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BOTH men AND women want lightskin- whiteskin partners with Caucasian features over darker skin people with ethnic features.

inkwell22
February 21, 2023
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In non- white cultures lightskin Caucasian featured like men, are considered more desirable than their browner more "ethnic" featured counterparts.

Lightskin curry dude/chadpreets > over your typical brown curry dude / chadpreets in south Asian culture

Lightskin- white skin Hispanic dude/chadriguez > over your typical brown skin Hispanic dude/chadriguez in Hispanic culture

Exotic looking Lightskin mulattos > over your typical dark-skinned black dude in black culture

Even in white cultures where tans are seen as attractive over pale white skin. It is a GOLDEN skin color tan, and not some "shitskin" kind of brown color.

Whiteskin worship is HUGE in East Asia and bleaching over there is JUST as popular as it is in south asia. East Asians frequently do bleach themselves whiter/paler especially famous artists. Hell East Asians even go a step further and get DOUBLE EYELID SURGERY, in order to have a more "Caucasian" eye area over typical squinty Asian eyes.

Clearly men AND WOMEN in EVERY culture on earth, do not value brown and darkskin brown colors and ethnic features.

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Title BOTH men AND women want lightskin- whiteskin partners with Caucasian features over darker skin people with ethnic features.
Author inkwell22
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Date February 21, 2023 3:08 PM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]kanzakistudent 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right, but as a black man, I don't prefer white skin. I love a DARK black woman, are a DEEP DARK CHOCOLATE Desi woman. I don't find most light skinned East Asian women sexaully attractive, and think your south Asians, Thai, Filipinas, are more attractive. I would say that many black men are like this, even if the white worshippers outnumber the latter.

What's the solution? If everyone prefer light skin, we will all likely evolve to have those features. Not to mention, dark skinned people living in the west aren't in their natural habitats near the equator, and many of the jobs today are away from the sun-even the manual labor ones.

[–]puririnpa -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

with the global warming and white women and men having less kids than darker, ''primitve'' cultures, i predict the world will become darker instead, but who knows

[–]AverageCar 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would never date a white women

[–]infinitofluxo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on where you live. To me the only problem is that in my country it is hard to find dark skinned people with similar background and money, so it usually means these women are looking to gold dig me/feel they are scaling the ladder.

Also racism exists because of that so I would be having to defend her in many situations, and this must be fucking hard to bear.

But I have had two girlfriends with darker skin and in the end they were just like any other white human, fucked me up, so, it is not like they are some unknown heaven. But they are hot anyway

[–]ElectricBugs 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do think there is truth to generally a lot of people preferring white men or women.

That said, this isn't really pill related and will change as people become less racist over time

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

-white women actually prefer darker haired white guys, and a small niche of them fetishize dark skinned black guys, white guys prefer blondes or lighter skinned ethnics.

-from what i have heard from black female friends, majority actually prefer ''darkskin'' black dudes because it's considered ''manlier'' to them,mulatto or lightskin is only rly better if they want to date out. black guys prefer ''lightskin'' black girls and a loudish minority of them date anything not black.

true in east asia, south asia and middle east, i'll give you that but those cultures value looks far more in females than in males, thus you get a similar picture as those above anyway^^

so in fact, all cultures you listed put more importance in lighter features in women than men, western culture sees lighter features as feminine and eastern culture, while preferring lighter in both, puts less importance in male beauty anyway.

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[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

''This is cope from black women, they are mostly attracted to exoticmulattos. They just know that the average black woman can't lock onedown cause mulattos have higher smv than them and therefore moreattractive options than just black women. Basically, it's just "youcan't fire me, I quit!" behavior.''

one of the girls who told me this was actually dating a white guy herself, it was just what she witnessed in her class, a lot of white and latina girls in her class slept with black dudes while the majority of black girls, even the ones that were hit on by white or latino guys, didn't really like them, according to her experience.

but even if you won't accept this, you can see what high status or light skinned black women do vs what high status black men do, ice spice could probably date a white or mulatto dude but her current boyfriend is much darker than herself, beyonce or whitney houston didn't marry biracial or white guys either. whereas literally almost any famous black celebrity or athlete dates or marries either light skinned black women or white women, clearly the light skin preference is stronger among the males.

''You quite literally have nothing to back this claim up, you are just stating it and expect me to accept it at face value''

there is a reason east asia is a geomaxxing place for uglier men(and not just light skinned ones, even black dudes started doing it) and middle east or south asia is notoriously patriarchal, especially the muslim places, of course they will be harsher on women's looks.

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[–]Eyesofmalice 0 points1 point  (37 children) | Copy Link

I think it kind of depends, since in real life, I can vouch for the whitest people not being that attractive really.

I think attractiveness isn’t natural but taught. And I think people is taught from a young age to like the markers of the richest and most powerful group of people. Let’s not pretend that whiteness is just this neutral category that just exist, when in reality it is the race of the ones that went outside of Europe, murdered and rape their way into riches, and indoctrinated the local populace into hating themselves.

I do agree that whiteness is perceived as universally more attractive, but I don’t think it’s just a natural thing that happened on its own, it’s a thing that needed the relentless assasination and oppression of colored people.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (35 children) | Copy Link

Lighter features are mostly honestly only critically important on women, whereas darker men either get a pass or get fetishized based on being ''higher t' ' (even though this is junk science) this is what makes it annoying for me, dark skin should either be ok on both sexes or be undesirable in both (racist, but makes more' 'sense' ' than dark skin being masculine)

An asian that is as pale as a white guy is still less desirable than a black guy in the west, for example.

[–]Eyesofmalice 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

I think the fandom of bts disproves your last point.

I also think you’re being deceived too much by social media. Look the at partners of the most beautiful women on earth and you’ll see they’re overwhelmingly white. Most rich couples are white, this idea of racial inclusion and desire is only pushed as a placebo for a society that’s highly stacked for white men.

After all, the old incel sub was comprised of a vast majority of racial minorities that realize that women tend to only be attracted to white guys.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link

Bts are basically just famous and rich prettyboy musicians, but let's compare how being pale helps an average nerdy stem asian guy in usa. Doesn't work without the status or the prettyboy face.

And maybe women are mostly attracted to white men if you look at the preferences of white women. but black women prefer black men and even see white men as emasculated due to stereotypes. So it's more of an ingroup preference that can be admittely in white men's favor due to the country being white majority.

Most incels are asian or indian, black guys are actually sort of underrepresented among incels if anything(partly because there's more black women than men, so the inceldom problem among them is actually gender reversed) asian and indian guys do face racist stereotypes or emasculation, but it's not their skin color that is making them specifically undesirable.

[–]Eyesofmalice 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

I don’t have the energy to argue this any further lol.

For me the fact that you thinking that white men are disadvantaged in the dating market is incomprehensible, even more so considering that as a white man you can go to third world countries and get kids of attention while black people are overwhelmingly seen as animalistic in the rest of the world.

I think just looking at the racial composition of most powerful and rich couples should be evidence enough of the huge advantage white people have in the dating department.

Maybe you could point me at a study that finds that black people are being coupled more than white people and maybe I’d reconsider changing my stance, but it’s kinda hard to take your argument in good faith when the majority of attractive traits are culturally associated with white people. Even bts are Asian westernized men, they’re not really representative of the majority of Asia.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

I never suggested white men were disadvantaged in any way outside of black women not really liking them (because you suggested that ALL groups of women prefer them, which is false)

But their attractiveness seems to come from status rather than literal skin color considering a pale chinese guy is still low status. Whereas for white women, it's literally related to their coloring.

[–]Eyesofmalice 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

For play.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Well, what do you think of the study that suggests black have more sexual partners and less virginity rates than other males at least in college age group? Which seems to support my theory that darker skin isn't a dealbreaker for men as much for getting sexual partners, i linked it

https://contexts.org/blog/sexual-attitudes-among-college-students-similarities-between-white-black-latinx-and-asian-students/

[–]Eyesofmalice 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well I’m a black incel, so I’m super skeptical. In my personal experience most girls want white people, but maybe in America it’s different and like personal experience isn’t really relevant, so again. Fair play.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

In america, white privilege doesn't really apply and black men are more sexualized than asian or even white men whereas black or darker skinned women are unfairly mocked for being masculine. I'm discussing the western dynamics.

[–]negrogenius 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

An asian that is as pale as a white guy is still less desirable than a black guy in the west, for example.

no. asian men are above black men. they don't have negative stereotypes like being violent, lazy, etc.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

https://contexts.org/blog/sexual-attitudes-among-college-students-similarities-between-white-black-latinx-and-asian-students/

This study suggests black men, at least at college age have more sexual partners and less virginity rates than other males, including even white men albeit the difference was insignificant.

Black men might be opressed in other ways, but not in the sexual sense

[–]negrogenius 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

i've looked, but it doesn't show what race they're hooking up with. bw outnumber bm in the US, so that could easily explain it. bw have a scarcity mindset with bm, so their desirability is mostly due to bw supporting and uplifting black men and being a very loud minority.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

If you think them getting sex with their women instead of white women is bad, aren't you enabling white supremacy? The point is they are getting sex more than wm regardless. But even if you do the incel thing of not counting black women as women, bmwf is far more common than amwf, ambf or wmbf if you really had to compare. Heck even bmaf is a thing nowadays. Black men are considered sexually superior to all other men unfairly in 2023 due to white guilt.

[–]negrogenius 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

i never said it was bad. just that black men have a demographic advantage. there really are fewer black males than bf, which makes things easier for them compared to other minority groups.

i would say the reason those pairings are more common is simply because there are more black men in the US than asians.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

There are more black women than black men in usa, yet bmaf is more common than ambf and wmbf. Bmwf is far more common than bmwf too.

[–]negrogenius 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

that's because bw are under asian men and white men in the race hierarchy. they don't want to pursue serious relationships with black women. men do the proposing. when men date out, they are more likely to seek women above them in the hierarchy, not below them.

so black men do pursue relationships with asian women more frequently because it's a step up racially.

*i don't believe any of this racist stuff myself, but it's useful to acknowledge the biases humans have.

[–]layeredtomato1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

According to hypergamy theory, women date up instead, which should mean there should be more ambf or wmbf as even those men would rather hook up with black women, even if they don't commit to them than be total incels, you can test this on tinder too with using black women as catfishes, they would get a lot of matches from white or asian men.

Again, if one Day amwf of wmbf becomes more common than bmwf or bmaf, i will believe you that asian men are above the hierarchy, but at least nowadays, only kpop looking asian men are considered attractive at all and even that's more niche than black or white attractive men.

[–]riseofthepyu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they are viewed as being effeminate, nerdy, boring or small dicked, which is a bigger loss in america than being violent.

ask asian men or black men which of them has easier time getting white women.

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