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if looks matter more for men, why is there not a single country where male beauty standards are harder towards men than women?

October 27, 2022
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In media average men, fatter men, older men all usually get more leeway, in literally every country, women also do more makeup and plastic surgery than men as well in every country, why? Never been able to understand this myself.

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Title if looks matter more for men, why is there not a single country where male beauty standards are harder towards men than women?
Author kokorwqac
Upvotes 6
Comments 35
Date October 27, 2022 9:19 AM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]platinirismsBlackPill 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

if looks matter more for men

They don’t matter more, it’s just harder for a man to be considered attractive. The stuff that makes a man attractive is height, broad shoulders, facial aesthetics, muscle, head full of hair. A lot of it is genetical.

A man’s age and weight play a minor role in their attractiveness.

Women are more attractive while young, and lose it as they get older, it’s not that they’re ugly or anything, it’s just that younger woman are going to be more attractive than them at 40. Hence why no woman over 35 years old has ever won the ‘sexiest woman alive’ reward.

A woman’s age and weight play a very large role in their attractiveness. The benefit is their height, frame, and muscle play a very minor role in their attractiveness.

Why do more women wear makeup or plastic surgery

Because of marketing, the beauty industry has created a generation of women who are so insecure of their own face that they have to wear makeup before going to the shops, it’s one of the most successful marketing campaigns in the world. The beauty industry is worth $780 billion in the US alone.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No its not the beauty industry, its womens need for chad. Since so few chads exist, women become insecure over their inability to get one, and look for solutions like make up.

[–]platinirismsBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If men stopped existing tomorrow (and let’s assume the economy didn’t collapse because of it) I’d still bet that women would still buy and use these cosmetic beauty treatments. Not for Chad, but simply to display a higher status among other women.

Not saying you’re not wrong, but it’s also not that simple, like me, if women stopped existing tomorrow, I’d probably still go the gym and get muscles.

[–]Play_MutedDark Red Pill 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

male beauty standards are genetics based. height, frame, muscle mass, baldness etc therefore it isnt harder nor is it easier. its a lottery.

if you win the genetic lottery as a guy you dont need to put much effort but for girls even the ones that won the genetic lottery still wear make up, try to dress up pretty, skin care, hair care... because those increase their smv regardless of what they started with and overwhelming majority of below average women can still increase their smv with these but you cant say the same for the guys

https://prnt.sc/zCZvxEpIjxT_ there is no make up, no gym, no surgery and no clothes for this guy. He just lost the genetic lottery but if he had a sister everything would be different for her and she would beat him in SMV.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Hair transplant exists

[–]Play_MutedDark Red Pill 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

and every year 200k men come to istanbul to get hairtransplant. Lots of men are getting it and industry is getting bigger and bigger.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Speaking of İstanbul most turkish men are ugly and ungroomed tbh

[–]Play_MutedDark Red Pill 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

wrong.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

well, that's because beauty standards for men aren't harder. it's not hard at all to be 6 ft, caucasian, etc if you have the genetics for it. for the rest of us (and to a lesser extent some women like kokorwqac), there's really no equivalent to being a young attractive woman in her late teens to twenties that doesn't put in any effort but has suitors lined up around the block.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

>6ft

only in tinder, irl most girls cant even tell diff between 5'10 and 6 ft

>cauc

is that why white men cry about black men all the time? even JBA/JBK is getting stronger statistically these days, if anything being a sh\tskin is worse for a woman.

>young attractive

young and attractive, not ''average'' young attractive men also do wel?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

only in tinder, irl most girls cant even tell diff between 5'10 and 6 ft

as much as you're right most men aren't 5'10 and yours truly is 5'9

young and attractive, not ''average'' young attractive men also do wel?

that is what my comment says yes

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

as much as you're right most men aren't 5'10 and yours truly is 5'9

depends on the country and generation, young people in richer countries are 5'10-5'11 averaging out

that is what my comment says yes

attractive people do better than ugly people, surprise.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

attractive people do better than ugly people, surprise.

you missed the nuance that it's a much slimmer slice of men that get access to that life and that since they are desired for mostly genetic immutable things then people assume (because apex fallacy) that that means men dont have to do anything to pull women and therefore, the argument goes, soyciety is harsher on women

[–]FastBananaViral 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Famous fat men are not usually seen as attractive nor do they usually act as such. An example is Jonah Hill, he gets shit for being fat all the time and being in movies with more attractive males like Channung Tatum and Leonardo Di Caprio.

On the other hand you have Lizzo who is morbidly obese. The media treats her as attractive and she says she is attractive despite the fact she is doing something in horrible in saying being obese is a good thing

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Leonardo dicaprio is fat too now

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He is still seen as attractive

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He got fat and still seen as attractive, my point

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He didn’t get morbidly obese like Jonah Hill or Lizzo. Jonah Hill isn’t seen as attractive and neither do other fat actors

[–]BoxxyFoxxy 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Anyone is allowed to consider themselves or another person attractive.

Jonah Hill might not be a sex symbol, but this is my first time hearing about anyone giving him shit for being fat. Whenever anyone brings him up, all they say is how gifted an actor he is.

I personally think that the overwhelming majority of people finds Lizzo unattractive but admire her confidence.

[–]FastBananaViral -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Jonah Hill was once in an interview where the females were asking where his attractive friends Channing and Leo were.

Lizzo is frequently called “beautiful”, there is a huge thing in regards to telling fat females they are attractive

[–]BoxxyFoxxy 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Source?

What huge thing? Have you see this entire thread full of males pointing out how unattractive overweight women are?

Shall we compare fat female celebrities to fat male ones? Shall we compare their popularities among males and women?

And finally, why should a woman be dragged and called fat and ugly just so some males can be okay with the existence of those women?

[–]FastBananaViral -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y90cC4qPgq4

Fat females are more celebrated for being fat than fat males. Where I live the models they use to sell clothes are fat for females and either ripped or normal for men, I have yet to see a fat man model clothes.

A female should be called fat and ugly because plenty of men are routinely mocked for their looks. True equality

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy Link

Because men don't hit the wall as hard as women or as early

Proof of this is women's age preferences going up as they age; men's always stay on 20-25 year olds

[–]kokorwqac[S] 6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

They absolutely do, just that aging signs are punished more on women, which proves my poünt, but not just older, fatter and more average faced men get more leeway as well

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Younger women dating older men is common; the inverse is rare. To women, a man's age doesn't have a lot of weight assuming he fits all of the other criteria.

But for men, age is part of the criteria. Because youth = the ability to bear children, etc

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

It isn't really common, the dead average is women dating about 2 years older

But even then, i didn't specify only age, facial averages, fashion and unnattractive features overall are less rigid on men in media

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Give an example? In media you need to be attractive regardless of gender, unless you are filling some niche role.

[–]platinirismsBlackPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women like their own ages or older, men like women their own ages and younger.

If men only liked 20-25 year olds then you’d expect most older women to be single, we don’t see that, we see the opposite, older women are more likely to be in a relationship than they were at 20.

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea men get relationshipped up and stay with a woman as they age; that's what I'm doing. But the stats show men find 20-25 most attractive regardless of what age they are.

[–]platinirismsBlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

50% of all women meet their future husbands after turning 30.

Men find 20-25 year old women the most attractive, but that doesn’t mean they find 26+ women unattractive, just less attractive than a 20 year old women.

[–]_Duriel_1000_ -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

if looks matter more for men,

They dont.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish every men in reddit agree to this because as they don't believe it

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In simple words,women are useless and real ugly humans and nature and biology favours men

[–]tonyrehmatdemir 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post reeks of ignorance.

[–]odd_cloud 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, it puzzles me too. Why are women more concerned with their appearance even if it’s not that important for them in terms of attracting men? So far, I have no better answer than beauty is kinda hobby for women. Men like fishing, women like being good looking.

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