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Is it me or is redpill slowly dying?It feels like more and more people are veering towards black-pill

September 5, 2022
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Title Is it me or is redpill slowly dying?It feels like more and more people are veering towards black-pill
Author G0dZylla
Upvotes 10
Comments 58
Date September 5, 2022 8:58 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]resultsmatter1 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TRP is very hard but ultimately leads directly back to where the premise of black pill begins. Looks are everything and nothing else matters.

It’s a really sucky situation and it used to not be this extreme. Looks mattered but other things could offset. Social media has made people so shallow and surface that you can make up for being a nazi general if you’re good looking but being a great successful guy means nothing the other way

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya GenZ is super Blackpill

[–]back_in_blyat 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I began my red pill journey at 18 back in 2012. There was not a single thing for sale, zero monetization, no clout to be gained. This was pre sjw takeover of reddit so the sub was live and well, and it was a legitimate community dedicated to improvement and accountability. Blackpill types were shamed, people who just wanted to bitch were called out, and I reiterate no one was trying to sell you anything or had a YouTube channel.

That was the peak, now the "manosphere" demographics are 50% grift 40% lazy people who just want to complain/black pill, and 10% unironically autistic or otherwise people that need help far beyond a male space for relationship advice.

Also social media/dating apps have overtaken the younger kids and fucked them up in ways I can't imagine.

[–]BumblingBeta 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Interesting to hear what it was like back then. I began mine in August 2018. Even back then, I remember it being quite a bit different.

Rollo Tomassi wasn't on youtube. Entrepreneurs in Cars youtube channel was much smaller and had a much better feel to it (didn't feel like money-grabbing/grifting). No Fresh and Fit. No "Rule Zero" where a bunch of men come on and talk about women and other topics. Other youtube channels like Alexander Grace and Darius M were either much smaller or hadn't started yet. There were no female red pill channels from what I remember, now there are ones like TheRealFemSapien, JustPearlyThings, TheFeminineTruth and others.

Red pill subreddit wasn't quarantined and felt like it was about self improvement. Now you go in there and the field reports sound like they're written as some sort of porn fantasy "6'3 ripped earn 6 figures, used the push-pull technique and held frame to get a hot young tight girl back to my apartment". It's also been invaded by a lot of mgtows, incels and blackpillers.

Asktrp used to exist too and now that's gone.

The 21 Convention used to exist and now that stopped since there was a big fallout among certain red pill guys.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The 21 Convention used to exist and now that stopped since there was a big fallout among certain red pill guys.

lol

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why laughing? I know what happened with that, I just wanted to say it in a more diplomatic way.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why? I was diplomatic about it and he had a temper tantrum for 3 years.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I began my red pill journey at 18 back in 2012. There was not a single thing for sale, zero monetization, no clout to be gained

All anyone has to do is be the change they want to see, yet I can count on one hand the amount of people who actually do that. Can't blame the sub for that

also, even that far back redpillcoach illimitableman 33secrets, hussey, corey wayne, and a few of the others were monetizing shit, as was GLO. Grifters aren't the problem, the people are. Guys stopped doing things

[–]TriggurWarning -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know, I was there near the beginning. I was an endorsed contributor at one time, believe it or not. But I realized TRP is bullshit.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But I realized TRP is bullshit.

No you outgrew the community as eventually everyone does because shit works.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"Manosphere" grifters just care about ad revenues, views and shit like that. They are all now jumping on the b-pill bandwagon including the same ones that were calling OG b-pillers like Eggy a nutjob primarily because it's what makes most sense to younger zoomer men who've only witnessed the world through social media and Tinder. In the past, they preyed on selling dreams of possibilities, now they make money by selling the "it's over" shtick for YouTube views

But yes, the reason why rpill is dying is because no one can pull themselves to believe in personality, status and alpha bs in 2022 when women choose partners within a millisecond on swipe apps on the basis of height and jawline

[–]Liberated_Asexual 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, you only asked out a woman for the first time 30+? I wish I read that shit at 18 to scare the fuck out of me into approaching.

Anyways, everything you said in your comment is spot on. They're simply adapting to the market changes in demand.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, those apps have a lower female userbase, plus you can't exactly tell personality in dating apps

but in the case you're outside, things like voice, mannerisms or personal bonding does affect you a lot

[–]infinitofluxo 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It can make sense because the red pill leads people to solutions that require them to do much effort, like lifting weight, become successful, spend a lot on good clothes, learn to be with women knowing it is only our turn, and so on.

Basically, it pressures betas into alpha territory and it is not something easy to do.

We might end up believing women are not worth the effort and just live how we like and try to get sex if it ever comes easy or paid, some are waiting for dolls, other are experimenting with celibacy.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you think the blackpill is the way then you spend way too much time on the internet. Blackpill only holds true on tinder. For the real people TRP is as true as ever.

[–]SwaySh0t 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely this. Red pill is for approaching in real life not playing the OLD slot machine.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Red pill is becoming less and less of a feasible philosophy to be practically implemented for most men — the black pill explains why this is so.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya not everyone can become that guy

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What does the black pill say about the red pill?

[–]TriggurWarning 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It says it's mostly bullshit, you're either attractive or you're not, no amount of game theory is going to change that fact.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was never philosophy, it's always been praxeology

[–]TriggurWarning 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, game theory and all that is kind of bullshit unless you can get the girl to speak to you.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, red pill philosophies are bigger than ever. Andrew Tate's meteoric rise is proof of this. Whether this current popularity will sustain, time will tell.

[–]you-arent-reading-it 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Redpill is not dying. It works. Bluepill is a scam.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While I have some advantages (height, income, etc.) there is no real way a guy in his 50s should be able to run a soft harem of 20-somthings, and yet, I do. If I was BP that simply would not have happened.

[–]PaliantBlackPill 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Short answer. Gen Z is the coming of age demographic. They are also exposed to blackpills on social media daily.

[–]Pilling_it 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's what is marketable.

When the experience of most people is that most of them feel things that matter is outside of their control, then it's what those most people will gravitate towards.

Which is still different from the grifters that will follow whatever is the trend to make money.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Judging by comments,Guys saying TRP or redpill is wrong are surprising me.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If Reddit is your reference for this then yes, because it's quarantined and being strangled because the Hateful Left cannot tolerate dissent from the "Approved Narrative", i.e. "Wimminz GOOD! Menz BAD!" TRP also shut down askTRP which was a big driver to the site.

TRP was also hurt by the number of incels etc. that showed up after their subreddits were shut down so the leftoids could say, "SEE! TRP IS JUST BITTER INCELS!"

The Discord is doing well, though. Things are simply moving to different platforms.

[–]Eyesofmalice -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Reddit is markedly conservative. Everyone defends millionaires and complain from the position of liberal privilege. You'll have a middle class first world young adult telling you that you have to be ok with the status quo and that is actually good that you're suffering, that the economy is screwed and that the democrats offer no solution to real people's problems other than "figure it out poors kek".

That's not left wing ideology.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Um, yeah, well, there has certainly ben an SJW takeover which is why TRP is quarantined and FDS is not (or wasn't last I knew).

[–]Eyesofmalice -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Social justice warriors aren't necessarily leftist. They're most likely trust annoying liberals.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To me, this is a distinction without a difference. And it doesn't make SJWs "conservatives."

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill has always been men swapping notes, and rule 0 (male sexual strategy and positive male identity)

The subreddit is never a single space, it's a snapshot of a younger demographic of people online.

If men aren't doing anything, then the former dies, and I already know from my 'andrew tate is not your friend' post that a lot of the new guys don't want a positive identity, they want to be the victim.

[–]Protocol_Apollo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

It’s probably the most popular ever, in terms of reach. Look at the YouTube and TikTok scene.

Who are the most popular guys right now in this kind of sphere? Red pill guys like tate, fresh fit, hamza or black pill guys? (I can’t even name any lol).

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Red pill refers to looks in 2 areas - your style (i.e. dressing better) and your weight (i.e. lose excess fat if you have it and lift weights).

The idea that men just need to dress better and lift weights in the gym and they will all have success with women is laughable. You can look in the real world and see this obviously isn't the case. There's many thousands of dudes who are in gyms around the world and they're not getting pussy.

It depends on so much more than these things. It depends on your height, your face, how good the extra muscle looks on your body.

You now need steroids to get to a level of muscle that looks attractive to women, otherwise it's a case of "do you even lift?" and women won't even notice you. Even with steroids, some guys won't respond well to them and it will still be a case of "do you even lift?".

My personal experience - I've lifted for a few years and I've not had any success with women from it.

[–]kokorwqac 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

skinny guys do well with women though

[–]IHateNormis 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Red pill is essentially blue pilled. If you area 5’2” bald Indian janitor you will not slay if you go to the gym and be an asshole to females.

[–]TriggurWarning 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a fake pill for fake people. Yeah, some dark triad types can make use of it, but for the most part, it's not going to work for most people. If you can't be yourself in a relationship, what is the fucking point?

[–]Protocol_Apollo 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you can't be yourself in a relationship, what is the fucking point?

If yourself is an obese, video game and porn addicted text book loser nice guy, then yeh, for your sake, DON’T be yourself.

A lot of people get so stuck in this mud of “identity”.

“Oh that’s not me.”

“Oh I’m not like that”.

Motherfucker, you realise you can and are supposed to change right?

[–]TriggurWarning -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you do actually need to meet some minimum of being a well rounded individual to succeed. But once you start exercising and feeling better it's easy to do.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It was NEVER about that. It's about giving each individual guy the tools to make himself into the best version of himself he can be. 5'2 Indian Guy has a ceiling. It's lower than mine. Mine is lower than Brad Pitt or whomever is Brad Pitt now. You are making a fake criticism.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Best” is subjective, redpill is delusional

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Because RP is a scam and it’s getting exposed.

No 5’4 balding guy can overcome these deficiencies and become an “alpha.”

What exposed these things are tinder, social media.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's not about making the 5'4 guy into an "alpha". It's about helping him/giving him the tools to be the best version of himself.

All the "But...but..but what about 5'2" asymmetrical unemployed Indian guys who walk with a limp? What about them, huh? See? TRP Doesn't work!" is just so much BS on the manure pile.

[–]Protocol_Apollo 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Incels will always be ghey and lame because they like to point out the hypothetical 0.01%.

“But what about the 4’10 guy whose Indian…whose also broke…whose also got an ugly jaw…whose also x y z”.

Then, you ask them, are they the 4’10 broke ugly Indian. And they say no.

The best way to disprove blackpill is looking around. I’ve never seen or heard of well groomed, fashionable, semi- jacked, but below average height Indian or black dude or whatever struggling with women.

Not in real life or even in these black pill communities.

Every time I see a dude complaining of his race or height, he ALWAYS has like 5 other things he can easily change but didn’t.

These types never have their fashion, grooming and lifting in check. And then they blame it on things they can’t change because it’s an easy way out.

Every. Single. Time.

[–]kokorwqac 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

most incels is users are white

[–]Protocol_Apollo 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Then, you ask them, are they the 4’10 broke ugly Indian. And they say no.

Exactly.

They aren’t even the person they claim red pill won’t work for.

[–]figosnypes 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Well, based on the fact that you have hot women going to jail for hooking up with 13 year olds, the height bit can't be that big of a thing. Nor the "frame" bit that is often brought up on here. But the balding, yeah that is another story. But hair transplants or wigs could fix that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Those are extreme outliers.

It’s scientifically proven that people in general find taller people more authoritative, attractive, and respectable.

[–]figosnypes 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well, keep in mind that these "outliers" are just the women who want it so bad and have so little self-control that they're willing to risk jail. Aka just the tip of the iceberg. There are way more who have the desire but are smart and sane enough to not act on it. Too many for it to just be "outliers". The world is full of tall guys who will never have a woman have an ounce of sexual attraction towards them, let alone so much that they would be willing to act on it under the threat of imprisonment. So I have a hard time believing height is be all end all. I mean, I wish it was. I'm 6'0" and that would be great news for me. But even with being relatively good looking and slender physique on top of being tall, my options are somewhat limited. Yeah I get some women coming onto me sexually, but they're generally either not very attractive or older(40+) or they're desperate due to baby fever or being poor single moms in need of a provider. I do not get laid with hot youthful women like the ones you often see in these stories.

Interestingly enough, one of the girls I got to come over who was probably one of the closest to being legitimately hot was a ~3rd tier 28 year old Chinese girl. We watched the movie Insidious 2, and part way into the movie she swooned over the 13 year old main character(who was definitely short and scrawny).

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

well for chinese girls, some of them like prettyboy traits(its more common among east asian standards, as you cn see with their media), but prettyboy traits in hollywood are so rare for now that you either have to fetishize east asian men(like the koreaboo or weeb girls traveling to korea or japan) or a pedophile, hollywood executives are honestly so out of touch on what women want these days, someone like lee dong wook would probably be enough for prettyboy fangirls despite being 40,but can you name someone that isn't very young among american or white celebs that has a similar look to him? In the past there were a few

but i don't think pedophilia for women is such a common thing, definitely not average or as common as for it is for men

Interestingly enough, the tradition of pederasty being traced back to ancient times, prison rape mostly targeting teenagers or young looking adult men(even if the perpetrators are mostly young men themselves) a lot of gay men having a ''no older than 30'' rule shows us whatever you discovered with women, also applies to men that aren't heterosexual, this is controversial to say but most pedophiles aren't straight

[–]kokorwqac 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

incels aren't just 5'2 and balding though, smack down average 5'10 young dudes with full head of hair also whine a lot, even though i legit see the balding janitor with wife and kids

[–]BoogersAndSugar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. There's only so low a guy can be on the looks scale before trying to improve isn't even worth it. It'll bring a "5" up to a "7", but only bring a "2" up to a "4", which is still below average, and no amount of "game" will fix that. Redpill is dying because it only works for guys who are a "5" and above in looks. It doesn't work for the primary target market - ugly and short guys.

[–]Kappador66 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are finally realizing that TRP is mostly a complete joke. All this talk about being "high value" and how you should learn "game" and all that jazz just doesn't map onto reality.

[–]Eyesofmalice -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The black pill is the only true pill. Both red and blue pills are massive copes.

[–]Canyouevenmango 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Blackpill is easier for people to be shallow and feel no accountability for their actions. It’s why it’s gained so much traction the past few years.

Want some advice? Stay away from any form of red pill and black pill media. Focus on yourself, understand your worth, and work on enjoying your life. Shallowness leads to worthlessness, worthlessness leads to loneliness, loneliness leads to either inward reflection and change or suffering and misery. You have the option to skip the first few steps and go towards inward reflection and grow.

[–]G0dZylla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the reply, i really appreciated it

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