I Had Lunch with the Chad I Hated Today

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I Had Lunch with the Chad I Hated Today


Picture the worst loser you ever met.

Acne, glasses, hair that looks like his Mom cut it, dyel body...

Now multiply that by 2X and that's me in College.

Now picture my counterpart, let's call him Chang for shits and giggles.

6'2", chiseled jaw, cool haircut, abs, social butterfly

Only thing we had in common is that we were both Asian...

He was good with girls and I hated him for it. Hated him more than anyone else. It was one thing when a white guy or black guy was good with girls, but to see an Asian guy do it, it just brought out that crab bucket beta out of me like nothing else.

I did not want to see this guy succeed. His every success reminded me of my own failure. Kind of like Samuel L Jackson’s character in Django Unchained rofl.

I remember getting super drunk at a party one time. It was my final desperate attempt to take the spotlight away from him.

I approached every girl there like a retard, hammered out of my mind, thinking that I was being the man for being so KAWNFIDUNT but actually creeping people out, now that I look back at it.

Chang used a wire coat hanger to restrain me as he wrestled my drunk foolish ass out of the building.


So what did I do?

I worked my butt off for 12 hours a day every day for the rest of my college years until I surpassed him!!!

Just kidding!!! Lol

Instead, I took the easy way out and immersed myself in video games for the next 3 years of college.

Meanwhile, Chang was getting pussy left and right, hot girls girls of every race. How do I know? Because his dorm was right across from mine.

I remember sitting there in my dorm playing DOTA like the antisocial phaggot I was. Meanwhile every time I passed by Chang’s dorm room, I saw hot girls playing with his hair (as in actually digging their fingers into his hair and combing it), having flirty conversations...

“Man fuck this guy,” I thought to myself. “He’s not even proud of his race. He’s just a whitewashed piece of shit!”

Now let’s fast forward 10 years after graduation.

I had been working on myself like a mofo

Took a lot longer than others but I finally got shredded at the gym, courtesy of heavy compound lifts (and Testing my Limits Anavar giving up)

Read everything I could get my hands on regarding social dynamics, including everything on RedPill, just about every self help book you can imagine from Think and Grow Rich to How to Win Friends and Influence People.

Even hired several coaches in the opening stages since nothing I was doing in the field was working and I needed guidance to overcome my own blindspots

Finally things started coming together and I got competent at cold approach. Competent enough to spin several plates at the same time.

Competent enough to not have everything be a giant numbers game anymore because I finally figured out how to bring the “Maybe” girls from “maybe” to “fuck yes”instead of only banging girls who were highly receptive from the beginning.

At this point, I decided to call it mission accomplished with girls and start my own business. Ironically enough this just made it even easier to get girls. Funny how working on yourself plays out like that.

Recently I saw that Chang got engaged so I commented “grats man” on his post, while snickering inside thinking I’d finally surpassed him

And you know what happened? “Long time no see Karl, we should grab lunch some time to catch up!”

Fast forward to yesterday and I’m sitting across from Chang, the guy that was always in the back of my mind as this great Nemesis.

And to my surprise, he turned out to be a pretty cool guy.

He’s actually the first Asian guy I talked to that didn’t have a crab bucket mentality and try to drag me down when we got past the small talk and started talking about how we really saw the world.

We could finally relate to each other. Talked about how you gotta tease girls when they act bitchy and their icy exterior will melt right off, how you gotta sexualize subtlety from the very beginning, etc

Topics that if I even began to approach with my old friends would get weird looks...

He was making a killing in CyberSecurity.

And settled down with a beautiful Asian girl.

I asked him why when he was banging so many hot girls of all races in college and he said that as far as he’s aware, every Asian guy who grew up in the west has this fantasy of banging hot whites girls to prove his masculinity

It’s just something every minority goes through, to prove himself “worthy”.

Some guys give up and just play video games instead

Some put in the work and succeed.

But Chang said that at the end of the day it’s about compatibility, finding someone that’s actually gonna support your bigger goals and not just be a waste of time.

He said that he used to be the same way, fucking hot girls for validation from society or even to just prove himself worthy but now he honestly just wants to get married to someone who’s chill and supports his goals (as long as there’s an ironclad prenup lol)

I realized that Chang and I weren’t so different after all.

I asked him how he figured things out so quickly without having to read a million articles on RedPill and he said that he was lucky enough to have a really good high school football coach who taught him everything he knows about masculinity in a western culture.

Damn. I thought you were a Natural bro... is every natural just someone who grew up with positive male role models and learned game at an earlier age than everyone else?

And we both laughed about how Asian guys here just play video games all day and race whine on Reddit instead of actually working hard to improve their situation.

How they have the worst crab bucket mentality ever and all act like Samuel L Jackson in Django Unchained (I was one of them)

Long story short, we became friends and even started planning out businesses we could go into together once we accomplish our individual goals

Lessons Learned

Like a lot of other guys here, somewhere deep in the back of my mind, I had this revenge fantasy of showing former Chads in my life how much progress I made.

It’s the classic “revenge of the nerds” fantasy where the high school jock is now flipping burgers and you have hot girls in both arms.

But life doesn’t really work that way.

Chads tend to get into good fraternities in College and things just snowball from there.

In everything.

Girls, finance, social circle...

Their good looks open a lot of doors that were closed to you, as long as they’re willing to put in the work.

So yes, if that revenge fantasy is gonna help you grind out one more rep at the gym and scream “FUCK YOU CHAD!” At the end of the set, by all means use that anger for fuel.

Just don’t be surprised when you have to cut off all your old friends who keep dragging you down.

And find that you actually relate to Chad more now.

P.S. And no, I didn’t suck Chang’s dick, no homo lmao

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Title I Had Lunch with the Chad I Hated Today
Author ForeverKarlMalone
Upvotes 928
Comments 111
Date 13 December 2020 04:33 PM UTC (4 months ago)
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[–]Mexican-Slave411 points412 points  (3 children) | Copy

My Man, you are also competent as a storyteller. I found myself immersed in your story from the very start and consistent until the end. Really good.

[–]lietruth85 points86 points  (0 children) | Copy

Each line is a new thought.

It's an excellent way of writing, how he's split up the story thought by thought.

[–]AceMav2137 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah unlike a lot of the rambie shit

[–]1arakouzo292 points293 points  (16 children) | Copy

A lot of guys fall into the trap of hating "Chad". They tell themselves that sure, Chad is hot and gets all the girls and sex, but he's a real asshole and one day, he'll end up washed up and a loser.

That's hardly ever the case. Because not only is Chad hot and socially skilled. He's going to the same colleges the not-Chads are, getting the same engineering and computer and business degrees, and with his looks and social skills, he's going on to get good jobs and make money just like the non-Chads. And most "Chad" guys end up having normal marriages and families. The only difference between Chad and not-Chad is that Chad got to have fun casual sex growing up while not-Chad was a loser.

And 9 times out of 10, "Chad" is actually a decent guy who's cool to know. Who would have worked out with you, helped you meet girls, told you where the parties were, and so on. Chad was never an asshole. Not-Chad who hated him was the asshole the whole time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorForeverKarlMalone[S] 71 points72 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said couldn’t have written it better myself captured my thoughts better than me

[–]covok4824 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent analysis as always. Wish I had this sub 20 years ago.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

People crab on the boogeyman of Chad for similar reasons they hate women.

They imagine Chad as gifted, a guy who never did anything and had everything.

That's very rarely the reality.

[–]zino1938 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's about the entitlement mentality of the new generations. THey have been told they deserve basic human kindness, love, attention.

Sorry - society lied. You are the wierd one, the school shooter, the actual hateful bad guy.

[–]18cmOfGreatness6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

It depends on a person, really. Some Chads are cool dudes, but some guys are at the same time are both assholes and Chads. It is especially the case for high school where bullies and jerks are the ones who get the most action with girls (there are multiple studies that prove it). The difference though - they rarely end up in a high-end college. Usually, being an aggressive asshole is associated with lower intelligence and different social values. Often those guys end up being those "criminal bad boys". They still get laid many times more than an average dude, but they rarely success financially.

[–]1arakouzo9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

I'd counter that regardless of what walk of life "Chad" is a part of, the problem is normally with not-Chad.

In addition to an inability to get laid or interact properly with women, one of the biggest tells of a low quality guy is that he has no clue how to interact with other men.

When Chad and all of the cool guys hate you, and you are unable to interact well with those men, that is an indication of your own low social skills.

You know those guys at bars and parties who are kind of off and creepy? Like, they seem normal enough, but they're only talking to women and not really interacting with the other guys, and when other guys talk to them, they're never quite a part of the conversation and never know what to say and don't seem like they're having a good time? That is creepy as shit and women notice. Guys who don't get along well with other guys and get shit on by other guys are being outed as having poor social skills and low value.

[–]18cmOfGreatness1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

When it comes to high schools, then this is rarely about "social skills". It is more about your willingness to escalate a conflict. Which will end in a fight very often. So basically hierarchy between boys in a high school usually created like this: there are physically (and/or mentally) weak boys without a group to back them up and then there are athletic guys and/or a group of aggressive boys who'll support each other and gang up on their victims. And then the aggressive group raises its own status by humiliating those who are weaker than them. This is a basic strategy for primates, in a way, bullying is just how primates establish hierarchy. If a school has good teachers then they'll prevent formation of any aggressive group, but even then there could be this one boy who is bigger than everyone else and isn't afraid of the repercussions of just threatening everyone with force. Sometimes this type of behavior just carries over to colleges.

As about those "creepy guy" - they could as well be very natural and interesting when they are in a comfortable situation, for example having fun with their nerdy friends. Most people DO have social skills, they just can't use them in a situation they find uncomfortable. This is more about social anxiety than skills and of course it makes them lose their frame and be unattractive. But you really over-estimate the so-called "social skills". This is more about your frame, how you perceive any particular situation.

[–]1arakouzo4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's important not to fall into the trap of making excuses for yourself or other unfortunate guys.

The world does not care whether you are a good guy in other situations or whether you have hidden value that is not evident in this situation right now. A normal person with normal value and normal social aptitude is able to function in a non-ideal social situation and continue looking normal, valuable, and therefore non-creepy and potentially worthy of sex and attention from women.

We're not talking about how a guy acts when the aliens invade and how dare he be at a loss in such an extreme situation. We're talking about totally normal situations. Being out at a bar with normal dudes instead of hanging with nerdy friends isn't some kind of extreme situation that a normal person has trouble adapting to.

[–]18cmOfGreatness0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

By definition "normal" means average or majority. And the vast majority of guys aren't comfortable approaching women or being alone in a club. Most people, men or women, are rather wary of strangers. And when it comes to clubs and bars it depends on how often you are going there.

[–]1arakouzo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've noticed that guys around here tend to very seriously underestimate the average man.

The average man with average looks and average social skills tends to have average success when it comes to relationships and casual sex. The average man goes out an average amount of time and has no problems being social in a social setting because that's what average people do. Sometimes he gets lucky, sometimes he doesn't. But the average man has some success with relationships and some success with casual sex.

This is the average man.

But if you ask some of the socially stunted men around here, they think that the average man goes out and doesn't talk to anybody for fear that they'll be weirded out or wary, and that the average man never has casual sex and only the top 0.0001% of men ever do that, and that the average man freezes up or is clueless when interacting with women, and that the average man struggles as much as they do with relationships and sex.

That is not so. If your sex life is below average, it is because you are below average.

[–]18cmOfGreatness0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, dude. Just google statistics

An average man fucks less than 7 women in his whole life, fucking think about it - 7 women! And this is counting dudes like me who fucked 100+ women, this is also counting dudes who buy hookers (actually you can see that in some countries an average number of partners can be as high as 15 - usually those are countries where prostitution is legal) and counting dudes who fuck a lot in college. A socially active man who isn't afraid of approaching women will fuck at least 10 of them per year even if he is fat and ugly. You overestimate average men way too much, you give them way too much credit.

In 90% cases the only difference between an average man and a "socially stunted man" is in their luck in high school and social circle, plus their professional choice. Take any random dude, make him a DJ in a night club and he'll get laid a ton. Take any average dude, make him study for a profession which is male-oriented in a college without any women and he'll struggle with getting laid.

Most men get sex in their life just because they went to parties while in high school and college, sometimes they were lucky enough to befriend some girls in their class. But there are also guys who go to colleges where gender distribution is 1 girl per 10 dudes or worse and of course they'll struggle. Most men don't get laid in clubs and bars, they get laid through social circle they just got by luck. This is reality. And those who aren't lucky enough to get in such social circle either should work hard on creating it (by finding hobbies where they can meet women) or learn how to get women from clubs, streets or Tinder. Most guys who try to learn pickup aren't some sort of autistic incels, they just don't have access to any social circle with enough women in it. This is why when advices like "find hobbies where you can meet more women" get posted on Seddit and here they are always upvoted and men tell their stories how they, at last, were able to get laid after struggling for years, lol. If you don't have looks or charisma then your best bet is to get laid through social circle like 90% of men do. An average dude just don't have any other option. At most he'll fuck some landwhale from a club and Tinder is just a waste of time for him.

This is why it is actually easy to get laid and even PUAs with their ineffective shit can fuck 100+ women eventually. Competition barely exists. If most men weren't socially awkward pussies then you'd see them approaching hotties on streets all the time, but through my whole life I've seen about 5 attempts from other men to approach a random woman at day. And in clubs? I can't remember the last time I've seen any sober guy approaching a female stranger. Most men need alcohol to approach women without stuttering.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Arakouzo, I am 40y old and you kind of describing me with this post. I am good with girls and being solo with them, but as soon as I am with real dominant males I feel really uncomfortable. Also in larger groups.

As 18cmOfGreatness mentioned... I am good in my geeky circle of friends or co-workers, but would love to feel good and confortable in ANY social circle.

Do you have any tips on how to get better at this? Any books?

[–]1arakouzo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't read books on how to make friends. Just hang out with guys.

Take up a martial art like bjj and go roll with a bunch go guys 3 times a week for a year, and you can't help learning a few things about them. Invite your neighbors over to watch MMA or sporting events. Start a neighborhood poker group.

And pay attention. Actually remember what people do for a living and ask follow up questions to learn more plus help yourself remember.

You get better at hanging with guys by hanging with guys.

[–]________O0O________2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is what opens the nerds’ eyes. If they only get ready to understand another’s perspective.

[–]DareyFathom4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of guys fall into the trap of hating "Chad". They tell themselves that sure, Chad is hot and gets all the girls and sex, but he's a real asshole and one day, he'll end up washed up and a loser.

Precisely what many men on here tell themselves about women too. When in reality, plenty of them end up never receiving negative consequences for their careless actions either.

And 9 times out of 10, "Chad" is actually a decent guy who's cool to know.

I'd say "Chads" are more random than women in regards to their attractiveness relative to their other traits (with women I view it as an indirect negative relationship). But by no means do I think they will be any more likely to be decent guys. That's rather optimistic. Especially referring to younger men that can still get away with relying heavily on genetic gifts rather than consequences of years of choices.

[–]jessekene107 points108 points  (5 children) | Copy

Completely believe lots of naturals have good positive masculine role models. Another strong reason why Dads are important.

[–]vulgar_display_41 points42 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, I notice that not all, but most of the guys I know who fall into the “beta”/BP category as we describe it here are either fatherless or have a father that inwardly projects those same traits. I’m not hating on them because well no one could choose their parents (or lack thereof), but you can’t deny that there’s a pattern.

My Dad is an asshole. Blue-collar, works in construction, smokes a pack a day, 100% Italian-American old world values of “you don’t work, you don’t eat.” He rarely shows pity and is a believer in tough love. But you know what? I was so fucking lucky to have a Dad like that, because if I didn’t, there’s a big chance I’d end up just like OP’s former college self.

Growing up I wasn’t naturally athletic or socially adept. I had to build those skills on my own, and it wasn’t until I was about 20 (when I put on some significant size and my confidence skyrocketed) that I began to understand my own sense of masculinity. And, although my Dad is an asshole who I love begrudgingly (and who has failed in other ways), I wouldn’t trade him in for the world. Because without that positive, “traditional” male voice in my life, I wouldn’t have had the tenacity to develop the physique or any of the other life skills that allow me to do well today.

If I had a Dad that played too heavily into my early feelings of inequity, and never held me accountable, I would’ve developed an inescapable victim complex. Like I said, I see this in a few guys I’m acquainted with. They’ll either become too feminized from having an overly permissive and liberal Mom, or they’ll act up and try to emulate what they see as masculinity, and it ends up hurting them in the process. (Think or the unfortunate but underlying issue in many communities of young black men, and how they try to understand their own masculinity w/o always having that strong male voice).

[–]jessekene13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Relate to this heavily. Have a traditional African dad. Very positive, but has its negatives.

[–]The_King_Hudson2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can agree with this. My dad is a chad, and was a great rolemodel when I was growing up, but unfortunately he divorced my mum by the time I was 11, and I had to go live with her for the rest of my upbringing. Barely ever saw him, and with hindsight, I can see how that might have beta-fied me. But you shouldn't regret those experiences because it's ultimately lead us to this point.

[–]Casanova-Quinn4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s usually the case in my experience. I used to have a barber who was a natural chad. Eastern European, mid 20s, jacked, tatted, and always dressed sharp. Banged lots of hot girls, he’d show me on his phone. When we talked women it was clear he followed RP philosophy. One time we got to talking about his upbringing and he said his grandfather and uncle taught him everything about women.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

absolutely. my dad was a fucking superhero growing up to me. the absolute epitome of masculinity. I try to live up to his example as much as possible.

[–]Mustang101123 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chang the Asian Chad.

Also yes, if you have a positive male example growing up in a traditional home with strong values on gender roles as well as being emotionally grounded, growing up/success is more likely. Like you OP I had someone I compared myself with throughout life since being kids and he grew up with a loving supporting family complete opposite of me. His path was far less difficult to his very early success due to having that guidance but this made me appreciate my path that much more and stop "hating" him. We don't in fact hate the ones we think are natural Chads, we hate ourselves for not knowing but as the saying goes, you don't know what you don't know. Great post OP. For Chang's sake though I hope he doesn't actually sign that marriage contract....

[–]DidYouUseAJimmy125 points126 points  (9 children) | Copy

Playing Dota is chad behavior, don’t let anyone tell you different

[–]Sweetune18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah league is the virgin behaviour

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy

But JUST playing DOTA is not great either.

Gotta mix it up with some COD and here you go

[–]3LiveAFTSOV16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank God there's another Chad in this thread. Been on dat ancient grind :')

[–]halflotus22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro rn I’m only at 2/3 for my vault this week. I know them real Chads at 3/3. 😅

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[–]DidYouUseAJimmy17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Video games are to be enjoyed, not a life accomplishment, low mmr ftw

[–]Zehinoc8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

All these chads claiming mid and pinging "> We need wards"

[–]sohazey3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can practice your chadness by instapicking mid every game. That's a true chad move.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chang was never your nemesis, as you were your own worst enemy. Your envy and seething resentment corrupted your young mind. Glad you overcame that sh!t and managed to evolve into a competent adult worthy of female attraction.

Chad is the myth in our minds that we comparatively don't measure up. He becomes the motivation to do better or the excuse to stop trying. You chose well.

[–]Tek_Analyst16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post, great story telling.

Chang is right. Once you achieve your goal of being able to somewhat effortlessly fuck women it becomes more than that.

If you should choose the path of “settling down” with someone who does nothing but support you. Make sure you pass on the knowledge to your son (if you have one).

That is how you make a difference in the world for generations to come.

[–]throwabcdaway479 points80 points  (6 children) | Copy

Damn. I thought you were a Natural bro... is every natural just someone who grew up with positive male role models and learned game at an earlier age than everyone else?

Some pretty natural exist, but i think modern society has a tendency to isolate too much young people in general so there are increasigly more clueless people ...

Nice story. You'll probably gonna get downvoted by all the incels tho.

[–]ElegantCyclist19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Coaches and other mentors also tend to be good at spotting who has potential to improve and who is closed off to growth.

[–]CleanLength1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Télécharge un clavier en anglais.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Specially these days - «Stay safe, stay inside». Living is lethal though

[–]tomsmith85642 points43 points  (8 children) | Copy

White girls are the most overrated of all the girls in the world. Ain't nothing impressive about that pink poon

[–]ShrekthCharge14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmfao. Thought I was the only one who thought this

[–]zUltimateRedditor13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not to fetishize, but by God does “jungle fever” intensify as you get older.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Dude I went black when I was 14 in high-school and never went back.

[–]zUltimateRedditor7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

My man.

Soooooo criminally underrated.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Soooooo criminally underrated.

Bro. According to some sexual selection studies, Black / Brown women are the least desired race of them all.

This is perfect. More fat round brown asses for guys like us to squeeze on. And you know I'm sure there's alot to squeeze.

[–]zUltimateRedditor5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Honestly man, that’s how I’ve been keeping myself satisfied recently.

I’m not white, I’m a brown man myself, and a lot of black chicks who aren’t used to brown guys flirting with them are surprised when I show interest, so it’s pretty easy pickings.

And absolute yes to your comment! Feels so good!

[–]lattematchaboy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

A fellow brown dude who has Jungle Fever

Edit : I lost my v card to a black girl really recently

[–]TheOffice_Account31 points32 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, good piece.

Random, but someone wanna expand on this?

how you gotta sexualize subtly

Throw in a random, "aw, you're cute" or "aren't you being bratty today" + smirk every once in a while?

How would you do this?

[–]WB2E66 points67 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wrote a post about this on another private forum - this is sexualizing in general but you'll see what's subtle and what's overt. I'll just bullet point a lot of it:

  • Insinuate sexual stuff. Misinterpret things she says or does as being sexual. If she looks at your shoes and compliments them, "Hey, my eyes are up here" with a smile. Or if she touches you "You just can't keep your hands off me huh?" with a smile.
  • Physical attractiveness. Workout, have a nice body, wear fitted clothing to show off nice body, wear cologne, groom well.
  • Non-verbals. Strong, sexual eye contact. Deep, slow, calm, sexy voice. Relaxed body language and posture.
  • Frame and attitude. The mindset that you're a masculine, dominant alpha male and she's a feminine, submissive girl, and that polarity creates the sexual tension.
  • Kino. Physical escalation starting off with incidental and conversational kino leading to direct and sexual kino.
  • Direct verbal sexual conversation. This one is new for me but I've been doing it lately. Asking direct questions about sexual topics such as: When did you have your first kiss? Do you have any fetishes? Have you ever kissed a girl? Are you a good kisser? Etc. This direct verbal sexualizing needs to be calibrated when she's more comfortable, and ideally after you've already done the above to set a sexual tone.

[–]Endorsed ContributorForeverKarlMalone[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Great advice

[–]4everrekt9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Watch and learn from Craig Ferguson clips. Essentially purposefully misinterpret what they say, and act like they were coming into you

[–]z-man201711 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

What happened to your Democracy Part 2? You posting it somewhere else?

[–]Endorsed ContributorForeverKarlMalone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Currently working with mods to get the issue resolved

[–]klayser_Soze22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good piece. I’ll take it to heart.

[–]Flesh_Pillow510 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

So freaking good!!!!!!! As a black dude it's crazy how your reality intersects with mine and more than likely with our paler bros. Love

[–]zUltimateRedditor6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

MoC have a lot more in common between us than we think. Way too much division.

[–]Every-Performance98524 points25 points  (8 children) | Copy

Indian Chad here or what you would call Chadpreet, I do well with women of all races despite being a FOB

The biggest haters haven’t been white guys or black guys(some white betas are jelly though) but it’s been Brown/Asian men and women

They cockblock, spread rumours and make my life all around miserable.. They can not stand to see a guy who’s supposed to be a loser like them living it up. If they dropped their hate and actually tried to befriend me, they’d see that I’m a cool guy and probably learn a thing or two about women

Good on you on completing your journey and accepting his friendship. Many of these Chad/Chang’s are lonely despite drowning in pussy. It’s hard for us to make male friendships as our success with women brings about envy in other men

[–]idonthavtitsbcimaguy9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not really dude. Genuine Chads aren’t that lonely. Cool guys know that if you’re a cool guy it’s pretty easy to make male friendships. Especially in college.

[–]Every-Performance98514 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s easy to make those superficial friendships where people are using you for social proof

It’s hard to meet a guy who you can deeply connect with, especially if you’re also somewhat nerdy.. For you to be good friends with a guy, he also has to be able to pull.However most guys who pull aren’t into needy shit

[–]zUltimateRedditor6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude as an ABCD, I would never downplay the success of a fellow brown.

FOBs slay way more then ABCD men. Whenever y’all date out, you have the hottest babes curled around your arms.

More power to you brother. Those looks aren’t always negative.

[–]Every-Performance9852 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man... I’ve seen you around in Abcdesis ;-)

[–]Remarkable0033 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Paaji, a new chela here, thodda gyaan baato!! 😂🙏😂🙏 Share your journey, please!

[–]Every-Performance98512 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nothing special... Read the sidebar and apply

Lift, make money and approach

[–]gELSK2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indian Chad here or what you would call Chadpreet

For whatever reason this killed me. Well played.

[–]ogkushinjapan7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Vice versa with Asian Girls dating White Guys but eventually settling for an Asian Guy. However for the love of GayLubeOil please do not be “that Asian guy” settling to be a cuck. Tons of young Asian hunnies out there.

[–]Gorillaz_Inc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Those girls belong in the streets.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

is every natural just someone who grew up with positive male role models and learned game at an earlier age than everyone else?

Great realization.

I had this revenge fantasy of showing former Chads in my life how much progress I made.

But life doesn’t really work that way.

Just dont be surprised to find that you actually relate to Chad more now.

Dang. Too real, too true. To relatable.

Great post -- your one mistake was giving up DotA. If you figure out how to do everything you did (lift, study, get laid) AND play DotA, then you are a true God.

[–]reddick12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]MatingAdvice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TIL. It's one of the most iconic songs of the time and I never knew it was about Dota. Mindblown.

[–]The_King_Hudson4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good for you, dude. You stopped being a hater, and became the player.

And it's good you went off to do your own thing and cultivate yourself, instead of potentially befriending Chad in the beginning, and living in his shadow. Although you undoubtedly would have learned a lot from being around him, ultimately you'd resent him the whole time too, and that would affect your growth. So you chose to use him as a source of motivation instead.

As for being a natural, that all starts when you're a kid. You can become like a natural through years of learning, approach, hookups and experience, but a true natural doesn't theoretically understand the game he's playing - he just plays.

That's how I was as a kid. I don't remember being taught anything about girls, other than through my own interest, courage and experience. In fact, girls weren't intimidating to me as a kid - they were a source of fun, and I got a thrill out of hooking up, or holding a girlfriend's hand. There was never fear involved, or an obstructive thought process going on - it's just how I was. Or it's just how we should all be, but eventually shit bogs you down, trauma may happen, you begin to use your brain and sometimes not for your benefit and this is what can fuck us up.

BUT... The Red Pill teaches you to not only tap back into that primal, inherent nature that we all possess, but it goes further and teaches us that there's more to all of this than just hooking up with girls. So, in a way, you can learn to be natural again, but you'll be more powerful for going through the painful process of learning it, and developing yourself.

[–]arted1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Super excellent post mate. I'm a white guy, but have a bunch of Indian friends who are tortured daily due to their lack of understanding what cultural difference is.

[–]what_cube1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Asian here FOB 2 years ago. Thank you for telling your story.
I would like to kinda share mine as well, because of TheRedPill I manage to come to the States. Keep grinding brother.

[–]zUltimateRedditor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Please do. I love hear pan-Asian success stories in the west.

[–]Impossible_Position91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This does my heart good, and the reference to the crab bucket mentality was key. Im a newcomer to Reddit, and I’ve been surprised at how much of it you see here on this subreddit.

Made me feel old, though. I was redpilled in 1997...and i don’t know what the hell DOTA is.

[–]PolemosLogos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most Chad types are cool and generally friendly but if you have a chip on your shoulder about all of the pussy he’s getting that you think you deserve then you will single yourself out as a weirdo. I felt the same way until I went to college and realized we’re all in charge of our own lives, being bitter is a waste of your energy. Especially when you are young.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't hate the Chad. Be the Chad.

If you hate Chad you can only do one thing, hate Chad.

If you are Chad you can do anything you want to.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The wc3 dota? No wonder you weren't getting any puss

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

P.S. And no, I didn’t suck Chang’s dick, no homo lmao

Yeah yeah... we all know you took his tiny yellow wang in the ass like a champ.

I hope you were screaming "It's not gay if you leave your boots on" from the start to his creamy finish.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Strength Sports during teenage is critical...great write up man

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

so what's the lesson we should gather from this story then?

[–]1girldaily0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Really liked this post. I identified with it a lot and finally I did overcome

[–]anonymouscausefuckU0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best post I’ve seen on this sub. I’m new to TRP and agree with the general ideas behind it but often find some of the negative tone of a lot of posts here a bit off-putting, so it’s really great to come across posts like these which have a much more inspirational tone. Glad to hear things are going well for you! Keep it up 💪🏻😤💯

[–]covok480 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great story & lesson. Makes me happy to read this sub.

[–]zUltimateRedditor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Amazing. I shall be following your posts from now on.

[–]entrep40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That was wholesome af. Love it.

[–]psychopeon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is well written. Great to see you've grown from it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great story. Really shows how easy it can be to hate on success and how rewarding it is to let go of delusions and comfort and become the man you were meant to be

[–]ZollJo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


nice to hear. I was expecting a revenge-story, but this is really wholesome. You made peace with your nemesis, something that even most superheros can't accomplish.

Congrats and all the best.

[–]Z0mbs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Finally a good fucking read. This sub has really lowered in quality lately.

[–]MagnumBurrito0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Start a memoir ala Nick Krauser. I'd buy and read it. Great writing

[–]OG_walrus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck, this post is too good. Who cares about women when you can read these posts all day?

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Next level, man. That kind of transformation is rare, and takes guts.

[–]thebluthbananas2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy

Damn dude great post. I too have that exact fantasy about the asshole who bullied and beat me up mercilessly in school becoming a failure while I become a badass and mock him. Instead the opposite has happened -- I have become a total failure meanwhile he has rich parents so he managed to make it out of this third world country and is now in the first world attending one of the most elite schools and set to land an amazing job while I'm stuck rotting here for a while yet. It just keeps popping into my head how I could fuck with him maybe by making fake photos of him and sending them to his college Dean to get him expelled or something. The hate and desire for revenge just keeps eating away at me and I don't know what to do. I have tried to channel it in the gym and it's worked a bit but it still hasn't stopped....what do I do?

[–]howsthiscocainesmell6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you the best version of yourself you can be? No? Then there’s no need for that anger fuel to stop. Just don’t throw it at his ass while you wallow in your sorrows. Channel it and use it to perfect yourself.

[–]Cautious_Number_953 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hate and desire wont get you anywhere lol

If his dean expels him you get an ego boost hes out of college but his rich parents bail him out and you get fucked over yet again.

You will keep rotting if you think like this but I dont blame you. But i blame you for not getting out of it

So many people self sabotage themselves everyday its mind blowing. I do it too and I hate it when I do it- overthinking about pointless things that will never happen. Its fucked up but it is what it is i guess.

Just got to accept that we have fucked up thoughts and move on with our lives.

[–]thebluthbananas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So just kinda squash it down and ignore it? That's pretty much what I do but it just never goes away...

[–]Mustang10112 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Stop focusing on that guy because I promise you he is not focused on you. Accept and understand that your circumstances are just that, circumstances. The universe works itself out for people that treat others shitty so if he really was a bully, karma will do the job for you. Pick a skill that's marketable and build on it.

[–]Cautious_Number_950 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Theres a high possibility OP was just a pussy and said bully was just doing banter.

[–]Mustang10110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Which is very likely. I just see it as, at some point every man goes through a weak phase to learn. Some young, some old.

[–]thebluthbananas-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Do you believe in karma? I personally wish I did but I've seen too many assholes prosper and too many good people fuck over to continue to believe....

[–]Cautious_Number_951 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To you it may seem what they were doing were wrong. To them it may be right or they very likely didnt give a fuck about it. And perhaps had the best intentions aswell.

Karma is real. Someone may do something wrong and get fucked up by something that wasnt likely to happen to em.

Problem with 'good people' getting fucked over is that many people fuck themselves up. The world doesnt do shit to em. Sure they are good but to succeed being 'good' alone doesnt exactly work.

[–]Mustang10110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, at the end of the day you have to ignore where everyone else is and focus on you. The universe rewards those who do and forgets those who don't. I'm not here to debate ethics. You asked so I answered. It is what it is.

[–]Sumsar010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Try to beat him. It will only go away when you dont care anymore. So focus on yourself.

[–]tropicislandexplorer0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I disagree with some of the other people on here. If you can totally get away with it, go the revenge route. I did, made me feel a lot better. It's like closure. It won't be as satisfying as surpassing him in life, but it's better than nothing.

[–]thebluthbananas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah I really wanna do it...my only concern is if in any way he finds out it was me he could really fuck me over because his parents are really powerful people. But if I do it I'm hinging on the assumption that if he's such an asshole he's bullied many others as well, not just me. So if it does happen there's no way of him figuring out it was me because as far as he knows there are many who are pissed off with him. But I dunno......

[–]tropicislandexplorer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Only do it if you're sure you can't get caught. Do it yourself, tell no one, plan it out perfectly so that there's no possible way it could be traced back to you.

[–]CleanLength0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably fake or highly embellished, but it was engaging and didactic. I mildly enjoyed it.

[–]toga000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmaoooo! Spent so many years hating on someone for no reason. At least you grew out of it. But I would really hate to associate myself with you. You'll probably do the same if someone's business is doing better than yours. Probably the time to want to see others do good but never better than them.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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