindset. If he believes that is the case, then it is.

[–]rockyp320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i disagree? when i feel unconfident thats not how ifeel at all

[–]MikeLittner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would have thought the opposite, someone would Low self esteem would just not bother eliciting a response and just meekly brush it off ?

[–]axiscontra2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Second this from experience.

[–]RunawayGrain103 points104 points  (19 children) | Copy

"She didn't look like that when I married her." -- At least a dozen guys I know at different points in time. Now they just get comfortable in the relationship and start to pack on the pounds, though.

[–]flying-backflip73 points74 points  (16 children) | Copy

This. Among other things, it's one of the reasons I will not consider marriage. My close friend is exactly what you described. In our early 20s he would ramble about how disgusting fat girls were to him. He himself preferred skinny girls to such an extent he considered being able to see rib cage outlines was a huge turn on. Then he meets his future wife and she's like 5-10 pounds above what she should be but otherwise relatively sexy. Nice big d titties to suck on. Then through the years and especially after marriage she gained at least 50 pounds. She's 5"2 so that shit shows. Now after 2 kids (never working off her baby fat either) she's a balloon. He tries to hamster her looks away as sexy even telling me somethings "all that meat is just so sexy" but I don't buy it. It's like him telling me that is him trying to convince himself. He's got too much pride to admit it sober. After a couple drinks I've witnessed his wife shit test him by calling herself fat to gauge his response/fish for validation. Like a natural beta he went for it, immediately laughing it off and saying that she's not even fat (meanwhile I'm looking at this borderline obese mother of 2 wondering where her stomach ends and her pubic region begins).

"I don't need to impress him anymore, we're married" - His wife verbatim during a conversation.

[–]Rock_Granite34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus what a trainwreck

[–]youtrain69696 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

So if you get a shit test of “Ugh I’m so fat” (in this case let’s say it’s a fit girl), how do you respond?

[–]Mad at ModsFusionnn24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

"of course you are with all that food you've been putting in you, you're built like a fridge"

[–]MrAnderzon9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree & Amplify or Ignore

It’s how you say it

Yes you’re fat

If you play around and say it without confidence it’s only going to make it worse

[–]TheGirlGetter90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Personally I would say nothing and chuckle. If she pressed me on why I did that, I might say "if you think that, do something about it." Or maybe if she's actually fit and doesn't need to lose any weight: "No, you aren't." No simping compliment, but just a statement of my own opinion. Though I make sure any girl I'm seriously dating knows that putting on weight is not an option, so I don't need to do anything more than let her know if her weight is acceptable to me or not, and it'll be acted upon.

This is based off my 4-year LTR going right now, who's only put on 10 extra pounds one time (recent), after a period where we got fast food a few too many times and she tried to eat as much of it as I do, and it went exactly that way. She put the weight on in like a 3-week span, I noticed, I said "hey, I noticed you gained a few pounds. You're less attractive now" She acknowledged I was right, she'd noticed herself, and she lost all the weight within 3 weeks by cutting her calories to 1200 again. It's all about setting expectations properly. We are very direct with each other and she knows what my standards are and that looks are very important to me. So if I notice something wrong with her appearance, and she wants this dick, then it will be changed. So it was. And I never worried that it wouldn't. Because we're like that.

[–]flying-backflip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would probably not acknowledge it at all. The fishing for validation/compliment shit is quite childish and obvious.

[–]RevolutionRose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Our love is unconditional, you wont believe the shit I put up with,,,,,right honey?"

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Illoyonex2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the thing about marriage. Girls grow old and age fast. When they get older, their T levels increases, their voices get deeper, their hair gets cut shorter and shorter, and some of them grow moustaches on the lips and long hairs on the chin.

And the worst thing is, you can't leave them even if you want to, because you need to pay alimony. Basically, you're fucked for life. When you're single, you can switch and switch.

[–]empatheticapathetic91 points92 points  (45 children) | Copy

Because it’s easy to maintain a less attractive girlfriend.

[–]BadReputation261140 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy

Honestly I’ve found that more attractive girls throw themselves at you the hardest if you treat them like you would treat anybody else, instead of worshipping the ground they walk on

[–]superomar1312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second this, no difference in devotion between hot/ugly girls if you're able to get them to the devotion level. That's all dependent on you though and your abundance mentality. If you're not someone use to having HOT girls around all the time, then your abundance can suffer more with hot girls vs less hot, which is why you may think that uglier girls are more devoted. This isn't the case though when you abundance mentality ups a level

[–]Vitamin_ABCDE10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, the best way to game hot chicks is to act completely unfazed by their hotness.

[–]Ill_mumble_that12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

act be completely unfazed

Reminds me of that old quote.

BpBro: That girl was the most beautiful I'd ever seen, I pined for her my whole life. You had her and threw her away. A beauty of a thousand graces.
TrueAlpha: I'm sorry. I don't remember her.
BpBro: You don't remember?!
TrueAlpha: For you, this girl was the most important thing in your life. But for me, she was Tuesday.

[–]Greaterbird35 points36 points  (40 children) | Copy

They also do things for you. Girl version of bp supplication

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[–]KnightBlue220 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you wanna be happy, never make any woman your wife period.

[–]arokosi5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol facts

[–]Greaterbird5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why gay guys are so happy

[–]NikolaFingarov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]arokosi3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol that's a song isn't it? Thing is, fugly girls can have big attitudes, too. Maybe the lesson is never wife up a woman who genuinely thinks she's pretty and genuinely knows you think she's pretty. Dread game unplayable.

[–]OfficerWade1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes the song is really funny. I think the lyrics were a pretty women does all the things that make you feel small, pretty soon it will cause your downfall.

The thing is your right, it’s all about attitude. I’m not saying she can’t be attractive I mean the type of girl who makes you wait when you came over to pick her up because she isn’t finished getting ready is the type of pretty women better left with dread.

[–]TheGirlGetter90000 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy

If you wanna be happy, never make a pretty women your wife

There's plenty of attractive girls who make just as good, if not better, LTRs than lesser attractive women. I don't agree with that adage. I'd rather find a girl who can do it all.

[–]z2a1-97 points8 points  (28 children) | Copy

Good luck looking for your unicorn

[–]TheGirlGetter90001 point2 points  (27 children) | Copy

Been in an LTR for 4 years. Have side girls openly. HB8. Very pleasant girl. Not a unicorn.

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[–]TheGirlGetter90000 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy

I certainly did not say that.

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[–]TheGirlGetter90001 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy

"Allowing" sounds like she owns me. I'm not "allowed" to do anything--she's not my mom or my owner. And "has to remain exclusive"--she doesn't have to do anything. I would just not be in an LTR with her then. And that is known, yes.

But the sentiment is true, yeah.

[–]flatox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


"Women wont fall in love with you because you do shit for them. They will fall in love with you, when they do shit for you."

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[–]FrickOffAHS17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

-Pork potential-

Love that term, gonna use it from now on

[–]dadudenines9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is an old term I shortened from CH that should be a common term IMO:

Also, look up "Skinny Chick Insurance", that needs to become a common term for LTR considerations.

[–]lowiqmaxxx2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amazing. Thanks for broadening my horizon.

[–]RoloThomazi6226 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah not fat is the new hot...

[–]l1ght-14 points15 points  (20 children) | Copy

How would you go about helping a woman realise she needs to workout a little?

[–]muricanwerewolf118 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dread. She needs to believe she needs to keep earning you

[–]dadudenines27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think there was a post back in the day on Chateau Heartiste about some strategies. But losing weight and getting jacked can provide some low key dreading to coax her. Telling her "Hey, I just warmed up the scale for you, let me know how the numbers come out." Brings it up a notch. But basically, dread tactics may have to be used.

I tested this out: I mentioned how many women lose their fertility because of too much weight because of hormonal issues with fat. Their ears perk up like coyote after that...

When a woman in a marriage has suddenly dropped weight before hubby (without dreading), it usually signifies a hypergamous event has occurred, divorce soon follows.

[–]illusiveab8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is good advice: lead by example.

[–]PM_M3_UR_SECRETS7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Hey, I just warmed up the scale for you, let me know how the numbers come out."

There's no way that there's anyone who actually says shit like this hahaha.

[–]strongerthandeath970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Scary how real and true that is,not just in marrige but in relationships as well

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not your job fo babysit someone's health.

Go get fit yourself, eat healthy, and if she can't follow...that's it.

If you can't lead by example, the relationship is doomed anyways.

[–]L2diy22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy

Tell her directly that she is becoming less attractive. otherwise just leave them if you are in an LTR. If you aren't, why do you care?

[–]dadudenines10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree with this. It is an uphill battle rarely won, just bail out.

[–]l1ght-0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

It’s not she’s becoming less attractive, it’s that she can become more attractive if she worked out a littile

[–]L2diy2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

What are your stats? Squat, bench, DL, height, and weight?

If they aren’t on point then she won’t respect you for enough to change. If they are, phrase it exactly like that.

A stranger through the internet can’t help you with more context.

[–]l1ght-1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I hear you. Appreciate it.

Just getting started in gym, I think like most of you have said, I’ll have to lead by example.

[–]L2diy0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Get body weight in bench, and aim for twice bodyweight in squat, and three times bodyweight in deadlift.

StrongLifts 5x5 will help you with your beginning gains. Then after you plateau (talking like a year down the road) switch to a more structured regiment for your aesthetic goals. Currently I’m on P.H.U.L.

[–]smolzino-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Body weight in bench is weak af in my opinion. If you can't push your bweight in bench right off the bat with no training you're a fat slob.

[–]L2diy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a good baseline for starting strength. Not everyone is built the same way. People also start skinny as a twig and can’t bench that either

[–]Endorsed ContributorRPU_mike9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dump her.

[–]RedwallAllratuRatbar0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

tell her working out is bullshit, she's not a male to need gym, she only needs to go to healthy bmi by eating less. If she does this, she's already 90% there.

[–]TheGirlGetter90006 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

she's not a male to need gym

I like my LTR's ass looking nice. So yes the gym is a good step for women too.

[–]l1ght-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She’s pretty slim & otherwise physically attractive (and healthy,) I just want to see her ass getting bigger

[–]MerryVegetableGarden2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The bar is set so low that it’s not hard being valuable.

[–]illusiveab5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol lazy advice, women are as lazy as you allow them to be

[–]evleva11810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck me you men are freaking embarrassing idiots!, listen to yourselves lol

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That makes sense.

[–]fromdario1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hits home for me... Had a great plate in a long distance (used to travel for work), she was so cool and great I wanted more from her. So spent more time together etc. Then each time over a bit when we were together, more weight going on her and when I was there, training like normal etc.... I tried to motivate her but to no avail, seeing it wouldn't change, out of the blue for her, I dumped her. Saw she wasn't willing to invest. A shame really.

[–]Rock_Granite1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you give your wife some boundaries it doesn't have to be that way. I make my wife weigh herself every god dammed day and I let her know when she's letting me down. After 2 kids and over 30 years she's 6 pounds more than on her wedding day.

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[–]dadudenines2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am glad someone is experimenting with this, I don't care if it sounds messed up, LTR dudes need some ideas on this subject. Especially if they did not get Skinny Chick Insurance or vet for Pork Potential, strategies need to be explored.

Daily weigh ins give quick, low cost, objective feedback. I think they can be incorporated into LTR/hard mode with some refinements that make it seem less fucked up.

[–]Rock_Granite1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If your frame is good,, your girl will willingly do this, because she wants to please you. There is nothing fucked up about it.

But if you are going to give your girl shit about being fat, you better have your own act together. She's not going to listen to you tell her to be in shape if you aren't.

[–]PM_M3_UR_SECRETS0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

How about u date someone who actually wants to stay in shape for you without you having to force her?

[–]Rock_Granite0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I don't force her. She does it because I want her to. It's called having standards

[–]PM_M3_UR_SECRETS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If she wants to stay in shape for you out of her own motivation why do you have to check her weight? Sounds like you don't really trust her desire to please you.

[–]Rock_Granite1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

females need leadership. If you don't give her leadership she will end up hating you.

[–]evleva11810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Get help freak

[–]mrrooftops15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Two things I have noticed with SOME guys like this... Their mom was a bulbous garbage truck when they were growing up so it's 'familiar' to them... and/or they enjoy the crazy SMV power imbalance which means the girl is SUPER THIRSTY and gives them literally anything they want when they want it.

[–]Oh_Debussy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly true. My mum is very naturally beautiful and still has the same physique she had when she gave birth to me 25 years ago but she never wears makeup and her fashion choices are not the best. Till today i still get initially intimidated by women who dress very sexy.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Being jacked does not entitle you to a 10/10 model. Also who really cares who they choose to partner with or who knows what the girl is going through. If you want a long term thing other values take priority over looks otherwise you are just asking for a bad time.

Also these 'jacked' guys are pretty insecure themselves and generally have poor social skills since a lot of them were bullied when they were younger.

[–]sasakuowo44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy

Could be a few reasons bro, maybe the jacked dude was with his below average girlfriend before he was a jacked dude, and he was below average as well.

Maybe he just likes her bro, but also LTR’ing someone below your “attractiveness” might help someone not have oneitis over their LTR or be too clingy

[–]dadudenines12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Good points. I have seen guys lose weight or start getting jacked while they are with fatty. They unintentionally dread their gf/wifey real bad, they are surprised by their reactions. Hilarious how that works every time. I need to go back and ask if they got more sex, but probably.

[–]savageinthebox1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You just described the basis of married redpill.

[–]dadudenines2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

When these non-RP dudes come across this, they look confused, like they just unlocked some dirty secret about their woman. It is really funny.

[–]Aspanu248 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

How do you know he’s not a personal trainer? Lmao

[–]I_cant_go_to_heaven41 points42 points  (9 children) | Copy

Plenty of weird nerdy gym rats out there. That’s why I don’t really listen to trp when they preach lifting as some sort of cure for getting quality Pussy. You need to be well rounded, lifting is good, but you don’t need to be one of those weirdos who live, breathe, and sleep protein shakes and dumbbells.

[–]King_Crimson_00113 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m the biggest person in my gym (6’2 220lbs) and still an awkward, uncharismatic fuck. Social skills are hard. I’d rather be confident than have muscles. Doesn’t help with confidence.

[–]Knighty1354 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

TRP preaches that the only way to get women is have a six pack and look perfect but in my personal experience, I've seen way to many just normal looking guys that have no problem getting attractive girls and I've also seen alot of "body builders" with less that decent looking girlfriends, from what I've seen, the guys who get the most girls are just generally fit, (not that big guys can't get girls because I've seen that plenty too), socially smart/funny, assertive, confident, and dressed well, with nice haircuts/hygiene. None were rich or body builders or this constant "Alpha" perfectionism TRP guys constantly go on about

[–]DCHitsDiff6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP preaches that the only way to get women is have a six pack and look perfect

This isn't the focus at all of TRP. At least from my point of view, TRP is about self improving all aspects of your life as a man. Money, game, style, physique, personality, experiences, etc.

The reason why everyone here turns to "lift more" as a generic response to most problems is because, well, it fucking works lol.

Lifting/fitness is not only the most controllable way for any human to elevate their life in a short amount of time, but it's also a catalyst for developing the latter characteristics you described (socially smart/funny, assertive, confident, and dressed well, with nice haircuts/hygiene).

[–]reddit_man649 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I disagree. TRP from my perspective preaches: health/fitness, social proof, work/economic status, and mission/focus. Not necessarily in that order.

[–]antariusz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Outcome independence and aloofness

[–]jasondougies1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

i definitely agree with you. most people on trip goes: can't get her on a second date? go lift. no replying to your texts? go lift. jfc, give some advice other than to go lift.

[–]savageinthebox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stop whining and go lift!

[–]TheGirlGetter90001 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree here. I fluctuate in how dedicated to the gym I am... I'm usually decently in shape, but nobody would ever call me jacked or honestly I've never even had a 6 pack. I'm also only 5'10". I still pull pretty attractive girls. Got lots of friends in better shape who pull worse. Being fun, having a nice face, interesting, and decent game to move chicks from Point A to Point B while maintaining a fun vibe is more important.

[–]1HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting ia one of the easiest ways to improve your attractiveness and reduce stress in your life. Before your gane gets a chance to come out, you will be judged by your looks. A lot of the guys who come here are low T and weak motherfuckers who've been disrespected all thwir lives and have no frame. Lifting builds discipline and confidence. It's not the ONLY thing that matters but it is VERY important.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being jacked is a force multiplier on game.

Game is not a force multiplier on being jacked.

[–]IntelligenceLtd4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

do you think anyone thinks im a faliure because I go home to starla at night!!

[–]MrAnderzon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Forget about it

[–]0ggles6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've seen plenty of 9 & 8s devlove into landwhales after high school. Just look at her mom's if you want to see the future.

[–]savageinthebox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Checking out the mom is an underrated Life Hack. Not 100% effective but it generally steers you in the right direction.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

ahhaha I've seen this shit before too and I know a guy personally that fits this description. I think it'll be somewhat different for each individual dude but here are a few things I've seen. Some guys have bad inner game which is what compels them to lift in the first place and even though they're in great shape their inner state is still pretty warped. Some guys are in good shape but still pretty blue and pair bond pretty easy to the first girl that gives him unbridled affection because he doesn't recognize his own value and can't read signals from hotter women. Then there's this guy I know who fits what your describing but he's approaching it from another angle, his girlfriend is ugly and everyone knows it but I know him and what he's like, he's had hot girlfriends before and with every one of these girls he was always banging younger, hotter girls on the side. Whenever I've talked to him about girls he mentions that his girl cooks, cleans, does anything sexual whenever he wants, is generally completely submissive. He probably still fucks other girls on the side with this one.

Keep in mind there is no one singular trait you can have that will make getting high quality pussy an absolute guarantee. You'll see tall guys with ugly girls, rich guys with ugly girls, smart guys, funny guys, famous guys, fit guys, attractive guys, guys with big dicks, etc whatever. That doesn't mean these qualities don't help you get hot pussy, it just means that you shouldn't always expect one thing to carry you over the finish line. Most guys are lucky to have one thing going for them and the absolute majority of them have no idea how women are wired. And, of course what you see isn't always the full story, some of these dudes have side bitches and keep a main around for her loyalty.

[–]saltyafrican3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

True story. Just look at Keanu Reeves

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Some ‘gym rats’ are only concerned with how they look and about improving their own appearance. They don’t really care that much about how other people look or take care of themselves, including the women they date. As long as they don’t interfere with their gym routine or aesthetic goals. A very attractive partner could also draw some of the attention and affirmation away from themselves too. If they’re insecure and they think all of their value is tied to their appearance, having and keeping a attractive partner would put even more pressure on them to ‘stay attractive or they’ll leave me’.

[–]mksu91115 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

Because having a decent amount of muscle is enough, you don't need to be big, past that it does basically nothing. You are not going to be fucking 9s if you are not good looking and tall.

Hot girls are out partying friday night while the bodybuilder is at the gym.

Not to mention jut because a dude is jacked doesn't mean he knows how to get girls, for all you know he could be the bluest dude on the planet. There's plenty of gym rats who are total simps, they just don't look like it.

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Yep. I occasionally go to the gym Friday or Saturday night. Plenty of good looking, super fit guys there too. But most attractive women are out socialising/ partying, so these guys who follow this routine every week likely won’t ever cross paths with them. Just because they’re not at home gaming, browsing the internet in bed, or watching Netflix, doesn’t mean that they’re not anti-social or reclusive. The gym is a pretty solitary hobby for most.

[–]Jdamoftruth3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

<Is this because women don't care so much about the body?>

They do, but hot girls all think they should be fucking millionaires...I've seen some good looking guys with hot, fit women as well

[–]TheGirlGetter90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They do, but hot girls all think they should be fucking millionaires

Honestly the hottest girls are the ones in college, who are mostly fucking broke college dudes. Second hottest girls (who are also legal) are the ones who just finished college, mostly fucking guys early enough in their careers that they may be well-off but certainly not millionaires.

[–]OlderRedBrother4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

because it’s easy to get jacked if your a guy

but it’s hard to get the super hot girls

and don’t be overly flattered — that “HB9” girl is yours is most likely a 6 or 7.

you don’t really have access to even meet most of the real 9s or 10s super easily

[–]SavorThePill1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I've been trying to tell people this: true 9s or 10s are actually difficult to find.

If people tried to be more objective with their rating system, they would take into account the vast sexual marketplace. They would then set criteria for what constitutes positives or negatives that contribute to overall SMV.

A 9 or 10 in real life would have to be one of the most attractive women someone has ever seen in their life--although judgment of looks is quite subjective. I find ethnic women attractive (I could find a woman of any race attractive though), but I have friends who aren't into some of them. So my 10 might not be someone else's 10.

For a more comprehensive approach, SMV should also take into account more than just looks...is she free of emotional baggage? That boosts the SMV. Does she cook? Another boost.

In TRP, we believe that women take more than just looks into account for their unconscious evaluation of SMV; if we didn't, nobody would give a shit about game, mission, or finances. If men were more discerning when it comes to women, we'd probably see half the problems we do at askTRP...

[–]catz1234561 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The world is full of delusional people. A 10 is like 1 in million (or more) literally. People throw out HB9 or 10 way to easily. Really depends on your scale. I go by an normal curve scale where 5 is dead average. On this scale most peoples 6 or 7s are actually 5s. Infact, you go down this very thread and you'll find people calling 7s average.

[–]SavorThePill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No shit man. I've checked out the TrueRateMe sub several times (which bases ratings solely off of looks), and it's a pretty big deal for someone to be a 7. I've never seen any higher there.

[–]catz1234561 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can see subreddits/forums dedicated to rating using true ratings but in real life (even just in my friend circles) saying you banged a 5 is like saying you banged an ugly chick. It's not even just blue-pilled people but most people consider 6-7s average. I've seen these 6 and 7s and they're more like 4s and 5s.

[–]yadigggggggggg4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s the SMV marketplace in today’s age.

[–]mrmaskfawkes3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because no amount of muscle makes up for a lack of personality, experience or game. You could look like chris evans, but if that man couldn't complete a sentence to save his life with a lisp . The man would get laid, but not as much as you'd think. Building up your portfolio as a person makes you attractive, Muscles and fitness are like a +2 for most girls. Money and a car are a +5, guy who's interesting and can make her have a good time that's a priceless thing man.

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They’re just trying to keep these girls around until the dogfight

[–]EdvardMunch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I cant exactly say I fit the description but as a guy considered handsome with a chick a bit less surface wise my equal its currently because we work extremely well together and fucking randos and all that isnt exciting right now.

[–]porkmissiles2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of those dudes are gay.

[–]thanoshasarrived4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because the sexual market is so fucked nowadays that a lot women expect 3 points above their SMV. Dating apps and social media (combined with the obesity crisis causing healthy women to be furthered overvalued) singlehandedly caused this.

[–]TheGirlGetter90001 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Probably low self-confidence. One of my good friends is like this. He constantly makes comments about attractive women as if they're "too good to date him" despite being the most jacked dude I've seen in our university gym and having good male-to-male social skills. Thing is, BP runs deep. Having a surface level of value does not mean you automatically understand how the mating game works and how to conquer it--it just means you have more potential, if you did learn to do so. At the end of the day jacked guys and skinnyfat dudes alike are just guys.

[–]apathysfinest0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Is second nature to them. A friend lives in an apartment complex infested with single pretty women and he refuses to try and talk to any of them because "they aren't worried about him". Very sad, cause then he ask how i do it and I'm just like... i start by talkin to them? Its simple.

[–]TheGirlGetter90002 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, I have a funny relationship with my friend like that. My LTR is a HB8. He's said countless times he wants to date a girl like her attractiveness wise, and how happy he would be to do so, and how "from now on, I am going to have standards for myself. 7s and up only." Countless times. Every time he starts saying shit like this I'll just say to him, "That's dope. Katie (not her name) has X Y Z friends who are single--I'll invite you both to a party" or something. And every single time it's either: "Oh that girl is way too hot. She'd never like me." Or: "Oh actually I want to stay in tonight."

Like dude, what the fuck. I hang out with you and think you're a cool dude. My LTR, a girl just fucking like this, hangs out with you and thinks you could fuck her friends and it wouldn't be weird. We're both willing to throw you a bone here. What the fuck is your problem?

They just don't get it. BP to the core.

[–]apathysfinest1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh man i tell you its so cringe and annoys my soul. ESPECIALLY when you invite them out, signs are there and they still decline. When i met him he bragged and bragged about how he likes going out and meeting new people. I've invited him to countless activities, from. Kicking it with my plates and her hoeish friends, parties at my exes, hanging out with new coworkers. He literally avoids all interaction with women if possible and has a PDF full of excuses and reasons not to do anything but sit home and play the game.

For a while i thought i could confide in him back in my ltr days but i realized he never replied to me or would brush it off like it meant nothing. Turns out he hasnt been in a relationship or with a woman since 8th grade. Hes 29 now. It all made sense and there probably no hope for him tbh as he still resides at home with his mom.

[–]rn78891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Myself and a lot of guys I know just like the average looking girls. I personally just find them attractive. Something about a perfect 7 with a decent body just does it for me.

[–]fartingaround1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being jacked doesn't equal good with women

[–]Bakari71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

These guys aren't confident and expect women to talk to them. Believe or not women are intimidated by nice bodies

[–]ThenIJizzedInMyPants1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

lifting weights to get jacked gets you in the door with women... but it doesn't magically fix your confidence/frame and game issues

[–]VigilantCMDR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

a huge point i think a lot of people are missing is:

these people are probably lifting because they couldn't get girls at young age. so lifting is their way of getting girls

when these guys go from getting constantly rejected, they will take anyone once they start putting on some muscle.

it's like if you've been starving for 5 years then get access to a buffet. you're just incredibly hungry, you don't necessarily need like a filet mignon you'll take whatever

[–]Oh_Debussy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This describes me. Hopefully not for long.

[–]MongrelLife1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao its amazing how all of you ignore the elephant in the room


They simply are not good looking and tall and women can see that. They are experts at judging the genetic qualities of a man.

Bbbut hit the gym amiright??

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[–]User364747461 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean, if shes overweight then he might like big girls.

Also, how tall was he? I'm 6'4" and I'd rather be with a chubby girl than a skinny girl because most skinny girls are wayyy too tiny for me and the chubby girls seem more normal.

Most jacked guys I see have girlfriends who are either super fit, or have FAT asses.

[–]TacoMedic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

50% chance they’re the wives of enlisted military personnel.

[–]hockeyaddict870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would say because they don’t dress well, or have game. Also most women know if a man is jacked he probably does it to make up for being small. The best option is to go to the gym a couple days a week and build muscle but don’t get obsessed

[–]testfreak3770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Low self esteem

[–]RedDeAngelo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cos their low confidence pussies with no game, they probably haven't cold approached sober in their life.

Being jacked doesn't make you good with women.

[–]Estebano_70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it's a lot easier to make a fat girl skinny than to make a mean girl nice.

[–]Illoyonex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My exact same sentiments. This is what I don't understand.

It's not just jacked guys, but even the handsome guy you see in college / everyday life ALMOST ALWAYS ends up with a girl who's 5 or 6 / 10.

I seldom see a 8/10 guy with a 9/10 girl (celebs and influencers don't count).

[–]fromdario0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lots to dive into on this but plenty of "bodybuilder" guys have self esteem or image issues. I mean to get into body building in some respects is such a weird pursuit you would have to have some odd motivation to do it...

They are so into themselves and their own body they don't really play the bigger game with girls.

If you eat clean and train well consistently that's all you need for 90% of chicks. Being extra is not going to go that far unless you start to juice and get into elite level fitness.

Most of these guys are insecure and don't know their own value. Most guys don't know their own value, so they fail.

You control your perception of yourself and how you communicate that perception to the world. People forget that.

[–]Vypersnake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is this because women don't care so much about the body?

You haven't read the sidebar.

[–]NiceSetupYeahNice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a simple concept. If all you have is muscle then, all you have is muscle. It's sad

[–]wriley0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably have no personality and only talk about lifting and protein shakes.

[–]SavorThePill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who knows....why do you care?

I'll put it this way: with many things in life, you get what you bargain for.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my experience, dudes get jacked to make up for other shortcomings. No social skills, or hideous looks. I mean, I've seen a lot of muscleheads who look like someone with Down's syndrome fucked Lou Ferrigno to produce them.

[–]jkl21170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's because muscle mass is only a small element of the "looks" part of your SMV. Your looks are determined by: Your facial features (symmetry and masculinity), your height (6' being neutral, anything under a negative, anything over a positive), your hygiene and sense of style, and finally your body. For younger girls (22 and under), height and facial features matter a lot more than muscles. For girls from 22 to 27, your body is probably 25-30% of the looks equation.

In surveys, researchers consistently find that the most attractive body type is the one Brad Pitt had in Fight Club (with the face hidden so the results are legit). That means fairly skinny but extremely ripped, which defines out the abdominals - and by the way, being very ripped also makes the face more masculine/defined which is very good.

Also keep in mind that a small percentage of attractive girls (1-3%) are REALLY into fit guys, but they'll only date guys on the extreme of that (i.e pro bodybuilder / Mr Olympia type of guy) - meaning even a "very fit" guy wouldn't fit the bill for that.

[–]what-up-yo-yo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lots of perfect 10s out there also. By that, I mean really skinny dudes (1) with really fat girls (0).

[–]1HurricaneHugues0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

His mind never caught up to his body. He may be jacked but he never got jacked internally. So he maybe feels like he doesnt deserve better.

[–]aegeaorgnqergerh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Face is way more important than "being jacked" and generally if you're too muscular it'll put women off.

Guys who are obsessed with the gym rather than treating it as a tool often have very poor social skills too.

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[–]TRPCops[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You came here to shitpost because you hate your life.

[–]L2diy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guys often grow up with low confidence, and date below their league. Also, he could have got jacked after an LTR and isn't social capable enough to understand the IOIs.

[–]drv120210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The majority of the girls aren't into super jacked guys doe. They are more into Brad Pitt's body from Fight Club.

[–]Gackt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol no they are into brad pitt's face

[–]TXJohn83-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most of them fall into two classes:

  1. The girl was hot when the relationship started and has let herself go.
  2. The guy might have a micropenis or other self-image issues.

It's more about the guy in the case not caring about what it means to be jacked.

[–]pyth0ns-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Potential 1: society teaches women that they can be butt ugly, can't cook/clean nor do anything of worth - but are still entitled a super jacked guy to love and worship them (enter your brainwashed/dead White Knight) (Thank shit like sex and the city)

Potential 2: they keep her around for their comfort needs and they still fuck whomever they want.

Potential 3: they're super rich (being the girl)

Potential 4: why do you even give a fuck! Focus on you, yourself and your own well being.

[–]bigmeatyclaws1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao do you really think the general message to women is ‘you can be butt ugly’

[–]Murdochsk-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seen plenty of hot girls with fat guys. Stop looking outward stop blaming women man up your single cos of you.

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