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if looks are more important for men why do women looksmaxx far more?

September 20, 2022

women do skincare, shave, get plastic surgery, try to not be fat, buy expensive clothes, do makeup

while most men do not do this while claiming looks matter the most for men, why not try to come up with a solution if looks really do matter for men? why not take action instead of LDAR'ing?

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Title if looks are more important for men why do women looksmaxx far more?
Author kokorwqac
Upvotes 3
Comments 61
Date September 20, 2022 3:06 PM UTC (2 months ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AllPillDebate/if-looks-are-more-important-for-men-why-do-women.1139576
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/xjb9pq/if_looks_are_more_important_for_men_why_do_women/

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

male looks tend to matter in terms of things they can't control

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

even in an absolute case, plastic surgery or hair transplant eist

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

those aren't affordable or available to everyone compared to makeup or push-up bras for example but you're right, it's become common for silicon valley techbros to pay tens of thousands of dollars for leg-lengthening surgery

[–]warramite 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Height bro.

[–]carpetfoodie 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Skin bleaching is very dangerous

[–]kokorwqac1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Having light skin matters more for female smv lol l

[–]carpetfoodie 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

True but fair skin is plus in a lot of cultures regardless of gender

[–]kokorwqac[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having light skin matters more for female smv in western culture lol

case in point black males smv is less penalized than black females, while a light skinned asian female is less penalized than light skinned asian female (changing with kpop but still)

not that i personally agree with the ideology of dark skin=masculine but that's what westerners think

[–]zoloftabuser 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If it was acceptable for men to use makeup, they’d do it. But women don’t like it, so we don’t.

Women like men who have it all naturally.

[–]caption291 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. in large part it's stuff that men can't change that matter.
  2. Because the reward for the effort is very exponential(and heavily dictated by your starting point) which means that in order to hit a point where the reward is worth the effort you need to put in a LOT of effort(or have a very high starting point).
  3. Because integrity gets in the way.

[–]zoloftabuser 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Every post you make comes back to you pushing your agenda of wanting every guy to Kpop-maxx.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link


but am i wrong? the look could be anything, yet guys just LDAR here, go get plastic surgery to get chadface

[–]zoloftabuser 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Plastic surgery will enhance what’s there. Not everyone can be saved by plastic surgery, let alone even think about affording it.

An easier solution would be for social media and online dating to be deleted, and for normal looking people to be cast in television again. This will hopefully recalibrate people’s standards, instead of breeding a society reliant on plastic surgery.

[–]kokorwqac[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

ugly men get cast all the time, more than ugly women actually

much more old or fat actors than actresses

i don't believe the average man is ugly enough that makeup or plastic surgery can' t save him

[–]FishTank34 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m telling you surgery is fucking expensive.

Trust me no one is making thirst tweets towards fat/ugly actors.

[–]FishTank34 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

“Just get surgery bro” you say to some broke ass mfs on reddit who can’t afford to miss work or else they miss rent and get evicted. If you’re ugly looking, “pretty boy maxxing” will just make you look like a gay loser

[–]kokorwqac[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

why is it that it's accepten women can be prettier with effort but men are stubborn?

[–]FishTank34 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because genetics and skull shape is what makes a man sexually attractive to women. On the other hand, women just need to be lean and know how to dress/apply make up to be attractive. Im speaking in broad terms here but men generally place more importance on physique more than face, where as it’s the opposite for women. Your physique can drastically change with non genetic factors whereas your face is largely determined by genetics.

Edit: also forgot about height, which is also much more valued by women than men. Coincidentally height has a lot of genetic influences

[–]Swapsta 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine if there were two different test for both sexes.

Men had a high bar to pass 75/100 in the looks department but it worked out after this and they got what they wanted.

Women had a low bar 30/100, but higher opportunity post passing so a 90/100 gets alot more opportunities compared to a 70/100.

It's important to both for different reasons.

Looksmaxx doesn't work as well as women if you can't even cross the bar(as a male) but it helps.

[–]PMmeareasontolive 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women looksmaxx because looks are important to women.

[–]SilentFroggy 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Both looks, men and women, are important. But looksmaxxing for men doesn’t have the best results so there’s no point of wasting your time looksmaxxing.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

it does give you results.

[–]SilentFroggy 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That depends. But for a lot of men it’s not worth it. They’ll still be invisible to most women.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But why just LDAR instead of at least trying?

[–]SilentFroggy 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think all men are LDAR. They just rather focus their time on something else instead of wasting it trying to attract women.

[–]Kappador66 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Aren't there more and more articles about leg surgery? Hair transplant is common knowledge amount zoomers.

In general I think guys are too proud for looksmaxxing and spend their time running clown game or confidence coping

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this like a 100 kg girl complaining about 45 kg girls getting more attention than her?

You could say not everyone could sustain being 45 kg for longterm, but even if she drops to like, 60-65 kg it is improving her chances majorly.

The thing is if you're whşning about something you gotta adapt.

[–]Kappador66 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But no fat guy complains that the ripped guy getd laid.

It's the 5'4" guy complaining that the 6'4" guy gets more attention.

Sure he can drop 100k and get himself to 5'8" and drop another 30k to fix his jaw. But most just aren't willing to endure so much pain and have so much money to throw around.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I seen 5'10 dudes bitch too, also a lot of bitching about women only liking ripped dudes

[–]Kappador66 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thank the gods that I wasn't born a manlet. Manletism really is a disease.

In general as a man you're sold on the idea that female attraction is more based around your actions/accomplishments/masculinity etc. and isn't just looksbased.

[–]FishTank34 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I consider hitting the gym and fixing your wardrobe “normie guy” looksmaxing. Truth is, most guys don’t know what makes a guy attractive (hint: there is no gym for your face/height).

[–]KirthWGersen 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are several reasons:

- Looks are not the only way for a man to attract a woman. Depending on the case, and his aims, they may not even be the most productive aspect of himself to focus on.

- Many men believe looks are not important, because that is what they have been told all their lives.

- Many men are lazy, depressed or simply busy focussing on more interesting or rewarding things.

- Women KNOW their looks are make or break; or at least they have been told that all their lives. It makes them very insecure about their looks in general. To some extent, they are right.

- Many men think they dress well and have looks far superior to what they actually do. But hey, false confidence is still confidence and that is attractive.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because the men who looksmaxx were raised to think like defective women, thats all there is to it. They assume the genders are identical, so think they have to do what MEN find attractive to attract a WOMAN.

The result? An entire generation of men acting like a Toronto woodshop teacher

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's easy to study what looks women find attractive.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the PUA's figured it out decades ago. How you look only matters as a negative (dont be unattractive) Making her emotionally engaged is what women find attractive. Pre selection, status, looks, and game all work synergetically.

By maxxing looks or getting that stupid height surgery you aren't fixing the problem. you'll go from an ugly short guy who can't get women to a tall attractive man who can't get women

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men in general don't let women dictate the standard of fashion and looks that they should endeavor for. The fashion industry, cosmetics, magazine and modeling industries all are fed and reinforced by women and their incessant need to shop and compare themselves to their peers. Women are the ones who create the unrealistic standards of the fashion and modeling industry. Men just don't care about all of that crap.

[–]hudibrastic 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Woman gets turned off by anything that shows a man was not naturally born that way.

I went under plastic surgery, but I will never tell a woman beforehand about it, even if she hears you learned game via some learning material it is also a deal-breaker

women are hardwired to select the natural top man, anything that is not natural will make them reconsider

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Idk, a lot of them like celebrities or kpop guys, both often do plastic surgery and makeup.

[–]hudibrastic 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But then they have status and money to compensate

[–]kokorwqac[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

''status'' can't really sell actually ugly guys like michael cera or danny devito

the truth is the usage of makeup being denormalized is a thing men dictated.

[–]hudibrastic 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course there's a limit to what status can do

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

those maintain the illusion that they are naturally the way they are presented on tv

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

everyone and their mother knows those dudes get makeup and surgery

[–]lostwanderer28 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I think women were actually right when they said they cared more about personality or confidence. Since I am a men I cannot be 100% sure but I can guess haha. As far as I can tell women want someone who radiates a rather masculine aura. Of course looks does play a role but I don't believe it anymore that it plays that big of a role as black pill likes to state.

From my point of view, men need to come in a somewhat decent package, usually that consists of being somewhat fit or not fat, taking somewhat care of yourself, your looks, your hygiene, having a decent income that you can provide for a roof and a meal, at least that you can bring some input, some ease, like not being a weight but a help and having a decent masculine aura.

I think men demand also a package from women, whereas though for men looks and charm seem to be the most important factors. I mean, with looks alone a woman could easily turn around even the head of the most religious man on earth, a woman like that could easily make that most religious man sin with her (in example, having sex before marriage). As for the other factors, of course, a woman who is supportive of her man, a woman who does care for the needs of her man, those are all pluses in my opinion, a woman who doesn't complain but rather make suggestions and pushes her man to improve and strive for more, although that last one is very very difficult, I personally get easily annoyed whenever someone pushes me to strive for more lmao.

[–]gastongang 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

for the longest time looksmaxxing was shaming and looked down upon as unmanly, because advertising of skincare products to appeal to woman was based around feminine beauty and whatnot, so it sent a message to men that skincare was inherently feminine,(despite the idea of masculine beauty and male aesthetics previously being major parts of western culture)

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Isn't it men themselves who shamed it though? If more straight men did it the stigma would probably lift, a lot of celebs do makeup anyway.

Either way, guys whining here does nothing, this isn't different than a 100 kg girl complaining about 45 kg girls getting more attention than her(well not everyone can sustain being 45 kg, but she can probably drop to 60-65 kg and even that would improve her chances majorly)

[–]gastongang 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

well, personally I don't rock with makeup not because it's feminine, but because it is inherently dishonest. Well I suppose you could make an argument that such concealment is not masculine

>Isn't it men themselves who shamed it though?

your right, but that's due to the shitty advertising they were convinced it was not masculine to take care of your skin, hair, and stuff.

>, guys whining here does nothing,

yep, that's why I push looksmaxxing so much

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Standards of masculinity and femininity depend heavily on culture and time period, rich dudes in classical europe dressed in a way that would be called gay today but those were the HVM of that times. I also just don't buy the idea that women would dislike it since michael jackson, 80's rock stars and today's e-boys and kpop boys all got more pussy than everyone on reddit did despite makeup and plastic surgery.

I'm also trying to looksmaxx as a female but it's hard when your not rich, can't see a dermatologist and hard to buy healthy food(i still have some success in dieting though, maybe i should try to exercise at home to look actually skinny tho)

[–]gastongang 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree to some extent it's cultural but much of it is biological, also European nobility were goofballs, and not exactly gigachads

I was thinking more of ancient Greece, and ancient India, cultures were ideal male beauty and masculinity were heavily valued

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lookmaxxing for men still won't make them taller or give them an attractive face or wide shoulders or a good physique. Women use makeup for qualifying themselves for the top guy. Lookmaxxing for women is also far more easier.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

makeup and styling does effect face

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not much especially for men. Women want naturals.

[–]boomershack 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men and Women are not the same.

Can you eat something to make you taller? "Try to get a more chiselled jawline mate"

Sexual dimorphism. Women care way less about hair than they do about height, money and status. And I've not seen one dude that is willing to get that leg extension surgery because it's insane.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

if what you said was true then blackpillers discussing lookism everyday alone is a mistake. besides looksmaxxing being focused on women only is a societal standard, not biology

and nah, short guy with nice face still gets a few.

[–]boomershack 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Noone cares what some black pill losers think, let alone discuss.

We're not the same, simple.

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Sexual dimorphism is the condition where the sexes of the same species exhibit different characteristics, particularly characteristics not directly involved in reproduction. The condition occurs in most animals and some plants. Differences may include secondary sex characteristics, size, weight, colour, markings, or behavioural or cognitive traits. These differences may be subtle or exaggerated and may be subjected to sexual selection and natural selection.

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[–]ALexusOhHaiNyan 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bit of a silly question - Because men are doing the looking, at women. And all the status and money in the world isn’t going to make a woman more attractive to men, but it does so for women.

It’s like saying “If status is more important to women, then why do men try to status maxx with confidence, cars, clothes etc”

A man would care more about his looks if he were attracting the male gaze. And this is why stereotypically gay men are fit and attractive metrosexuals and lesbians aren’t.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

blackpill is an ideology mostly defined by ''looks matter more than anything else'' try explaining this to blackpillers instead of me.

[–]ALexusOhHaiNyan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You asked the question. That you seemed to already know the answer to so I’m not sure what you’re on about?

I’m not that familiar with BlackPill but if it posits that looks matter above all that might be right. Apparently unattractive women are annoying to men and unattractive women don’t even exist to women…


I can see why BlackPill is the way it is. Men take a lot of the blame but that just isn’t the case.

[–]nanamontanaa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

men also do plastic surgery, skincare,shave, try not be fat and buy expensive clothes…

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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