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Guys, I have good and bad news for you.

RatDontPanic
March 7, 2023
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The bad news first. Sorry but 80% of you men out there will not hook up with /marry a super beautiful woman. Perish the thought, y'all are going to get with Becky Average who may or may not be overweight. You gotta accept that because it's the law of raw statistics. 80% of men just ain't gonna get with the top 20% of women, and an Instagram babe is just a hard no.

Fact is, you're going to have to abandon those supermodel girlfriend dreams and get with reality. Your best bet is to hope for a Becky Average who is a woman of good character, and your best chance of finding her is to vet the women you talk to or date. Choose poorly and you will find crushing loneliness to be a refuge from the kind of hellish relationship you could wind up in. Just ask Johnny Depp or the protagonist from Gone Girl (wait did I just say the same thing twice?).

The good news? Proper vetting might land you a date/relationship with a good woman. Women do date short and ugly dudes. Only by making sure you found a woman of good moral character and who have interests similar to yours will you reduce the odds of her losing attraction to you later.

tl;dir: Set realistic expectations. Focus on something besides her looks. Avoid superficial women!

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Title Guys, I have good and bad news for you.
Author RatDontPanic
Upvotes 7
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Date March 7, 2023 4:03 PM UTC (3 weeks ago)
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[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont have supermodel girlfriend dreams; i have supportive chaste wife dreams. i may not be a woman but i know them well enough that i have realistic expectations of settling for a carousel rider because thats whos gonna give my future 40 year old self a chance or my left hand

[–]l00ks-p1lled 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Or you can try Looksmaxxing and try to become good looking enough to be physically attractive in the eyes of Beckys, you may never have a Stacy gf but I think having easy access to genuine sex with Beckys is still really nice

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beckys are still going to want a natural chad to have casual sex with. If you are using online dating then if you aren't a chad there is a 0% chance any beckys on there will have casual sex with you. Just slicking your hair back as an incel isn't going to make girls like you. Chad genetics will.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Superficial men and women are poison and should always be avoided.

[–]l00ks-p1lled 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

good luck avoiding 99% of people

[–]LainselBluePill 5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

implying the average "becky" isn't chasing chad

implying short/ugly dudes will ever be picked by women to begin with outside of extreme outliers who may or may not be famous/rich

Dating app statistics already prove that 80% of women are chasing the top 20-5% of men and yes, that includes fat homely women, artsy girls, the average "nerdy" girl and every other type of woman you can think of. After all, why wouldn't they? Women are instinctually attracted to chads

[–]honestjoin -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

cope tbh, tons of looksmatched pairings.

[–]LainselBluePill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really, not among younger folks

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As someone who spent the last two years working as a cashier while attending school and being on a college campus. I can tell you that there are *no* looksmatched pairings. Usually I will see in shape decent looking guys with a fat beast at his arm. Out of my years working customer service I have seen less than 10 couples where the woman is better than the man in any way.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually I will see in shape decent looking guys with a fat beast at his arm

I worked retail in Texas and this pairing is what I mostly saw.

[–]caption291 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But you see, If I define a looksmatch pairing based on who matches then the average pairing is by definition looksmatched regardless of what they look like!

What do you mean circular logic? Logic doesn't have a shape you dummy.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yet ugly and short dudes continue to find relationships with women. How does that happen if what you're saying is true?

[–]LainselBluePill 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't see that happening among younger peeps

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There's a LOT of women out there who won't date short men. This is very true. But you can navigate around them to find other women who aren't that stupid and hypocritical. Can't attract a nail? Build a proper magnet!

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, because these girls are so prevalent. It seems you watched a coming of age movie where the nerd gets with the attractive girl who sees through his outer appearance. New flash, that does no exist, and in today's dating climate that is becoming more and more of a fantasy than it already was.

[–]caption291 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If there's a LOT of women out there who won't date short men. That means a significant percentage of short men will not be able to find those "reasonable" women.

The existence of women that don't care about height does not mean there's a woman that doesn't care about height for every short guy. You're way too focused on the existence part and not enough on the ratio.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

In that case short men will have to look elsewhere to find a reasonable woman, maybe outside the city/area/country.

[–]caption291 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say there weren't enough women that don't care about height to match the number of short guys in a specific city/area/country.

I said there weren't enough women that don't care about height to match the number of short guys.

[–]Romeo_RichBoy -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cope, male:female ratio is 1:1 so most people end up with someone

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who they end up with vs. who they give their prime years to is a different story.

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Saying otherwise is a major cope. Yeah, maybe when we are in our 40s a used up whore will tolerate our presence so she has a roof over her head and food on the table, but never in a million years would even a morbidly obese 20 year old on tinder settle for anything less than at least a chad-lite. That is where the 1-1 ratio *might* work in our favor. Still, at younger ages most if not all women are members of a harem known as chad's harem.

[–]SoldierExcelsior 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can just not in the west and not making $30k a year driving a Corolla...

Make $100k a year buy a condo (some place interesting) buy a BMW get 50k subscribers on social media then go to Vietnam or the Philippines.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

🤣Crazily, this would actually work

[–]SoldierExcelsior 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know several men doing this retired,got work from abroad careers or have investments I could leave for Ghana rite now if I wanted.

[–]Opening_Pattern_301GloriousPill 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You have better chances of finding a woman of good morals and character if you re attractive than if just hope some women will look past whatever unnattractive qualities you have.....fortunately, although looks or height indeed are notice by women, they arent what attracts a woman the most towards you, so rather than just looking for a woman of morals and characters, you build up your morals and character

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You have better chances of finding a woman of good morals and character if you re attractive

If she requires you to be attractive then she automatically precludes good morals/character. Think about it - if she doesn't love you because your looks are 4 she doesn't love you because your looks are 8. She loves your looks, not you. You're just a ++status artifact for her.

[–]Opening_Pattern_301GloriousPill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

looks arent the only thing that make a man attractive, confidence, security, charisma, good mental health, social skills and proper physical fitness weight by far more than looks for men, of course looks will get many women attention, but if you try to lead with looks indeed you gonna end up with a shallow woman nobody else really like but better than nothing, same situation will happen if you try to lead with status or money.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the clarification! Well said.

[–]Opening_Pattern_301GloriousPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

just picture a good looking guy who also wants a woman of good morals and character, what should he do if he doesnt wants shallow bitches who only see him as a symbol of status or ego? there you have the answer, cultivate the qualities that make us men.

[–]Opening_Pattern_301GloriousPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

btw dont asume that just because a woman is average looking or ugly she isnt shallow or superficial, those blanket statements will leave you disappointed.

[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fact is, you're going to have to abandon those supermodel girlfriend dreams

Noooo, please, just not my supermodel dreams! :(

[–]Traditional_Ad1602 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just want to feel 'loved' atleast one time in my life. Thats all,

[–]LeMansManletRacer 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck are on about? The biggest crush I ever had was a sweet, hard working chubby brunette with glasses. She was a complete dork but I would have given her anything she ever wanted. I would have made so many goddamn babies with her. But I wasn't tall enough for her. Fair enough, when your my height your ever rarely tall enough. I've been with older women and I was never disappointed when they took their clothes off, I kissed every goddamn inch because I knew how lucky I was

[–]rogueamazondrone 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

both sexes need to just accept that the opposite sex owes them nothing.

[–]Constant_Ad6906 1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

There no such thing as a woman with good character.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Good women are rare, but if you believe that none exist, you've been dealing with the wrong woman. You need to re-calibrate the way you look for women to date.

[–]Constant_Ad6906 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

The words of a future ex husband.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Been married for 20 or so years but you never know, eh?

[–]Constant_Ad6906 -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Could be that its taken her this long to replace you.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

¯\(ツ)/¯ you never know, do you?

[–]Constant_Ad6906 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You might not.

[–]EviessVeralan 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Anytime you see someone say any variation of "All men/women are trash" its a dead giveaway that they suck at vetting partners.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

its cope, there are women with good character they're just much harder to find than the worst of women. firsthand experience tells me this is also the case for men

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, because even *if* women of good character exist they would go against their nature and settle for non-chads. Seems really realistic.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

women of good character are in such high demand that chads would get them before the rest of us anyways

[–]EviessVeralan 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not necessarily. A lot of "Chads" tend to just want to spend their lives hopping from woman to woman. The women youre speaking of wouldn't be interested in that.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

good im not interested in living like that so its less competition for me although on the flip side ive been told that even chads want to settle down after time and do reverse AF/BB so i dont know enough about how women feel about this

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Manosphere guys tend to think settling is a bad thing and that women who "settle" dont really love the guy theyre with.

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They don't love the guy at all. They love the roof over their heads and they love the food on their table that is provided by the man.

[–]EviessVeralan -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But you just said women of good character would settle for a decent guy and now theyre secretly using the guy for resources. Which is it?

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought my sarcasm was evident when I said that women of good character would settle with men. I don't believe that to be true unless the good character woman was atrociously ugly, or down on her luck and in need of resources. Either way they would never be happy with the man they are settling for.

At the end of the day I don't really believe a morally sound woman exists. I feel the best adjective to describe women is "hypergamous"

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought my sarcasm was evident

It can be hard to detect sarcasm reading a comment.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree, there are still traditional low body count women who have great character out there. I know because I'm marrying one. I will concede that depending on your location they can be nearly impossible to find.

[–]Constant_Ad6906 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I personally don't care about body count. For me the higher the body count the better. Means she more likely to fuck on one night stand.

[–]caption291 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fact is, you're going to have to abandon those supermodel girlfriend dreams and get with reality.

Very good advice. I have shown this at the latest patriarchy meeting and literally all bottom 80% of men agreed it was a good idea and we have all implemented that change!

I can't wait for Becky average to hear about it so she can feel the pure joy of men finally having realistic expectations. As soon as Chad gets out of her room I'll let her know.

[–]inkvell573 -3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah no, I refuse to settle for anything that's not atleast my equal. Indian, brown, born and raised in the west average- below average looking, fit, 6ft (which is considered tall for a curry so she needs to ATLEAST be 5'7-5'8 and yes it's possible cause my sister is literally 5'7), and lastly, but certainly not least, virgin.

[–]blebbyroo 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Most Indian women I know are short

[–]inkvell573 -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Then I can't get with them and so I rather get multiple surgeries and bleach myself in hopes to get with a white/ Latina becky that's taller. I refuse to let my future sons be manlets just because of the genes of some curry f0ldlet.

[–]blebbyroo 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You should maybe not be so racist to people

Especially people with your heritage, self hate isn’t cool

[–]inkwell453 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You should maybe not be so racist to people

Too bad, racism is real. 😛😛😛

Some people are born better looking than others. Some ethnic groups/races/nationalities have better looking people on average, compared to the average people of other ethnic groups/ races/ nationalities.

Especially people with your heritage, self hate isn’t cool

For the sake of my future children and their happiness (of which like 95% of it is based on their looks), I am willing to do, and say ANYTHING, if it means ensuring that they get to live a happy and healthy life, and not have to suffer a horrible and depressing one, like I had to.

I say it unashamedly, that you're average Indian man and woman is an absolutely ugly mess (me included) and that I am willing to change almost every facet of the way i physically look, whether it's my internal facial structure, the color of my skin, and even get LL if I have to, in order for me to become physically attractive enough so I can get someone of another race that i deem attractive enough, to bear me attractive children.

If even then, my children are not attractive enough, and if they wish it so, then I'm willing to spend thousands of dollars, even tens of thousands of dollars in order to get them whatever cosmetic work they need done, even if it puts me into debt, in the name of their happiness and fulfillment, 🤗🤗🤗

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would it be easier to get an arranged marriage from India? I say this kindly, as I know a lot of Indian guys who have arranged marriages. And being born and living in the west I imagine you would have a pretty good pick?

I obviously don’t know how it works idk if families need to have ties or if there is a matchmaking service of whatever, but you could use your strengths like that?

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[–]lovelythecove 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Laughing over here at 5’1 married to my 6’3 husband with our 99th% sons who dwarf their peers. My FIL is 6’3 and MIL is 5’, their sons are 6’3 and 6’2, daughter is 5’9. But yeeeeah. You’re doomed to have “manlet” sons if you don’t marry a 5’8 woman. It’s not as if height is extremely heritable or anything……

[–]orbstnedifnocdesab 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

height is all genetics. two 6'6 parent can make a 5'6 manlet while two 5'2 parent can make a 6'6 man

[–]AceArguments1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The bad news first. Sorry but 80% of you men out there will not hook up with /marry a super beautiful woman.

Well, that's good news for all the ugly women out there. Myself included of course.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if they read the rest of my advice, like looking for a woman of good character instead of hot babes, otherwise they'll cry like bitches about how they can't get a Selina Gomez/etc. lookalike. You're not missing out if they swerve you, just like men aren't missing out on being swerved by a woman because of his height.

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is this? You think every man is just trying to hook up with supermodels? The beckys only want men in the top 20%. Even the morbidly obese do. There is no "vetting" women unless you are a chad. Most men on this subreddit are lucky if a woman even sees us as a human, let alone have options to vet from. For a man to even be able to vet a woman for anything besides her looks her needs to actually talk to her, and a non chad would have a very difficult time getting a woman to want to talk to him.

At least in my age group (20s), there really are no "good women". Women do not have good morals because they do not need to have good morals. You are not allowed to speak out against women, or correct them. They are able to move through life without consequence for the most part, able to make their own decisions about what life they will have. If they want they can just have a man provide their life for them. They have not experienced rejection. Their struggles pale in comparison to a man's.

There is no choosing. You say that there are women out there who will be with ugly or short men. Maybe they will temporarily, but the moment a better option appears the woman will go to that better option due to their hypergamous nature. NO woman would ever love a short and/or ugly man. It is just not in their nature.

I hardly believe that a woman could even love chad, since if a woman is able to get a chad, then their hypergamous nature will lead them to constantly be on the lookout for a better chad.

There is no good news for men when it comes to relationships. The only good news would be if you receive the news at birth that you are born a chad, but that does not happen.

[–]armtherabbits 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I dunno, I was married to a genuinely beautiful woman and she was really nice. We split up in the end because of reasons but it was a good time.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The point is to prioritize good character and morals over looks. If you win on both counts then fine, it's just that you cannot the first two traits.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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