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Chadfishing is the strongest argument for the blackpill.

March 4, 2023

I have yet to have seen anyone even try to refute chadpill

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Title Chadfishing is the strongest argument for the blackpill.
Author AdvancedMap5092
Upvotes 23
Comments 70
Date March 4, 2023 4:47 AM UTC (3 weeks ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
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[–]hutavan 14 points15 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The only argument bluepillers have is that chadfishing is unethical, which doesn't address the central point in and of itself, but I'll get to that. First I wanna make a case that it is not unethical. Lots of people just want to chat or even just scroll for a confidence boost and they're completely open about it. You know what you're signing up for and you should know that not every match is gonna be a date. It is only unethical if you trick the other person into meeting up, but if your intention is to just have a chat for fun, then how is that different from all the other people who only intend to chat/get matches and never intend to meet up? The result for the other party is the same at the end of the day.

The ethical question is a red herring tho and you should be wary not to fall for it. The main point is that women will completely disregard personality, all red flags, all safety concerns in order to shag the chadfish. A Chad can openly be a nazi, a child molester, a criminal, etc. have that on his profile and still have tons of enthusiastic matches. If personality and ethics were more important than looks to get dates, this would never happen.

[–]zastale 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

how is that different from all the other people who only intend to chat/get matches and never intend to meet up?

It’s okay because women are the only ones doing this.

[–]ROlderbrother -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The main point is that women will completely disregard personality, all red flags, all safety concerns in order to shag the chadfish. A Chad can openly be a nazi, a child molester, a criminal, etc.

The fact that all of you galaxy brains assume if the screenshot collage jpg said the bio said 'I'm a nazi' than it must be true! No way they'd put the normal photos in, get the matches and conversation, and then switch it back again. God damn do not go into a major metropolitan city. You'll end up the largest baron of bridges in the hemisphere.

[–]hutavan 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except the chadfish make sure to confirm with the women in chat that they're aware of the profile, or the pictures and what the tattooed symbols mean and the matches respond accordingly. If only you made the minimal amount of effort it takes to look into some popular chadfish experiments yourself, you would've known this. Instead you chose to blindly take a stance against with 0 info on the matter and you wanna lecture me about naivety jfl.

I already live in a major metropolitan city and I'm doing just fine. Who/what is baron of bridges?

[–]ROlderbrother 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol yeah the non discript crime. Almost like he had 'served 6 months of insurance fraud' written there instead. Because his actual crimes are never mentioned. What a puzzle.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's unethical 😅 just because other people are being shitty doesn't mean you have to be shitty...

[–]hutavan 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's the same tier of "unethical" as trolling, in fact, if you just do it to chat and elicit a certain textual response, it basically is just trolling. Nothing bad really happens to the one being trolled, but moralshitters still get their panties in a twist.

But like I said this is a red herring. Even if it's unethical, you can still discuss the results. You don't have to chadfish yourself if you think it's unethical, it's already been done. What harm is there in discussing it?

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

No harm in discussing it though I think that a similar experiment with crazy/inmoral Stacies would bring similar results of men apparently not caring about her shitty personality.

[–]hutavan 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but no one is telling women they need to better their personality to get laid. Most people know a woman of any personality or moral compass can get laid, so you wouldn't be discovering anything new there. But most redditors claim that for male success looks don't matter and thag personality determines whether a man will be successful in dating or not. They claim that permavirgins are unsuccessful because they are horrible people and even if they were tall and handsome they would still be virgins. Chadfishing flies in the face of all of those claims.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's due to people's tendency to look at the bright side of things (personality matters, eventhough doesn't matter as it should), social taboo (women chose shitty men and unattractive men are at a disadvatange due to genetics) and general dishonesty.

When dealing with liars/dishonest people you can also chose to ignore them, because they are not going to tell you they are lying.

They got a point though, which is why I insist personality is also another factor when it comes to dating success, but it's always more complicated than that. The majority of unattractive men dating decent looking women are succesful in other areas (money, safety) or simply met them at the right time when they were available and these men seemed useful enough and eventually cought feelings for them, but it could've been someone else. These men know they aren't particularly great so it must be their personalities!! (It's actually a combination of personality and luck, the luck of being in the right place and the right moment).

Then there are the unattractive women, who have been neglected so much (and sometimes abused) that they will absolutely fall for a decent man with a fun and nice personality even if he's physically unattractive too... that's the kind of women society wants you to settle for, the problem is that she might have a horrible personality and many other issues on top of being unattractive, not to mention that if she's unattractive to you a relationship would be pointless for the most part, though I believe that a relatively unattractive woman with a good personality could be worth dating for many men. And of course there are the attractive women with fucked up situations (mostly single moms) who will want a man with the 'good' personality. This is also the kind of women you are supposed to settle for.

Anyway, society in general doesn't like negativity and don't want to admit some ugly truths and to see their bubble burst, for many reasons, some of them reasonable and noble and some of them not so good or fair.

Best you can do is ignore whatever social pressure and still try to fit in enough and find your chances wherever they are and whenever they come up. In other words, you are on your own, don't expect many people to worry about your problems if they don't affect them too, they won't move a finger or admit an ugly truth.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Putting effort and hard work into improving your life will determine success.

Bitter vs motivated will largely determine the level of effort a man puts into building his life, career, social skills, health and charisma.

Chadfishing does not “fly in the face” of anything becuase it’s only bitter, non motivated men who are too cowardly to make an effort in real life who hide behind their computers making fake profiles to troll women. They do that becuase they don’t make the effort in the real world and they are bored out of their minds.

[–]Short_Persimmon2229 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What men are segueing for is to have regular dating lives.

You are out of touch.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And how does chad fishing facilitate that ? Mr so in touch

[–]Short_Persimmon2229 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Look at the study, not who is conducting it you idiot.

It is out of touch because we are nearing critical numbers of men who are having trouble dating via the fact they are not physically attractive enough. That’s it.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you in the wrong thread? Genius

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not unethical, it’s just sad.

Why would someone use that as a surrogate for practicing social skills with real people in the real world? Personal development is done in person, life skills are learned in real life. You don’t learn shit hiding behind fake personas online. That’s pure cowardice and will teach you nothing

[–]reeeeadnendn 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Although chadfishing is funny and often very informative, the strongest argument lies in all the scientific peer reviewed studies from several prestigious universities and think tanks from across the globe. I have yet to find anyone to even disprove them or argue as to why they’re incorrect, besides “correlation does not equal causation” and pathetic anecdotes. Even when writing coherent and logical arguments; I still get banned from subs when I bring up the stats, lmao. Some people hate science.

Blackpill gets negatively correlated with the crazy fucks on incels.is , so people will point fingers at them and insist all blackpillers are like that, and if you believe in the blackpill, you’re also like them. It’s irrefutable at this point, physical characteristics are the most important facet in dating, and claiming otherwise is naive ignorance.

[–]AdvancedMap5092[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say now genetics supersedes every other characteristic by a large margin.

What’s interesting as 10-20 years ago this was common knowledge, but surprisingly as it becomes more important the less acceptable it is to discuss.

[–]crypto_druid 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Let me correct that for you….

physical characteristics are the most important facet in online dating.

The real world does require more effort though, and is a much steeper learning curve than it does to make profiles and hide behind a computer to talk to women

[–]reeeeadnendn 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree on a technicality, since personality does matter for long term relationships. However, even when face to face and speed dating, physicality is the most important factor. In addition, over 40% of American couples meet online first. This number only increases by the year.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

why do you think it’s only looks or personality? I never made that argument.

speed dating is real life either, it’s a controlled social environment

im glad more men are cowardly hiding behind their screens to meet women. Means less competition in the real world for men like me who aren’t opposed to discomfort and pain

[–]reeeeadnendn 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just realized we’re replying on two different posts lol.

But anyways, if you consider speed dating a “controlled social environment”, then what is work? Or school, church, bars, clubs etc. anywhere where you meet women? We don’t exist in a vacuum, everything is a controlled social environment when there are things you can and cannot say.

I didn’t, that’s what I interpret from the source I linked, as it is measured with other quantifiable attributes.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no other controlled environment where you only get two minutes to talk to someone and are forced to base decisions on a fleeting encounter. It’s obviously going to be more superficial.

Quantify as much as you like. It still works out better for men like me who have the balls to talk to women in real life and have a life that people are happy to be invited into. Both of those require discomfort and pain to acquire, two life factors that internet cowards are avoiding

[–]royalxassasin 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

physical characteristics are the most important facet in



online dating is irl, just cause you a 5/10 normie approach a girl who has 10 giga chads wanting to take her out on a date that week doesnt give u easier chances

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

See, this is the problem.

boys these days dont understand that the internet and the real world are two very different realities.

youre never going to put the level of effort required to succeed in the reality of the real world, you’ll continue to take the path of least resistance and hide behind a screen and wonder why nothing it working

[–]royalxassasin 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

throwing all these assumptions about me exposes the fact that you have a pre disposed bias and belief of how people with certain beliefs operate and therefor are more concerned with not being proven wrong than trying to learn

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What assumption did I make?

You said online is real life.

It just isn't.

You're welcome to try to “prove me wrong”.

So far, you've not even attempted to.

[–]royalxassasin 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Presuming that I'm some kid with 0 experience and that Im not putting in any effort and taking the path of least resistance etc. Just that alone tells me youre not going into this with an open mind and that it's therefor pointless, but I'll write it for the others reading this

The ball is in your court. I already gave an anecdote of why saying it isn't real life is silly

Plus just 2 days ago one of my friends got rejected by a girl he asked out. They were co workers. She said she started dating this guy she met from hinge just a few days before he asked her out. Now if it wasn't for hinge maybe my friend would've been dating her as speak. A good chunk of girls are taken off the market through online dating with guys they would've otherwise never met before

I'm not even gonna get into how they use it to fill up the void of attention by getting bombarded my hundreds of matches from guys which gives them that attention they need without which otherwise they wouldn't be leaving guys they know irl on read, easily breaking up with their bf, etc.

There's a strong correlation between the amount of women getting on dating apps and the amount of single men struggling and rise in promiscuity and decline of relationships. Anyone who thinks online dating hasn't affected the real world whether you're on OLD or not either has their head in the sand or lacks the IQ to see what's going on in the world

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Though, I will give your friend his dues for being able to put his balls on the line and endure the discomfort of being rejected in real life.

If he is prepared to consistently endure discomfort and try his luck in the real world, He will ultimately experience more success than any black pilled incel who avoids the discomfort and hides behind his screen to meet women.

Edit…Same applies to you if you are genuinely walking the same path as your friend. If you say you are then I trust that you are. It’s not the easier route, it’s much harder, requires more learning, pain and developing than DMing online….but ultimately more rewarding in the long run.

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It really is. When I lived in a major city 3 years ago from the ages of 18-20 I was able to make a tinder account and receive tons of matches, I had some hookups, girls would message me first. I was beginning to think I was a bit of a catch.

Then I moved back home and I would make tinder accounts at home, but would not even come close to the same success.

I decided to chadfish and all of the girls I wished would have swiped right on me who I just thought ("oh they probably don't use tinder much") would without fail match with the chad.

Honestly even with the chad profile the women would prove difficult to interact with, but I definitely got many more matches. It showed me my place in the pecking order, and at that point the black pill had already been a big part of my life, so this was true confirmation that I do not belong in the top 20% (height alone takes me out as I am not 6ft), and that no woman will ever deem me worthy of anything besides betabux.

Looking back, really only a few of the girls that I even matched with in the city were worth anything as far as looks anyways. Most are 100% chad only and proud.

I have had some success with women, but that was three years ago. Even in just these three years female hypergamy has grown tenfold.

You know what... I am going to make a chadfish account after my piano lessons today. Should be a good way to spend my saturday night. Chadfishing while sipping some beer.

[–]AdvancedMap5092[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is a good source of motivation and seeing clearly through all the bullshit

[–]SedTheeMighty 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t wanna self promote but my video is the testimony. I can’t type all the stuff I said in this https://youtu.be/kSTHvpYUi-A

[–]SedTheeMighty 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. It opened my eyes COMPLETELY

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My argument,

dating apps are shallow and material, personality and social competence doesn’t play any factor. Of course good looking guys are only going to get swipes.

I have had a lot of success outside of apps….in apps it’s always an uphill struggle to get matches, my inbox is a graveyard of unread outgoing messages. So I’m deff not a Chad…..yet in real life I have built my social skills and my status enough to be able to talk to women and ask them out and I’m happy enough with the results.

The strongest argument against the black pill is the success of non conventionally good looking men all around the world, I gaurantee you the vast majority of them didn’t achieve success by sitting on their asses using apps, they achieved it by putting in the blood sweat and tears to become the best versions of themselves…..the type of hard work and commitment that the black pill is opposed to.

[–]AdvancedMap5092[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My argument: women set the standard of what gets picked. The dating apps are shallow because the women are shallow.

Online dating is seeping into real life, making it harder for the average/short looking guy to find a date.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why does it have to be easy? Life is hard.

Do something about it or don't, up to you

[–]royalxassasin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chadfishing is what made me realize i was wrong and that blackpill is real. Used pics of Richard Heinze and set 37 dates in 2 days. Nice one lol

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