"Watch what women do, don't listen to what they say" doesn't work because you're not observing women in general. You're observing the women you want and the men you envy.

Slyfer_Seven · 2021-01-26T15:21:14+00:00

Weighting a person's actions over their words is good general advice and definitely applies to the interactions between men and women. To say otherwise is to be very ignorant of human nature

Hell, you point out that what men say doesn't match their actions with regards to sluts, you don't believe that works with women too?

Jaktenba · 2021-01-26T23:14:22+00:00

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Brainless-Wonder · 2021-01-26T20:19:01+00:00

You’re doing the exact same thing you’re criticizing men for doing - only observing a small group of men complaining and making it into a generalized claim about the world at large.

You’re right, men here and on subs relating to the general “manosphere” tend to base their opinions on a small contingent of party sluts, gold diggers, and OF performers. However, upon leaving the internet for a bit, or even just going to a different relationship sub here, you’ll find many, many men that do have and happily discuss their happy, fulfilling relationships and dating/sex lives. What you see here doesn’t apply to men in general; many of the posters here are of the terminally online variety and view life as such.

Quite a few young men want thots and love porn/strippers because yes, young men are the horniest demographic imaginable and society condones it. However many young men also are in happy relationships; this is not a priority for all of them. Expand your circle more and you’ll find this.

To respond more directly to the title: Of course it works, but provided that you’ve sampled an accurate and diverse representation of women acting under many possible scenarios. Actions are always a more accurate indicator than words, but to make a claim as universal as yours requires a much greater scope and a more refined heuristic than whatever you seem to be basing your opinions on. If you see a large variety of women from all sorts of demographics acting the same way, then why would you discount it?

Demasii · 2021-01-26T16:22:36+00:00

Why watch woman on what she does vs say within the context of dating if the man don't want to date them?

BossTerrier · 2021-01-26T15:32:07+00:00

What are you talking about?

These things are so far from being connected

“You can’t judge women by their actions over their words... because then you’ll judge the wrong women and judge them negatively.”

These two ideas couldn’t be further from connected.

I judge women on actions > words and my views are nothing like this. Calm down. Connecting two unrelated entities

angels-fan · 2021-01-26T15:39:38+00:00

"My boyfriend is such an asshole! I wish I could find a nice guy like you"

"I'm a nice guy like me?"

"Teehee, I could never date you! You're like my brother."

Uhh huh, let's totally listen to what women say.

juliana_san · 2021-01-26T20:06:33+00:00

I think you’re touching on something important and valid but just missing the mark with the argument.

Men make generalizations based on the women who attract their attention / observations, And as a byproduct they observe the men that these women focus on.

Meanwhile they are not noticing or caring about the women who land below their attractiveness threshold.

Women who fall into the not ugly but not attractive bracket are basically invisible.

My guy friends think I’m crazy when I say this but I can point out several instances when we used to go out (RIP) when they don’t even remember talking to or seeing a woman who was average, but can absolutely remember a pretty face.

Also I consider myself average and am constantly having to remind my guy friends that I am in fact also a woman, cause I simply don’t register that way in their heads. Several conversations about dating and sex and not bothering to ask me, a resource right there, for any insight or advice.

That said I agree with many comments that actions always speak louder than words, regardless of gender

purplepilldthrowaway · 2021-01-26T15:38:38+00:00

Simple example: women say they look for kind, respectful men (which is definitely true in specific contexts) but studies show they tend to be sexually attracted to dominant behaviour.

Too many young men just want groupies, fuckbuddy, and thots to have with them within 2 seconds of being in the same room.

Most guys who get into the pickup world just want a girlfriend.

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies is because men observe a small group of women. Particularly, super attractive hyper sexual women.

People generally have types they prefer. I have a specific type myself, e.g. a 7/10 cute girl > a "9/10" victoria's secret model. No sense in observing women outside your target demographic. But it's also just not true that guys in general all want "super attractive hyper sexual women".

I was talking to a dude in a red pill group once and he privately sent me a picture of his oneitis, the "hottest girl he's ever been with", and she was a chubby 4/10.

JohnDoe9564 · 2021-01-26T15:10:58+00:00

Even though men SAY they don't like sluts, that's a bit of lie, because men are the ones funding the sex industry and OnlyFans

An extremely small % of men are even active on these sites and funding these girls lifestyles. They're not representative of men in general.

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world. You never hear them talk about happily married men who love their families.

IME it's the women on this sub who paint the opposite gender in this way. You'd think we're all rapists in hiding the way we're described by some on here.

Seems like you're just strawmanning right now. Not that this behavior is surprising to see.

passepar2t · 2021-01-26T15:57:37+00:00

Y'all are basing your views of all women on observing a small and disgusting minority.

Yes, I know that all of you are doing it. I've observed you doing it!

And I also know that all of you just want hypersexual groupies instead of relationships.

No, I don't know what irony is, if that's so goddamn important to you!

geometersbane · 2021-01-26T15:16:21+00:00

Nope, I am observing women in general. Different age groups, socioeconomic status, lifestyles, etc. Whether or not I want them is determined after the observations. It's a series of case studies from where patterns emerge.

Honing in on the most attractive group of people and extrapolating their traits to the rest of the world is what women do. Same goes for envying.

NotTheBestMoment · 2021-01-26T18:16:00+00:00

It’s a small percentage of men funding these industries, don’t be dense

2021-01-26T21:08:40+00:00

A lot of people keep commenting "actions do speak louder than words" etc. but I think OP's point is that there are a lot more cases of women's words actually aligning with their actions than people make it out to be, not that you should disregard actions.

Hoopy223 · 2021-01-26T15:26:06+00:00

It does if you aren’t stupid. Peoples actions always say more than their words.

ReditGuyToo · 2021-01-27T03:20:21+00:00

You're observing the women you want

Of course! Am I performing a scientific study, or am I just trying to bag the person I'm attracted to like everyone else on the planet?

I'm going to think all Americans are combative trashy people who never know who fathers their children.

All we Americans are combative trashy people. Have you never visited? How do you think Trump got elected? Why do you think Americans are always fighting a bunch of wars at once? Why do you think the largest thing in our government's budget is defense? How do you think garbage like McDonald's and Burger King makes it all over the world? It's not because we are great, intelligent, peaceful people. The good news is America has always been number 1. The bad news is we're number 1 at being idiots.

Even though men SAY they don't like sluts,

Don't know who these men are. I love me some tremendous whores and sluts. No innocents little twits for me, just dirty, dirty whores.

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world.

My reason is I don't know any. All long-term relationships I know are different shades of frustration and misery.

CrabBucketSecurity · 2021-01-26T16:09:39+00:00

I thought that expression was referring to the individual, not the collective.

2021-01-26T16:28:23+00:00

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies

Readers would do well to visit r/blackpillscience, which disproves OP’s entire worldview with rigorous, peer-reviewed scholarship.

is because men observe a small group of women [textbook Stacies, towards whom OP harbors a great deal of resentment]

Naw, I’m undesirable [Pakistani male in the US] and I regularly interact with my [market-determined] looksmatches. AWALT.

John_Oakman · 2021-01-26T18:21:58+00:00

At some point the statistics stops mattering when RL experiences of an individual consistent suggest the opposite, even if said individual follows the advice of said statistics...

2021-01-26T19:52:08+00:00

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world. You never hear them talk about happily married men who love their families. You never hear them talk to husbands who can name more things they like about their wife other than her W.A.P. . Lord forbid a man might actually enjoy his wife's company, not just put up with it just because she fucks him!

How can you prove they are actually happy ? Have you never heard of the saying "Happy wife, happy life"?

BadWrath · 2021-01-27T21:26:56+00:00

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world. You never hear them talk about happily married men who love their families.

I don’t believe such women exist or couples exist. There are f-boys, married men who were begrudgingly settled for or in the process of building resentment toward, and there are single men.

The f-boy understands that the appeal if f-boydom is his unattainability.

The ‘happily-married’ husband is under the illusion that everything is kosher. Most married men experience this stage early on in the relationship. If it’s pre-the-wife’s-wall, this stage doesn’t last very long, as when she catches wind of her other options or starts to become bored, her resentment for the husband will set in. If it post-the-wife’s-wall, this stage lasts a bit longer as her lack of options is likely to encourage the belief that her husband is the best she can get, until a guy with more money or more money and better looks comes around and shows interest.

The single guy is...well...single

You never hear them talk to husbands who can name more things they like about their wife other than her W.A.P. Lord forbid a man might actually enjoy his wife's company, not just put up with it just because she fucks him!

Men don’t enjoy, or rather can’t, enjoy their wife’s company. There is an inverse correlation between the amount of time you spend with a woman and the amount of words you share with a woman, and her attraction to you. Acquaintanceship and friendship are built, attraction is lost. Make no mistake, and Chad’s like myself know this, a woman’s imagination is your best friend. However attractive you may be to a woman, you are always less attractive in person than you are in her imagination. This is why your presence depletes her imagination, and often why women leave men for other men who aren’t even comparable to the men they left. A good husband knows staying out-of-sight means staying in-her-mind, and understands that the best thing he can possibly do for his marriage is work 24/7.

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want. Too many young men just want groupies, fuckbuddy, and thots to have with them within 2 seconds of being in the same room. These young men want instant gratification, so they only focus on men who can get that instant gratification.

Literally no men I know want these women. I’ll tell you something ALL men believe, or are subconsciously scared to believe. The more men your woman is around, the higher the likelihood that she will leave. For that matter, men don’t like sluts, groupies, etc... Men want to screw these women because they know the aforementioned is true, making these women easier to have sex with, but men do NOT want to be in a relationship with these women. I don’t even date women with social media accounts for this exact reason.

I think what’s more likely is that you see these women getting attention from the f-boy types of guys that YOU want relationships with, and project onto most men the actions of the small percentage of guys you want because you’re frustrated that they don’t want you.

Even though men SAY they don't like sluts, that's a bit of lie, because men are the ones funding the sex industry and OnlyFans.

The sex industry is a horrible representation of “what men want”. Again, you’re adjudicating the actions of men through the mind of a woman. It is YOU women who are so biologically programmed to want money, that you deem “whoever a man spends money on, must mean he cares about them”. It’s MEN who are so biologically programmed to want sex, that the only reason we are truly motivated to get money is to purchase sex, be it through a wife, random women gawking over our car, or through just buying a prostitute. So in life, you can always tell what the object of value is to someone, by what they are getting in return for giving something. Women don’t value sex more than they value money, because they will give sex for money. Men don’t value money more than they value sex, because they give money for sex. So the fact that men finance OnlyFans doesn’t mean they love or want the women on their for relationships, it means they want to bust a nut.

Freevoulous · 2021-01-28T13:13:10+00:00

WORD.

Repeat after me: personal anecdotes are meaningless and do not prove a statistically significant trend.

So, unless you literally dated > 100 000 women, your individual experience is meaningless noise.

TheJim66 · 2021-01-26T15:56:27+00:00

AWALT.

Even though men SAY they don't like sluts, that's a bit of lie, because men are the ones funding the sex industry and OnlyFans.

They don't like having RELATIONSHIPS with sluts. We generally like fucking them (or in this case jerking off to them).

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world. You never hear them talk about happily married men who love their families.

We do. And the ones who actually are in relationships like that follow RP tenets, even if they themselves don't realize it.

You never hear them talk to husbands who can name more things they like about their wife other than her W.A.P. .

What does this have to do with us?

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want.

Because respectable good men don't get happy relationships (if they are like that to their wives).

BossTerrier · 2021-01-26T16:49:09+00:00

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies is because men observe a small group of women. Particularly, super attractive hyper sexual women. Why? Because you want them. Even though men SAY they don't like sluts, that's a bit of lie, because men are the ones funding the sex industry and OnlyFans.

Those women are the fastfood of romantic/sexual outlets. They have enduring popularity due to their accessibility, not because they're particularly desirable. Men focusing on women they genuinely want are not going to show disproportionate interest to those girls.

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world. You never hear them talk about happily married men who love their families. You never hear them talk to husbands who can name more things they like about their wife other than her W.A.P. . Lord forbid a man might actually enjoy his wife's company, not just put up with it just because she fucks him!

That's because we've literally been the dudes in "happy" relationships who were completely in love with our partner. We know exactly how manipulative and devoid of physical intimacy those relationships can actually be. Consistently hooking up with a bunch of girls may not be good for the soul, but it's an objective measure of success. A married man who acts happy is an unknown quantity.

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want.

It's what we've given up on.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-01-26T17:16:48+00:00

As seen in some of the comments here, I think the issue is that some men only pay any attention to women they're attracted to. Do none of y'all have female friends, family, or co-workers?

lestratege · 2021-01-26T17:57:28+00:00

It's called sample bias. It exists for sure but then the question is what bias? Sure men don't observe the 55 years old + too much, but they're pretty good at noticing the 25 years old.

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies is because men observe a small group of women.

Plenty of TRP concepts are actually confirmed by research, like hypergamy. What research is "typically" debunking what concepts? Be clearer.

Even though men SAY they don't like sluts, that's a bit of lie, because men are the ones funding the sex industry and OnlyFans.

Men fund most of government's budget, this does not mean that men like to pay taxes. You logically link things that have nothing in common. It's actually telling of a woman's psychology that you link paying and liking, since women love shopping so much.

You never hear men here talk about the nice happy couples in the world.

It's called literature. Men created it. Again, you betrayed your own bias by assuming that because men don't talk about it, then men must not be aware of it. Men are not women. It's not because they don't talk about something that they don't know it.

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want.

Again, quite the revealing leap of logic here... Again you assume that men are women and that they must be talking about things they want, and if they don't talk about something, then it must mean they don't want it... Do you even logic?

superlurkage · 2021-01-26T15:25:15+00:00

Counterpoint: not-hot women don’t exist to these men and never will anyway

Whenever I talk about a woman in almost any context with men I know in a more than acquaintances way, single or partnered, that’s the first and only thing they want to know about her - “is she hot?” It’s like they can’t be bothered to care unless they know that

SaBahRub · 2021-01-26T18:20:59+00:00

They know better, but excuses are fun and gratifying, and good examples make you look bad

Man does something bad: Meh, you know how men are. Also, I don’t want to fuck them and nothing men do affects me at all, especially not as far as women are concerned. It’s not like women care what men do

Women does something bad: Woooooooaaaah! I was lied to! Women LIE!!!!!

escapethesolarsystem · 2021-01-26T18:53:43+00:00

You're observing the women you want and the men you envy.

And that's a problem because...? I mean, if you want to be like certain men, you should observe what they do, not "all men", and if you are attracted to certain kinds of women, you should learn about how they act, not "all women".

What's the problem here exactly?

If all I do is observe fuckboys and party skanks, I'm going to think poorly of people as all of them being drunk horny troglodytes with no morals.

What makes you think this is what most men are observing?

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies is because men observe a small group of women.

Are they though? Which theories exactly are "debunked", and by what means? Because women saying "NUH UH!!!" really loudly because they don't like the truth doesn't really count as "debunking", FYI.

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want.

Maybe you're the outlier then, because as a man, I have many friends like this and hear from them all the time. I don't think I'm special or unusual as far as men go, so I expect most men have some friends in their circle that are respectable and in good relationships. Also, I am in a good relationship and consider myself respectable (honest, successful, trustworthy).

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-01-26T18:57:15+00:00

Observing both men’s and women’s actions rather than words is important, but I totally agree you have to look at all different kinds of people. And mostly “normal,” average people. Like your mom and dad, aunt and uncle, older brother or sister and their spouse, etc.

I was trying to make the point the other day that most average and below average looking men don’t have much trouble dating or getting married. It’s quite easy to see if you step out into the real world for a moment. Is your dad a “Chad?” Probably not, and yet here you are. Go to the mall, church, anywhere, look at the couples. Tons of average looking people in relationships with average looking people. But I think the issue is that a loving relationship with an average looking woman is not what these men want when it comes down to it.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-01-26T18:57:59+00:00

"Watch what they say, not what they do" is obvious prevention and precaution advice. If your girl says shes not cheating on you but you find that shes sending nudes to some other guy, what are you going to do? Believe what she said? Obviously not.

Furthermore, if you notice a trend in behavior that isn't simply being done by one or two women, but multiple women, and you have other guys reporting the exact same thing where they live, but you have a few women saying "wat? No, we dont do that/That's not what it is lolz," which are you going to believe - the experiences and affirmations of yourself and other people, or a few women who think that they and their friends are "not like the other girls?"

Watch what people do, not what they say, lest you be the next victim known to others as a "dense idiot."

Gamedragon345 · 2021-01-26T21:06:15+00:00

you don't get it. What it really means is just, don't trust a person's words, look at their actions. Actions speak louder than words. You've heard this before. It's true, women say a lot of white lies to protect themself, they tell different kinds of lies than men according to studies, and you need to be able to not be fooled by looks and fall in love with the girl. Also you liking sluts is different from wanting to watch porn. Wanting to be married to a slut who fucks everyone casually is not the same thing as a beta male going on the hub to jerk off.

Sid_Insidious · 2021-01-26T16:23:40+00:00

I see a lot of men here bitching about how women don't live up to their expectations. What's the difference?

Blue pillers want to believe ALL COUPLES are nice and happy. They just plug their ears when they hear their neighbours fighting. They just encourage her to go to a shelter when she's battered. They just buy him another round of whiskey when he's at the bar, at a loss, because she's unreasonable, or crazy or cheating.

The reality is that most relationships are NOT that great and MOST take more work than they're probably worth.

In any case, of course women want us to believe their poetic diatribe about how wonderful women are and how hard-done-by women are. But women's behavior today is what it is, and men will experience that behavior from their own perspective. Women want the best of both worlds when it comes to their dual mating strategy and feminism and gynocentric governments and laws enable them. Men are rightly not happy about this when they, as individual men and as a gender, have to pay for women's unbridled reproductive freedom.

In any case, you're trying to deny men of their lived experiences here. And we're not buying it.

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want.

You assume TRPers are not respectable. Your definition of "respectable" is fallacious. Respectable means a decent, contributing member of society, and good parent, if that applies. It does NOT mean "desirable to women". I can give ZERO FUCKS about what women (or society) expects from me and still be very respectable. I'm just not desirable. Check your word usage. When women say a man isn't respectable, they just mean he's not desirable to them. He's useless as an alpha (for sex) and he's useless as a provider. Women only see people as resource objects to get their emotional needs met, yet think they're somehow above men with their primal motivations.

Women forget that men are mostly driven by a need to perform, a need to provide and ultimately a need to be accepted. Modern society says "Well take your cash, but you're still a loser who we reject."

Too many young men just want groupies, fuckbuddy, and thots to have with them within 2 seconds of being in the same room.

A lot of men want LTRs and are struggling. A lot of men want marriage and children and are rightly afraid of pursuing it.

Your post is just a typical anti-male screed that nobody is buying into anymore.

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sthlmtrdr · 2021-01-27T08:11:53+00:00

No one is saying that actions are everything.

Comparing action to words is a way to spot how honest and how much integrity a person got, very useful. If a person say she will do X but instead do nothing or do Y or Z insted, she is lying.

sigma1932 · 2021-01-27T10:39:29+00:00

OP is assuming men are only looking at women who aren't talking to them.

In reality, the statement in the thread subject applies to females when they're interacting with us directly as well, and then on an individual level.

Example: hypothetical example: If a woman says she's "traditional", but doesn't keep a home, has multiple kids by multiple fathers, etc.... guess what? She's not actually tradiational... she just wants the man to be traditional, while she does whatever the fuck she wants. What she DOES shows the truth, not what she SAYS.

Example from my own life: one of my exes would tell me she loved me till she was blue in the face, but then she never took any of my concerns seriously, acted obnoxious any time we did something I wanted that she wasn't completely 100% gung-ho for (she'd basically act like a spoiled child)... i.e. her actions didn't match her words... i.e. you pay attention to what she DOES, not what she SAYS... and that's why she's an ex now.

FrivolousMood · 2021-01-27T15:46:49+00:00

Even though men SAY they don’t like sluts

I don’t hear men say that. I hear other women saying that. Most men LOVE sluts.

TheAlmightyForge · 2021-01-30T15:17:19+00:00

To your last point I would say it's missing a part. Most of those men don't want those type of relationships because of the sheer responsibility of it .To be a good boyfriend or husband is a lot of work that a lot of young men now a days aren't capable of so early so I understand why they would go the casual sex route.

tHiShiTiStooPID · 2021-02-01T05:28:25+00:00

People will TELL you who they want to be, but they will SHOW you who they are. Just an anecdotal perspective from my relationships. Notice I said “people”. It’s not just women.

2021-01-26T22:05:35+00:00

Yup. Especially men who, for physical and social reasons, cannot even obtain ONS with said sluts, they are just simmering with rage that these women's bodies are inaccessible to them. It's pathetic but also kinda funny and satisfying.

Kaisha001 · 2021-01-26T16:23:27+00:00

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies

The studies/surveys have consistently landed in RPs favor.

You never hear guys talk about respectable good men in happy relationships because that's not what those guys want.

You're joking right. BPs label any man on here as an incel. You're the ones claiming RPs are all miserable, most seem pretty happy. Or at least happier than they were prior.

BrtVrgen · 2021-01-26T18:30:31+00:00

I strongly believe you should watch what women do not what they say but you should do that in general. I agree so much about men though, i done some reading into the sex industry and many pornstars escort on the side usually charging between 800 to 2500 an hour... The prices are that high because porn advertises them to fan boys who are willing to shell out for a fantasy. If men didn't like sluts this would be impossible

2021-01-26T19:09:25+00:00

Well another load of bs to start my week.

Don't listen to what they say. Actions speak volume than words.

NockerJoe · 2021-01-26T20:17:13+00:00

Ok? Sluts are sexually available and theres no real agreed upon way to get non slutty women, because statistically every year more people meet either online or through bars, and less and less every other way, and those two ways are mostly frequented by either slutty women, or women who are sorting through more options primarily by appearance.

Are there good, non hoe women elsewhere? Yes. But for the purposes of dating or casual sex they may as well live on the moon as far as many men are concerned.

djm123 · 2021-01-27T04:56:36+00:00

Do you want women that you aren't interested in or men you don't envy? Observe what you want is a solid advice. If you want to be a great football player you don't need to learn how to play baseball, tennis golf and lacrosse too

Aldabruzzo · 2021-01-26T17:48:57+00:00

No. Sorry. Most men have experience observing all kinds of women. "Observation" does not necessarily mean "date" or "had sex with".

Most men who post here, most men in the world who never heard of manospheres or multicolored pills, have watched, seen, interacted with, been friends with , been friendzoned by, been FWBs and FBs with, partied with, gone to school with, gotten drunk with, gone to church with, dated, had relationships with, been engaged to, broken up with and been broken up with, been married to, divorced, had sex with, and been rejected by, all kinds of women, of every race and station, of every SES group, of every profession.

You're all the same. From professors to welfare queens, from physicians to waitresses, from turbosluts to virgins, from rich white women to black single mothers, from post-doctoral PhDs to high school dropouts who don't even have GEDs, from rich black women to white trash trailer trawlers, from upper middle class PhDs to working class college girls, teachers, nurses, housewives, pastor's wives, and everywhere in between - you are all the same. You all have a basic nature consisting of hypergamy, a strong tendency to filter everything through your feelings, and you personalize everything. You view every observation about "women" as a personal affront.

You're all the same. All of you.

sorebum405 · 2021-01-26T18:38:57+00:00

The reason these theories and observations of women are typically debunked by surveys and studies is because men observe a small group of women. Particularly, super attractive hyper sexual women. Why? Because you want them. Even though men SAY they don't like sluts, that's a bit of lie, because men are the ones funding the sex industry and OnlyFans.

Can you give some examples of some of these theories and observations of women?

ApprehensiveWheel32 · 2021-01-26T19:20:57+00:00

I definitely don’t want my mom, my sister, my fat female friends, etc.

Cute strawman though.

It bears repeating though: ignore what they say, watch what they do.

skystar86 · 2021-01-26T23:18:48+00:00

But why would you want to observe the woman you don't want?

profstarship · 2021-01-27T00:17:44+00:00

This quote is about 1 woman, not all women. It means even if she says she's fine but she acts sad, she's sad.

What a weird and random extrapolation you achieved here to take a common human natural ability (reading body language basically) and tried to use jerry springer to disprove its effectiveness.

sigma1932 · 2021-01-27T11:00:18+00:00

You never hear them talk about happily married men who love their families.

Sure you do... it's just usually accompanied by something about how shitty most women have become as wife-material compared to what they used to be... how immature, how untrustworthy, how useless domestically, how excessively career-obsessed (basically already married to their career), how impulsively promiscuous, how bitchy, narcissistic, superficial, and materialistic, how much baggage they bring (in all forms... financial, emotional, practical, etc.), etc.

My entire family was made up of happy, stable marriages-- and that spans 5 cultural generations now (i.e. pre-Great Depression "greatest generation", all the way up to millenials), and 4 familial generations (grandparents through my nieces/nephews).

I see plenty of men that match the men I grew up with (the same men that were my male role models)... I see very few women who match the women they were with (who were my female role models growing up). I was willing to do what my father, etc. did for women who did what my mother, etc. did... but modern women do NOWHERE NEAR what my mother, older sisters, aunts, grandmothers, etc. did for my father, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, etc.

Mustbeaight · 2021-01-26T19:05:54+00:00

Wether it’s women he wants or it’s women he doesn’t..it’s still relevant