Women Are For Sex – The Sexual Marketplace in ‘Current Year’

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Women Are For Sex – The Sexual Marketplace in ‘Current Year’.

There used to be an expectation among both men (and women, for that matter) that if you stayed in school, stayed off drugs, got an education or a trade, eventually, you’d find your Disney Girl to marry and have kids with, and live happily ever after in a little house with a white picket fence, a tire swing, and an apple pie cooling in an open window.

Let me disabuse you of this notion.

This is the state of women in 2020, in fourteen seconds. {Suggest watching with volume OFF or at least very low.}

Anyone want to wife one of them up? Anyone want to put them in charge of mothering your kids?

I hope those answers are “Hard no.”

There are two primary problems – the men and the women.

First, The Men.

Faaaaaaaar too many of the guys here are what I call “TRP Oreos” – red on the outside, blue on the inside. This got exposed, badly, in the comments my recent post, which I (intentionally) provocatively titled “Never Put Kids First”.

Two things happened:

There was a general freak-out as a lot of dudes showed up and promptly had apoplexy out about how you should ALWAYS put kids first, which explains, in part, why we’re producing a generation of anxious, entitled shitheads who have “FEEEEELINGS!”, why the West is circling the drain, why our space program will shit the bed and why the America I die in will only vaguely resemble the America I was born into.

Then there are the folks who evidently can’t fucking read good, because they thought I wrote: “Never have kids.” I did not. Go have 100 kids. Just don’t be the dad equivalent of a SIMP. That was Tiger Woods, btw. El Tigre went from smashing some megahot piece of tail to being 4th out of three in her life after the kids were born, which is why he lost his damn mind and had to go fuck his way through a smorgasbord of pussy. He wasn’t getting any at home. He didn’t know how to pull it off – not having a “Batphone” with a password on it that’s the same make/model as his caddy’s, boning his way through club girls and porn stars instead of selecting women who would protect him – people in Namibia know what that guy looks like so I’m not sure how he thought he was going to keep things on the Down Law – which led him to being chased out of his own house by a golf-club-wielding scorned wife, and her taking half of his shit.

I get she was hot, but really, there is no pussy in the world that is worth $400M.

"His answer to every problem, every setback, was `I will work harder!' which he had adopted as his personal motto."

-Said about Boxer the horse, in Animal Farm.

Most guys here, particularly those early in their journey, need to stop projecting their bluepill fantasies on to Thots. The conditioning that there is “One Special Girl” is so difficult to eradicate. They will be the plow horse and double down and double down until they have won their Maiden Fair – usually after she’s done fucking every drug dealer, outlaw biker and escaped mental patient she can find and has entered the Epiphany Phase, or until they have some sort of breakdown, which, best case, brings them here, and, worst case, makes them the back half of a murder-suicide.

When you’re young and you haven’t quite gotten it, you’re frustrated and you think nobody else is having sex either.

Except they are.

It’s going on all around you. An old Tyler Durden post may be of use in helping you understand:

Secret Sex Society

Here are a couple of pieces by Rollo that illustrate how much damage can be done by the Blue Pill Delusion:

Saving the Best

Hats off to the Bull.

Those should be pretty horrifying. Don’t get sucked in by the Cathedral’s programming or the Dream Machine’s hypnotic promises.

Second, The Ladies.

See that girl over there, that cute, demure little hottie with the ponytail that you just want to take home and keep?

She likes getting pissed on.

The Erotic Mind is very Dark and Deep, and the very things some folks protest against during the day are also the very things they do in in the dark of night. Feminism unshackled the Female Id, and it’s a very powerful creature indeed. So much so that entire societal institutions (organized religion, marriage) had to be created to control it.

Girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice dirty, dirty, twisted little secrets every known vice.

Even the 'good' girls. And that’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their own kink. But we’ve arrived at a point where we shame male desire, but the “WIMMINZ is WONDERFULZ!” bullshit narrative is pushed.

Guys tend to project their own dreams onto their “One Special Girl”, who is going to love them in a way that they want, have a dozen of his kids and never cheat, or get even one stretch mark or complain a day in her life.

Except she won’t love him in the way that he wants because she doesn’t know how.

When I say I don’t hate women for their nature, I am not White-Knighting for them. Our soupy, primordial brains are not prepared for modern society. They are prepared for keeping us alive and selecting partners that will produce the strongest offspring back in the Bad Old Days of the Saber Tooth Tiger. Women shit-test men, because they have to know that he will protect them (and their offspring) when the tribe from the other side of the hill comes raiding, and if he can’t even stand up to a woman how will he do that?

Thus, guys can either bitch about how Why ‘Assholes’ Get Laid, And You Don’t., or they can…what was that Mr. Darwin? Oh, right: Adapt.

Do you think that, when a Slave Girl shows up at my house, she wants to be treated like my equal? Fuck NO she doesn’t, she wants to fulfill her Deep Female Nature and serve as the sexual plaything of a sexist, masculine man who does whatever he wants to her.

“These hoes ain’t loyal.” -Chris Brown

So stop expecting them to be.

The Girl Next Door?

Yeah, she’s a porn star now.

You get up to take a piss? The girl you just fucked is sexting nudes to Chad and swiping right on Tinder while you’re gone. And if not that, she’s feeding thirsty orbiters on InstaWhore or OnlyFans.

“But Uncle Vaz!” you say. “Not All Wimmiz Are Like That.”

They don’t have to be. It’s not that EVERY girl is doing that, but ANY girl could. And there are plenty of thirsty betas in her contacts hoping to be that Number 1 Draft Pick when you slip up.

Your Path Forward in 2020.

The social contract between the sexes is broken. In breaking up the structures of society – dismantling the nuclear family, an end to slut/adultery shaming, free and ready access to abortion – the feminists of the 20th Century were attempting to free themselves of the perceived constraints of conservatism. The end result is what we see today. Women won the battle but lost the war. The pussy cartel (to the extent that it existed) was broken, which liberated men from societal constraints as well.

Too many guys here think they are going to use Red Pill tools to fulfill their bluepill goals, that they will play the Game of the Modern Female, play around and fuck a lot (or try to) and then “settle down” when they’re 40 into the nuclear family which isn’t the sexual and economic sinecure that they think it is any longer, if it ever was.

And hey, don’t bitch at me for being the bearer of bad news. The West is approaching End Stage Decadence. I’d do quite well in a TradCon environment – indeed, I was present if not for the TradCon Golden Age, then for its Renaissance in the 1980s. I didn’t create the world today, I’m simply telling you how it is, and not to bring a knife (TradCon thinking) to a gun fight (the 2020 SMP).

The landscape has changed, even if her hindbrain has not. Sexual warfare is more asymmetric than ever. What is my Numero Uno response to whatever guy is chewing through his own tongue over some girl in AskTRP?

“If you were maintaining sexual relationships with multiple women, none of this would be a problem.”

Fish with a net, not with a pole.

If you are not a disruptor in the SMP, then you are being disrupted.

Do not think that just because you’re in an LTR or get married that you’ve won and the struggle is over; in reality, it’s just beginning. There’s a reason we call marriage Red Pill on Hard Mode.

Never let ONE woman decide if you’re going to fuck tonight. Never let ONE woman walk out of the door with 100% of your pussy supply. And beware giving ONE woman the Ring of Power, especially if you don’t’ want a better than 50% chance of giving up 40% of your gross to pay a woman to bang other guys and teach your kids to hate you.

But hey, it’s your ass, Cochise. Just don’t be an innocent abroad in a world that isn’t innocent. You’ll wind up getting an anally-injected education, and it won’t be pleasant.

Further Reading:

Become the Prize

-Master your life. Become the Prize.

You Never Stop Competing

-Life is About the Struggle. Here's What You Need to Know to Win.

Uncle Vasya’s Guide to Outcome Independence or Welcome to Level 99 DGAF

-How to Rock Out With Your Cock Out.

OLTRs: What They Are, And How To Manage Them

-Open on your side, closed on hers.

Confidence Above All

-Don't fall into the beta trap.

End Game or Handling Life on Your Own Terms

-Take a Deep Breath and Make it Count.

Post Information
Title Women Are For Sex – The Sexual Marketplace in ‘Current Year’
Author VasiliyZaitzev
Upvotes 727
Comments 170
Date 07 October 2020 03:14 PM UTC (6 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/749443
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/j6snuw/women_are_for_sex_the_sexual_marketplace_in/
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[–]CharlieDowncast89 points90 points  (5 children) | Copy

The thing I love about this subreddit, is that it speaks to a part of me that I never really knew I had. I'm what you would call a beta or a "nice guy" but I know that I'm slowly moving towards the red pill but residing in purple. What is clearly holding me back is feelings, beliefs that I've had growing up about men and women.... hence why this post caught my attention...

All I know is that I need to grow and not be weak anymore. I am letting the world beat me up. Not to mention I'm going through a breakup so I feel lost at the moment. Thank you for this post op.

[–]northernCAgrown21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't worry about the break up, you'll be alright.

There is no growth without pain.

[–]ebaymasochist7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not to mention I'm going through a breakup so I feel lost at the moment.

Just went through a rough one this past year.. here's how to be less lost:

Go on long walks(2+ hours) and run when you get angry, let the emotions out instead of trying to change them or distract from them(the amazing part of this is they come back weaker next time and then go away after a while). Your brain is trying to figure shit out, it uses emotions to teach itself lessons. If you block them it will fixate until you stop. Sitting in a car and crying and then yelling like a maniac seems like a bitch thing to do but the pain is so intense you will grow. That's not just for a breakup, but for any kind of loss, death, your self respect, dignity, etc. Any kind of loss. Face that shit and stop letting it control you in subtle ways.

This is how I was able to get over a bad breakup in a couple months and then focus on rebuilding my life instead of becoming depressed and weak as I may have done in the past without figuring out how to release shit in a healthy way.

[–]cadaemos4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dont be lost for too long, she is gonna be fucking other guys while you are still in this reddit being depressed about her? Brother, have some self-respect. She is not worth your time, she is not worth your worrying, she is not worth getting in the way of your goals that are much bigger than her ugly stinking puss. It's not about being red from inside, its about being a man with goals from inside. Be that man you want to be. Behave like that man you want to be and you will become it.

[–]CharlieDowncast2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck yes. Since this post I've been cultivating this mindset, be it not worth the after thought. When the real energy should be focused on becoming the man I was born to be. Thanks bro!

[–]beachbbqlover1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The key is to see it as an awareness going into a relationship that shit WILL end, and not to lose sight of reality.

And that given that reality, you really don't want to drink the kool-aid. It's put there to trick the stupid.

[–]Borsao66163 points164 points  (4 children) | Copy

Excellent as always Uncle Vas.

I'd offer one small addendum.

"Girl's are made of sugar and spice and every known vice."

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 99 points100 points  (2 children) | Copy

Stealing that. Edited.

[–]lefty92929 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post dude. And Thank you for doing the work to link other posts. Adds a lot of good reading material in addition to the content written above

[–]Protocol_Apollo80 points81 points  (2 children) | Copy

Never has the deep divide between alpha fucks and beta bucks become more apparent.

Girls really are using guys as either sperm donors or as providers.

Anyone in a ltr needs to ask themselves, does my girl see me more as the former or the latter.

[–]KingOfAllWomen19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls really are using guys as either sperm donors or as providers.

They always have. The 10% statistic of kids not really fathered by the perceived father has always been evidence of that.

They are just out in the open now. No need to hide any longer so why would they put in the extra effort to do so?

[–]beachbbqlover1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, they want both a sperm donor and a sugar daddy. Nothing says they have to be the same man/men.

But they can be, and some are more greedy than others in one way or the other

[–]bestsparkyalive20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ive been having a tough go lately. I feel like I'm the TRP Oreo. I changed so much about my self and my life the past few years. A total transformation. But I still deeply am plagued my my BP fantasies. They're so deeply engrained in me. I just broke up with a girl recently too who I should not have caught feelings for. Just another thot. Thanks for the post Uncle V, I think we needed it right now.

[–]tomsmith85692 points93 points  (36 children) | Copy

I get so little out of hanging out with the majority's of girls I've seen or dated that I've stopped putting any effort in. Even the sex usually doesn't offset the time I have to spend chatting to her in a bar/bars, the taxi fares to her's, the sleeping patterns wrecked after that late night, the booze costs (even though I always split the cost 50:50 with the girl) and the hangovers I sometimes get.

I'm In my early thirties, haven't had sex for just over a year and I don't give a shit.

[–]acoltismypassport51 points52 points  (6 children) | Copy

I'm with you, but I'm not quite willing to give up the grind yet.

The last two girls I banged - during lockdown no less - both took an hour long train to get to my city, then took Ubers directly to my apartment. The work was largely done for me, all I had to do was close. But still, the disrupted sleeping pattern, the booze, the post-bang chatter... I didn't have the patience even for that.

Interesting times are ahead, that's for sure.

[–]tomsmith85640 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me it just isn't worth the time.

The number of times I wished I'd just stayed in and had a wank and a cup of coffee instead.

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

The last two girls I banged - during lockdown no less - both took an hour long train to get to my city, then took Ubers directly to my apartment.

bro you wild, 1 cough away from corona.

[–]acoltismypassport56 points57 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm gradually immunising myself with Chinese girl pussy juice.

[–]babayega55 points56 points  (2 children) | Copy

Agreed, all this makes me think that MGTOW were right all along. I'd rather spend my time working on my business, prepping for bodybuilding show and travelling with my boys then spend effort wading though hordes of flaky disrespectful girls just to have mediocre sex. Just go rub one out if your libido is that high.

[–]ExtremeFlosser9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would but deca killed my shit

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your dick?

[–]Returnofthemack326 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy

As you get older, your libido just isn't as high as it once was and assuming youve fucked hot girls im the past, the allure just isn't there anymore. I have nothing to prove to myself or anyone else, so unless a girl is very low maintenance and adds to my life, I'm not gonna deal with it. If and when sex comes easily I'll take it, but I'm too grown and experienced to spin plates and game all the time.

Just not worth it anymore

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hmm. I think we still want to fuck hot girls, it's just more "optional" than it was before. Young men want to fuck more than they want to stay alive. Older men want to fuck but on our terms.

[–]tomsmith85610 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah - not hot girls, but some decent ones.

Yeah I don't feel that urgency and honestly really love having a quiet peaceful life.

If a girl can complement that then I might be interested but all they seem to want is drama and aggressive sex from multiple men

[–]1BlondeHornyElf2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

ya agree man.. like i have some friends who are bugging me now that i'm not so gung-ho about dating as i was in my teens and 20s.. but like honestly i just don't have anything left to prove at this point... i've done LTRs, ONSs, FWBs... i've been intimate with girls i loved and i've fucked sluts up their asses and down their throats..

now i'm a little older and i just have more shit on my mind than that... i'm still horny and enjoy the affections of women but it doesn't feel like an emergency anymore.. and a big part of it is i've lost my idealism for love. like i don't look at women as much more than for sex now, been betrayed too many times for that to still make sense to me.

[–]chomponthebit9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Taking breaks from women and sex is a great idea. Hunger is the best sauce

[–]KingOfAllWomen18 points19 points  (18 children) | Copy

Stop involving the bar scene/alcohol then.

I did that after I graduated college. The quality of women goes WAY up and so does the enjoyment. How I met my wife.

Looking back at the cast of characters from the bar scene, there was not one wife candidate among them. Not even one.

[–]tomsmith8567 points8 points  (15 children) | Copy

I'm not on the 'bar scene', but it's where I meet girls after matching on tinder or meeting them at a meetup or after a daygame approach or whatever.

[–]SalporinRP5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

So go on other types of first dates that don't involve bars?

I know it's getting colder out but go hiking or some shit.

[–]tomsmith856-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

I mean yeah I could, but I find meeting a girl for a drink or two is much easier to pull off. It relaxes the both of us plus I can sit down and be lazy in the warmth haha.

I don't get mad drunk, but I get hangovers after one or two drinks now because of my age

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

So you whinge about drinking on dates because you feel like shit afterwards, but continue to do it anyways?

So get out of your comfort zone and do some other shit jesus

[–]tomsmith8560 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I don't continue to do it. Lol that's what my comment was about.

I could date sober but that just isn't done in the European country I live in.

[–]subjectpleaserespond2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m a recovered alcoholic. Just tell people that you don’t drink but don’t mind meeting them out while they have a couple. I’ll order a virgin Bloody Mary because I like them, but it feels pretty amazing to tell people you don’t drink before you’ve met. I’ve never had anyone think less of me for addressing what was a problem in the past.

Usually the response is: let’s do something other than go to a bar.

[–]Sumsar011 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You dont have to keep going for alcohol. I have a girl comming over for a glas of salt water this friday.

[–]Rock_Granite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Neither of you drink so you asked her over for salt water?

[–]Sumsar011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We technically we both drink and i asked her over to drink some of the atlantic ocean. I probably have to mention that it's not a first date. But fruite or a glas of water has worked as well.

[–]ebaymasochist0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I'm not on the 'bar scene', but it's where I meet girls

I mean, the majority of people who go to bars don't usually identify themselves as being part of the bar scene, but there wouldn't be one if they all stopped going. It would just be a couple drunks who DGAF left.

[–]tomsmith8560 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Man where I live in Europe I actually meet girls in pubs, not bars.

And pubs are also where people take their families on a Sunday for a meal. So it's very different.

I called them 'bars' for the Americans on this sub.

I actually take girls to pubs

[–]ebaymasochist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

And pubs are also where people take their families on a Sunday for a meal.

We have pubs in America too, we just call them restaurants.

[–]tomsmith8560 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah but in restaurants you're expected to eat, rather than just sit on a sofa with a beer.

Big difference

[–]ebaymasochist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This really isn't relevant to the issue you posted about. You were neglecting other parts of your life to meet up with these girls that have a different lifestyle from what you want. I've done that and probably 95% of guys here have done that. Once you figure out how to get what you always wanted, other things aren't as important, until they create bigger problems. Some kind of middle ground has to be found as a compromise

[–]jamiestarza0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You can give up the bar scene but will she?!

[–]teabagsOnFire1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Believe it or not, there are women that don't enjoy bars, clubs, online dating etc.

They're obviously harder to find than swiping or hitting your local pub

[–]aweful_aweful2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck bro, experiencing same phenomenon. Did some shit for a few nights hooking up with a girl who is a real scumbag. Rips people off, lies about having cancer, etc.

By every measure many would consider it a great night, if you're just going by getting laid.

After the moment was over I just felt disgust. That I'd given myself to such a bad person, given her pleasure.

[–]trollreign0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

let the hamster work overtime

[–]codeofsilence11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy

Holy fuck, never heard of an Oreo, but I guess it's where I am.

I have been largely lurking here for ages, half believing. I have read through most of the sidebar material, but being in a relationship with children for a decade that went fucking sideways a very long time ago, I didn't want to believe most of what I have read.

My eyes are opened here reading this post, but I have a shit ton still to do. When you are "trapped" it is harder to impossible to imagine the way out.

This entire post resonates with me in a way that I did not and could not understand, but I look at the trail of devastated divorced men left crying after their divorces (and even those that pretend that all is well) and I see very clearly the pattern.

This, what has been written above, could not be more true.

I could provide my own story, but fuck the story. It is basically boilerplate hollywood bullshit. I could write my own comedy out of this bullshit. And it's all bullshit.


[–]aweful_aweful3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its helpful for guys like you to tell your story. For once your around people who actually give a fuck, so tell us. Or make your own post and do it. There's knowledge there.

[–]codeofsilence3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will write the abbreviated version here, because I hate stories. The thing about the past is that it is the past for a reason... but if you can learn anything, learn from this.

Long before I found RP I had sworn myself off of Western women (I now know that this is not necessarily a Western issue, but it certainly is worse here).

I said "never again"

And then I found "her" and "she was different than all the others"

We could go through the details, but the key was that when I met her and believed she was different, she was busy spinning plates, and I was busy spinning plates, and everyone was pretending they weren't doing that... and I was pretending that she was different.

And she wasn't.

And then we had children.

And then a dead bedroom.

And she continued to spin plates secretly :)

And I turned into the beta faggot everyone here talks about, when I used to make fun of beta faggots.

And here we are. The same old story, with 99% of the detail stripped, because the detail doesn't matter, the story is the fucking same.

And I feel like a dunce for believing that I could somehow defy what is clearly the nature of the beast haha :)

I hope this helps someone...

In that if you think she's different, or you find you are saying these words to your best friend who is probably telling you something different then WAKE THE FUCK UP!

[–]PolukranosWordEater0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I only woke up to it after 7 years and 1 child. I didn't want to believe it at first either. But finally after she took off in the middle of the night to go screw some deadbeat, it all clicked. everything and i mean everything that groups like TRP and MGTOW said would happen did. It's eerie.. Almost like she went on TRP to read up on what they say she'll do.

Not gonna lie.. Divorce is not easy. Thousands and thousands spent in lawyers fees. Not to mention poisoning my daughter against me. I haven't been able to see her in 2 years.

I would say check out the married redpill sub. It's a little more focused on guys that are in our positions. Give it time and start experimenting with what you're learning. What do you have to lose at this point. It can get worse but it's a risk I wish I took before i lost everything.

[–]codeofsilence1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have been in there for a while.... the key for me is that there is only one variable that I have control over - that is me. I am focused on my work, and showing up as the best version of me. She is the wildcard, as we all know, and the thing that pains me is that I have been down this path now twice, and it plays out exactly as described in this post, it is as if the script here is written for me and my situation.

My biggest mistake has been expecting some form of change from someone that has no interest in changing.


[–]1BlondeHornyElf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

interesting.. so you were a BP husband and you made contact with RP ideas, but you denied them at first?

[–]Modredpillschool[M] 64 points65 points  (8 children) | Copy

First of all, you need to go back and read the old classics. Start with Uncle Vassy posts you blue pill noob.

Secondly, this:

not to bring a knife (TradCon thinking) to a gun fight (the 2020 SMP).

This is the deep blue wave that has been eroding our shores since we started. The collective lamentation that traditional women, relationships and families are firmly behind us has sprung up number of red pill coaches and personal brands that are selling trad-lifestyles as a commodity.

As much as I'd like, we cannot turn back the clock.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I realize you are doing this for the Lulz, but I feel like I've seen this before.


[–]RPOpenUp4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah right this guy knows jack shit about women.
I've heard there's a legend about some 50 year old dude banging hot model 20 year olds, maybe go read that geeez

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've heard there's a legend about some 50 year old dude banging hot model 20 year olds, maybe go read that geeez

I've read it. I love that guy. He's based.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

and redpilled

[–]Modredpillschool5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

But have you read /u/VasiliyZaitzev's work?

[–]RealJoeDee1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You cannot use the red pill to get a blue pill result. It doesn't work that way. /u/rpu_mike and I will be doing a video on this very subject soon enough.

[–]beachbbqlover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I met my ltr 12 years ago in Tokyo and she straight up listed and convinced me she was a better choice than the other girls she knew I was with.

She followed me to Canada, and stuck it out when I was broke as fuck based on my potential, character and plan.

In the beginning she would try to weave me into a dream with "forever" and similar Disney bullshit. The real shit test was proving over and over I wouldn't fall for that crap. That I would tell her if she started getting fat before it was hard to fix.

Now I'm almost retired with kids and around 40. We own a cabin in Canada and are looking to buy property in Japan for when we want to be there instead.

[–]bouncypoo10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Be selfish. That is it. Be utterly selfish. Society won't like it, but they will respect it if you stick to your frame. Don't know where I read it (hats off to whomever) but imagine you have a destination and you are driving your car. You are doing fine, have your goals and dreams well ahead of you, and you are headed towards them. Cool. Now you get the primal urge to have intercourse, it's perfectly fine to indulge..you've been working hard. Alas now you are driving on the same journey but you now have [insert female's name] beside you. Now when do you kick said female out of your car? Some men after the smash will ditch her. Some men will keep her on speed dial, for when the urge hits. You just happen to really like this one, you have plates but this one you kinda want around.

So now she's riding with you and wants to take a detour...she wants to be your girlfriend. She takes the steering wheel of your car and jerks it left. The blue pill you...goes left. The red pill you ...jerks the car back on to it's original path and you make it clear that if she wants to go left...she has to earn it. She's going to have to clean your car, make upgrades to your car, and of course put out. She says no, Blue pill you apologizes and compromises, Red pill you kicks her out of the car and keeps on his journey. She says yes, she's submitted and you make sure her actions align with her words...things continue peacefully ..until...

Anyways the moral of the story is don't let some schlag take over the steering wheel of your life. You know where you want to go, get there. Don't allow anyone or anything to slow you down. If she wants to join you and you find her beneficial to your journey and submissive ...go for it. Just know you will have to maintain frame(never allow her to turn your steering wheel left ..or right). Lead the way, and if she's attracted enough she will follow, if not next her...another one will come along. Never jump into her car or allow her to dictate where your car(life) goes. The end.

[–]Amon3530 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women won the battle but lost the war.

I been telling this for a long time. Also everybody is getting laid is true. Atleast women getting laid. Men in general, not so much. My brother and my cousin also got the idea of "prize" and I had to go a little harsh on them. They were truly thinking like red pill oreos. Im also stealing this term my dude it really fits well :D

Thanks for the writing. Its on point. Wish you the best.

[–]Magicus116 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

Funny, because my old church also believed that kids are number 2.

Number 1 is the couple.

A husband should get his plate before the kids.

So, yeah, I agree wholly that in many cases, couples themselves get it wrong.

In fact, kids should have two things from the parents in addition to a good, solid education (I’m talking plumbing, mechanics, taxes, investing, hunting/fishing, & life skills) — and that’s a 529 if they’re going to College as well as a Uniform Gift to Minors Account (UGMA).

That UGMA should serve as a budget for them while they’re growing up — never let them touch your money!

If they’re going to go to Uni (I’m an engineer, the right major can be worth it & change your life), then they’re on their own. A 529 can help them offset expenses if they work part time, get scholarships, or go to cheaper universities (Community College + 2 years in State University).

Outside of that, they better know that’s all they’re getting and outside of that — they’re on their own!

And wifey? She better be onboard.

Sadly, too many women don’t understand that the couple comes first and stands united in raising kids right.

I think this is a good post from that perspective.

Women coddle kids too much and wonder why they have a hard time in life & don’t want to leave the nest.

Birds are pushed out — fly or die, motherf-cker!

[–]PolukranosWordEater1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never considered this but it makes sense. It seems like most mother's dote on their kids wayyyy more than the father. He probably feels that resentment deep down as he's chugging away working his ass off keeping everything going while he's getting scraps. It doesn't take long for the attention to kids creating a loss of interest for the father. The death blow is when she shuts off sex entirely. Divorce or single parenthood isn't far away. Which, I would argue has a much more detrimental effect on kids then locking your Bedroom door for an hour while they sit and watch cartoons.

Which religion is it that teaches this?

[–]Magicus10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fundamental Baptists.

Southern Baptists are similar as well.

[–]teabagsOnFire0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Wow I'm glad I'm not your kid lmao

You're bringing such a boomer mentality to it

[–]Magicus10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy


Boomers might be boring, but trust me when I say that I’ve had enough excitement to fill a Tom Clancy Book.

I served in three combat tours in Iraq.

After something like that, boring means I get to go home.

I like boring.

[–]teabagsOnFire-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I dont' think you're boring; I think you're a dick that has something against securing generational wealth for your family

[–]Magicus11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Clearly you’ve never read your Bible. Or if you did, you weren’t paying attention.

I never said I wasn’t leaving them anything when I’m gone.

In fact, it’s a Commandment. (Proverbs 13:22).

Additionally, the Bible in the Book of Mark says:

”Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Careful being so quick to judge others, mate. That’s why women can’t stand each other.

As for why I’d give the appearance of not leaving anything, why would I tell them that I am? So they can meander through life knowing they’ve got it made when I’m gone?

No. I want them to take care of themselves & find their own way.

A man leaves Wisdom, that’s the real gift. Money is a tool. Leave money to a fool and it is gone, leave it to a wise man and it shall be multiplied.

Read Jesus’ parable on the three servants with talents.

Again, don’t be so quick to judge.

And read your Bible.

[–]jackedtradie9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Those last few paragraphs hit me really fucking hard.

Kinda sad coz I’d love a cute little housewife. But I’d also love to be able to fly. Not gonna lose sleep over it.

A little saying a guy said to me once.

If you try to eat soup with a fork don’t get angry at the soup when it gets cold

[–]beauWILDBROOK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All women are cunts.

It's that simple.

[–]Infinitrix0210 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm 22, and I'm in awe of how true this seems to me when I look at the west from a 3rd world country. If guys sitting in US and EU can't wrap their heads around this then may god save you all.

Thanks Uncle Vas.

[–]TheWarriorWithin7773 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women become this way when the supposed containers (MEN) are too weak to hold down the fort. NO matter how alpha you become, that wont prevent these modern day hoes to fuck you over. Focus on yourself and build your empire. Does not matter how much redpill knowledge you digest; you cannot call yourself an alpha if you are not well-rounded.

[–]DullIntroduction13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most guys here, particularly those early in their journey, need to stop projecting their bluepill fantasies on to Thots.

We live in the Tutorial Age, especially for young people. Almost everything can be found easily within the stream of information. If there is a problem, there is a tutorial.

TRP (and by extension askTRP) is seen as an immediate solution to their current problem, i.e. getting dumped or lacking sex, instead of the long-term strategy that requires a change of mindset. If they can get a girl to stick for a couple months, they can slap the LTR label on it (because using RP lingo is alpha, right?) and begin settling.

Awesome post.

[–]Thelonelywindow3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great read! From start to finish! Thank you so much for taking the time to write it all up :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Note to self:

When conversing with a woman seek to bring out emotion and disarm logic. And maintain trust to keep generating emotions.

For keeping a girl in a emotional state will allow me to poop on her.

[–]throwawayname69963 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

“Fish with a net, not with a pole.”

Great analogy

[–]bonaj2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well said. Just take a look at the posts on ask.trp nowadays, what a shitshow

[–]Yusuf182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Best article I’ve read from this subreddit in a long time

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment reminds me of Mike from F.R.I.E.N.D.S. The chap who married Phoebe in the end. It's a sitcom so Phoebe is shown as an "angel", but she is an irresponsible douchebag who always tries to get her way by using her "ruined childhood" card, breaking up relationships over petty reasons, and not knowing when to shut up. I can only imagine what the guy had to go through with such a woman.

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[–]akzunamoon1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Which country you are from?

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Put the kids first is so utterly overrated I don't know where to begin tearing it down. If there's anything worse than putting women on the pedestal, it's putting kids on the pedestal.

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[–]akzunamoon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

do it.

same for me. after my second failed relationship i never will allow someone else to be in control of my emotions again.

i started to focus on myself and my self improvement (knowledge, work, health)

[–]LuckyDuckyCheese3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Finally a high quality post, this is why I'm subbed, definetly saving this one

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Second time in my life I've heard a speech like this, :)

[–]Covfefe0451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, holy shit lol. Amazing post.

[–]zdbkn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Always love the content Vas. Thanks.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nothing to add, nothing to change. Good stuff as always.

Ok, there is something to add... it's smörgåsbord if you want to be really authentic.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's smörgåsbord if you want to be really authentic.

I can't even be arsed to switch my keyboard to Cyrillic. Also, Sweden is cucked, so....

[–]guynpdx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well done, my enlightened friend.

[–]Dudewheresmymoto11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Uncle Vaz stepping up lately. Great post!

[–]z2a1-91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP Oreos fucking awesome Uncle V

[–]zyzzguido551 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There’s a lot of something being said and a whole lot of nothing at the same time.

All you have to do is not get married. Simple as that. And not have kids. And don’t be a dumb fuck and land yourself in jail cause you smacked your girl.

Do those three things and you’ll live a life better then 99.999% of blue pillers

[–]Hari_Aravi1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are there any Indian guys that can confirm this ?

[–]godsbestgift1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

thanks dad, lets lift sometime

[–]ButMessiDeservedIt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was just brilliantly written. Thanks for this.

[–]oooKenshiooo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Another masterpiece by Uncle V. Thank you, kind sir!

[–]inbredostrptw4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy

I wonder, how many red pillers do you think are actually Oreos? Does the 80/20 rule still apply here?

[–]RealMcGonzo8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

You gotta admit, it's a compelling position. What if you could just use RP "tricks" to finally get that housewife/2.3 kids/dog/picket fence life? It's pretty seductive. Fuck, I'd love to have that.

While I'm dreaming, I'd also love to win the Powerball. Hard to tell which is more likely.

EDIT: At least with a Powerball ticket, I'm only out two bucks, not half my stuff.

[–]ToldYouNotToWorry_6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wonder, how many red pillers do you think are actually Oreos?

Me first.

And I’m not afraid to admit it. I’m a beta in disguise mimicking alpha. Due to poor upbringing with pussy father and manipulative dominant mother I was very much pathetic most of my life until I cut it all and started working on myself, and stoped treating women like Disney princesses along the way imagining what OP described, that fantasy family life in future. I’m basically trying to do what alphas are naturally doing and don’t even think about it ‘cause it comes natural to them. I bet most of us are doing this, ‘cause otherwise we wouldn’t be here in a first place. And it’s working, applying TRP set of tools left and right, making plates, but deep down I’m still very much Blue Pill beta. As soon as I progress with some plate to some kind of relationship I start reverting to my old blue pill days and insecurities show up to the surface harder than ever, and I fuck it all up.

One could argue that this is what women do, it’s in their nature and they’re really good at getting her man to be all that she wants until she doesn’t want him anymore. But that could be an easy excuse. Either way, I’m that Oreo. Red pill on the outside, bluepilled inside. That’s the truth that I had to admit to myself.

[–]GoingForHundred0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Me second, ToldYou. Man, you really hit it out of the park. Blue pill programming is difficult firmware to overwrite because rogue copies keep reinserting themselves into one's DNA. Mini OYS puke (my first) from a nice guy in partial recovery....

I got red pilled in divorce court in 2017 after a 20 year marriage with two kids, now adult. I found Rollo / Athol Kay / Alan Roger Currie / Corey Wayne / many others a couple years ago and I read about 80% of the sidebar. I mostly lived MGTOW as I paid off my divorce settlement early and lived on a shoestring. During that time I had occasional ONS but I now find myself in a LTR with a never-divorced upper 50s widow with a proclaimed low N count during her early 20s, who remained true to her deceased husband for ten years until she met me ten months ago. Ours was her first date she had since around 1983. She submitted sexually on our second date, and having been so long for her, it felt like fucking a virgin. She is sexually less knowledgeable than I would expect from a woman who was married > 20 years (never received anal, etc) but she is willing to experiment. She never withheld herself.

During COVID we shared several amazing road trips around the US that were carefully planned. She is not hot to look at, but with a little effort she could raise her SMV a point or two. She rarely wears makeup and her teeth, though straight, could use a little whitening. She loves sucking my cock. Beneath a lightly weathered outer surface (too much sun exposure from skiing) she is a generally wholesome, physically healthy postmenopausal woman with a warm heart and absolutely no drama or mood swings, all of which is wonderful. Because her SMV is lower than mine she is pleasant to be around, is easy to put into her feminine, enjoys light bondage, and is willing to receive whatever I feel like putting in her. She is an intelligent, educated professional who is in upper management of a global corporation. She brings more financial stability than most women, and she doesn’t like accumulating material junk. She makes no attempt to compete with me. She is a submissive, hetero-only tradcon woman. I doubt she would enjoy threesomes.

In other words, I am attempting to shoehorn red pill ideas into a blue pill relationship – which is pretty much the definition of an Oreo – but I am having fun, especially when we travel. I withhold attention periodically. We never discuss the red pill, but we both know that if she walks away she will be lonely and I find a replacement. No need to induce panic... I am marketable and she knows it.

I found zero evidence so far of deceit. Maybe AWALT, she may be a pro at covering up and too smart to get caught. Again, it’s only been ten months. She is FAR beyond the wall and because of that I doubt she is banging other guys. It wouldn't bother me too much if she left – which means I can just relax and enjoy her without much worry or effort.

I don’t want to spin plates for the usual reasons a 56 year old guy might note, including falling T levels and not wanting to poke myself with injections or medicalize my age. More importantly, I can’t stand self absorbed idiots with cellphones and social media addiction. My gal doesn’t do social media except Facebook with her immediate family, and she doesn't do it in my presence. Living separately, I enjoy the freedom of doing what I want when I want. Sometimes I choose to do it with her, but that's up to me. I love having this amount of freedom.

The mediocre parts and why I am writing: I stopped lifting due to the COVID-19 excuse (gyms are closed) but I do still use my home free weights. I do cardio on my bicycle or hike 3x per week, both of which I love. My BMI is 22.5, weight 175 pounds. My career is on pause until Feb 1 when I start my next job, so I am off for the holidays. My gal is easy to please compared to others and she does not expect trinkets from me. She is delighted when I gift her something small.

The reality is that I’m falling into Oreo status, and this sub is giving me a kick in the butt. Blue Pill Me says I’ve got a unicorn and don’t blow it buddy! Red Pill Me says I will fall into deep complacency if I don’t start spinning plates and lifting heavy, neither of which I particularly enjoy.

Thanks to my struggling brothers, and to Uncle Vas, for pushing us Oreos to reexamine what we're about.

[–]Protocol_Apollo14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy

Nah I reckon there’s a healthy (or perhaps an unhealthy) number of lurkers here who are superficially red.

How do I know this?

All you have to do to stir the hornets nest is write something on the following things:

  • Amorality of sexual strategy

This is the biggest one. If there’s a post describing how to get sex amorally, these Oreos come seething.

  • Political views

Not as big but kinda there. Oreos come out when you assert you can’t be red pill AND a liberal.

  • Purpose of women.

Guys haven’t internalised that girls are sex objects.

Girls are for sex.

Girls are literally sex.

Firstly and primarily.

  • projections of their ideal woman

It’s okay to have an ideal woman but many guys project their ideal woman to go against female nature.

Newsflash: your ideal woman is still a woman at the end of the day.

Same exploits, same programming, same weaknesses and same functionality of that tinder hoe from last night.

Got a post incoming on this.

[–]pimptendo5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

I dont post or interact within the sub but the main issue I see a lot is the definition or use of the red pill. It is hard for me to explain or more not my place to input being that I do not actively participate within the sub. The thing I see most is that this sub isn't very sociable. As in its not open for discussion about what is or could be defined as red pill. Even responding to this could and most likely will give me some heat. This alone makes a lot of lurkers, oreos. I am open for discussing this and sharing my thoughts though. Dm or message anytime.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The reason the tone is combative - it's a filtering mechanism.

We don't "debate" the sidebar stuff either, you can go debate fake reds and middle aged wine moms at PPD for that

[–]Protocol_Apollo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red pill is an uncompromising rejection of blue pill.

There is no bridging between blue and red.

And we certainly don’t try to debate between blues/ feminists to bring them over to our side by finding a happy middle ground as u/itiswr1tten pointed out.

This is compromising.

However, I think there is some space to talk about less spoken and undecided concepts, u/VasiliyZaitzev recently bought up kids and how to raise them in a red rather than blue way and that’s one of the only few aspects which hasn’t been discussed.

Everything else is more or less clear cut.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The thing I see most is that this sub isn't very sociable.

This was a "Code: RED" for the Oreos. It wasn't intended to be "sociable."

[–]capsigrany4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Somewhat agree with your view, but even being myself an oreo, I don't want a light washed down TRP so it is more digestible or amicable.

Most of the content out there, social, relationship s, etc is plain BS. We need this 'radical' BS free view as counter. I might still not agree completely with some things in RP, but I can understand where it comes from and the rationale behind, so I can figure out myself. This is not a movement but a tool set and teachings you might follow for your own growth.

So I think RP must remain 'hard' because reality is hard. This kind of post are gold.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Im same as you. My issue is that when it comes to politics (not to invoke the illustrious Rosa Lux in these here parts), the economic paradigm on the “further” left has predictive abilities for financial markets, more than any conservative/austrian model. So if going from “superficially red” to full red entails forsaking a profitable economic paradigm, thats a risk my wallet wont allow me to take (although Im certainly open to counterarguments!)

[–]Mr_KenSpeckle2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I actually find Red Pill much more tolerant of opposing viewpoints than most subreddits. Most subreddits will insta-ban you for straying from the orthodoxy. Here, they generally let you say it but, the thing is, you are going to get an unfiltered response. It is a curious characterization to complain that things are "not open for discussion" simply because you don't like the reaction that you receive.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls are literally sex.

"Women . . . should not be regarded as the equals of men; they are, in fact, mere machines to make children."

-Based Napoleon

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

1% of the readership votes

1% of those comment

75% of those are negative.

The one thing you cannot do, you cannot trust comments on a post to be representative of anything, they are heavily biased towards retards who want a reason to be angry.

[–]ToraChan232 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’ve always recognized the need for BP men to exist. The world would end without them.

I just have to make sure I’m not one of them. Thanks for spitting the real shit for these guys to hear

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

The Cathedral wants betas who are just smart enough to keep the machines running, be happy with what they're given, and not ask too many questions.

[–]ToraChan231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

While none of US should become one of those, the world needs men (I’d argue the majority) to be like that

I also think RP men directly benefit from seeing cogs in the machine as a reminder of what you don’t want to become

[–]Existing_Nature_87761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cheers Uncle Vass!!

Without you we would be lost.

You're the cornerstone of TRP.

[–]rocky31ind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post

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I don't see how kinks contradict the" women are wonderful". The more kinks the more wonderful if you ask me.

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

YALL are still stuck in 1877 where y’all hate women?

Nope. I don't hate women and I don't think anyone should. I also don't put them on a pedestal.

Y’all STILL think we’re objects in 2020?

The quality of the average young woman has gone waaaaay down. Lots of entitlement, useless degree ending in "Studies" that she borrowed $350K for, doesn't bring a lot to the relationship. If a man is dumb enough to marry one, she can freely withdraw what she brings to the marriage whereas he cannot, and if they have kids, then he's >50% (as more than half of marriages fail) likely to pay up to 40% of his gross to his ex-wife to bang other dudes and teach his kids to hate him.

She has no home skills - can't boil water, can't sew - so that leave one thing we might be interested in, assuming she hasn't gotten on some "Food Assisted Suicide" program of "Fat Empowerment." So yeah, in 2020, most women are for sex and that's it.

Given that most marriages fail, why would any man with any sense want to wife up some THOT who can freely withdraw from the marriage and then, if they have kids, take 40% of his gross. The guy winds up paying his ex to bang other guys and teach his kids to hate him.

Thanks but no thanks.

It’s really sad that y’all do this stuff then wonder “why don’t I have a gf” “I’m a nice guy”

I run a soft harem. A lot of women prefer confident, dominant masculine men. I realize that doesn't fit with your weak-sauce "shaming language" but so it goes.

I would never advocate for a man to be a "nice guy," or a "white knight". Those are simply alternative pussy-getting strategies that don't work.

FR: Women Actually Loathe "White Knights"

Why ‘Assholes’ Get Laid, And You Don’t.

[–]teabagsOnFire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The only comment I would add is that there is research on what behaviours couples engage in that can determine with like 90% accuracy whether or not a couple will be in the divorce pile or the lasts long term pile

Any thoughts on that?

Gottman love lab btw

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Shhhh. Nobody cares about your solipsism, your shitty childhood and your daddy issues. Save it for your psychiatrist.

[–]Protocol_Apollo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the first thing I read is “women are for sex...” uhm YALL are still stuck in 1877 where y’all hate women?

How exactly does seeing women as sex objects translate to hating them?

Logic...not even once.

why don’t I have a gf” “I’m a nice guy”

We literally don’t ask these questions and are the furthest things from nice guys.

Think more something on the line of bonafide patriarchs. Sometimes benevolent dictators.

Some men...BELIEVED IT OR NOT actually want women to be treated good...so their...NICE and actually fight for our rights. Even if it is a “pick me tactic” it’s working.

Notice how pick me girls are assholes who degrade themselves for the validation of men BUT pick me guys respect us, and are nice

But aren’t pick me guys assholes as well because they degrade themselves for the validation of women?

Logic...not even once.

men’s quality has ALWAYS been bad since beginning of time

And again you mention this in another thread:

I hate being attracted to men

Of course you do, you are very likely an average to below average looking girl with very feminist/anti male tendencies.

Now, is this chicken or the egg? Do you think this because of your looks, or do these ideas physically manifest through your looks?

In the wise words of u/VasiliyZaitzev:

Slave girls LOVE their collars. It's a symbol of their desirability to men. See that feminist fattie over their? No collar. No man could possibly want her.

I think we know which type you fall under.

Ngl that was kind of ableist and morally wrong

Imagine unironically believing in able-ism as well.

This my diagnosis .

Cure still unknown.

[–]BitchesBrew_MF0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And you reward those “men” who want women to be treated good with a pat on the head and the illusion that if they keep it up they’ll get the girl of their dreams and maybeeeee some poon....

However the reality is that those very same girls instead ride the cocks of the outlaw bikers, escaped mental patients and drug dealers because those dudes don’t give a shit as to how that girl feels...

You clearly view men in an adversarial manner, wouldn’t shock me if you’re one of those “sexual socialist” types, you need therapy. I’m willing to bet also you have mad unresolved daddy issues...

[–]zyzzguido550 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of these guys are a little extreme. I’ve been on this board since it began. It’s not the same and there’s a lot of incels. I generally avoid this place now..

But I’m gonna have to disagree with your defending of male feminists/white knights/simps. They are defending your “rights” because they want to fuck you. And they are usually insanely judgemental towards other guys. I have plenty of feminist friends. They’re not huge fans of these types of guys either.

No one likes a dickhead either. The thing is you don’t need to be a dickhead and some of these guys don’t understand that. You just have to be sexually aggressive but NICE. Goodlookingloser talks about this in another podcast. Im sure most girls will agree with this

[–]TRPCops[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Only keeping this up so the refutation makes sense

[–]modTheRedPike0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think he set some sort of record for getting shadowbanned by the admins without actually spamming ads.

[–]1TRPKiddo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


“These hoes ain’t loyal” -Chris Brown

[–]tomsmith8560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I want a little house with a white picket fence, a tire swing, and an apple pie cooling in an open window.

Only difference is I want to live it on my own and make my own damn apple pies.

And scratch the tire swing - I'm getting a sick sick gaming chair for my living room instead

[–]LudwigVanBlunts-4 points-3 points  (39 children) | Copy

Using screeching sjw girls as an example isn't really an accurate portrayal of all women though. Don't go for the PC/commie chicks, just get you a Christian conservative girl.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

Here we see the religious NAWALT, a common version of the mostly blue purple piller.

[–]LudwigVanBlunts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not on my worst day pal

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper18 points19 points  (18 children) | Copy

Jesus fuck, no matter how many times we cut the head off this myth, fill the mouth with salt and communion wafers, burn the body, then bury it face down in a church yard at high noon on the summer solstice and roll a heavy rock on top... it stills rises up to eat the brains of the living.

The difference between a ride-or-die bitch and a backstabbing hoe isn't what she is, it's what you do.

Stop trying to FIND the perfect girl. Develop your Control Game and BUILD what you want.

[–]Protocol_Apollo10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy

develop your control game

Then please bro write some more on this topic. Between you and HSP, this concept only has a couple of posts on it unless I’ve totally missed them.

I would do it myself but i need something to go from.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy

Whose Frame do you think my Slave Girls live in? I make clear from the jump:

A. I don't date monogamously.

B. If they are down for my world view, they can stay.

C. Any girl who gives me trouble gets cut from the team.

[–]Protocol_Apollo5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

What you have described is indifference game.

“Take it or leave it” game.

Which not only works but is recommended...for plates/FWBs.

But for LTR, whisper/HSP believe that for LTRs you need something more than indifference, you need control game.

You need to take in the reigns and exercise active control.


Indifference Game

We're all familiar with the concept of Indifference Game. It's the kind of game that is predominantly taught here at TRP. Indifference game focuses on aloofness and detachment in order to emphasize to a bitch that she's not so important to you that she can get away with bullshit.

Indifference Game is the tool you use to avoid becoming trapped in oneitis. It's the tool you use to keep your life pleasant and drama-free. It's the tool you use to keep control of your own life and agenda, and to avoid becoming a tool in someone else's.

Indifference Game is the tool you use to protect yourself

Control game is actively training up your girl:

You no longer get to not care if she stays or goes. You no longer get to say that "she's not yours, it's just your turn". These are tactics of indifference. If you are invested, you are axiomatically not indifferent. Investment and indifference are opposites of each other. You must actively control your woman to prevent things from going pear-shaped. It's not just your turn. She is yours, and you damn well better be able to enforce that

This is still something I’m still playing around with/not sure if it’s fully explained.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indifference game should.never be abandoned 100 percent. Its the reason that narcissists are so damn exicitng to women

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Slave girls in general do not come to me fully formed. In fact usually I am the first man for whom they have truly submitted. So I make them into what I want. One girl who reached out to me recently after reading my stuff on askTRP has never even been tied up before. Yet she knows what she wants and who she wants it from.

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Interesting, guess I gotta punch myself in the dick now since I dropped a few/handful of plates assuming either they were slave girl types or weren’t at all with little in between.

So, the question becomes how does one form a slave girl?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

So, the question becomes how does one form a slave girl?

Women who are attracted to me want to submit to a confident, Dominant man. My primary slave girl has tons of orbiters (6-7 at least that I am aware of) who would happily drink her bathwater, yet she reached all the way across the interwebs to find me, because her pussy insisted on it.

It's a bit of a funny story actually. Someone she knows sent her one of my top-level posts (the original "Submissive Girls" post, IIRC).


Her: "This guy REALLY understands women!"


Fast forward some months, and she wears my day collar at work now.

She was like she was all along (although she does say that my posts crystalized it for her) and yet no bf or lover ever even suggested tying her up.

I guess I'm just "advanced."

Anyway, I've been at this long enough to know what I want and to have come up with slave girl rules and protocols, plus I take their fantasies into account, and they wind up entirely with in my Frame, which is how we both like it.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's it! That's what they all want! It's not so fucking hard to understand, boys.

Females are essentially retarded in the world. They knew how to tend to babies and try to make themselves appealing for a high-value man to help her survive in the world.

They want dominance, leadership, to be told what to do, to have decisions made for them.

The thing is, they don't have much logic to this. They want to FEEL that dominance, etc.

Young guys need to stop seeing it as a failed state of blue pill dreams and instead use it as an opportunity to rock out with their cocks out.

[–]domoli1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sci fi saga paid off.. love those books btw.

[–]zer1652 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Oh, how I wish you were out there in 2020 trying this. The answer is always "your" fault. To a degree this was correct...but not now. It's seriously bad out there, man. I dont care what you say about your live in girlfriends. You are definitely NOT out there if you can still say this shit with sincerity.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Oh, how I wish you were out there in 2020 trying this.


The answer is always "your" fault.

Of course.

When I have a problem, I always look for the part that's my fault... because that's the part I can change. Looking for the part that's someone else's fault is an excuse for inaction.

To a degree this was correct...but not now. It's seriously bad out there, man.

Dude, do you think you're the only young man I've spoken to or coached in the last ten years? Of course it's bad out there. That's why I am here trying to train you. Now, do you want to learn how to make the best of a bad situation, or do you want to pour handfuls of dirt over your head and sulk?

[–]zer1652 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Alright, so there was no direct refutation. How are you "training" young men to deal with this, exactly? I follow and admire most of what you have to say on here, no doubt. But GLO is looking more right by the day. This is largely starting to grow outside of our hands or capacity for the young to even deal with.

Yes, introspection at what you may have done wrong is a starting point for any problem, but you know what comes before that? Acknowledging that there IS a problem, which you seem keen on not doing every time this subject comes up. I nor any level headed young man needs to go through the 11 point bulleted list to understand that this entire thing is beyond stacked against us. More weights, more steroids, more books, isn't going to fix this or give them any type of life they want. Yes, I know you're inevitable answer will be a long winded version of "you should change you wants". That's not going to happen and you know it. I'd like you to imagine be like if someone said that you.

So, when it comes to fault let me ask; Is what you did in your 20s/30s, does that rampant liberalism have anything to do with why it's 10x harder for us than it was for you? Is this "coaching" you speak of 90% of the time ending with some approximation of "well, you're just not good enough because you weren't born when I was."?

I don't know if you're a Boomer but you seem damn close to it...The most typical calling card being that you nor anyone your age (read: those that got laid easy as hell for any reason or no reason at all), refuse to acknowledge that anyone younger than you has it harder than you ever did. Technological innovation is NOT changing that either.

We're getting dangerously close to the point where young men just do not have any incentive to participate in the system.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is what you did in your 20s/30s, does that rampant liberalism have anything to do with why it's 10x harder for us than it was for you?

Ah, so here's the disconnect.

You're thinking "Whisper is basically Chad, and he cleaned up back in the early 90's, then picked the best one two, and has been living with them with threesomes on tap for 20-some-odd years, so he doesn't know just how fucked up things are out here, and moreover, he doesn't care."

I understand your objection, and I sympathize... in fact, I once dressed down Paul Elam for his send-up of "Pick Up Artists" with the argument "You have no idea what these young men are going through, they face a situation you never did, you have not done a damn thing to fix the one major problem they care about, and while you didn't personally create their problem, you're part of the generation that did, so how DARE you criticize how they choose to handle that problem themselves?".

And he printed a retraction and has shut up on the subject of PUA/TRP/etc ever since.

So, it's entirely valid that you are worried that I'm too successful to really understand that problems you face. I'm talking about solutions, and I've laid out a lot of major points for getting there, scattered through articles and comments and so forth. But what I haven't given you is hope. You don't see a realistic path from A to B, and that makes you feel like you need a more explicit set of instructions to help you along, but more importantly than that, you do not feel like if you do what I did, you'll what I got.

Basically, you're thinking that my whole case is Argumentum ad AMOG.

“Good sir – I am a sheltered, wealthy, and well-remunerated scion of The Thinking Class. I earn my daily bread with my mind, not with a wrench, hammer or plow, as if I were some feudal serf. Oh no, my station in life is so great, I am free to consider the demographic upheaval of the United States of America from the safety of my quite un-diverse neighbourhood, place of employment, and social circle.

Ah, dear friend, is immigration negatively affecting your life? Perhaps by pushing down your working class wages or rendering your formerly bland middle-class neighbourhood suddenly vibrant? I’m so sorry, but such things are quite outside my reality! What a pity that they are inside yours.

Oh I know! Why don’t you just… create a bubble! Yes, that will solve all your worries, tout suite.”

Does that describe your objection fairly?

Let me know, and I will strive to answer it.

[–]LudwigVanBlunts1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus fuck no one is saying they are trying to find the perfect girl. I'm simply pointing out that not all women are dirty screeching libs like the post starts off trying to depict them as.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're still not understanding me. A "dirty screeching lib" is someone with a particular set of political opinions. But women don't have their own opinions. They have other people's opinions.

If you think of women as having opinions, and character, then you're thinking of them as adults. They're not. They're children. And when you leave children unsupervised, they run wild.

I am not, repeat NOT, telling you that you should be able to "fix" every spoiled girl out there. Someone else is holding their strings already.

What I am telling you is don't look for the ones who are trained... they are already owned by whoever trained them. Look for the ones that are trainable.

[–]g0dfather932 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

just get you a Christian conservative girl

Lmao there is no sure shot "source" of wife/LTR material. It totally depends on you, man. I myself have led the best LTR-worthy girl into treating me like a loser, as well as a "crackpot" labelled girl into a good LTR. The relationship mirrors you.

[–]LudwigVanBlunts0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

100% you gotta be solid through and through and everything you get, you deserve. OP tried to frame every modern woman as a dirty screechy lib though and that's simply not the case. There are put together (seemingly put together), attractive women still, who don't give af about politics...

[–]g0dfather930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OP tried to frame every modern woman as a dirty screechy lib though and that's simply not the case.

I appreciate your agreement with my assessment of this comment but OP never said every woman is like that, he said any woman is can be like that - which you know, I gotta admit.

It's the same thing when women are asking for men to behave better and have punishments and better law procedures for cases of harassment, and then idiot men start posting #NotAllMen. It is obvious they don't mean all men are harassers, they are simply raising their voice against this world where any man can be a potential harasser - which begrudgingly as a man, I gotta admit.

[–]IterMercator4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

The problem is that it's AWALT, even that Christian conservative girl will become a nuisance once you're married and have kids. It's pretty much a timebomb effect except the SJW girls already blown up (or in much closer, the SJWs shown their cards while the Christian conservative girls wait until they tie you down before showing them).

While the Red pill teaches you how to handle them to keep the bomb from setting off, I can perfectly see why some guys might only bother with women for sex or completely remove themselves from them. It's a lot of effort for something that's high risk (divorce, rape/SA allegations, child-trapping) for something that's little to no reward nowadays (arguably children but I want children and even I would say the risks are too high atm), let alone all the investment for that subpar reward.

[–]2Overkillengine3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

While the Red pill teaches you how to handle them to keep the bomb from setting off,

I would posit that it's more that the bomb is going to go off, so either be able to survive the blast or don't be the dumb-ass fucking holding it when it does.

[–]LudwigVanBlunts0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Using clips of crazed dirty, gross commie girls freaking out as an example for what all women are like is comical. Yall crack me up. Literally all I'm getting at is there are clean women who will act right and don't live for politics if you pursue them. Just ignore the screeching fanatics and game the presentable/semi-sane ones.

[–]thanoshasarrived0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are delusional. Political opinion (and yours are terrible) has nothing to do with it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

There's always that one guy....

If that was your takeaway, you are missing the point.

just get you a Christian conservative girl.

A lot of people go to church on Sunday to get forgiven what they did on Saturday night.

AWALT applies to church girls also.


[–]Returnofthemack33 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

While I agree and I know of people in happy marriages that share these types of values, even if they're not overly relgious, I think what uncle vas is trying to say is the demand for that type of girl outpaces the supply, and the supply is dwindling even further with each passing year. Therefore, it's quite literally impossible for many guys to find that, so they might as well arm themselves for the reality they will likely face.

[–]LudwigVanBlunts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you prepare for and find peace in being alone forever, boom. There are plenty of women out there who shave their armpits and don't live for politics. Humor those ones, lol

[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Christian conservative girl.

She has even more motivation to lie to preserve the illusion.

[–]LudwigVanBlunts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bet. I'd rather deal with an attractive woman who is self centered and concerned with her own life than to deal with a commie girl with armpit hair who lives for politics. That's literally all I'm getting at.

[–]Noitrasama1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Damn you are not even Oreos. You are blue in & out. And you haven't read the sidebar too. First read the sidebar, then u can post

[–]ohris0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Hearing advice about having kids from someone who's against having kids is not on my to-do list.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Then there are the folks who evidently can’t fucking read good, because they thought I wrote: “Never have kids.” I did not. Go have 100 kids. Just don’t be the dad equivalent of a SIMP.

Re-read the above and focus on comprehension.

[–]ohris-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

What I meant is that you, personally, don't want to have kids.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whether I personally want to have kids - and I am actually more “agnostic” on the subject - is immaterial to my ability to observe information, assimilate it and use it to inform other men.

Kindly note that there are men who are dads showing up in the comments telling guys who don’t have kids “Hey, listen to Vaz...he’s right.”. The reason we are producing a generation of neurotic, entitled shithead kids is: SIMP daddies who “put the kids first” instead of being fathers because “happy wife, happy life” or some shit.

[–]ohris-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whether I personally want to have kids - and I am actually more “agnostic” on the subject - is immaterial to my ability to observe information, assimilate it and use it to inform other men.

Personal beliefs are a major source of bias. It is counterintuitive to listen to an atheist's advice on how to get closer to god, of course, an atheist might have read more about religion than a believer, though there's always that risk that the atheist's bias against religion is going to take form in his advice.

Actually, I'm personally biased against your argument because I was born to a father who has put me and my my 6 other siblings ahead of himself, he went to great lengths to insure that our needs and wants are met, often on the expanse of his own needs and wants, I was looked after, had good food, went to good schools, and joined sport clubs. It all costed money and efforts that he could have spent on himself while half-assing raising us under the mantra of putting himself first. The question is, did we grow up to be entitled shitheads? The answer is no. No one in the household came even close to questioning the authority of my father, we held nothing towards him but respect and gratitude. I never heard any of us even talk bad about him behind his back let alone talk back to him or disrespect him, we were strictly disciplined yet immensely loved. A few days ago was the 10th year anniversary of his departure, and I still dream about him from time to time, missing him.

another question remains, was it worth it? Who knows, my father could of course put less focus on his children and more on himself, but I like to think that he had some sort of fulfillment living the lifestyle that he did. He had no psychological issues, a loving family, no fights or any major events at home, no alcoholism, had friends, hobbies and a social life. The way I see it, he was doing okay.

[–]1endedstick-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

🎵You're a bitch and you know it! 🎶

Love that LMFAO song 🤙

Edit: I can tell you're a bitch because you capitalized every first letter in the post title. VERY important to do that. Makes it look more official.

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