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I see a lot of women on Youtube supporting the men's side of the dating debate. Why is it they all support shit like Kevin Samuels and his kind?

August 18, 2022
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I'm talking about Melanie King and JustPearlyThings and so on.

How about a woman who defends men and understands their plight but isn't an acolyte or defender of these toxic fucknard PUAs and Red Pill peddlers?

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Title I see a lot of women on Youtube supporting the men's side of the dating debate. Why is it they all support shit like Kevin Samuels and his kind?
Author RatDontPanic
Upvotes 5
Comments 46
Date August 18, 2022 9:19 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]EviessVeralan 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

To be fair Kevin was one of the more reasonable guys in the manosphere who tended to push the idea of settling down and getting married, so its understandable that women who advocate for a more traditional lifestyle would find common ground.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Bah, he was a phony. He lived off his wife's money and his tradcon advice is outdated.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

How was his tradcon advice outdated? Seems more you simply didn't like what he promoted/said.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

One man working and the wife staying home is IMPOSSIBLE in today's economy unless you're rich. It's economically maladaptive.

[–]Lost-Tomatillo3465 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was sort of his message most of the time. He would ask the women on the show what they would like their lifestyle to be, and they would inevitably say they want to be stay-at-home mothers with kids. He kept saying that is not feasible because you need this income for this QoL and that's a very small amount of men.

He would try to change their mindset to go for lower income men and and be a 2 income family. Which was misinterpreted as the woman have to lower their standards. Which is part of the problem, why is income dictating the level of the man.

But, I do think some of Kevin Samuels' message is wrong. Like "high value men has the option to cheat because they have options and you just have to live with that" and "its in men's nature to cheat", etc. etc. Hated that part of his platform. Men aren't all dogs. There are a few other things I didn't like, but at least he wasn't trying to pit men against women and vice versa.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It depends on where you live. Not everywhere is the cost of living of say NYC or San Fransico. There's a lot of lower cost of living areas in the US even. And if you really want to max out go outside of western countries like Brazil or something.

That said tadcon advice isnt' outdated. I agree its not realistic for vast majority of people. But its women who promote it and demand it from men. Though women don't want to follow it themsevles.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That part sound good about Kevin. I would say I advocate for traditional lifestyle but a remastered version of traditional lifestyle. I don't mind men and women working and supporting families. I heard egalitarian relationship do better than other model

[–]h1shman 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because it’s not sensational to preach balance in any manner on the internet.

Want to lose weight? Do this ONE crazy thing you’ve never heard of.

Want to make money? Literally QUIT your 9-5 job right now and start this online business

No one wants to hear anything that actually works. They want to hear something sensational.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Huh. I want to open a dating advice channel that specifically avoids sensationalist / get laid fast nonsense. Imagine "this youtube channel ain't gonna teach you how to get a supermodel..." it'll either be shockingly revolutionary or a flop I suppose.

[–]h1shman 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Same here. I have about 100 Video topics I’ve written down. Mine will include a lot of other things like finance fitness etc

[–]Search-United 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bro when you start it send ma a link

[–]h1shman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ight ima screenshot this and try my best

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

alex.datepsych did this

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I must see.

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The youtubers are largely in it for the money. When I see gullible fools sending in $200 superchats to fresh and fit streams, I feel like getting into this business myself. There's a lot of money to be made off male sexual frustration.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

A lot of it is grift. There are a lot of people grifting on ideologies they don't truly believe. I'm convinced most YouTube conservative content is grift caused by the rise of Trump.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

But are there women who have our backs and aren't right wing grifters?

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly...yes. I know there are plenty of women that are currently fighting against the unfair practices of family court and child custody. I'm not sure about women who are interested in calling out women's hypocrisy when it comes to the sexual marketplace.

[–]CoverYourAwrahMaroon Pill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

TRP and right wing aren’t the same thing…

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You couldn't even grow grass in the sunlight between the two.

[–]litgas 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Despite TRP was created by a conservative and promotes and appeals to conservative men.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes there are, but those are very far and few. Though I more say more and more women it seems are waking up to men having issues and realizing the shit women give men.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Any examples of such women?

[–]litgas 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

emilywking on tiktok. She promotes health relationship norms and very pro men.

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea that if someone disagrees with you then they must be lying for money is a dishonest cope.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is a grift, and that means to capitalized on the backlash against women hating men. And I would say there's a cross over with the whole conservative thing. I say that because how much these women push tradcon views.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I dont see content like that as I already found information needed in reddit but goddamit algorithm keep showing it.

To be honest,I always feel cringey when I watch videos like them.Message is right but I don't know just hate watching video of people just reacting to stories and acting like pretentious philosophers.Same like reaction video, whatever tf videos are like reacting to black man defending white police etc..

Woman feel validated if man agree to her opinion.Thats why they making video like that.I am sure they want best for women but deep inside they kind of want to watch women to fail,turn crazy and watch them so that they can enjoy giving them lecture and enjoy getting man to say they are right.

Maybe I am being biased as I kind of see them as evil eye lol.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

To be honest,I always feel cringey when I watch videos like them.Message is right but I don't know just hate watching video of people just reacting to stories and acting like pretentious philosophers.Same like reaction video, whatever tf videos are like reacting to black man defending white police etc..

Few things are worse than people who hate their own.

Woman feel validated if man agree to her opinion.Thats why they making video like that.I am sure they want best for women but deep inside they kind of want to watch women to fail,turn crazy and watch them so that they can enjoy giving them lecture and enjoy getting man to say they are right.

When they're channeling the likes of fresh n fit and Kevin Samuels it would seem you are 100% on point here.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Few things are worse than people who hate their own.

What you mean by it like what few things?

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they’re right?

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are gathering beta orbiters

[–]TryLambda 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Because they see the other side of the equation and how much harm feminism has created for both men and women

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill is just as harmful for everyone. So supporting Red pill isn't doing men any good.

[–]TryLambda 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Red pill has literally saved thousands of mens lives….and has freed them from being economical slaves to women

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Says who?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What has blue pill done? Or any pill?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Blue pill Just World Fallacy is trash, too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Reject pill and embrace herbs

[–]nicethingyoucanthave 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What would you say is not harmful?

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

who?

[–]BlackPillPusher 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is nothing new, women have been a part of the manosphere since it's inception, tradcons and feminists are basically two sides of the same coin and neither are pro male, one is focused on female superiority and the other focus on female supremacy and both are gynocentric to the max

A good example of what I'm talking about would be Phyllis Schlafly, a republican conservative who's public actions torpedoed the ERA back at the day, which she explicitly has done to make sure women are exempt from the draft, she also is a big proponent of common law marriage and many other horrible gynocentric laws all the while being hailed as some sort of savior of the nuclear family, these people aren't on your side bro, you are being manipulated.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

these people aren't on your side bro, you are being manipulated.

Facts, man, facts!

[–]BlackPillPusher 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Man, it's a huge rabbit hole, I'm just saying take care, nobody else will.

Also I wanted to mention nollagirl504 who was a kinda prominent kinda pro male YouTuber and even went as far as to half handedly justify MGTOW in their edgy infancy which is super rare amongst women participating in the whatever pill debate, if you really look into her videos though you'll soon realize that she sees men as nothing but means to an end, and if you refuse to take such a role she will (in a very smartass evasive manner) basically call you either a coward or an incel, which are the roots of the whole xpill discourse, divide and conquer, follow your feelings forget about the facts.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's why you gotta seriously vet these people. You never know when they'll suddenly turn like nollagirl504 did.

[–]BlackPillPusher 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah man, absolutely, this is what this sub is for, let's make an experiment and together as a community take a specific topic/video and dissect it each according to his own values and beliefs, should be very informative since from what I've seen at this point most people here are very bright and actually can have a civil discussion without devolving into bonobos, which is rare oh reddit

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Becasue they are at the epiphany phase. Take a girls opinion seriously about this when 23 year olds are doing it.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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