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Is fixing a landwhale a good idea? LandWhaleMaxxing?

August 17, 2022

I'm considering LandWhaleMaxxing, but I want to know if any guys had experience, with being in a long term relationship with a woman who gets more attractive.

I have a lot of experience with weight loss and I am pretty certain I could get a woman to lose weight easily, the problem is:

I don't know if I would be fixing a woman just for her to leave me for some chad once she becomes attractive. I've heard some stories of guys who've done this and things end tits up

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[–]EnteFetz 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Don't date her. I go into FWBs with fat women, because they are easier to get, but I would never commit to a woman who is heavier than me. I am currently fucking a woman who is probably twice my weight and she told me that a few months ago she had an episode where she was very unhappy and just went on Tinder and asked guys to fuck her and she slept with 17 guys in just a few weeks. She is a seriously obese 36 years old, twice divorced and has 2 kids and she can get more dick delivered to her door than her pussy can take. She has no motivation to lose weight, because men tell her how sexy she is and so many men want to sleep with her. She actually thinks she is sexy and she told me even guys with six packs have come to her place to pleasure her. I only fuck her, because she is currently my only option. I can't find any other woman who is interested in me.

[–]TriggurWarning 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is where the 'healthy at any weight' and body positivity culture comes from. It's inherently false, but they're able to pretend it's not false because desperate men still fuck them. Sad.

[–]EnteFetz 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I hook up with fat women, because they are the only women who show interest in me. I don't have a preference for fat women at all, but that is what I settle for

[–]TriggurWarning 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If it works for you, I applaud your strategy. I, however, have tried to fuck a fat chick before, and lets just say it wasn't what I expected and didn't go well.

[–]EnteFetz 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I would also very much prefer to have sex with women that weigh less than me, but bad sex is still better than no sex for me. In what way did it not go well?

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't date her. I go into FWBs with fat women, because they are easier to get, but I would never commit to a woman who is heavier than me.

Fat women can usually tell if a man can't pull what he wants and if he can't, she is probably not interested in his commitment for the same reasons the other women aren't.

You say that she is an older woman with kids. My guess is despite your derogatory tone here, you create enough feeling of safety and familiarity for her to rely on you for her sexual needs.

From what I've seen, some women use men like this to keep sexual needs met while remaining single by choice for a period of time or because they have decided they do not want marriage or commitment

Others keep a reliable man on the bench so they can date with less pressure. If sexual needs are met, its easier to hold the line when vetting the people you are considering long term

In other words, it is very possible that even though you are writing this as if you're doing her a favor, it is far more likely this is a mutually beneficial arrangement because you probably dont qualify for the role you think you're keeping from her.

A lot of guys are not understanding that these days, just saying you have a man is not a flex if she cant be proud to present you to friends, family, other women. If you can't pull the women you want, it is not a flex for her to be linked to you. #ThePinkPill

[–]EnteFetz 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think I am the one doing the favour. She clearly has the power in this arrangement, because if I would start making any demands she can just text the next guy to come over to her and forget about me. I am the replaceable one. I can't provide anything to her that she can't get in just a few hours from other guys. That is why I am very grateful that she let's me smash. But if I would find a better option I would stop seeing her.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fat women can usually tell if a man can't pull what he wants and if he can't, she is probably not interested in his commitment for the same reasons the other women aren't.

Yeah I think women can intuitively sense if you are really into them or not. If you are settling, they can usually tell. Fat chicks are not blind. Unless they really are blind for real. They can tell that they aren't as attractive as the Beckys and Stacys. And they know that you'd rather date Becky/Stacy but you can't.

Others keep a reliable man on the bench so they can date with less pressure. If sexual needs are met, its easier to hold the line when vetting the people you are considering long term

I suspected women have been doing this shit for awhile. It's interesting to see a woman actually admit it. lol.

This is a rule of thumb with managing fuckboys which is why all the redpill coping about women wanting to lock down chad through sex is very faulty. A good FWB is a respectful fuckboy you can only see as fun because he lacks the qualities for anything long term. Its much easier to never fall for him romantically no matter how much you fuck him. A bad FWB is a respectful fuckboy that checks too many boxes. It sets you up for *skittles.

I wonder if this is why I got ghosted by the CD I saw a couple weekends ago. The one who wanted me to drop her off at her friend's house (20 minutes from her place, 18 minutes from mine on the ride back home) and I declined. She seemed to really be into me. We went to second base (she initiated) on the first date and we kissed, held hands, cuddled. But she did express a concern that she thinks I'm just horny and using her for sex. I'm a respectable fuckboy with a thick cock (though I don't have a Chad six-pack physique. But I have a nice face and I am in good shape. I'm 14.5-14.7% body fat). And I'm really into affection, cuddling, kissing and romance. Including with her. But the thought of commitment with her scares me. Especially when she was talking about eventually seeing each other a few days at a time on and off at her apartment before eventually living together.

Maybe she can sense from my body language that I don't want to commit to a monogamous relationship with her. But I might be checking too many of her boxes because I'm the romantic fuckboy type. I really badly want a monogamous LTR.. but not with her. My heart is with another woman (my ex) who is with another man. And I don't think I can commit to anything less than a Becky ciswoman.

A lot of guys are not understanding that these days, just saying you have a man is not a flex if she cant be proud to present you to friends, family, other women. If you can't pull the women you want, it is not a flex for her to be linked to you. #ThePinkPill

I'm happy that a woman is admitting this shit on the internet. You are saying what I have suspected for years. Women are very status-oriented. A boyfriend is an accessory to them. They want a boyfriend they can show off to her friends, family and other women. A good looking loser like me is fun for sex. But women I think are embarrassed to introduce me as a boyfriend to their friends, family, etc. My favourite ex and I were together for 8.5 months and our entire relationship was basically Netflix & Chill with affection, cuddling, words of affirmation (we said the L-word to each other). And that is what she wanted. I wanted more. I wanted to take her out on proper dates. I wanted to hold hands with her in public. I wanted public displays of affection. I saw her as my woman.

[–]HazyMemory7 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You should go into dating trying to "fix" anyone. And odds are if someone needs to be prompted by someone else to lose weight they probably wont maintain it.

[–]NationalistGoy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean "shouldn't"

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I can change her” rarely works out well as a relationship strategy.

Don’t do it.

[–]Lovers691BlackPill 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fat women have standards too lol and there’s a reason she’s obese it is cuz she lacks self control or just doesn’t want to gymmax herself what makes you think you can change her.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah as a guy who used to be 29% body fat @ 168.2 lbs (I'm only 5'6") back in early February and who is now 14.6% body fat @ 138.6 lbs, having lost nearly 30 pounds, I can tell you right now that the vast majority of obese women lack self control. Calories in, calories out, cardio every other day, muscle hypertrophy strength training every other day works for the vast majority of people for losing body fat. My raw muscle mass now is higher @ 138.6 lbs (58.9 lbs) than it was at 168.2 lbs (58.4 lbs), I have 2.2 lbs more water weight than when I was 168.2 lbs while losing 28.6 lbs of raw body fat.

It's mostly about self control and discipline to achieve what I did in half a year. I mostly cut sugar out of my diet. I rarely ever eat sweets or snacks. I increased my protein-to-calorie intake ratio. I eat smaller portions. I eat three meals a day. I used to often times eat four meals a day. I used to binge eat.

And I achieved all this the hard way. I gave up on lifting weights and body weight exercises within one month of my weight loss journey due to laziness. And I was lifting light back in February and early March (no more than 15 lb dumb bells that I had at home). And when I got down to 156 lbs back in mid-late March, I started eating like shit again. It wasn't until mid-late May that I got back on the saddle with my diet. And I cut my calories even further late June and started doing cardio 3-4x a week early July. So some of the weight that I was losing while in calorie deficit was muscle. It wasn't until early-mid June that I started lifting the 15 lb dumb bells again.

And then when I joined a gym mid-July and started lifting the 20, 25, sometimes 30 lb dumb bells and the 50 lb barbells and doing crunches (including weighted crunches), core exercise machines, glutes, that's when the muscle hypertrophy kicked in and my body fat % started to really fall.

When you are cutting, muscle hypertrophy is still essential. Because more muscle mass increases your BMR (basal metabolic rate). The rate at which you burn calories at rest. And when you lose weight, your body prioritizes fat for weight loss rather than muscle if you put stress on your muscles.

If anything it should be a redflag if a woman is obese. It shows that they prioritize instant gratification over delayed gratification. This may signal they are more likely to cheat. Or less loyal.

[–]TriggurWarning 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cardio isn't great for weight loss, you're better off just going for a very long walk on the weekends, like 3-4 hours a day. The people that hike the Pacific Crest Trail are famous for losing all the weight they possibly can within the timeframe of the hike itself. Low intensity exercise burns more fat than a shorter high intensity workout that relies more on carbs to fuel ongoing energy needs.

I'm glad you're doing well though.

[–]Incellius_Maximus 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sir, one does not simply fix a land whale, one harpoons it and sells the meat to Japan.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no. when you date someone, you have to be ready to date them as they are. any plan that depends entirely on the whims of someone outside your control is a recipe for disaster

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Dumb question.

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol so its okay to refer to larger women as landwhales and target them due to ones limited sexual success

But in the next thread, men want to lecture me about why "misandry" is bad and how two wrongs don't make a right 🤡 Get wrecked, boys

I don't care in the sense that I do not aspire to change men. I just want to point out the connection between men's senseless cruelty and the evolution of women today. 110% of everything you see coming from the opposite sex is a reaction to the enviro ment men set.

You disincetivize women from being nice or trusting. If they know the man is mid and going to dehumanize them anyway, why give dude a chance?

Better to be smutted out by Chad than being smutted out by a dicklet who couldn't convince a thirsty Becky to go to a date.

Checks meet Balances.

As for the post itself, millions of women can tell you how investing in "potential" has a very high failure rate. People often leave the people who helped them get there. Its why so many women, including me, are anti "build" with a man.

Not saying it never happens but the type of guy who refers to women as landwhales, thinking they are easier, doesnt typically have what it takes to hold on to a woman who went through a glow up.

I run a few glow up spaces and am building an app and what Ive noticed is the man starts getting very insecure and in turn, nastier and abusive which accelerates a break up

The pool of type of men she can pull for something serious is wider and men love a former fat girl personality on attractive women. They are quick to make better value propositions to destabilize the jealous boyfriend who shouts "I made you!!"

Another note, a lot of bigger women are already pulling men that would make you, as a man, insecure. I have to say that bc of the premise of your plan. If she has that face card or decent proportions, other men noticed too

Pink pilled food for thought

[–]h1shman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed no man that settles for a “landwhale” because she’s easy pickings is going to hold on to a gym bunny or even just a healthy physique girl post glow up

[–]Purple-Heiss 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would never refer to an overweight woman as a "land whale." It seems very cruel to me, even if her condition is, primarily, caused by poor diet and lack of physical activity (don't forget that obesity can also be caused by factors beyond the individual's control).
However, it must be recognized that many women these days are not very kind when describing a man's physical features either: midget, dwarf, manlet, dicklet... this last one I didn't know until now and who knows how many more I don't know.

Hate begets hate, and at a certain point it's totally irrelevant to know who started it.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's many flaws with this idea...

But I guess the most glaring one is that even very obese women have dating options, and you may not be be considered one of them.


[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If obese women dating skinny men is a trend, then a lot of the skinny guys are unfaithful. Unless they are incel-tier skinny guys. Here in Canada there are 105 males born for every 100 females. But males die sooner than females. So as you go up the age pyramid the female to male ratio increases. So statistically, for every woman there is a man on a nearly 1:1 ratio. Worst case scenario, demographics are slightly skewed towards more men than women at the younger age groups.

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

just dont

[–]keepin2002 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A legit land whale no way….

A girl that’s like 5 pounds overweight..

Ya why not?

Or if her ass isn’t that maxed out but she’s skinny then yes too.

[–]MAGA-Latino 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like a terrible idea. Many of those chick's are overweight because they don't have the discipline to lose weight.

Besides even if it is possible she might get the hint and resent you for it.

[–]flakybottom 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welll what is your definition of landwhale territory?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Landwhale? What a pathetic term, like "toxic masculinity".

[–]TriggurWarning 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I applaud your ingenuity. A lot of men are proud of the fact they fuck fat chicks (seen several bumper stickers lately, and had a nice little chuckle at their expense). I tried fucking a fat chick once, it was very difficult for me to even force myself to perform that function, once. I would advice fucking a few fat chicks first (maybe you already have). If you have what it takes then you can consider it.

The problem I foresee is that people are not stupid. They're going to pick up on the fact you're not satisfied (truly attracted to her) unless they change their lifestyle. That is a BIG ask, especially for a relatively new relationship. And people will naturally take offense to such a suggestion a large percentage of the time. So you may have to go through quite a few women before you find one with the right disposition that is open to self-improvement.

The 100% honesty route is much less likely to work than a gradual, nudging strategy is, because they're instantly going to be turned off by your attitude and lack of initial attraction. She's going to be thinking, "holy fuck, this guy is so desperate he's trying to create his ideal girlfriend." And they won't be wrong either.

And what happens when/if they fail in their efforts? Well, you'll essentially be dating a fat chick at that point, and just settling. The reason fat people are unattractive is that it demonstrates they lack self-control, common sense, and self-esteem. It may also mean they have a genetic predisposition towards a very unattractive condition.

That being said, I still applaud your ingenuity, and who knows, you might figure out a way to make it work despite all the potential downsides and pitfalls associated with such a quest (maybe even write a book about it). But make no mistake though, this is not a simple matter trying to control someone else's behavior. You must approach the problem from the standpoint of incrementalism.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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