What are the ways men can hit their wall early?

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September 22, 2018

Physically, it appears Jonah Hill has hit his wall. Getting so obese that weight loss doesn't do much for his appearance anymore.

What other ways can men hit their wall early? I'm thinking drug use (on looks, mental abilities, emotional stability, std contraction).. career suicide or complacency of some sort.

TLDR: what are the ways men can expedite hitting their wall despite the natural gender advantages they should have pushing it further?

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Title What are the ways men can hit their wall early?
Author JustChopItOff
Upvotes 62
Comments 91
Date 22 September 2018 02:54 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askTRP
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[–]pretty_bread119 points120 points  (37 children) | Copy

Smoking, drinking, unhealthy food, not enough sleep, lack of skincare.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev68 points69 points  (4 children) | Copy

^ This, plus drugs and, for older men, women your own age

[–]bigkids21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

Stress damages cells and leads to early aging. Use that meditation as a tool or any other stress coping method that works for you.

[–]Greek-God-Brody1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, chronic stress really does a number on you. May even cause greater damage that drinking, for example.

[–]zerohistory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t agree. Over use and wrong use maybe

[–]Morphs_13 points14 points  (22 children) | Copy

Any tips on skincare?

[–]daffy_duck23312 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

Get plenty of sleep, drink more water. Use cleanser, toner and moisturiser daily, and apply sunscreen before going out.

[–]pretty_bread9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

For my case, simpler was better, i used to have a 4 step morning routine and night, my skin's PH levels were messed the fuck up and made it super dry with blemishes, stopped using products for a whole month so my skin's natural barriers would form again, then i just started using an exfoliator twice a week followed by a mask, now my skin looks amazing in all lightings.

Warning: you will notice a lot of gay guys hitting on you.

[–]sjdfhskdjfh3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

what brands do you use?

[–]pretty_bread3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

  • For exfoliation i rotate products from the Dr Organic brand (UK), they typically contain way less shady chemicals than mainstream brands IMO and don't leave your skin feeling dry like my personality

  • for masks i use the mud mask from The Bodyshop, it leaves my skin smooth and well hydrated, been using it for a while and haven't had any breakouts with it, find something that works for you.

[–]throwitdownman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Care to clarify the name of mud mask? I stopped by Bodyshop and they have like 6 types

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sunscreen. Clean pillowcase. Wash your face every night.

[–]nerfedpanda0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Why the pillowcase?

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oils from your skin breed bacteria. You’re rubbing your bacteria encrusted pillow against your sensitive face skin all night. One of the biggest causes of zits.

[–]Chinesehelicopter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A dirty pillowcase is first of all, well dirty. More importantly, it accumulates oils from your face and hair. Those oils will find their way into the skin of your face during your sleep when you move around and whatnot. So, change your pillowcase often, like every couple of days. Alternatively, you can put an old t-shirt over your pillow/pillowcase and change it everyday.

[–]Greek-God-Brody3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

  1. Cleanser
  2. Exfoliant
  3. Moisturizer
  4. Sunscreen

That's it. And hygiene: don't touch your face much, change bed-sheets and pillow-sheets often.

[–]lookoutitscaleb1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Please don't exfoliate daily.

When you exfoliate you are removing a layer of dead skin, exposing new "baby" skin. Exfoliating that skin causes irritation, sensitivity, and other damage.

I recommend 1-3 times a week depending on how sensitive your skin is. Some people do have very rough skin and can exfoliate more than 3 times but that is rare. Everyone is different but in general 1-3 times a week.

[–]Greek-God-Brody0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

That's interesting to hear. I have a BHA exfoliant (chemical) and its directions state: Apply once or twice daily.

[–]lookoutitscaleb1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, cosmetics are not regulated by the FDA.

So you can say whatever you want to sell products. It's all misleading verbage and misinformation.

"if you use this more you will buy more product, your skin will be more irritated thinking you need more of what isn't working"

It's similar to mechanics fixing the problem and creating a new one to force your return. Most products are horrible tbh. That's why I opened up an all natural skin care brand that focuses on informing customers about what is actually happening to your skin when you use specific ingredients.

[–]Greek-God-Brody0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The product I use is 100% natural ingredients, though.

[–]lookoutitscaleb1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What is it?

Also Just because something is natural doesn't mean they know what they are doing. My grandma can mix jojoba oil, sweet almond oil, and castor oil with some sugar and call it an all natural scrub, and write instructions on it saying how to use it.

Not saying your product is that but not all products are made by experts and if they are it's not always labeled sincerely. I am the creator of a skin care brand and run research and product development.

BHA are less abrasive than AHA's but there are studies that have shown prolonged use of BHAs can cause sun sensitization.

[–]Greek-God-Brody0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

[–]lookoutitscaleb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hmm well the only "natural" ingredient in that product is the Green Tea Extract and the Water.

Everything else is synthetic. If the Salicylic acid is at a low enough % that it's not going to cause sun sensitivity then the green tea is probably at like .25% in the product. It's mostly Water and thickeners with a little salicylic acid. With the salicylic acid being that low, it's probably not the worst thing to use once a day as long as you follow up with a moisturizer and sunscreen. The Butylene Glycol is basically plastic, calling it a hydrator is kind of true. It reduces TEWL (transepidermal water loss/ your skins capacity to retain moisture) but the way the measure it isn't fail proof. If you lather your skin in latex it will probably seem like your skin isn't losing moisture when you measure the amount of moisture evaporating from the latex.

It's not the worst product, but for the price it's not really doing anything. I would link you my company but we're still getting our website up and running.

The company that I like that is reasonably priced and I respect the ingredients they use is Tru Botanicals. It is a bit more pricey than our product, but it's a solid product.


I would assume your skin is more on the combo to oily side if you're using something with salycilic acid.

[–]Rikkitikkilaffytaffy-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Should you wash your face with cleanser once or twice a day? Would twice a day dry out your face?

[–]Greek-God-Brody0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Depends on the cleanser. For some, once is enough, for others twice is needed. A good, gentle,hydrating cleanser will not dry out your face

[–]Throwaway-2424241 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

In the morning if my face is a little puffy I’ll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturiser, then an anti-ageing eye balm, followed by a final moisturising protective lotion.”

[–]Morphs_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see what you did there

[–]TrenCobra2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Retin A

[–]I_love_you_broskis5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chronic masturbation and Porn addiction

[–]bigkids2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

+1 Broski!

PS: He was asking about what could possibly make men age faster, not what will empty their souls...

[–]AwakenedSovereign0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

.#1 killer and thief right here

[–]TheRedPillRipper2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Equally important to the maintenance of your physical self is also negating the diminishing of mental acuity and grey matter activation. Got to keep thinking fellas. Keep learning.

[–]FuneralWithAnR0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This was me for way too long.

[–]marlybarrow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

how did you break the habits?

[–]FuneralWithAnR2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most of it had to do with money.

I live in London, UK. Getting drunk there, with my high tolerance, was expensive. I'd spend anywhere between £50-80 per night out.

Smoked two packs a day sometimes, sometimes one pack. Brought that down to about 4 cigarettes daily today. Some days I don't smoke at all.

There were months I couldn't pay rent. I was a lazy slob all around and Procrastinator Ultra. Spent too much time on Netflix and PS4. Haven't touched those in months now.

So first, I decided to stop drinking. I stopped accepting invites to parties, or even to watch a football match. That led to less smoking cuz the more I drink, the more I wanna smoke. I can't remember the last party I went to...

That led to me deciding to buy two packs every Monday and not buy packs the remaining week. That went down to one pack as well, some weeks. Still reducing that rn.

Those two improved my sleep. I wasn't hungover anymore. I slept regular hours, like 10:30 PM to 7 AM, for example, instead of 6 AM to 9-10 AM.

That led me to having breakfast consistently. Being hungrier (also due to lifting), but being disgusted by burger joints. So I started cooking and meal prepping daily. Went from the simplest meals like chicken breasts with Nando's sauce and rice, to more complicated stuff. There's loads of recipes on YouTube.

I saved up loads of cash, as expected. Paid up rent, and have almost paid back all my debt.

I never gave a shit about my skin though, as I was very young.


I got a tattoo and all the aftercare needed just stuck with me. I continue moisturising my skin almost daily now. I grew a beard, and use beard oil, and that has worked wonders. I use very good shampoos and conditioners too. That's all due to stumbling across Beardbrand on YouTube. I liked what I saw and did what they did.

And of course, there's the lifting. That makes your skin better too, besides all the other benefits.

I had not read a book since English classes in school. The past 12 months though, I've read almost 60 books. Audible was a game changer for me. Listening to books while doing other shit. Lifting, traveling, gaming, cooking, cleaning, shitting, walking, anything. My mind is at its best in years.

It's all similar to shit snowballing out of control. But the other direction. Shit snowballed into control and got better and better.

Tl;dr: start somewhere. Anywhere. And just continue taking the steps.

[–]isteppedinsjw 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Lack of sleep is my issue. I've been unable to sleep without the use of Ambien or some form of diphenhydramine (Unisom, Advil PM, Zyquil) for years, but chronic back pain still wakes me up at night so I usually only get 4-6 hours of broken sleep. It has worn my body and mind down over the years and is the one thing I've been unable to control in my life. I lift, eat well, don't smoke, and rarely drink, but I just can't get to fucking sleep and stay asleep. I'm young too but I already see the effects.

[–]pretty_bread1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Try cutting out caffeineted drinks, i used to have these under eye circles from lack of REM sleep but after 3 weeks of withdrawl hell now i sleep extremely well.

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck61 points62 points  (7 children) | Copy

It's easy.

Smoking, drinking, processed food, drugs, lack of exercise, lack of skincare and any other unhealthy habit. Everything of this leads to low testosterone, thus less masculine (and healthy) appearance.

Ironically, do the opposite of what society promotes and you'll get a really high SMV.

You can worsen the side-effects if you start smoking/drinking/taking drugs from a really young age when your body is still developing itself.

[–]HansVolter 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

What do you mean the opposite of what society promotes?

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck36 points37 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you follow society's advice you won't go far in the sexual marketplace.

That's what 90% of the people do. Watch the TV, eat garbage, smoke, drink and so on. All this is considered normal in today's world.

If you try to escape the rules, by working out or eating right you can already start hearing people shaming you, while in reality you are increasing your value.

[–]SenorSwole8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right. It’s why there is little to no competition as of now.

[–]buddahbusted1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This goes for so much of life. This place understands económica d physical capital, but there is social capital in cultural development as well. This could be any focus on the arts. Just because you don’t understand or like something, doesn’t mean it can’t trigger alpha tingles. Women have vastly different preferences, some prefer the dirty dreaded dude who hasn’t bathed in years.

For this place to have real value we need to step back from our immediate cultural expectations on what has value in our class or community, and recognize there are more paths to success than just lifting and making money. Not that it is bad advice, but it is a clear band aid. It’s a basic step. But like in dance, once you know the basic steps, then you are free to ignore the rules. You go deep into the dance and may not move your feet at all, relying on subtle micro movements.

From a distance you may have never seen anyone dance and think they are just hugging. They aren’t going to interrupt the dance to explain it to you.

There is a balance of “follow your passion” and the advice given here. Some people work better on a regime, others just need to restart their life by pursing passions.

Go look for your own niche, and go beyond the surface.

[–]jrr6415sun1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What society do you live in that promotes smoking drinking and eating garbage? My community looks down on all of that.

[–]AwakenedSovereign5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]mortalcoil10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fyi, some chemicals found in some lotions, soaps, shampoos, and the like can lower testosterone. Do the research figure out what you are putting on and in your body.

[–]myaccountforIRLstuff 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Shitty job.

[–]Flintblood11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Age (only) matters when you’re a 30s or above male and you’re out with a woman in her 20s and women your age and older start giving you the evil eye, or some tradcuck older beer belly guy shoots disapproving eyebrows because you’re out playing the game instead of carrying a ball and chain.

[–]myaccountforIRLstuff 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I wouldn't take such a cynical view of relationships. I see a lot of men who have great relationships with their women. It's not wrong to want that, and, contrary to many redpillers, I don't believe this type of relationship is impossible or doomed to fail.

[–]Flintblood4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn’t call it being cynical. A little weary, cautious and detached maybe. The way I see it, I’m better off focusing on my mission for now. I’m better off now not placing any hopes or expectations on anyone else but myself.

I daydream every now and then about having a cool, laid back, self satisfied, non-nagging, intellectual, in-shape fun partner I can share good times with. I just have it in moments with different women instead of all the time with a ‘partner’.

But also through stoicism I saw that I can’t rely on anyone else for happiness, nor will chasing dependency bring peace.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gross teeth. If you’ve got missing teeth, discolored teeth, or bad breath you are not attractive

[–]SenorSwole7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy

  1. Alcohol
  2. Other drugs
  3. Lack of hydration
  4. Lack of sleep
  5. Stress

[–]Floaty_McBoatface 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy

Gotta agree: Alcohol is the most dangerous.

[–]Rikkitikkilaffytaffy2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

How much alcohol a week is fine? I.e. with no real affect?

[–]Floaty_McBoatface 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

No one can answer that question for you, bro, you're on your own. But your life hinges on how you deal with it.

[–]Rikkitikkilaffytaffy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sorry I didn’t mean re: having a drinking problem, I meant how much affecting your looks and skin over time. Does some alcohol affect your skin and looks more than others?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Technically, any practice affects your looks. The question you mean is how much of the side effects of drinking are you willing to accept.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is the strange thing, I don't give a fuck about booze. I'm a college freshman and I normally stick to water at parties and events and stuff because I'd rather have it in my system than the liquid courage, and I'd rather dance my ass off with some HB7 than get fucked up, or even do both at the same time. It hasn't impacted me very negatively imo (killing approach anxiety naturally during the day has done wonders for me), and only light weed usage about once every 2 months hasn't set me back at all. All things in moderation, even moderation.

[–]Auxfite1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Weed is bad for skin? Been smoking for 5 years and never had ache problems.. i do smoke backwoods and blunts wraps tho

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dehydration. Big time. That's how aging gets to you quicker.

[–]SilkTouchm-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Weed doesn't dehydrate.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Part of what being a man is is knowing that there will be times where circumstances outside of your control send a hard reboot your way. How driven you are to rebuilding and redefining yourself in aftermath of apocalypse is what determines your character. Rollo talks about this in his article on "zeroing out".

[–]ray0000713 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy

There is No male wall. Where ever you are, there's always room for improvement . Reduction in SMV is accelerated by negligence of any sort- workout, career, feeding , intellectual, rest and recreation ( optimally ). To be a man is to do..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Couldn't you say the same for women with that logic?

[–]cat_magnet1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women SMV is 100% fertility based. They cannot avoid aging.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not nearly 100% lmao. I've rejected girls or been completely turned off by them due to a shit personality, and the same is true where i've not thought a girl was anything special until her personality made her sexy

[–]Brickles091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not really, men just don’t feel attracted to older women, they simply become invisible, there’s nothing women can do after 35+ to change that. Thus, a wall.

[–]furcryingoutloud4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men don't have a wall, they build it themselves by giving up.

[–]Flintblood4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men can go a long time before hitting the wall — if they lift, exercise regularly, and practice good nutrition. I recently saw Sean Penn in the Hulu series “The First“ and while he is definitely a somewhat craggy faced 58-year-old, the man is jacked and in good shape. If he’s single, he probably has no problem attracting new younger women.

Perhaps men’s efforts to stay in physical form hits a wall in their 70s. Most men start experiencing diminishing returns for their efforts once they pass 70 years old.

[–]warminthesnowstorm3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Damn I'm a 21 year old male and I'm a heavy smoker (both weed and tobacco), drinker, drug user, hardly get any sleep (college ftw), am stressed and depressed af (...college ftw). I assume all that will go away once I graduate and start my career, hopefully

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sorry to say, no. That's why people say they develop their bad habits in college then cant quit them later in life.

Dont use the "I'll do it later," as a justification to not better yourself. It wont magically come later.

[–]Flintblood2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lose that lifestyle now and focus on building your career options and mission.

[–]Chadster1136 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

By not having a purpose. That's basically it

[–]jm512 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

irl, Jonah Hill seems to be tuned into TRP. Changes his arm candy with the seasons and no exes crying foul.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I just meant his looks. Not SMV.

[–]Brushyourteethm80 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Looks don't = SMV

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's what I said

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men don't have "a wall". They just let themselves go, physically usually and financially. But it is all fixable.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

What the hell are you on about? He looks great.

And why did you answer your own question?

[–]Brickles093 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would say sedentarism, the old "if you don't use it, you will lose it".

Lack of physical exercise is far more detrimental than anything else you can do to harm yourself, maybe with the exception of heavy hard drug use, because when we lose muscle/heart and lung capacity, we literally get older. That's how old people actually are. We become frail, our immune system/metabolism gets slower, we start losing hair, belly increases, our spine starts bending forward, and at 40 years old you are basically an old guy.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

there is no male wall

[–]BusterVadge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too much sun, alcohol, drugs and smoking. Basically being a biker. But fuck if those guys don't get pussy well into their 50's!

[–]WontonSoup773 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m hitting walls early, late, any time of the day

[–]SenorSwole2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Them sweet sugar walls

[–]DoneScannedIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, male, father figure.

[–]anonacnt 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I just googled Jonah Hill to see who he is and how he looks like. He can un-hit the wall if he lose weight and start taking care of himself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like him as an actor so I feel bad bringing him up as an example. But he's swung from like obese class 3 to just overweight so many times now he has a saggy face from the excess skin and more than likely on his body.

Only thing he could do would be to get swole. Bit I think he's over 30 now, and probably not going to. Steroids and Hollywood trainers would be the only card he has left.

He's obviously high SMV though due to his character.

[–]__uwotm8__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any tips for pale guys?

I look great with a tan, but shit without it. I went to tanning beds a few times, but I know it will make my skin age faster, not to mention other dangers. How can I get that caveman glow without all the damage?

[–]btrpb0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Pete Doherty. Shagged Kate Moss. I wouldn't let him clean my toilets.


Ironically, the drug fuelled lifestyle which is what is destroying him is what got him shagging a supermodel. But that bad boy persona at that level is fleeting. Stay healthy people.

[–]Johny_mcgregor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jonah hills character was better when he was obese, his old movies are funnier than the new ones loll

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not taking care of yourself. Simple as that. That includes being stressed as fuck, being obese, smoking, drinking, not sleeping, etc. Balding to some degree.

Cmon man, you already know this. As long as you look good, are making money, and enjoying yourself, you’re better off than most men.

[–]Bedtimeshine-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Poor choices after balding

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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