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It is outrageous that two of our needs (affection and sex) are totally controlled by someone else (women).

August 16, 2022
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Imagine if getting water was as difficult as getting affection and sex, controlled by women's preferences. If she likes you, you can quench your thirst.

Affection and sex may not be as urgent as the need for water, but they are certainly important for a person's well-being and development. Therefore, if I have a plethora of unpleasant physical traits such as being short, having a small penis, being skinny, being ugly, I am doomed to be unhappy and unfulfilled by not submitting to the hegemonic tastes of women. Even if women were paid for sex, I would be controlled.

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Title It is outrageous that two of our needs (affection and sex) are totally controlled by someone else (women).
Author Mysterious_Point_887
Upvotes 7
Comments 66
Date August 16, 2022 6:54 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW)[M] [score hidden] stickied commentlocked comment (0 children) | Copy Link

REMINDER: we allow complaints and rants, etc. but any posts or comments threatening violence and coercion will not be welcomed. nor is op's frustration the same as entitlement. i am not pointing fingers at anybody, but we all know to remain civil.

[–]h1shman 9 points10 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

The merit of a woman’s biology pushing her to reproduce with the men with the highest quality genes is not less than the merit of your biology requiring you to have affection and sex.

Nature is cruel and you can’t change the hand you’ve gotten.

I suggest you practice gratitude as the handheld device you used to complain about this is worth many time what the MAJORITY of the human population makes a year. I am not saying you should disregard your feelings or that your feelings aren’t valid. Just that improvements to your mindset will make you live a happier life.

[–]IHateNormis 3 points4 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

Tall, square jaw and asshole does not mean high quality genes. Just because females like it, does not make it high quality

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (25 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to go out on a limb here.

The men who get women wet, assholes or otherwise, are high genetic quality.

Women's vaginas are highly advanced evolved devices.

And they're not confused by some 90 pound "nice guy" with an asymmetrical face.

[–]IHateNormis 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Female vaginas did not evolve to choose someone best for the environment, like every other species of animal

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Nope, you're wrong.

When the vagina is wet, that's 100,000 years of evolution at work and the vagina is never wrong.

You're just bitter.

Don't slam evolution and female sexual preferences. It's how you got here, after all.

[–]zoloftabuser 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re high genetic quality in terms of sexual appeal, but not in terms of intelligence. What good is to bear the child of a hottie with 70 IQ? Or a sociopathic murderer because he has prominent cheekbones?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Women's vaginas are highly advanced evolved devices.

Ah so that's why we have so many women having kids in ghettoes and trailer parks?

The idiocracy marches on...

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Mother nature doesn't give a fuck about trailer courts and baby daddies in jail.

Her plan is:

"Get as many as them fucking as possible and hopefully some Stephen Hawking will come around every 100 years and save their sorry asses."

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

thats the fallacy a lot of FDSers and blackpillers make

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is it a fallacy? Sexual selection does not necessarily mean best for environment, that is literal science

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Proper dental facial growth is a sign of health

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Square jaw isn’t an indication of dental growth

[–]h1shman 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you and I had 100 sons back in 10000BC on average my sons would absolutely mog yours assuming you aren’t also an absolute specimen of a human partial /s.

Square jaw, facial symmetry, closeness to the optimal human average are all signs of high genetic quality which women are innately attracted to.

Larger jaws can consume tough fibrous foods better. Hunter eyes let in less light and have more favorable Rod/cone ratios for identifying prey. I definitely just made that up but couldn’t think of another reason why that would be naturally selected over the last million years.

Height and aggressiveness were selected via natural selection as it allowed males to outcompete with each other not attract women.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Natural selection is not sexual selection, this is high school science.

People don’t consume tough fibrous food ever since cooking was invented, genetics that go into helping that are obsolete. Again with fire, you don’t need to look for prey in low light, people didn’t hunt at night either.

A tall person has more health problems and eats more food, that is definitely not advantageous.

What females like does not mean good for the environment.

[–]h1shman 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All the examples I gave are byproducts of natural selection. They are innately attractive because of our evolutionary psychology. Just because we live in a society where they don’t matter anymore doesn’t make them unattractive.

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men are made to attract women. If a man cannot attract women, his genes are faulty and he should not get to reproduce.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, men are not made to do anything. Females are not the validators of good genes. Lmao at this genetic simping

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The male body is definitely meant to appeal to females, how could you even refute that? Pheromones only purpose is to attract girls. Guessing you are bluepilled and havent witnessed the insane world that 8+ men live in.

You and me lacking this vital ability makes us subhuman. I'm not simping, stop coping. Its over.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The merit of a woman’s biology pushing her to reproduce with the men with the highest quality genes is not less than the merit of your biology requiring you to have affection and sex.

Couldn't have said it better myself. But this also means that some women will suffer equally to men, as their wants and desire for chad to settle down will never be realized. This could be cathartic for us guys, or maybe im just coping, dunno.

Sure, there is still single motherhood and IFV. But those things will still spell out defeat in bold letters to a womans ego.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This idea that humans can lead happy lives without a romantic relationship and quality friendships is ridiculous. Humans are social animals. Unless you are straight up asexual. And even then, it's not just about sex. Cuddling, kissing, holding hands, etc. are the things that I miss the most. I went on a date 9 days ago with a passing crossdresser and we cuddled, kissed, held hands. And that was the first time I ever did that with someone in nearly 2 years and it felt nice even though ciswomen are my sexual preference. Humans NEED that shit. I feel absolutely gross knowing that some short feminine Asian incel dude wearing makeup, women's clothes, long hair, groomed, perfume, etc. took advantage of my emotional vulnerability and ghosted me 3 days after the first date because I wouldn't give them a ride to their friend's house. What is the world coming to when even CD/TS girls are adopting FDS (female dating strategy) tactics?

[–]MAGA-Latino 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow that was hard to read. But with the way things are today I'm not surprised.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I found the CD who ghosted me on IG and Tik Tok. Her IG is private. But on her Tik Tok she has a bunch of thirsty simps gassing her up. No wonder she felt entitled to me being her personal chauffeur. IG, Tik Tok and Tinder are inflating the egos of women in 2022

[–]MAGA-Latino 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah your right

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

im deeply sorry man

[–]Siukslinis_acc 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Sucks that you have been used.

There are people (like me) who are totally fine without physical contact (i'm not counting handshakes.

[–]zoloftabuser 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People can also live on a few pieces of bread and a glass of water each day, while living in a small box.

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This expeirence on an individual level is cruel and absolutely devastating, you're right. But in a grander scheme of things, it has to be this way according to nature. Its not women's 'job' in nature to like you for what you are and please you. Its her job to choose the most high value man.

We've heard all our lives how nature is cruel. How could we ever blindly assume yours or my life would be any different?

You can be as mad as a mad dog at the way things went. You could swear,curse the fates, but when it comes to the end, you have to let go.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It is outrageous that two of our needs (affection and sex) are totally controlled by someone else (women).

I can get affection from a well trained dog. Hell, I can get affection from a dog I don't even know. They're suckers for belly rubs.

And sex? Good Lord. I have "Hulk Smash" grip strength and an internet connection.

This post REAKS of Incel nonsense.

Nobody is owed sex. If you're not sexually desirable, you have to either become sexually desirable, make enough to pay for sex, or just learn to deal.

Red Pill truth is needed here.

Life is shit and nobody owes you anything. Frustrated? Rub one out. I just did. Felt great.

Now I'm drinking beer and re-warming my home-made satay chicken soup.

No woman required.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The word incel has lost its meaning.

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Want water? Get it by yourself or buy it. You have the same two options with affection and sex.

[–]CryptographerNo6348 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go to a sex worker. Women get to pick the partners they want because we get to control ourselves. Women not picking *you* is not them being the sex gatekeepers.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Ok. Red pill perspective.

  1. Go to the gym. Good for you physically and mentally. Don’t be a pussy about it, do it properly.

  2. Make yourself the best you can be. Boost your earnings, boost your status etc. Do a lot of reading. A. Lot. Of. Reading. There’s a lot you can do here. Ugly? Try growing a beard - you might be able to cover all sorts of problems. Skinny? See point 1. Address just those two and you move up the totem pole of men. See? You might not ever be Chad, or pseudo-Chad, but you’re better off than before. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MEN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT TOTEM POLE. WHETHER YOU ARE ONE OF THEM IS UP TO YOU.

  3. (Controversial) Move somewhere that the girls don’t have access to a big Chad population. In fact, the smaller any population is (in Western culture), the less women ignore those at the bottom.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes! THIS!!! Beta MAX yourself and be the Juiciest Host to A Parasite You Can Be!!

lololol

Any man who competes with another man solely for pussy has already lost.

Because his priorities are 100% wrong.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

All men compete with other men for pussy. That’s just biology. Women compete with each other for resources.

What you’re talking about is the abundance mindset, which is part of step 2 above, but that’s more advanced stuff and the OP can only get to that once he actually starts improving himself.

Right now, the utter lack of pussy is dominating his thinking. He needs to take step 1.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Believe the myth of abundance, the female resources fantasy?

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The abundance thing is a mindset, not a myth.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I compete for things that have value, and today, pussy is worthless.

I wouldn't say pussy is worthless. But it is overrated af. I've been with 9 women sexually plus 14 prostitutes. Tbh I've only really enjoyed sex with 2 women and they were both LTRs. I've tried casual sex a lot and can't really get into it. I need to actually like the woman attached to the pussy in order to enjoy sex.

At the end of the day, pussy doesn't offer as much friction on the glans as your own hand. That's why they have something called death grip syndrome and porn-induced erectile dysfunction. A pussy is softer, moist, warm. But a cold hard hand will get you off faster. It's not the stimulation itself that makes sex wonderful. Its the release of oxytocin and other chemicals in your brain before, during and after sex with a woman. And I think you need to like the woman for those chemicals to be released in your brain. If you just see her as a thot, a bitch, etc. you're not going to get those happy chemicals. And then at that point, you might as well jack off.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

If you just see her as a thot, a bitch, etc. you're not going to get those happy chemicals. And then at that point, you might as well jack off.

That's where I am at. I have no desire to "relate" to a woman, have a "relationship" with her, and certainly I don't want one in my house, fucking up my schedule, my lifestyle and my budgets.

I rub it out and get on with my life.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As you say, if I wanted that "entire package" deal with the intimacy and feelings, rubbing one out wouldn't cut it. But in my case, not wanting "all that other stuff" just keeping the itch scratched is all that is required.

I'm still holding out hope that there is a unicorn out there for me. But I am losing hope every single day that passes. You know what it's like to feel like a woman really likes you when you went on a date with her and things may have even got sexual between you two. And then she shows you her true colour within days and ghosts you because you wouldn't be her chauffeur, meal ticket, errand boy, etc.? I've been there recently. It sucks.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I compete for things that have value, and today, pussy is worthless.

If all men felt like this then women would see Hell as a vacation. Nonviolent nonparticipation is the worst thing for women ever. Look at how Herbivore men is hitting women in Japan. They have more male escort bars there than anywhere in the world. 300 places in Tokyo alone for women to blow their whole paycheck on male companionship. Imagine that... worldwide.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I think here in North America women could give zero fucks that some of us men are gone/sent (irrelevant) our own way.

They have multiple social safety nets underneath them and can do whatever they hell they want and society will largely clean up their mess and pay the bill.

Five kids with five thugs? All the dads are in jail and you're broke, on crack and can't work? No problem - we'll set you up. Can't let a woman go homeless!

Man has a violent female partner, gets on drugs, gets kicked out, ends up where? In a government sponsored condo? No, he gets a free shopping cart.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who's going to pay for those welfare benefits she's getting? If we disappear the women will have to pay for that and once they're exposed to that tax burden the lolno will be loud and terrifying.

[–]Cobra_x30 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is 100% Red Pill thought!

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

cant do much about it, it's how life is. if someone else's bodily intimacy is involved, it can't be distributed the way money, goods and services are.

[–]Siukslinis_acc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. It's like the saying you need two to tango. Both parties need to agree to tango. I agree that persuading someone to tango with you can be hard.

[–]Marzipan-Happy 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would disagree. In my marriage my husband controls both the affection and the sex.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got yourself a high value man. Good job.

[–]EulenWatcher 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. We depend on each other for all kinds of human connections and it depends on others' willingness to form these connections with us, that's the norm.

[–]HazyMemory7 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably one of the rare posts where "this is incel rhetoric" actually applies.

I don't think nature is outrageous. It is simply nature.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fisherian runaway is one consequence of nature. It is literally nature run amuck because it involves female sexual selection driving males to evolve actually maladaptive traits that endanger the whole of the species. Humans are caught within its gravitational field as well, fortunately we're still at its periphery. Some male peacocks are in the event horizon if you look at how absurdly long their tails are. Also the Giant Irish Elk was driven to extinction because female sex selection kept escalating the antler size until they got too big.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know how you feel the best you can do is try to be grateful and look at the brightside, you can still experience the other aspects of life, like food, exploring and hobbies

Affection/sex is only a small part of life, and it's okay if you lack those things, there's more to life than that.
Remember, Cope or Rope.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

The sentiment you are sharing is the by-product of you being sold a dream. You thought engaging in hook-up culture was easy and common, which it’s not. It’s a minority of men that get to participate. The cost of entry is incredibly high.

If you were unaware the average man is an incel. Their only way of getting sex is by being in a relationship. As soon as they aren’t in one they are sexless. Getting consistent sex from women who are strangers is a privilege only the most attractive men have.

[–]zoloftabuser 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The replies to this comment would be hilarious if it were in the main sub.

“Oh I’m definitely not an incel!1!. I may be a lonely virgin but I’m certainly not a raging misogynist!”

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In my eyes a virgin is just an incel in denial. Either you have sex or you don’t.

[–]zoloftabuser 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right. Volcel is a different story of course, but most aren’t volcel.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

so what would be an alternative, women aren’t entitled to sex either btw

and you guys keep forgetting that women CAN GET PREGNANT!!! even with birth control women get pregnant. the only way to be 100% sure is by removing her internal reproductive organs (i forgot the name of this procedure) or abstinence and this will always be one of the fundamental reasons women are pickier even if they want to get pregnant. lastly the people who are really controlling the dating market are the men at the top not the women. and at the very bottom are not men but the very undesirable women because a large part of female desirability is decided by genes while men still can take control through getting rich and/or high status

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The chances of pregnancy are very low with birth control. If you use 2 forms of birth control, the chances are extremely close to zero. Then you have abortion if you are unlucky enough to get pregnant even after following those precautions. Women can easily have lots of sex and never have a baby. Many women do it, it's not difficult.

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

yes i am aware! i am saying women are picky because it is in their biology. Her body does not know she can have sex with 100 dudes and not get pregnant so her arousal is accordingly (but this is a generalisation of course)

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok. But if it's in their biology, why are women telling men on PPD that women sleeping with lots of men is no different to men sleeping with lots of women? It's in men's biology to avoid huge sluts for commitment and marriage.

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

its no different because in both cases it shows that whoever is being promiscuous does not see sex as a special thing shared between a committed couple. thats the main reason men avoid sluts iirc and does not change with gender. the difference is just that women are more accepting of male sluts.

but personally i would not date a promiscuous man for the same reason men dont want promiscuous women

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone tell me why people come onto the internet just to say "life is cruel" "life is unfair" "no one owes you anything" "no one is entitled to anything"? I've noticed it a lot in this comments section and I notice it a lot on PPD. It doesn't achieve anything. To me, it just seems like a way of telling someone to shut up and that their problems are insignificant and not worthy of being addressed. It also says a lot about the person who says it themselves - it says to me that this person is bitter and angry about their own life and projecting their own bitterness on other people. Overall, this attitude is unhelpful and it fosters a culture of bitterness and resentment.

Maybe that's just me though and others think differently.

[–]MAGA-Latino 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see your point. I think the government needs to stop supporting these chick's. Plenty of chick's are dependent on the government today that could have otherwise just gotten a husband if she didn't want to work.

Yes a woman does and should have the right to choose if she wants to be with a man. But the fact that men today have to compete with the government makes it completely unfair.

[–]BlackPillPusher 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are not though, there are multiple ways to satisfy your sex drive without a woman and I don't know about you but I get plenty of affection from my pets, family and friends, it's time you start treating that oneitis bro.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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