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Do you believe in making cosmetic surgery more readily available?

Antisocial_Nihilist
March 5, 2023
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Title Do you believe in making cosmetic surgery more readily available?
Author Antisocial_Nihilist
Upvotes 12
Comments 65
Date March 5, 2023 4:34 AM UTC (3 weeks ago)
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Comments

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 8 points9 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Wow, this guy and I had a lot in common. And our end results were similar. Even down to our prior and current facial shape.

To answer your question, yes i think cosmetic surgery should be covered via insurance for mental health/body dysmorphia issues.

I also think everyone here should a) go into debt for plastic surgery and default on the payments or b) go overseas for surgery. Not even kidding - bankruptcy for 7 years is a lot better than wasting your youth being an ugly outcast.

Blackpill ain’t changing, you either adapt or get left behind. Look at this guy - went from a 4 to a 7.

I’d say he used a heavy combination of invasive surgeries and fillers — and fillers are VERY AFFORDABLE options in place of invasive surgery. I’d limit invasive surgeries to bimax, nose, ears, and very select eye areas and fillerfraud the rest.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

If transgender hormone therapy is covered by insurance under Federal Law, I don't get why cosmetic surgeries are not.

https://transequality.org/know-your-rights/health-care#:~:text=Federal%20and%20state%20law%20prohibits,medically%20necessary%20transition%2Drelated%20care.

I know 2 people who have killed themselves because they were ugly and felt mistreated by others. And to be honest thier facial imperfections could have been fixed or at least greatly improved with minor procedures like a chin implant, dermabrasion, eyelid surgery, ect.

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I agree completely. Body/facial dysmorphia is real. But insurance companies are adamant on not covering “cosmetic” procedures - I guess someone has successfully argued that trans surgery is not strictly cosmetic but medical.

Maybe you can try and see if you get approved? You’d have to build a big paper trail of a) getting diagnosed with body dysmorphia b) seeking psychological treatment with no improvement

[–]TaxNegative161 -5 points-4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Yeah unfortunately they had all these things called evidence where researchers in nearly every field of medicine combined their efforts and worked out optimal treatments for gender dysphoria.

I wish people would be embarrassed to publicly malign trans people while screaming about how they want he right to alter their body cosmetically and not pay for it.

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Are you just here to simp for trans or did you actually have useful input?

[–]TaxNegative161 -4 points-3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Nah just reminding you all of the absurd amount of evidence that went into trans healthcare and how this embarrassing pity party is full of a certain type of person.

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m sure it took the combined might of the greatest intellectual minds of our era to come up with the revolutionary solution of “This person feels like a woman so give them surgeries and hormones that turn their body into a woman”, thanks for the reminder!

The best treatment for trans is to transition, yes, because their mental health is at stake due to the disparity between their body and their identity.

Do you want to undermine the struggles of people with body dysmorphia (which is the “certain type of people” you’re referencing)? Or you just don’t like them because they’re men? Probably the later like a typical le Reddit simp.

Your input is useless and so are you.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the kicker though.

It's not "body dysmorphia" if you actually are objectively ugly.

[–]TaxNegative161 -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol you really did try to pretend to give a shit about medical evidence so you can pretend to be a rational big boy. Unfortunately it proved too great a task and you just couldn't press post without embarrassing yourself first. Admirable.

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You sound like a tard ranting at this point tbh. Like Jfc you post 50 times per day on Reddit exclusively on dating/pill subreddits. You must be down bad.

[–]TaxNegative161 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure am buddy. Keep going your winning.

[–]feelinlikeitsdecaf-1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

The freaks should just be thanking their lucky stars they aren't being launched off buildings and then they have the nerve to get their satanic perversions funded by other people's money

[–]TaxNegative161 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. Normal stuff. Have a great day.

[–]feelinlikeitsdecaf-1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Have a useless pitiable freak day

[–]TaxNegative161 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sure will. Hope you stop being really mad at stuff you made up.

[–]feelinlikeitsdecaf-1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Buildings

Pitiable freak

[–]TaxNegative161 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol yeah let me just click the links from a stable and normal person lmao

[–]reeeeadnendn 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Did you get a buccal fat removal like the guy in OP?

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t because I did not need it.

[–]fatsackguy47 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think he got BFR, he just added “bone” to the rest of his face to hollow his cheeks.

[–]reeeeadnendn 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m not sure, hard to tell. Both pics are taken from different focal lengths, his zygomatic width is longer in the left photo. I was thinking BFR + jaw implants or widening.

[–]fatsackguy47 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m thinking ramus implants for sure yeah.

[–]TheRedPillRipperRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

mental health/body dysmorphia issues

This is the issue. Any ‘cosmetic’ solution, changes only ‘the appearance.’ Not the reality. Imagine if the man pictured had kids. That looked nothing like him, or his partner? There was a case of this in Asia. If I recall correctly too, the spouse who had undergone cosmetic surgery was sued.

making cosmetic surgery more readily available

No. Ultimately at the root of body dysmorphia disorder, is a mental health issue. Address the root. Not the symptom. It’s far less invasive, to accept your physical limitations, than go under the knife.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]fatsackguy47 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he got lower eyelid surgery, jaw implants (ramus), and then upper maxilla fillers (potentially a implant but more likely filler). Maybe a chin augmentation of some sort as well.

[–]HikingConnoisseurRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

went from a 4 to a 7.

Maybe it's me but this guy is AT least an 8

[–]inkvell688 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely it should be. That's why I made a thread a little while ago about how cosmetic surgeries should be state funded if you are below 7/10. We spend 173 BILLION dollars annually on OBESITY in the healthcare system. It cost around 50k to get all the invasive surgeries (jaw surgery, rhinoplasty, eye area, cheekbone implants/fillers). If we took the funding that went into helping disgusting obese people who are too lazy to stop stuffing their faces with twinkies every 5 minutes, and actually put it towards helping ascend people who are unattractive for physical features they were BORN with, we could ascend around three million four hundred sixty thousand people in a YEAR. 173 billion divided by 50,000 equals 3,460,000.

[–]SedTheeMighty 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤣🤣🤣 what a world this would be

[–]SedTheeMighty 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how much his dating life changed ? Need an interview lol

[–]zastale 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes. More importantly, proper posture/eating/breathing habits need to be taught. Malocclusion/jaw recession/sleep apnea are all relatively new problems; our ancestors had perfect jaws with room for all teeth. No other animal has teeth/jaw issues.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What has caused recession ?

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The mass introduction of soy into our diets may have contributed to all the men who have recessed chins.

It's not a joke, soy can cause lower testosterone both in pregnant mothers and in developing boys who consume soy containing products, testosterone in these stages is important for proper bone growth in males. And soy is literally in everything these days.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11524239/

[–]gummyboy1292 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

to abybody reading this, please watch hbomberguy video on soy on youtube. The OP is spreading extremely dangerous misinformation and is full of shit.

[–]reeeeadnendn -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh nope, he’s quite spot on. Although there is no proof of the more test = more bone concept. There is definitely a link to low test in young men.

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Likely mouth breathing.

[–]Opening_Pattern_301GloriousPill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

incredible how just a few inches of bone can alter somebodies appeareance drastically

[–]blebbyroo 1 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Wow he looks good.

Too bad his kids won’t look like him though

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 4 points5 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

He was guaranteed to not have good looking kids beforehand. Best the chump on the left can do is a 3-4/10 woman.

Now, he can punch well above his genetic weight and score a 7-9/10, which hopefully would off-set his own genes.

This at least gives his kids a chance.

[–]blebbyroo -2 points-1 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Bit of a deception though for the woman if he doesn’t tell her

I would be sad if my kids didn’t look like me or my partner (assuming they look more like him than her)

[–]TelephonicRugPeddler 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s plastic surgery, not AIDS. I dont think it’s morally wrong to not tell her since it’s personality that matters most 😉

Personally, I wouldn’t care much because I’d just get them surgery too. I’m not having kids because I don’t want to risk having a short son, I’m extremely lucky to even be 5’9 but I come from a family of 5’6 manlets.

Either way, this guy’s kids were 100% guaranteed to be ugly, now it’s closer to 50% depending on the hottie he settled with.

[–]mistab7 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I would be sad if my kids didn’t look like me

Wanting your children to look like you is pure narcissism.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Me or my partner. Finish the sentence if you are going to quote.

It’s natural to want to see resemblance in your children to either yourself or your partner.

[–]mistab7 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Only narcissistic parents see their children as extensions of themselves.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol no. I am a parent I am fully aware my child is their own person, will have their own likes dislikes and needs, and I can still like that when I look at them that I can see bits or myself and bits of my partner.

It’s a great feeling, all parents love when people tell them that they can see the resemblance.

[–]mistab7 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you really saw them as truly separate people you wouldn't be upset if they didn't look like you.

all parents love when people tell them that they can see the resemblance.

Not all parents are as narcy as you.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep telling yourself that bud

[–]fatsackguy47 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

I would be sad if my kids were ugly

no shit lmao

That’s why you get surgery for them too

[–]blebbyroo -2 points-1 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That’s not what I said.

I would rather spend money on private schools/vacations than on cosmetic surgeries for children if it’s not impacting their physical health

[–]fatsackguy47 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

I would be sad if my kids didn’t look like me or my partner (assuming they look more like him than her)

ok

private schools

why this shit is cope.

Also I want what your smoking if you browse these forums and DONT think it’s 100% necessary to looksmax your sons. Would you like your son to be romantically lonely and have a shit dating life (until he gets settled for) and quality of life in general?

[–]blebbyroo -2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

If my future son looks like his dad he is going to be fine. If he looks like the men in my family he is going to be fine.

My partner was an athlete so we are planning on getting our kids into sports from when they are 3. This will help future son too

Both of us enjoy working out so would be happy to have gym memberships for our kids if they like, and we also think It’s important to eat healthy, and do well in school 🤷🏻‍♀️

Chances are our kids will be fine romantically

[–]fatsackguy47 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So you don’t care cause you claim you already have good genes.

Are you aware of your lack of perspective? I can’t tell if your joking at this point. It’s a little bit concerning they should really screen people before letting them post on pill forums.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You asked if I would want to looksmax my sons and that was my answer

Would you like to screen pill forums so that you only have one perspective from the same type of people?

[–]fatsackguy47 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You don’t care about looksmaxxing them because you think they will already turn out okay.

I’d like to screen for people that aren’t deluded and ignorant. To remove people who actually think “personality matters a lot”. Or people who deny your success in dating is based 99% on your height, muscular and face as a man. Or people who think Chad doesn’t have harems.

It isn’t about having one perspective, it’s about getting rid of clueless people who have no idea what’s going on.

[–]inkvell688 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"Muh physical health"

How about the progressively deteriorating of mental health that comes from being an ugly person that's a virgin past a certain age hmm? You virtue signaling hores have been virtue signaling about "mental health" recently in the past decade or so, so what about that? Or does mental health not matter when it comes to men?

Oh I before you clap back at me I bet I'm fitter than you, you old hag, I'm a runner.

[–]blebbyroo -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people who think they are ugly are average looking. For average people who have the idea that they are ugly because of lack Of Success it usually has more to Do with their personality or social skills.

For the unfortunate people who really are below average, they should do whatever they can / need to feel better and hopefully that includes therapy.

The guy in the OP wasn’t ugly btw he was average and went to above average.

[–]fatsackguy47 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember that for women 80th percentile is average.

Guy in the OP was well below average for a woman.

[–]Pillan24 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lucky guy. I wish I could look like that without surgery

[–]jackedsoon 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]Pretty_Network5856 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We aren't the ones that need to be altered.

[–]l00ks-p1lled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it should be more availablle and society should accept its benefits instead of demonizing it as something vain or narcissistic. However I believe current procedures are not enough to "ascend" most unattractive people and I think governments should invest funds to improve them or invent new procedures or methods.

I don't know anything about DNA and genetics but I often ask myself if it could be theoretically possible to alter a face genetically so that you can looksmax in the most natural way possible, it would be the coolest thing

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the more people get it, the less effective it is in regards to attractiveness. it should be more available for people who want to fix deformities and scars and so on.

[–]NationalistGoy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow this guy used the chad face filter in real life. Instant boost to his self steem.

[–]xingxiaochen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]Moist-Citron-1110 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah because then men can live up to the standards women have.

[–]stophatingmybodyLambdaPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe people should have the choice to do as they wish with their body. If it makes them happy, then so be it.

I also believe in changing the behaviors of people towards those they don't consider attractive. We all have invasive thoughts about the way other people look - we do not need to act on those thoughts all the time.

[–]Rook_Cross -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lot of bad plastic surgery out there, lot of surgery that doesn't age well. Not everyone will be happy in the end. We shouldn't spend tax dollars on it, that's for sure. Too many guys think it's looks, height and money and will be disappointed to find out it was just them and their personality, which takes more to fix.

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