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How will society change in reaction to more and more women becoming single mothers by choice?

January 25, 2023
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Hi all.

I believe that single motherhood by choice (via IVF) is becoming more and more popular. Before anyone goes all reddit on me demanding studies and hard data, the raw numbers have been hard to find, but are the trend is included in journalist articles. I have included a link to one here : https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/lifestyle/single-and-thinking-about-having-a-baby-heres-why-some-women-are-going-it-alone/news-story/5f91d3d45b82ef166798b97d06d0cd25

In this article, the doctor states : “The fact is that the families that result from single women or two women building a family together are every bit as secure as any other family. When it comes to their development, children born to a single parent are “just as healthy and as well adjusted as any other kids.“It’s very clear that the different family types produce the same outcomes for the children.”

This may be true, or may be up for debate. Personally, I’m inclined to believe that children need a mother and a father (no, to respond to the question I’ll inevitably get : I do not believe that this is always the case, I’m aware that some parents abuse their children blah bah).

How is this going to affect society? Men have been forced to deal with the fact that it’s unlikely they’ll get to marry a virgin woman like their grandfather did. Men need to come to grips with the fact that a 25 year old woman *has* fooled around, experimented sexually etc. But now there’s the caveat that the woman they want to date has a child, that as a tax payer, he has paid for. With enough financial support (such as maternity leave, free IVF, low cost child care) how many women will take up this offer? With dropping fertility rates, will it become standard to “get the first kid out of the way” when you’re young (say 21) and then start looking for a man to marry when you’re 30?

How will men feel about working all day, paying less tax to provide freebies for women can afford to have children by themselves? Will this result in a political backlash like South Korea recently saw?

Posted by Rowanisnotagirlsname | 25 January 2023 | Link

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Title How will society change in reaction to more and more women becoming single mothers by choice?
Author Rowanisnotagirlsname
Upvotes 3
Comments 36
Date January 25, 2023 4:35 AM UTC (2 months ago)
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[–]Hufferthepuffer 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's pretty simple but I'm not allowed to say it here.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give us the implication then.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is crazy answer

Honestly I would be glad because that would lead to men resenting and government spending their money.In result,men will avoid dating or starting family which lead to less married moms. Less kids lead to less population.

Then boom,world end!

I will support this.I will get downvotes but I will enjoy all these drama then die lol

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lmao good answer

World wont end but society may very well collapse

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

World wont end


society may very well collapse

Good thing that I am old now

[–]hutavan 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not even that tbh because many demographics are pumping out kids like crazy and those immigrants would fill in the spaces. Probably not collapse, but a restructuring maybe.

[–]IHateFernales 5 points6 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

As a tax payer I do not want my hard earned wages going to single mothers. Inshallah, more men in the future have the same view as me and a politician seizes on this so it can be implemented. The cutting off funding from the government will help curb single mothers.

I also do not want my tax money going to abortions, any medical procedures involving contraception or free tampons and stuff like that but that is a different conversation

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I've been saying this for a while now.

Single men should get to opt out of paying taxes for social services which only benefit women (and vice versa). After all, they don't owe us anything. So we shouldn't owe them anything either.

[–]IHateFernales 3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

The government wouldn’t have many services that only benefit men lmao. I certainly can’t think of any

[–]zastale 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link


[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Do both of you believe that all children born to women are girls? What about the boy children? Do you both hate boys and men as well as their mothers?

Please defend denying benefits to children, half of whom are male, and 100% are created by men.

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why would it matter if it’s a boy/girl? We literally do not care. We’re subsidizing degeneracy and bad decision making.

“Nooo! You have to support future criminals!!” This is what you sound like.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because supposedly men care about how men are raised.

You don't?


[–]zastale -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What good has it done so far? Obviously it’s not working.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Keep saying it. Elaborate, even.

Men don't give a shit about other men, and they don't care at all about how men are raised. They only care about validation from women, and punching the competition down is how conservative men feel superior.

Even when the "competition" is their own male children.

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you repeatedly try something and the result doesn’t change, it’s foolish to keep doing so.

This is like incentivizing women to divorce men, and being surprised when the divorce rate skyrockets. Who saw that coming?

Make infidelity illegal, push for commitment before sex (doesn’t have to be marriage), remove abortion since it’s a cop out (keep it for people who actually need it); these are just a few things that should happen culturally if we want to improve things. Right now, there is every incentive to sleep around and perpetuate this disgusting system, which is by design.

The government loves broken homes. They couldn’t care less; daddy government is here to help the women.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I know lol.

I can't think of any government welfare services which specifically cater to men.

The only way OP's scenario would work out is if the government took over the roll of beta-daddies. Men going on a tax strike would render this option invalid for a lot of women.

I'm not saying for EVERY woman, there's a lot of single mom's out there who can pull thier own weight and raise kids 100% on thier own, and good for them. I'm just making the point that the government taking over the role of a father/breadwinner in women's lives is contributing to our skyrocketing rates of divorce and children raised by single moms.

[–]Based_Orthodox 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't think of any government welfare services which specifically cater to men.

There aren't, but women still try their best to chip away at the services that men get.

Friend of mine is pregnant with an IVF baby on her own, and called up to whine the other day about how she had to pay for having extra genetic tests on the fetus (because if it wasn't perfect, she would get rid of it).

She apparently complained about having to pay extra to get her designer baby checked out when...wait for it...men where we live are allowed to get prostate cancer screenings for free. Because it's, you know, cancer we're talking about here. The nurse at the fert clinic apparently agreed with her.

I pointed out that prostate cancer screenings for men are the equivalent of screenings for cervical cancer for women, and therefore both are free in our system. Guess how that was received?

So women want to take a chunk out of what men get for their "needs" - and women in the medical system are encouraging their BS.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

SMDH *Facepalm*

Dude, do you want to go back to the days of working class men paying alimony to women who walked out on you to 'find herself'? Or even more men than today being cuckolded by the pizza delivery guy and left paying for said chad's kids when he finds out the kids ain't his? Do you want more women than EVER looking to find a walking wallet to support her and her kid so she can strip him for resources later in divorce court?

Because yanking money away from single mothers is exactly how you make that happen.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And how would women be getting alimony if there is nobody willing to pay, and nobody willing to enforce it?

You're talking about NOW, the things you are describing are a current phenomenon. Back in the 1920's if a dad walked out, there was very little (if anything) the courts could do to ensure he pays a penny to her.

If a woman wanted baby daddy around to help pay for the kids, she had to ensure she is upholding her end of the social contract to keep him commited. That is no longer the case.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's still dreadful, okay so yeah that stops alimony, great, and if you detect paternity fraud you could walk out, fair enough. Then you're talking about women not getting married at all or even having sex with men for fear of the consequences of pregnancy. Which means more incels and dead bedroom marriages...

[–]zastale 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean you don't want your hard earned wages going to raise their children, most of whom have fathers and half of whom are male. More evidence of how men fail to support men.

Men have the same opportunities to raise children alone, but most choose not to and most choose partial custody. On the rare occasion men seek full custody, they usually get it.

Come back with your new alt and tell me why you don't want boys to have resources like food and shelter. Maybe your new username should be "Ihatemalesaswell"

[–]inkvall42 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, I know you see us undesirable males as nothing more than cash cows worth nothing but exploitation but I must unfortunately inform you that I rather watch you and chads mistake starve to death on the side of street like a bunch of ragged beggars, than even flick a single penny into any welfare to keep you alive 🤷‍♂️

[–]gruckendud 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If this happens women will no longer need a beta provider. Men will work while the single mother's reap the government given benefits worked for by men, while the women bemoan their self-perceived sacrifice.

Basically if this becomes a mainstream thing, men as a whole will be pushed deeper into wage slavery for women, without even getting to have sex with the women (the usual tradeoff).

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If this happens women will no longer need a beta provider

You know what's WORSE than that, for men? Women needing beta providers. They'll bleed you dry then deadbedroom/cuckold you. Women have never treated beta providers well. Don't ever think that making women dependent on men is a good thing. Women as job holders and entrepreneurs > women as welfare dependents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> women needing beta providers.

[–]Acearl 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fatherless child behaviour

Simple as.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sounds like a dystopia tbh

we already incentivize shortsighted reckless behavior

[–]PuertoRock007 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you go to the ghetto you'll see exactly how it plays out. The government replaces fathers and only alphas get any action.

[–]Rowanisnotagirlsname[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do men in the ghettos handle this? The ones that don’t get any action

[–]PuertoRock007 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get money and these women will want you as a step father. Or if he's lucky he'll meet a girl that's not ghetto.

[–]Based_Orthodox 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly this. They elevate and move out, and the hood rats left behind complain about it.

[–]unknownpolishartist 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually think that government helps families to stay together. Without the governmental help women will have to choose between raising family with the biological father or looking for a better provider instead so it will lessen a chance for a family for men from lower classes as they cannot give the care and resources as men of higher status in the society.

[–]PuertoRock007 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol what government are you talking about? Because that definitely isn't the US government.

The US government tells women to leave their husband's accuse him of domestic violence and then she can get government support. Especially with Democrats their whole platform is to destroy the family.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Get rid of the government and betas will get a smidget of action and then a lifetime of dead bedroom before she divorces him and strips him for resources.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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