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Anyone here went from incel to chad?

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December 27, 2018

What are your experiences?

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Title Anyone here went from incel to chad?
Author 123undeuxtrois123
Upvotes 85
Comments 151
Date 27 December 2018 07:46 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Nib-q210 points211 points  (55 children) | Copy

I went from top 500 ranked in the world at my favorite video game and not being able to talk to a hb4+ without stuttering to being able to bench my body weight and fucking hb7+s. Dong give up hope.

[–]Broseph-The-Great 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy

Dong give up hope

[–]LOLCanadianNeighbor 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

Gotta get that grammar down to level up to 8s

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy

Maybe it’s some chad slang that we don’t understand

[–]CHAD__-__THUNDERCOCK 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Yea bro, I understand. It is.

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[–]myeff 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Bad bot

[–]WeakStreamZ2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You dong understand it?

[–]Nodeal_reddit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dong, give up hope.

[–]Thizzlebot11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

What was the game lol

[–]GandMeChattri8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably overwatch.

[–]Nib-q4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Destiny The original

[–]IrishGoodbye423 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Will frame this comment and hang on my wall.

[–]KingZeeke14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

would like to hear your story, maybe post on the main rp subreddit?

[–]antiMensch1952 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

you can post to the main??

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You shouldn’t

[–]trp2828723 points24 points  (31 children) | Copy

Is being able to bench your body weight really that impressive? I thought you’re barely out of dyel stage if you can only bench your body weight

[–]King-Manlet48 points49 points  (14 children) | Copy

It’s above average which is all that matters

[–]2SirKolbath7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy

I use the JEFIT app to track my workouts. Based on my body weight and workout stats, in ten of my exercises I’m in the top 15% or higher of males aged 30-40 just because I do them!

I should also point out that I’m almost 45 and JEFIT should know that but still categorized me into that age bracket for some reason.

[–]King-Manlet2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

That doesn’t mean that if you bench 10kg you’re above average because the majority of the world doesn’t bench. If a average person went to the gym they could easily bench a moderate amount. Anything above that is what you’re aiming for.

[–]2SirKolbath2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

True. And JEFIT probably only ranks me against other JEFIT users. Which is still pretty intriguing.

[–]King-Manlet2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy

JEFIT is retarded for anything other then tracking your workouts. I’ve just checked mine. My upper body is apparently ‘Top 1% of All Males with Ages below 20’.

[–]2SirKolbath3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Meh. I said in another thread that I don’t compete with anyone but myself. I literally found that part of the software on my way out of the gym today so it was fresh in my mind or I wouldn’t have even commented on it.

Besides, no way you could be top 1%. I am prettier than you.

[–]King-Manlet1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

My 1rm is 80kg for bench. I highly doubt I’m the top 1%. I’m above average that’s about it.

[–]2SirKolbath1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Makes me wonder if it’s a new feature they haven’t gotten the bugs out of yet. Or if they factor your size/weight into it. For a 225lb guy, pushing 170lbs isn’t much. For a 125lb guy, that’s a load. Hard to say. I haven’t played with it enough to really know.

One thing about JEFIT: awesome customer service. I bought the app for, like, three bucks years ago. On something like eight different phones I’ve had to email them for my password. They’ve always responded immediately and been very nice about resetting it for me.

[–]AshyBoneVR40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My 1rm is 80kg for bench.

pssssst... other American's, that's 176lbs...

[–]russiantrolldoll4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m 37 and my strength is above all males ages 10 and below.

[–]joner8881 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Probaly top 1%of all Jefit users . I dont think many elite bodybuilders or powerlifters use apps .

[–]King-Manlet2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

80kg Bench Press though...

[–]joner8882 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Guess Jefit is filled with dyels. 1.2x your bodyweight is kinda impressive and 1.5 is very impressive in my opnion

[–]damaged_goods4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The manlet king has spoken

[–]Vikingcel6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

And here I am, thinking I'll be an incel until I deadlift 3xbodyweight

[–]AlfredKinsey5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It gets you out of the bottom 80% of men.

[–]Zanford3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Impressive compared to modern couch potato standards

Not that impressive within the weightlifting subculture

It's very easy to achieve if you are not fat. Only the tallest or strongest guys have over 185 of lean mass and almost any adult man should be able to reach an 185 bench one 45 plate + one 25 on each side) pretty easily.

Let me out it this way - if you can't yet do it, make it your goal, via a combination of gaining the strength and losing any excess fat. Get there, and then worry about whether to push further (spoiler alert: yes, yes you should)

[–]gloriousfart1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

What game?

[–]trp282870 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy


[–]gloriousfart1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

He said he was top 500 in a videogame

[–]trp282870 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You responded to the wrong comment bro

[–]gloriousfart1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All right thanks

[–]Mescalean3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Weighed 230 as a fat freshman in highschool. Curling sixties and pressing 100 lb dumbells now at 6’1” 190-195. Don’t give up or in like this man said OP. It takes a little time but it is worth it. Keep in mind there is worse in the world than the word “no” .

[–]QuantumSpecter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn, top 500? Thats impressive

What game lol

Im thinking overwatch?

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you saying that while you succeeded, Long Duc Dong capitulated and gave up hope? Are you sure that after finally finding a place to put his hand, he just needed food for automobeeeeeeeeeeeeeel, Grandpaaaaahhhh???

[–]bluefingerblue42 points43 points  (8 children) | Copy

Not an incel. Got laid every once in a while. But didn’t know what I was doing with girls. I always lifted. Was always athletic. But my game was terrible. Most of the time chicks would have to throw themselves at me for us to hook up. I was terrified of “rape” acquisitions. Society fucked me up.

After a year of red pill I’ve fucked more girls than ever before. Girls I’ve met on the street, at the gym, at their work, etc. Now that I know what I’m doing with girls and it’s almost like I can see the matrix.

The other day I went out with this chick who works at the tanning salon. Within two hours there was aggressive kino and I was suggesting going back to her place. Her response was “just so you know, we’re not having sex tonight”. The old me would’ve taken that at face value and never laid (the old me also wouldn’t be there in the first place). The new me did a fist pump in my head cause I knew that meant it’s on.

I’ve come a long way. That said, I still have a lot of work to do when it comes to holding frame and controlling emotional responses with girls I actually like though.

[–]juiceperks 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

What did you do to improve your game?

Also any resources you would recommend.

I've got all the tools but have no game and social anxiety.

[–]Idontgetitboyz7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should push yourself into social situations. Get into the habit of talking to people. Approach and talk to girls as much as you can and learn about shit tests. Good luck!

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Most of the time chicks would have to throw themselves at me for us to hook up.

So basically an unskilled Chad lol. Anyone even remotely close to incel does not have chicks throwing themselves at them.

[–]bluefingerblue0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

These were like 5s. But yeah never an incel.

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So you were a 7/8. In my observation, girls don't throw themselves at you unless they're at least 2-3 points lower and even then, you have to give them the time of day. We all know chicks are not out there practicing cold approach.

Appreciate your perspective tho

[–]bluefingerblue1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

But I was also never an incel cause I worked out and played sports. Could’ve been an incel if I stayed inside all day and played video games instead. Which I did like doing. Just not as much as not being a loser. Point is start with being fit and going to the gym. It will give you the confidence you need to succeed in all the other improvement initiatives you embark on.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough. Yeah, I guess gym is the foundation

[–]IvyExcess93 points94 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'll bite. Not exactly incel, but I just didn't "get it" for a long time. I scored here and there, but once I found TRP and other manosphere sites, read, integrated, and learned real world application - uh, let's just say, it works. I went from being chubby girls' beta to literally banging a stripper on a cliff top, at her invitation, due to tight game and going against everything I learned as a kid. There is hope. The downside is... once you see the truth, you can never unsee it. Which can be very painful. But every man needs to go through the fire before being forged into a blade.

[–]yumyumgivemesome25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

The other downside is now I really do not want to settle down. We've seen the dark side of the female sex, and we've also seen the light for how much further we can improve in lifestyle and quality of plates.

[–]Casd126 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, it's not that bad. Finding out WWE is fake is way worse imo

[–]Themane227 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

What would you say the truth is? Wondering if it’s worded the same as I’m thinking

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy


[–]Themane222 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Every woman wants a strong jacked dude?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

No the truth is all women are like that. They want chad, hypergamy etc.

[–]Themane220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They want the dude that fucks?

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (28 children) | Copy

I'm not chad, but I could be in a few years. I used to be a complete incel.

Before: Extremely long hair, acne, skinny, wore baggy clothes normally with gaming logos and shite on. Facial hair was random and not well groomed. Lived on the bare minimum. Wore trainers constantly. Bluepill to the max. Played games and stayed inside all day. No goals. Skinnyfat, had a bit of a stomach and no jawline but otherwise skinny.

Now: Wear nice fitting clothes that are actually pleasant to look at and fit my frame. Been lifting 3 months and eat clean. Short hair and regularly groomed facial hair and eyebrows makes me look put together, masculine and just overall like I know what I'm doing. I try to keep my hair a little messy so it looks more natural and less like I actually try. I have a career, study, hang out with mates and no longer have social anxiety. I have a jawline and my posture is a bit better.

My experiences? I tend to be a bit more fulfilled. I get attention if I go out clubbing and throw myself out there with some preselection (Hb9 or 10 female friend dirty dancing with me tends to rev the engines). Guys treat me with respect. People listen to me more.

I'm no chad though. I'd say I went from a 2 to a 7. 8 with a suit on. If I stick to the gym and diet, pack on some more muscle and improve my posture further I could maybe hit an 8.

[–]neoda112 points13 points  (11 children) | Copy

question is do we want to be chad or be better then chad.

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (9 children) | Copy

Be better than who you were yesterday.

[–]2SirKolbath14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy

Best answer in this thread. I compete with the man in the mirror, not the men in the street.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you. I find that competing with others can help in the short term if it gives you the motivation and ego boost required to get something done, but it can't be relied upon. Measuring your own progress is powerful.

[–]Vikingcel-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The man in the mirror is a pathetic competition

[–]2SirKolbath3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Shut up, rookie.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

One day I will lose my virginity and then it will be me calling guys rookie and telling them to hit the gym. I'll show you, old man!

[–]neoda12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

now that's a great answer my friend. fuck chad

[–]yumyumgivemesome5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

fuck chad

When we are in periods of our life truly focusing on improving, we don't give chad a moment's thought. He simply doesn't cross our mind anymore.

[–]ShinyRedKetoPill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


The “One step at a time” strategy worked well for me.

[–]crespo_modesto0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

is that possible, like day 10 you don't exist you're like a god

[–]SidewaysCircle-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

If Chad is the epitome of man then we would strive to be Chad, but really if you aren't born with it it will be impossible.

Not saying you can't fuck a ton of bitches but some people are just very attractive naturally.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So, you developed a new jawline ?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. Lower your bodyfat percentage and you'll see one. Like how everyone has abs but a fat stomach hides it.

Also you can have facial hair that detracts or adds to your jawline.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

What do you think were the most important actions you took in terms of erasing your social anxiety?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

4 things.

1) First, Analyse if you can do anything to improve what you're anxious about. Eg: If you're anxious about being skinny, then anxiety isn't being a problem. The problem is you're skinny, you know it's wrong, and you know there's social repercussions for being skinny. Anxiety is being a useful tool that's warning you of something negative you can avoid. This isn't something you want to lose.

Now, if you're anxious about truly trivial shit, or absolutely need a boost for professional reasons etc, I did the following:

2) Fail often. This is the wishwashy advice you always hear so I'll keep it brief, but it's true. I'm way more confident going in for the kiss with girls because I've kissed a few and been rejected a bit and know that it really doesn't matter. There's so much less pressure on things when you have experience that you can recover. It doesn't matter if you know logically, it's about what your animal self understands. Which is experience and instinct. This is what drives abundance mentality, IDGAF attitude, and so on. You get these by failing often, and in the process succeeding sometimes too. Just keep doing things instead of not doing things and your anxiety lowers over time.

3) For my general social anxiety, alcohol. When you get so drunk that you dance like a retard, grind on a random lass, say some outrageous non-PC BS, bump into that highschool "cool kid" and pretend to be best mates.. again you get that experience that nobody cares, you can actually do things you thought you couldn't, and every event you could ever be anxious about is literally forgotten about like 10 minutes after 95% of the time.

4) For specialist cases, this is the magic wand. DO YOUR RESEARCH AND PLAY IT SAFE.. but Phenibut. An over the counter medication that is safe when used properly but can have side effects or even kill you if used improperly.

It gives you the confidence and social lubrication and all the other benefits of alcohol, but you keep the clarity, functioning and basically don't have any of the negatives. Take some, then do the specialist thing. For me it was presentations, phone calls, going into stores and talking to girls. I took it and shoved as many of these activities into a month of use as I could, finding it trivial.

Then when I stopped, I had enough experience that I had conditioned myself to not be anxious in those situations similar to how you train a dog.

Other) Of course, 3 and 4 just help you accomplish 2. Also see a therapist if you think it'll help (I think they're whack) and start small. Cut out defeatist anxious friends too, because they'll just reinforce this idea that anxiety is this huge incurable disorder that needs special treatment when really it's just a reaction that can be conditioned and is rooted in chemicals.

Tldr: Actually solve the core issues that trigger anxiety if there is a logical reason to be anxious, practice, try substances that reduce anxiety to get that practice in at first.

Oh, and get healthy. Anxiety can be caused by nutritional deficiencies, not sleeping properly, and excess sugar amongst many other things

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks so much man. I really appreciate the effort you put into this.

I find it interesting that you say you were able to use Phenibut to condition yourself this way, because I’ve taken Xanax in a similar manner but it hasn’t seemed to help sober me. I definitely want to get my hands on Phenibut to give it a shot; I’ve heard a lot of good things about it.

I’m curious though, why do you think therapists are whack?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Course man. Message me or ask questions here if you want to talk more about it.

I've never tried xanax. My brain also developed differently to most (2 months early and have some OCD, ADHD and mild autism) so drugs impact me differently. If phenibut doesn't work for conditioning, then you could continuously use it twice a week and take a week off after every month. Not a solution but good for big events or emergencies.

It might help if you disclose what you're anxious about - sometimes specific tips can help a lot. And I've had various therapists for like 4 years and know others that have and nobody benefitted from it. I felt good afterwards for like 30 minutes and that's it. It's more like a vent to a friend without any social repercussions.

CBT might help with anxiety. Or a proper Psych. But just talking to someone about it is something you've probably done with friends and Internet strangers so much it's barely any different.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Mind sharing pics of yourself?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'm sorry but I'd rather not be tied to my TRP account.

Before just imagine a 5ft 8 guy that had hair down to his mid-back and who would wear a skyrim hoodie or something with spots on his face and thick eyebrows, with a partially developed facial thing going on.

Now just imagine your average fuckboy with like 10% foreign genes so I have that unique look and you can tell I lift but you also know I'd be lying if I said I've been going a while. I'm like better than average but still stick out as not quite fitting in if I'm around a group of top tier men.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Am I right to assume you're not ugly facially and likely even above average?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Originally I had a slight double chin, my facial hair was patchy and too long, my eyebrows weren't great and I had acne.

Now I've sorted that out, if I keep my skin clear and eat healthy I'd say my face was a 6. If I get a better jawline with a lower bf% maybe a 7.

If your face is a 1 or 2, nothing wrong with surgery.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

If you're an actual 1 it's probably going to be hard to even land a job that will allow you to save up for surgery

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

If you truly believed that then a loan for the surgery would be an insanely beneficial investment.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

True. You'd have to have a pretty helpful family, though. Not sure you could get professional lending for cosmetic surgery.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah - or alternatively deliver things or uber with your car for money. Looks can't be taken into account on an app lol.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I'm just saying there's socially rejected "ugly" (~3/10) and then there's legitimate busted face where you probably also have other physical and mental health problems and too little self esteem to consistently make it out of the house. 1 is ugliest humans alive. And those people are pretty unfortunate looking. Sadly, those people are probably mostly supported by government assistance/family. Kind of speculating, though.

[–]jackandjill22-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (12 children) | Copy

Not Chad by any means, but:

High School:

- Had a solid group of male friends who would get GFs and hook up now and then, but I was the one everyone knew never even spoke to girls

- I was so nervous around girls that one time a girl mentioned she'd have gone to a dance with me if I'd asked her, and my adrenaline shot through the roof.

- I was so socially clueless about girls that a girl once offered me to walk her to her car in HS, during a party, and I told her that she could get to her car just fine by herself.

- I didn't go to any prom or anything else because I had no girls to ask besides gross ones and I've always had standards

- The most action I got was a hug


- I am in a fraternity, a pretty good one at a good school to be in a frat

- I chat up girls all the time in class, at parties, with friends, etc. Often times not even to bang, just to make friends. A lot of the time to bang lol

- I don't approach a ton but if I sense interest I close pretty consistently

- I had a one-way open LTR with a HB8 for two years and banged about 15 girls on the side. Between her and other girls I counted over 100 different places I had sex, let alone the amount of times or ways that I fucked. I had 5 or so threesomes too.

- Instead of my friends making fun of me for being the incel of the group, I am usually asked advice on girls. I'm known as "the guy with the hot girlfriend who is never her bitch" (there's another guy with a hot GF who IS her bitch in our frat)

So I'm no Chad. I do, however, have consistent sex with a decent amount of people, all at least decent looking. Compared to HS, my success is unrecognizable. Honestly, I never thought this would be me. So it can be you too.

[–]MartinVDK910 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I am in a similar situation with a HB8 LTR. How did you negotiate the one way open relationship with her? Was it than maybe the reason why you broke up? I've also tons of girls who throw themselves at me although I am in ltr and I have no idea how to handle that.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

It was never negotiated for, only preserved. She was my plate originally and we started hanging out more, and I was clear I didn't plan to stop fucking others despite promoting her attention-wise. This just never changed, and she never really pleaded for it to change, either.

It was tangentially related to our end. As in, it did not help the issues that arose, but it was not the cause either. By time issues had cropped up, there was no good way to cease having a one-way open relationship to make things smoother, but also, I don't think that would have stopped the end from coming. It effectively made no difference ultimately, in my opinion.

[–]MartinVDK911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, thanks man!

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

So how did you know the open arrangement was one way? Sounds like it totally could not have been.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This is an irrelevant consideration. Guaranteeing your monogamy doesn't guarantee hers anyways. If she cheated, it's no different than any other relationship. From what I could tell, she never did and never showed any inclinations.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't understand this response. At first you seemed to be bragging that you had this girl locked down while you were out playing the field. Now you act like you don't know or care what she was up to. Which is it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Look it's over now anyways. What do I give a fuck for? And she never drank, went out, hung out with guys, etc, so I don't think she did anything. But how the fuck would I know? I'm not breaking into her phone and computer to cross-check every single thing she ever told me. And I don't even date her anymore, so I don't give a fuck. I'm just saying I openly fucked other girls while with her, so it "not having been a one-way arrangement" would mean nothing. She was less likely to have cheated than many monogamous LTRs, so me fucking other girls has nothing to do with it

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

So how did you pull off the change? Besides the obvious

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Honestly I did not change a ton. The biggest difference is that I started putting myself out there. It took a bit to get going--I didn't fuck anyone the first few months of trying, trying, trying--but once the ball started rolling, it felt like it was rolling downhill. Because it just picked up speed and became much easier after the first few successes.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Right on. What did trying, trying, trying look like? Day game, tinder, clubbing? Any approach or practice stick out as especially worthwhile?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had a tinder but only used it sparingly. I was starting college so I talked to a ton of girls I was just meeting mostly from class, parties, my dorm, and activities. I pretty much struck out with everyone for a while, then started succeeding after a bit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The thing I'd say is most worthwhile is to not get discouraged and to constantly try new things until some click and work. And don't worry about rejection while improving--they're not rejecting you they're rejecting your inexperience

[–]IncelNoMore32 points33 points  (13 children) | Copy


I mean not incel to Chad, I have a couple Chads as friends and honestly I don't compare. But I went from incel to a good spot in 2,5 years. Was a virgin till late 25 lol. Now I have a 16 n count eventhough I've been in a LTR for 1,5 years, and "only" cheated 4 times. So went from real incel to 11 girls in one year more or less.

It feels really weird honestly, because I remember thinking that I would never have sex, and never find a girl, about suicide and all that shit. Used to feel that deep despair that only incels know. And now I've had sex hundreds and hundreds of times, and I have no doubt that I can find a girl if I have to.

Basically what happened to me is that I went from a video game basement dweller to a very social, physically fit party boy. I went backpacking in Australia and Asia, I had tons of experiences, met tons of girls, and I seized opportunities as they arose. Mind you, I was always gifted socially, I'm not the awkward type at all. I just had other problems.

Weirdest thing is that I turned into a bit of a chick magnet. Like bitches don't flock to me because I'm not a pretty boy Chad, but all the girls I spend time with end up feeling attracted and wanting to fuck/date. Also what surprised me is the quality of girls I got with. I went from 0 to 100, I never had to fuck fatties or ugly girls, the first girl I fucked was just alright, but after her, I have honestly not hit below 7 and I fucked a couple of my "ideals", that I would rate 8,5 (blondes with really pretty faces, fat asses and that instagram hoe vibe/style). My girlfriend is legit gorgeous, and is also of my ideal type aka nordic blonde with a perfect ass.

I'm really glad that I got out of my misery, and I feel really comfortable around girls nowadays. Like I'm flirting for fun.

[–]antiMensch19510 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

tell me more about that ass

[–]IncelNoMore0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ass in question

She's got that tiny waist to fat ass ratio, no cellulitis, great legs, and nice b cup tits with ghost nipples. From the face she looks like Diane Kruger and Margot Robbie mixed. Also has perfect skin all around

[–]Vikingcel4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Mind sharing pics of yourself?

[–]IncelNoMore0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Not sharing a pic of my face on here sorry. I look arabic although I'm indian mixed, with a nice smile and just about decent eyes. I have a weak lower third with a weak chin from profile but my face looks pretty structured from the front with wide cheekbones and a strong trained masseter. Here's what my body looks like unflexed and without a pump. Actually put on an extra 5 lbs since but I cba getting a pic.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Alright. Just asking to make sure I'm not getting hope from some guy who was an 'incel' but could've gotten laid by taking a shower and getting tinder.

Safe to say you're at least average facially, no?

[–]IncelNoMore0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I think I'm slightly below average, but I got a halo effect due to good body, decent facial hair, good skin tone and perfect teeth, and nice eyes/eyelashes. Like honestly my nose and my chin are shit tier, I have no chin, and a long nose with a bulbous tip AND a little bifid nasal tip. Like from some angles my nose looks ridiculous.

Trust me I know all about the blackpill, facial attractiveness, true ratings etc. I posted on lookism a long time ago, I was rated 4 to 5, with potential for rhinoplasty and genioplasty.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I got about a 5 on truerateme. Don't they underrate on lookism? If it weren't for facial hair, I'd look ridiculous, having a weak chin too.

I am asking because as is, I don't get any random IOI suggesting that I'd be attractive to women.

[–]IncelNoMore0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I mean yeah they rate on the absolute scale on lookism which means 8 and above is reserved to male models, so their rates are usually low.

Honestly IOI's are very dependent on exposure though. Like the average man doesn't really put himself in any situation s where he is susceptible to receive IOI unless he's remarkably beautiful or stands out. That doesn't mean that you couldn't thrive in the right setting. That's pretty much my casw except I do get some IOI here and there, mainly in public transport

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

8 and above is reserved to male models

Sounds actually accurate unlike all these Reddit rating subs where "average" is 6.5 and magically no posters are below average.

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lookism are autists who rate 2-3 points hire when the guy is kissing a good looking girl

sluthate from 2013-2016 was the best

[–]Aestheticcunt199612 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow you are truly a great inspiration to me. I look up to you and want to suck your dick as well

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How'd the cheating work out?

[–]IncelNoMore0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She has no idea. Although she noticed a couple times something was wrong but she forgot about the first time and the second time she asked me to explain myself and I told her that the girl was making moves on me but I didn't do shit. It was all one night stands, all of them happened while partying with my Chad friends. Basically I know 3 guys who are obsessed with girls and are very good at getting them and making things get out of control. I get laid every time I go out with them, because we all wing each others and it always ends up with one girl going through with it which gets all the other girls in the mindset that it's okay to fuck that night since everyone is doing it. It's actually a very powerful thing. Also every one of those times at least 3 of us got laid

[–]SidewaysCircle5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was never an incel but I was sort of a lil bitch.

Senior year of HS I started reading TRP. First year of college I sort of went a little crazy but I made it. Second year of college now. I transfered schools I go to a big university now.

Best time of my life. My body is starting to look better, but I still have some sort body dysmorphia or something it kind of fucked me up losing so much weight as fast as I did while not exercising. However exercise is now an addiction of mine and although I am not the most fit I don't fuck around in the gym and I've seen some incredible results.

Coming back from my 3rd semester of college back to my hometown I am now stronger than all but one of my friends (he plays basketball in college so he got a huge head start with lifting and stuff but I am going to catch up to him). My friends don't treat me like a bitch anymore, and I have a pretty easy time getting girls to fuck (sort of difficult with girls who know me from HS but if we are at the same party that goes away as I am way more social than any of my other friends and I dance and don't give a fuck).

TRP and college has changed my life incredibly. This next semester is going to be AMAZING. This summer will be life changing (first music festival EF!!!) and the next school year will be seriously the best time of my life.

I am just so excited for the future and everything that comes with it.

I've sort of been documenting my journey but I am going to start a lot more this next semester (just pictures and dates) but I am so excited to see what I look like for spring break and summer.

My whole life has changed and I am excited for it all.

God's plan.

[–]LiftMeditateApproach8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

i have a 5'3 balding indian janitor friend who went from being a 40 year old virgin to a mega slayer of white women by reading redpill.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did he become a millionare?

[–]drugtofuck5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy

Aren't incels guys who are really ugly? If so, how would it be possible to become a Chad?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

By sorting themselves out. Their hair, definition, muscle mass, clothing style, attitude.. all controllable.

[–]3chazthundergut22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chad does not necessarily mean handsome.

My brother is a balding ginger and he's got a giant beak nose that's been broken numerous times. But he is extremely dominant and has an awesome lifestyle (backpacking, rock climbing, surfing)

Despite being a bald beak-nosed ginger with a head like a fucking canoe, my brother gets laid like pipe. He is currently dating a fitness model

[–]2SirKolbath10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

a bald beak-nosed ginger with a head like a fucking canoe, my brother gets laid like pipe

Upvoted for the best description of December!

[–]TheH1dd3nFear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I keep picturing Chad as Sage Northcutt.

[–]2319Skew6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Incels can be ugly. Can also be just socially awkward

[–]Camp_KillYourself 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

They really aren't...

Eliott Rodgers and Alex Minassian(?) were far from ugly.

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ER was feminine and ugly (5ft 6 max, weak frame, little muscle, no edgy features like long hair, piercing etc showed his autism)

he was a 3 out of 10, do you really think he would have been in a decent frat?

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen 2 definitions of Chad:

  • A natural with elite genetics

  • A dude who's worked for it and dominates via skill and social awareness

Only option for most incels would be the 2nd obviously, although some naturally handsome dudes can have major psychological/insecurity issues. Seems pretty rare tho

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

orb was a real life 9/10 autist with a nearly 8 inch dick who had to move to asia to get laid

macimate was also a 9/10 who was a semi autist who would constatly post retarded theories that were somewhat true

[–]garebear199594 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Used to be 300lbs now 190.learned guitar and boxing and looksmaxed with plastic surgery.

I don’t get laid as much as Tyrone but it’s a lot easier now.pumped and ghosted some old high school roasties who rejected me before.

Fuck a couple college thots ever semester.

[–]123undeuxtrois123 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

What kind of plastic surgery did you get? How tall are you?

Also it’s good that you fucked those thots.

[–]garebear199591 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Neck lift and liposuction/gynocamastia on my manboobs.after losing so much weight there was a lot of loose skin on my neck and my mantits refused to go away even at 170lbs.6ft 2in.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wasn’t ever incel but was very bluepilled up until about a year ago. I went to a Christian high school where it’s taught that god has “the one” waiting for you etc. other romanticist shit. Fell for that hook line and sinker on a girl for about a year before I began studying psychology (ironically in an effort to win her over). About I month in I had red pilled myself and realized what an absolute fool I had been my entire life. Taught me to take myself seriously, grow a fucking backbone, gain respect, and destroy any sense of social anxiety/timidity. Ignored her, focused on my own goals. Lifted a lot too, now can casually rep my body weight as a warm up set.

Off to college 7 moths later and I find (this September) TRP which solidified my suspicions and added more important insight. Multiplied my progress and helped give me even more direction in life. Started spinning plates, finally getting laid, exponential progress.

I expect in about a year or two to reach “Chad” (lmao). I.e. attained physique, solid reputation, expended social influence.

Never would have even imagined I’d be where I am two years ago. It’s work but the rewards are so valuable to me.

[–]freenrich3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I consider myself a person who went from incel to Chad.

I was always terrible with girls. I was extremely shy and awkward and would too often become infatuated immediately and drive any girl that I liked away. I couldn't help but be an total "nice guy", plus I was always really nerdy and overweight my entire childhood and high school life.

I would go out clubbing every week with my friends from when I was 17 and I would strike out over and over, sometimes I'd get a kiss or a number of a seriously drunk girl but it would never go anywhere. Girls always lost interest in me. The longer it went without losing my virginity the more it would become constantly on my mind.

On several occasions I'd manage to get as far as going back to a girls place, but I would get so nervous that I wouldn't be able to get or maintain an erection, which made things extremely awkward and embarrassing when the girl was usually less than understanding.

This all changed when I was 21 and signed up for online dating on Plenty of Fish. This was before the days of tinder so there was still quite a stigma about online dating but I thought i didn't have much left to lose. I had no luck getting a date for 6 months but I was determined, and eventually I got a message from a really cute girl who had a lot in common with me. We dated a few times and talked for hours and hours. I told her i was a virgin and she didn't care. When she came over she gave me no pressure and I finally lost my virginity to her. She became my girlfriend for over 2 and a half years.

She ended up moving away for university and ended our relationship. I was heartbroken but by this point I'd become comfortable with sex although I was very overweight. I tried to be friends with my ex but she told me that she'd already slept with like 5 other guys within 2 months of us breaking up, whereas I was having no luck whatsoever.

I became obsessed with working on myself to become more attractive. I joined the gym and started going every 2nd day without fail. I started being very strict with my diet for the first time in my life. I lost 40lbs in 6 months and read books and websites on seduction in my spare time. I bought new trendy clothes, aftershave, jewellery and found a better barber. I spent a lot of time on tinder experimenting with different photos and bios. I started an indie rock band and we had a couple photo shoots and I got some fun photos taken when I would travel that made me look like a fun guy to date.

I experimented with different techniques of starting conversations, and closing dates. The more time passed, the fitter and more attractive I became. Suddenly I was matching with many girls and dating several girls per week. The more dates I went on the more comfortable and confident I became around them. Eventually getting a date and going home with a girl became easy. I've ended up sleeping with over 30 girls in the space of 2 years. It probably could have been way more but I became super picky about only wanting to sleep with the hottest girls who I felt I could also connect with.

6 months ago I met the girl of my dreams. She's the cutest and sweetest girl I've ever met. Easy going and down to earth. She loves everything I love. I was also her first. She is the world to me.

But yeah I'm not gonna lie and say my success isn't heavily resting on the fact I'm 6'3" tall and handsome. But up until I was 21 I felt completely hopeless with women. Building confidence, gaining experience talking to and dating women, and actively fixing my unhealthy, unattractive lifestyle lead me to become what many of you would consider a Chad now.

I do think though that any guy who is determined enough can find love or sex, but you need to put in a lot of effort. My height and looks definitely weren't a free pass and it took me a long time and A LOT of rejection to get to where I am now.

[–]Waikku1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never was an incel, nor am I a chad atm but did a pretty solid change!

I was in an LTR of about 2 years when I discovered TRP (I was 19). Started reading but never internalizing this stuff. Then I diagnoses myself with depression when I, one night, after watching Netflix, went to bed and just started crying all of a sudden. Messaged my best friend who had been in a similar situation, who then urged me to go lift with him.

This friend also notified me that my LTR (we had been dating 3 years by that time) was spending a little too much time with one of my friends, who she met through me. So I "assessed the situation" and told my LTR that she was spending too much time with him.

She wouldn't comply.

By then I was living with said best friend, he saw the situation and after about 2 months of them "watching movies" together told me that if I know for sure I'm not going to spend the rest of my life with this girl it's pointless to keep dating her.

So I dumped her. She did not see it coming.

After about 2 months of reading TRP and being single I was able to land a solid 9 (in my mind). Tall, blonde, thin, submissive (literally I would tell her to drop her panties while we were brushing our teeth getting ready to sleep and she would), big eyes, cute. She was the 4th girl I had sex with. Dated her for about a year before she started showing violent tendencies. So I walked away. This was about 13 months ago.

Now, I dress way better, tease girls, have much better game overall. Now, I have an n-count of 23. This is all from Tinder, I don't approach girls, yet.

[–]csawyer861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t know about becoming a Chad , but I went from fucking 5s and under from high school to my upper 20s to fucking 8s and above by making a few simple adjustments. I grew a beard ( this was almost an instant attractor of women ), started lifting, and started dressing better. At my peak I was able to walk by a woman and have her literally grab my arm and squeeze my muscles and tell me how sexy I am. I’m in an LTR now but I like to think I could still manage that if I was single.

[–]kayfab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As you get older its the opposite hahah i used to be a Chad and now i am mgtow, i am not incel cause i don't hate women, i just can't get the hot ones anymore LOL

[–]Icepickthegod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i went from chad to incel lookswise. now im about low tier normie at best.

[–]Drakonlord0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

if you where ever an incel then you will never been good enough to be a true chad.

That being said I've gone from 0 interest from women to getting unlimited 6/10's and some 7/10's.

How I did it?

1) Started going the gym. 10% bf. Well above average physique.

2) Invested a few grand into my wardrobe, as well as doing extensive research on what a good wardrobe looks like (been told i dress well by attractive women)

3) grew to 6'4" (a lot of my success is due to this).

4) grew a beard, hides my weak chin. I've been told I'm an 8/10 by some women, which puts me closer to a 6.5.

5) got comfortable around women from lots of exposure.

at 15 I was probably a 4/10 and now I'm a 7/10. My limiting factor is simply genetics, but still a 7/10 is a pretty good life.

[–]circlingldn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

6ft4 is top 1.5 percentile for males, a 6 is 1 in 5, a 7 is 1 in 15, a 8 is 1 in 80, a 9 is one in 500, a 10 is one in 4000

[–]Drakonlord0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just assumed it was scalar. Based on my current suburb (rich and young) I'm probably better than 1/2 guys. In an average city I'd be 1/4.

It is relative though. In Hong Kong I was better than 1/100 guys, not that that's hard.

[–]tacospitter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Over about 10 years I successfully transitioned from virgin who was anxious and hopeless with women to banging everything that moved to having more meaningful relationships with attractive women to having a (still) incredible relationship now.

I wouldn’t consider myself a chad, but certainly a true alpha. I consider chads more along the lines of a false alpha.

More importantly I developed self-confidence, self-respect, and am happy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Plenty of people went from incel to someone who gets laid. Your wish to become chad is akin to my wish to become professional baseball player.

But I still can learn to play baseball, you know, even in my age. Just like incel can still learn how to seduce and attract women.

[–]yumyumgivemesome0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lost the V at age 22. Only had 5 at the age of 28, about 10 at the age of 32, about 20 at the age of 34, and over 50 now that I'm 38. I know the numbers are about right because I've maintained an encrypted list because I'm curious how my # has changed over the years. I'm definitely no Chad, but I certainly no longer wonder when the next time I'll get laid will be.

I also note that it feels like over 100 different girls, but my # is certainly under 60. I point that out because when most guys give what they believe to be an honest estimate that is above 30, it's probably fair to assume their real # is half of that. (It's just impossible to remember and it's easy to mistakenly count bjs when giving a ballpark estimate.) Sort of like how a good rule of thumb is to triple whatever # a girl tells you.

Anyway, it started with PUA types of things in order to have a set rubric for initiating conversations with women and to get over approach and social anxieties. Practice practice practice in social settings got me more and more comfortable. I've consistently maintained a decent physique. What I've learned was that being in shape and decent looking (albeit short and shy) meant nothing without confidence and comfort in social settings and around women (i.e., PRACTICE).

[–]theislander849-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I did.

Fuck... you gotta be more specific than "what are your experiences?"

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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