Jump on over to FDS and notice how they call men "scrotes". If it's not them it's some other sub calling us incels or whatever the flavor of the day is. It's never "men". I mean they may use that word sometimes but the overall theme and tone of the subs pushes women to come up with keywords like HVM. Not man. Just HVM, LVM, etc.

Then they take it to the next level and treat their sons in dehumanizing ways. Stuff like "I don't want my sons to grow up to be an LVM so I made them wrap Christmas presents. They're going to learn to appreciate what a woman does.". I was actually one of those sons so I am speaking from personal experience. Instead of a loving mother I had a narcissist abuser pushing an agenda on me like I'm some animal to be shaped into her model of whateveritscalled. Zero thought goes into the fact that this is a human being... it's just a tool or toy for a woman to have at her disposal. I wasn't taught how to wrap presents so that I would have that skill and be more successful... I was taught it because a woman wanted to hear praise to feed her narcissism.

We kinda have a manosphere now and we kinda communicate with each other now and we're beginning to identify things that affect us and offer advice on how to change it. I see this dehumanization as a problem. If you know your history, abuse starts with dehumanization. You can't murder a room full of people unless you think they're inferior or Jews or blacks or whatever. Similarly, you can't abuse a man unless you dehumanize him into a "scrote" or "incel" or whatever.

Trust me when I say I'm not an "incel" with "mommy issues". I'm happily married, have kids, successful, done therapy, etc. I'm one of those outside observers looking in. Like a 3rd party. I see things in a different way from someone on the front lines. I have knowledge of the history of online dating as firsthand experience and I've watched the transformation of the womanosphere over decades. I was fortunate to know women who lived in the depression era and catalogued their life experiences. Some men too. I've lived in vastly different societies with different cultures, laws, and norms. I don't live in my mom's basement. I don't play video games. I didn't get rejected by all women and get angry. Interactions I've had with women were people like my mother, sisters, aunts, grandmas, wife, etc. I did my fair share of dating and fucking in my teens.

The question before us is: are we dehumanized by women? What's the logical answer? Is MGTOW the answer in the long term? Should we withhold commitment? Call them out? Walk away? etc. I don't know the answer and I suppose it can vary from person to person but the overarching problem remains.