Men feel entitled to casual sex

MAGA-Latino · 2022-08-08T04:40:41+00:00

I think you are confusing entitlement with a want. Guys want casual sex, that isn't the same as feeling entitled to it.

Liberated_Asexual · 2022-08-08T13:41:00+00:00

Not nearly as much as women seem to feel entitled to relationships with a dude out of their league just because they slept with them.

SaltyGeekyLifter · 2022-08-08T06:57:09+00:00

You have so much of this wrong it hurts. Sorry.

It’s a big subject and I doubt we can go through it all here. It includes socio-biological concepts like paternity fraud, concealed ovulation, sexual marketplace value, hyper gamy and so on.

Suffice to say that most of the resentment - I’m assuming the OP is questioning why low-value men feel resentment - is because they don’t get an opportunity for sex full stop. Low value women, though, can get sex whenever they like. Because the in-built libidos of men and women work differently to each other, and follow different imperatives and strategies.

Evidence? A short or unattractive man has zero chance of success on a dating app. Zero.

An unattractive woman? Has merely to adjust the parameters she’ll accept, and is guaranteed to get hits.

The first thing to ask yourself is this: how do men and women best ensure their genes are promulgated, and what is that likely to do to their behaviour? WHAT DO WOMEN FIND ATTRACTIVE AND WHY? Women gatekeep sex, therefore women’s preferences drive the dating market.

I hear you saying “personality” is what’s attractive but that’s bunk when viewed at scale. If that was the primary factor, short guys with “great personalities” would be successful on dating apps. Instead - 75% of women set their dating app filters to exclude men under 6’ and 5’11” is still above average! Why?

Furthermore, Tinder released some figures on age a few years ago. The female age most swiped right by guys (predictably) was 18. The male age was 50. Why?

If you’re male, 6’4”, moderately attractive, average intelligence, and not obese, you can have sex with dozens/hundreds of girls. You’re a Chad. Why?

If you’re male, 5’5”, 22, are less than averagely attractive and a bit podgy you will statistically have sex with zero girls. At all. Zero. Why? These are the incels.

If you are male, attractive, intelligent, a “great personality”, 22 and 5’9” you have to fight tooth and claw to get female attention. Yet you see Chads getting all the action. Do you understand why there is resentment now?

Now. Let’s see how you respond. I’m expecting some form of ad-hominem.

Bandit174 · 2022-08-08T13:32:00+00:00

I think the frustration is that most women can have casual sex but only a subset of men can.

Thats also part of why they dislike high n women too.

Not having casual sex and ending up with a girl who also didn't have casual sex would be fine.

Having casual sex and getting a high n count and dating a girl with a high n count is fine.

What they hate is not being able to have casual sex but getting stuck having to date women that did have casual sex and knowing that the men their gf did have casual sex with were superior to them on most metrics.

They get the worst of both worlds. She was the free love liberal uninhibited slut for chad and then they get stuck with the reformed version. The bad girl thats good just for you.

RatDontPanic · 2022-08-08T05:05:24+00:00

Not entitled. But guys def feel like they are missing out on a huge part of their youth and sexual lives.

So they are frustrated and use this app to vent them.

RatDontPanic · 2022-08-08T05:57:49+00:00

Casual sex is overrated.

MasonSub4 · 2022-08-08T13:22:18+00:00

I don't even want casual sex, I want a monogamous relationship, I look down on men who have casual sex.

That's coming from an incel...

2022-08-08T05:16:44+00:00

I think it's because of internal contradiction that they do want a romantic partner but they also want to go against that want and values for casual sex. And they blame the discomfort in their contradictory desires on women because it's easier to do so then owning up to that contradiction. I am also against the double standards like feminist but I go the opposite direction. I want to end praising men for having high n count and I want to eliminate hook up culture because it's a treat to the specific romance culture I like. I do struggle with this contradiction myself but I fight back against my desire to have casual sex. Most men should be willing to struggle against this internal struggle.

Hodgekin · 2022-08-08T11:53:55+00:00

I'll explain to you the phenomenon you're seeing.

Lower quality men actually don't want "sex". What they want is acceptance. Sex can be bought with cash. But to be given sex voluntarily means you've gain acceptance. I have no doubt, most of these so call incels would be very happy to be in a platonic relationship with a girl too.

If you have any empathy for the losers of society, you would understand, they are rejected more frequently by others based on their appearance. This rejection goes beyond romance. Friendship, job interviews, their own family will reject them in subtle ways that start to erk at their unconscious.

Their resentment is unhealthy, but it's also understandable.

catniagara · 2022-08-08T13:24:38+00:00

I don’t get casual sex either, and I’m not stupid enough to want it XD

lizzy1289 · 2022-08-08T05:37:20+00:00

So much this...

A lot of the guys posting here on these kind of subreddits feel like they are entitled to our bodies or something. They act like it's some kind of crime for us to want an attractive partner.

I got a message for the incels reading this: The world owes you NOTHING. Women owe you NOTHING. This is a world where, like it or not incels, women can make our own choices. If you are not attractive enough to be a viable partner then that is entirely a you problem and nobody else's. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

I'd like to win the lottery and get 2 billion dollars! But that's not likely to ever happen, so I accept that and move on with my life. Why? Because I acknowledge that life doesn't owe me anything.

IHateNormis · 2022-08-08T05:18:37+00:00

Your logic doesn’t make sense. Females have a low sex drive, want relationships, is a lose lose situation and hate casual sex. Based on what you said females wouldn’t have casual sex ever?

That is clearly not the case, they do have casual sex.

In regards to being entitled to casual sex. Personally for me, my expectation for females is extremely low. I do not expect kindness or anything from them, why would I think they would give me casual sex?

Incellius_Maximus · 2022-08-08T07:15:09+00:00

I have yet to see someone on this sub act like they are entitled to casual sex. And in general I don't think that I have come across someone who thinks they are entitled to casual sex. That must be a very fringe belief. Where are you getting this feeling that "men" (presumably a significant minority of us) feel entitled to casual sex? Have you been reading too many niceguy posts? Because those guys are universally condemned.

no_bling_just_ding · 2022-08-08T10:51:11+00:00

entitled is a fairly meaningless word that was abused to mean "you want something i dont like". if the male users here threaten you or demand for you to have sex with them, that's entitlement. if they say it's your fault you, an individual, aren't spreading your legs right now for them, that's entitlement. anything else is just pearl clutching. i personally am not down for hookups & don't really see the value in being with someone that's had them. but so do women... when it comes to LTRs. they don't want the casual guy either, they just price-gouge the better guy for a weaker form of the same service they gave before. however, it's presented as "the standard" youth experience by social and mass media, so men tend to feel understandably excluded if they don't participate.

hari_hbp · 2022-08-08T09:28:00+00:00

Nope. Just like women, men want to have sex too. The problem arises when people, regardless of gender, are unable to accept a fundamental right of humanity - freedom of choice.

As for your points, the guys who want to have casual sex are probably not the same ones claiming that it lowers a woman's value.

I think it is widely known that women's sex drive tends to be lower than males and women tend to want relationships- so it seems like all the guys on here want something that doesn't exist.

Not sure about that chief, hookup culture is pretty prevalent out there.

hdksndiisn · 2022-08-08T11:58:50+00:00

I think you’re missing the fact that the casual sex men are talking about women refer to as Dating. I know many women who would say they don’t have casual sex yet have slept with more men in a year than most men will have slept with in their lifetime, but to these women because the sex happened after a date or two it doesn’t count as casual. As a result still the same “upper echelon” of men have women on rotation, and every other man waiting on the sidelines.

Most men just want women to like them. And they sleep with anyone not because they want everyone but because they can only sleep with the few women that give them a chance.

Otherwise I probably agree with the rest of your post. At least I think men should stop saying they want casual sex and start saying they want to be liked by women they find attractive, or want sex from women they’d be happy to be in a relationship with.

RatDontPanic · 2022-08-08T13:12:57+00:00

This trope is as tired as it's wrong. Men are raised FROM BIRTH to realize that nothing, especially sexual interactions with women, comes without great effort, and most importantly, life has no guarantees. Your whole story fails because it flies in the face of that basic fact!

I mean, if your claim had even a shred of accuracy we wouldn't have liftmaxing, looksmaxing, statusmaxing and all kinds of other things that they peddle to men to improve themselves for the sake of getting laid. They'd be sitting there and saying "why aren't they just coming at me?!" and literally no one says that. Every dude that is about casual sex is putting out the effort to obtain it, big time.

Sheesh, male feminist simps need to come up with some new material.

alienamongnormies · 2022-08-08T14:34:26+00:00

Women's sex drive does appear to be lower than men's. During my first date with a crossdresser yesterday, she was massaging me in the car while I was driving her home after our date. Including even going underneath my shorts and stroking me bare at times. Within less than 10 minutes of meeting her, she grabbed my hand and put it to her bare legs when she asked me why I was quiet and I said I had social anxiety. It feels nice actually being desired and wanted. Most ciswomen think they are hot shit.

If it wasn't for my favourite ex-gf, I would just give up on ciswomen completely in 2022. I fell in love with two ciswomen and they loved me back. They made me feel desired too. But overall, I feel that I am more compatible with transwomen and crossdressers because they have male brains. My favourite ex used to tell me that she had a "male brain". Her personality was more masculine than most women. Maybe that's why I loved her so much. My second favourite ex, she wasn't masc but she was more forward and down-to-earth than most ciswomen.

Any-Bottle-4910 · 2022-08-08T22:53:29+00:00

I don’t know. I never worried much about it unless it was a ridiculous number. Double standards suck. But, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about with the other stuff. If I were to guess, I’d say I had sex with maybe 10-12 girls in highschool. What’s scandalous is how many were friends with each other, and would say “____ can never know about this”. By the time I left college it was dozens, but my GF joined in that. Air Force made it a solid 40+. Bartending for 19 years made it over 100.

So… casual sex… it happens. A lot. Put yourself out there and get some!

Full disclosure: I’m happily married for ages now. We’ve discussed each other’s past, but only after we were together for a good while. She was shocked and appalled by my body count. Mine was over 100. Hers was under 10. We were both around 32 years of age.

2022-08-10T06:01:24+00:00

Not all guys are so shallow. Don’t be pressured into anything. Love and accept yourself first. The rest will follow accordingly.

Peacesquad · 2022-08-11T23:08:38+00:00

No entitlement. Just want

Title	Men feel entitled to casual sex
Author	lana3068
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Date	August 8, 2022 3:41 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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