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Are men unable to secure relationships with women due to their misogyny? A look at the data.

August 26, 2022
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Crosspost "Are men unable to secure relationships with women due to their misogyny? A look at the data." from /r/PurplePillDebate:

It’s a commonly accepted idea on PPD and elsewhere that men are often single because their misogynistic behavior puts women off.

On the surface, this is an intuitively satisfying idea. One would expect that men who treat women poorly would have a difficult time forming stable relationships with them.

Although this is likely the case at least some of the time, I was curious to see if things like male virginity positively correlated to higher levels of sexism and misogyny in men, and if men who enjoyed sexual success had the opposite traits.

It’s common on Reddit to ascribe a lack of success with women to misogyny. I think we’ve all seen responses to a sexually frustrated and lonely man that suggest it’s his personality or misogynistic attitudes that are hindering him, and that he needs to change those behaviors to do better. The implication is that misogynistic men don’t do well with women. Is this true? Let’s look at some data. I’ll do my best to represent the data in good faith, but I expect the kind folks of PPD to hold me accountable.

First, we’ll look at a study from Spain:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6224861/pdf/main.pdf

In this study of ~2,700 teenagers (about 50/50 male female) sexism was found to be strongly positively correlated with romantic and sexual success in boys.

Sexually active boys displayed higher levels of all three types of sexism: hostile, benevolent, and ambivalent. It also revealed that the girls were more attracted to sexist boys, particularly of the benevolent type.

The boys in the study who had the least sexual experience were found to have the lowest levels of all three types of sexism. This suggests that it may be the lack of sexism, rather than the presence of it, that hinders men’s success with women.

This study does have some obvious issues. First, this is a study of teenagers and may not be representative of adult behaviors and preferences. Second, this was done in Spain only and may not be representative of other Western countries. A thought provoking study, but let’s look at more data.

In this study from the US:

https://europepmc.org/backend/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC4842162&blobtype=pdf

555 men (aged 18 to 25) were tested via surveys on levels of misogynistic attitudes and adherence to stereotypical masculine behavior.

The study found that misogynistic men had more consensual sex, more casual sex, significantly more partners, watched more porn, committed more sexual violence, and visited sex worker more often.

This is an interesting study. I’m going to go ahead and post this to get the discussion going. Later, I’ll add some studies that have shown no link between virginity and misogynistic attitudes and some that’s show that rapists tend to have more consensual sexual partners than other men and are rated as more attractive to women (Michelle Maronne, anyone?)

Thanks for your engagement.


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Title Are men unable to secure relationships with women due to their misogyny? A look at the data.
Author no_bling_just_ding
Upvotes 7
Comments 15
Date August 26, 2022 1:11 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]BumblingBeta 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one starts out as a misogynist or misandrist. It develops after repeated bad experiences with the opposite sex. A bit like those women who cry all men are trash.

Anyone who is blamed as a misogynist for their dating problems, they would never be successful even if they weren't a misogynist. It's irrelevant. They were unsuccessful for other reasons (eg. autism, ugly, short) and then developed misogyny after that.

[–]ScrimmyBingusTwo 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The feminists are being unusually quiet in the PPD thread......

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Chads are probably the most misogynistic motherfuckers out there, if you've ever had a deep conversation with one of them, that shit seeps through, and I'm not talking about that redpill misogyny

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW)[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont doubt it. when women are willing to fuck you, put up with all your demands and tolerate enjoy anything from you because of your looks, your view is gonna turn upside down real quick.

though there are also the blooper chads who believe that because they were nice and then got laid that you must be failing at that nonexistent first step

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I know this is not your post.

The poster is conflating two ideas.

1) Virginity

2) Secure relationship

These two ideas are not associated with each other. Virginity implies no access to sex. While failed relationship implies access to sex, but poor personality.

2nd, the poster is conflating masculinity with misogyny.

Anyways, poor argument overall. They need to be more precise in their definition.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the point the OP is trying to get across, is that misogynistic behavior has very little to do with dating success.

Men with good looks and very masculine traits will do well with women, regardless of whatever misogynistic beliefs or behaviors they may hold.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I apologize. I figured that after rethinking.

I think he could have worded it better. Women are attracted to masculine traits. Not msygony. I don't like the conflation.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW)[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you aint wrong but virginity indirectly indicates inability to get any type of dates

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit: I had to rethink the post again. I guess the poster is trying to disprove the claim that misogyny is the cause for failure to secure relationship? I can get where he's going with it. It's true in some sense, but it ignores a few things which I've pointed out.

The post is exploring not attraction in terms of looks, but the personality of the individual as the determining factor.

virginity indirectly indicates inability to get any type of dates

This is the conflation. The poster is arguing misogyny will make a person unable to secure a relationship.

If a woman has determined you to be unfit for a relationship based on your appearance alone, how can we say that misogyny had any role in that failure?

Most women will determine within the first 5 seconds if she will entertain the idea of a relationship with you based sole on your appearance. Most men will do the same. So if you are rejected because of this reason, we can't associate any sort of personality inside this equation.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a commonly accepted idea on PPD and elsewhere that men are often single because their misogynistic behavior puts women off.

This is called the Just World fallacy, an offshoot of Calvinism which says blessings come to the righteous and misfortune comes to the unrighteous.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW)[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

or castes of hinduism

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find this view absolutely ridiculous. It’s a stereotype that womanisers are misogynists. Redditors that say only good men get laid are the ultimate simps, they are effectively saying that females are the validators of all good.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW)[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

gynotheism

[–]Pilling_it 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbh I've had the most positive response from women when I started to use a very small dose of actual arrogance and "sexist" comments (quote marks there) so it checks out. Gotta be very aware of your environment and not overdo it though.

It's as typical as when a woman say "men amirite ?", instead of saying nothing, it's a small smirk saying "women amirite ?" and after whatever comes going "correct, I'm a man". Small things that reinforce that you are indeed a member of the opposite sex.

[–]RazhL 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most guys in relationships have no problem being arrogant, sexist or otherwise showing misogynist behaviour. It doesn’t stop them being loved and having a family.

I’ll even go as far as to suggest that being the above ups a males chances.
People love “confidence” above all, and nothing shouts confidence as much as looking down on someone.

I hate it and wish it wasn’t. But cannot deny seeing it every time again.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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