Why do women dislike seeing low-SMV men improve themselves / become successful.

PuffyCheek · 2018-04-30T02:15:00+00:00

If you passed on buying land that turned out to have a gold vein under it you might be a cunt about it if you had zero insight and thought you were the center of the universe.

Same thing.

chazthundergut · 2018-04-30T05:01:34+00:00

They have already seen the beta side of you.

Now that you are transforming yourself into an alpha, they are going to kick and scream and resist and shit test you like no other. The reason for this is that they have a biological imperative to test your fitness and make sure that you really are what you are pretending to be. And because they've already seen the other side of you, they see this "new and improved" side as fake or counterfeit. It is incongruent, and this is a major red flag to a chick.

This is actually a great opportunity to practice maintaining your newly developing frame. Are these comments going to break you? Is some goofy whore's disapproval going to send you into the corner crying? Are you going to beg for their approval and seek their validation?

If so, they are right about you, and you are still a beta.

So treat this like a test (which it is). It is nature ensuring that you are actually transforming the core of yourself, and not just the surface.

Also this is good motivation for you to go and meet new chicks and expand your circle. Since they never saw the beta side of you, they aren't sensing any incongruence and they won't shit test you nearly as hard.

VladvonK · 2018-04-30T03:43:38+00:00

No advice for you OP, just wanted to say fuck yeah I’m happy for you even though you’re an internet stranger. Awesome accomplishments, hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor.

purplefidgetmidget · 2018-04-30T00:59:58+00:00

This may be conjecture, but based on my experiences I don't think it's necessarily about low-SMV men, but about men that have been put into the mental friend-zone (of course, because they have low SMV).

Once a girl friend-zone's a guy, any increase in his SMV hurts her ego.

I think a girl that hasn't considered a guy before and is aware that he's probably low-SMV but hasn't personally ranked him can therefore rise to a high SMV, get noticed, and get laid. But a guy with low SMV that she has personally ranked, perhaps because he tried to chat her up, will never succeed and a rise in SMV will hurt her ego if she admits that the guy is actually more attractive now.

I think the ego thing depends on the girl but it's definitely there.

The male equivalent is telling your mates a girl is ugly and then later seeing her tarted up in makeup looking quite hot. You can't hit on her now because you just told all your mates that you think she's ugly, so you get annoyed at her. Well, the last part isn't true since guys aren't petty like that. But you get the idea.

abdada · 2018-04-30T00:27:45+00:00

All women are aware of The Wall -- even if it's just subconscious knowledge.

The Wall for men is totally different and not based on looks or body. A woman's version of the Wall is entirely looks, body and attitude. Once she loses that stuff, it's over. No amount of "self help" or structured living will fix it.

So a man has every opportunity to make tomorrow better by bettering himself, while a woman has to deal with nature's wrath.

When she's 16-22, she's peaked. That's it. There's no "better" typically. But for a man, he doesn't peak until 31 and then it's a beautiful plateau for the next 20-30 years, if he wants it.

SirKolbath · 2018-04-30T00:53:07+00:00

All of the answers here are correct, but they are leaving out the simple fact that when a woman has a higher SMV than you have, she is in control. She can make you an orbiter, squeeze you for cash and prizes, and essentially use you as a toy.

But if your SMV is higher than hers, she loses that control. She doesn't see it as a challenge - women loathe challenges. She sees it as a direct threat to her power. Even though she may feel she deserves a 8-10, she privately knows she herself is probably more likely to be a 6-7, and a true 8-10 will replace her in 6-7 seconds.

It boils down to her wanting power over you. The greater the SMV difference between you, with her on top, the more power she has. When reversed, the less she has.

[deleted] · 2018-04-30T02:01:15+00:00

It threatens their perception of reality.

Wrath_of_Trump · 2018-04-30T05:36:44+00:00

They believe it is deception. By not being the perfect "you" the first time they meet you, and consciously changing, it processes in their brain as some type of manipulation. An obese neckbeard going full Chad had to be the product of someone sitting them down and explaining the rules of how to be desirable. Women hate verbal communication of unspoken rules, it is the opposite of flirtation and will make her lizard brain go apeshit. Men, on the other hand, are big fans of verbal communication, it is the basis of civilization and law. It's why attempts to make men and women "the same" through feminization is going to end very, very badly for everyone.

ryndarandy · 2018-04-30T02:55:30+00:00

I also believe that you have to deal with the shadow of your past, they know how you were and probably still think of you that way, that’s why the new people you met respect you, because they only know your new attitude , so don’t give a fuck about the old people and try to build your new person around new people

MattyAnon · 2018-04-30T13:54:48+00:00

Several reasons for this:

- Women are biologically designed to dislike fake alphas. So once they label you as beta, your success is fake.

- Women are biologically designed to exploit beta males. So once they label you as a provider, they don't want you wising up and getting laid for free.

You're judged on yourself at your lowest, and your success is interpreted in that context. If you were a beta in the past, your current success is fake. If you were an alpha in the past and a beta now, you just got lucky back then.

Never show weakness, even for a split second.

bigbodybuilderr · 2018-04-30T02:43:53+00:00

"If you ain't got no haters, you ain't poppin' "

civilizedfrog · 2018-04-30T09:06:07+00:00

I think the reason why they get upset is because you are trying to jump from their "nice guy" aka faggatron list to their "gotta fuck em" list. If any one of these girls were dating you during all this time, she would personally tell everyone that she was the one who found and polished the "diamond in the rough". Since these girls lost that opportunity and now regret that, they respond by being all pissy.

Nutman-maddog · 2018-04-30T00:38:03+00:00

It’s just another fine display of crab bucket mentality. Call them out on it too, observe them to try justify themselves. See where the hamster wheel goes

Ill_Will7 · 2018-04-30T03:14:51+00:00

I think its because people of your past have already pegged you as a beta loser and that they are better than you and being better than you makes them feel better about themselves. Its like a race, they felt better knowing you were last and it put them 1 position higher than you. Now that your zooming by them, you have dropped their position a point and have insulted their pathetic source of power over you

YongeArcade · 2018-04-30T04:12:22+00:00

Why do women dislike it when they see former low-SMV men become successful?

Women are petty and do not like others improving themselves because they themselves should improve themselves. So seeing someone improve they are not happy for them, instead you are a reminder that they have no will power or resolve. So out comes the "mean girls".

Nergaal · 2018-04-30T08:37:02+00:00

Cognitive dissonance. You trained people to think of you one way. If you ever go back to your old low value, those people will smile at you (not strictly in a mean way) basically telling you "but you've always been XYZ" but they won't have to deal with the dissonance.

lord-denning · 2018-04-30T10:17:52+00:00

Women like the idea of “figuring a guy out” and knowing his slot, and when that is challenged it potentially invalidates their skill at assessment. Women are deathly afraid of being “Tricked” by a beta which is why they shit test.

This is why for example it is so challenging to get out of the friend zone.

cl3537 · 2018-04-30T13:46:47+00:00

Stop trying to impress women, that is not redpill. You will realize when you are actually successful nobody wants to hear about it.

People with money (not the nouveau rich) don't make a big deal about money and aren't impressed by it. The same goes for someone who will get a 'good job' soon.

You do you, and stop worrying about validation from others.

Notfappening · 2018-04-30T13:15:43+00:00

The crabs in a bucket attempt pull down the crab that tries to climb out. Dont let them. People like to maintain the status quo and take it personally when others succeed. I assume these people build themselves up by putting you down, now that you're up, they feel less than. Sound like crappy people, cut them out of your life and do you, man. You're doing great. It's hard, but I say don't give a fuck what they think and keep on crushing it. I see this as a sign you have improved your life considerably. Rock on bro

jizzonmypants · 2018-04-30T15:21:08+00:00

The same reason we don’t like seeing woman with plastic surgery or tons of make up, they feel cheated, although if you manage to overcome those difficulties they are not gonna give a fuck about your past because they see the present

redlittleboot · 2018-04-30T16:07:53+00:00

People resist change

altlegend · 2018-04-30T17:09:36+00:00

Women have a dumb ideology of allowing things to approach them rather than go for what they want. We see it in relationships, families, etc. Not all women clearly, there are female CEO's and such. However, I would blame the testosterone we have that pushes RP men to work and strive for their dreams. Think about it this way, we all dream, right? Yet, some of us work and progress to achieving the dream we have and others just dream and ponder on it, both dreams. But, pondering about a dream isn't validated by anything, just a few electrical pulses in your brain I guess. Women get mad because they expect the results and achievements to find or approach them. Instead of accepting the harsh reality that its rare for that to happen successfully and its up to them to go after their achievements and desires. I see this in High School, where they complain about the teacher on their grading, rather than their own personal effort. They have available Computer Programing sessions (girls only) with an attendance of around 10. They wont accept the fact that you got to work towards what you want not wait for it to be in front of your face ready for you to cherry pick. "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weights" - Ronnie Coleman

Zanford · 2018-04-30T17:58:49+00:00

Because they crave the best genes. If a low SMV-man can improve himself, women fear they might accidentally spermjack low quality sperm.

For whatever reason, 'drive and ability to improve oneself' are not seen as, themselves, good genes. Perhaps the trait has low heritability.

It's prob why women love fairy tale settings where the high-SMV men are high-SMV from birth and have their SMV broadcast in the form of crowns and clothing that distinguish upper/lower class.

Btw, did you specifically work on your voice? That could be a good TRP subject in itself, as not many guys do anything to optimize their voice

imaginethegainz · 2018-04-30T18:04:12+00:00

He does not deserve any of that

Lmfao

HyperSensitiveSigma · 2018-04-30T18:05:28+00:00

Why do women dislike it when they see former low-SMV men become successful?

Cos you went off script, Truman. (True-man)

Jampak_5000 · 2018-04-30T18:17:49+00:00

crabs in a bucket.

they hate to see someone climb out.

also, the more haters you got, the more you're making it.

Its not a direct correlation, but you get the idea.

truedemocracy3 · 2018-05-01T01:06:04+00:00

Heeeey - your story is similar to mine mate. I was never an 'omega' but definitely wasnt successful with women growing up. Never went to a dance until senior prom with a friend, didnt kiss a girl until drunkenly at a college party (she was fat too), never really had any style or hobbies outside of video games growing up either.

And while the change didnt happen overnight I used college as a 'reset'. I joined the best fraternity I could (was easy to re-invent myself with new wardrobe and people who didnt know how lame I was in H.S.) - this gave me instant social proof and exposure to women where I made countless mistakes before getting better. Focused big time on academics to land a good career - part of this I regret. My self esteem was so low that I felt the only way I could get a wife would be because of money and thus tried to get the best job out of college possible. DONT DO THIS.

And finally it wasnt until the last 4-5 years where I decided to prioritize fitness in my life and work out religiously. So now I have a bunch of great life experiences (travel, cool hobbies), a great body, a great job, confidence, etc. and have no trouble with women. ALL of whom are very high caliber (doctors, lawyers, former college cheerleaders). So the transformation IS possible.

But it's NOT just women who dislike seeing low smv men improve. It's EVERYONE. Your mom will hold you back because in motherly fashion she thinks you are great the way you are. Most likely if you got into your situation you dont have any strong masculine role models. I cant speak to women because frankly I knew no women in my 'before and after' transformation, but had PLENTY of guy friends who I abandoned as I climbed the ladder. The ones that are true friends stuck around, but you will get plenty of "why are you dressing like that", "you look like a douche bag", "No I dont want to do (x cool vacation adventure) I want to get drunk on the beach every day instead". People hate improvement because it serves as a painful reflection of why they are standing still in life. My advice? Screw everyone and focus on yourself.

BeATrumpet · 2018-05-01T03:55:32+00:00

Fuck yeah bro. Keep kicking ass and seriously, fuck those people. Surround yourself with success-minded people.

circlingldn · 2018-05-13T17:12:02+00:00

because youre a fucking doormat, and not even that, you want to be treated like one

[deleted] · 2018-05-24T18:10:50+00:00

Same reason people started shitting on bitcoin when it was skyrocketing: they missed the boat and they're pissed

beermagnate · 2018-04-30T09:33:48+00:00

They're just jealous cunts. Cut them out of your life! (not talking about family of course)

shubhidoobi · 2018-04-30T04:02:53+00:00

Hater's gonna hate, who gives a shit.

Edit: also next time, call them on their bullshit.

exscionewhuman · 2018-04-30T04:15:44+00:00

You may as well ask why do human beings display crab in the bucket mentality and be human beings. You know the answer.

I think your question is better asked from a male perspective. Let's imagine there are men competing for women, and let's say I am chad thundercock and you are going after a girl I want. I display good genetics, but also charisma, intelligence, have money, etc. Yet she goes after you the hypothetical danny devito of the genetic pool (huge hypothetical). In the natural course of things chad would just challenge danny to battle and we know how that would go.

You are pretending that you can compete with and beat other men. Women instinctively know you can't. If you are verne troyer no amount of game is going to fix that.

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