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Men feel entitled to casual sex

August 8, 2022
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Men on here tend to talk about casual sex like they are confused and hurt why they dont get it. A lot of men dont get casual sex so why do they act like they were led on by society. I dont ever remember anyone saying or insinuating casual sex was common growing up- I can remember guys pretending like they had slept with a lot of women but it was VERY apparent they were lying.

I think it is widely known that women's sex drive tends to be lower than males and women tend to want relationships- so it seems like all the guys on here want something that doesn't exist.

And just because they see chad having casual sex they think that means they should be too? I see women my age having sugar daddies that give them millions yet I dont think that means I should be having the same experience, why?- because I'm an average girl and I know that treatment is reserved for models.

These men complaining about lack of casual sex also have the view that high n count women are low value and unattractive- so why exactly (by your own logic) do you think women would want to sleep with you if it lowers her value?

Guys on here also like to point out that men will sleep with anyone- ugly women, women they hate, fat women etc. AND they point out that casual sex isn't the best experience for women saying that guys dont care about women they are having casual sex with.

It just shocks me that guys can say that casual sex is a lose lose situation for women and then they wonder why women dont want to have casual sex with them!

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Title Men feel entitled to casual sex
Author lana3068
Upvotes 7
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Date August 8, 2022 3:41 AM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]MAGA-Latino 18 points19 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

I think you are confusing entitlement with a want. Guys want casual sex, that isn't the same as feeling entitled to it.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait that makes too much sense

[–]Liberated_Asexual 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not nearly as much as women seem to feel entitled to relationships with a dude out of their league just because they slept with them.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not nearly as much as women seem to feel entitled to relationships with a dude out of their league just because they slept with them.

This is a major, major problem with the modern dating scene. So many women on dating apps are oblivious to what their relationship market value/league is because they had casual sex from Chads. My favourite ex told me recently that she dated me because she knew that I would never leave her for another woman. She understood relationship market value very well. She is one of only two ciswomen I ever really loved. So many ciswomen in 2022 are delusional and bitches. She was a bitch to me after we broke up. But I am eternally grateful to her for being so nice to me when we were together.

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guys like the Tinder Swindler thrive of female delusion. Every single one of those women he conned were like 5's and were no even close to his league in the looks department.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that's what I noticed. The girls he conned were plain janes. While he is wealthy and an attractive Jewish Israeli man. In fact one of the plain janes commented that he was shorter than what she typically likes. ROFL. Heightism yet again. Why is it always the ugly women and plain janes who care so much about height?

[–]Mr_KenSpeckle -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, if you want women to take you seriously as a man, maybe you should stop using words like "ciswomen". There is already a perfectly good word for that--the word is "women." Massive beta red flag.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 3 points4 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

You have so much of this wrong it hurts. Sorry.

It’s a big subject and I doubt we can go through it all here. It includes socio-biological concepts like paternity fraud, concealed ovulation, sexual marketplace value, hyper gamy and so on.

Suffice to say that most of the resentment - I’m assuming the OP is questioning why low-value men feel resentment - is because they don’t get an opportunity for sex full stop. Low value women, though, can get sex whenever they like. Because the in-built libidos of men and women work differently to each other, and follow different imperatives and strategies.

Evidence? A short or unattractive man has zero chance of success on a dating app. Zero.

An unattractive woman? Has merely to adjust the parameters she’ll accept, and is guaranteed to get hits.

The first thing to ask yourself is this: how do men and women best ensure their genes are promulgated, and what is that likely to do to their behaviour? WHAT DO WOMEN FIND ATTRACTIVE AND WHY? Women gatekeep sex, therefore women’s preferences drive the dating market.

I hear you saying “personality” is what’s attractive but that’s bunk when viewed at scale. If that was the primary factor, short guys with “great personalities” would be successful on dating apps. Instead - 75% of women set their dating app filters to exclude men under 6’ and 5’11” is still above average! Why?

Furthermore, Tinder released some figures on age a few years ago. The female age most swiped right by guys (predictably) was 18. The male age was 50. Why?

If you’re male, 6’4”, moderately attractive, average intelligence, and not obese, you can have sex with dozens/hundreds of girls. You’re a Chad. Why?

If you’re male, 5’5”, 22, are less than averagely attractive and a bit podgy you will statistically have sex with zero girls. At all. Zero. Why? These are the incels.

If you are male, attractive, intelligent, a “great personality”, 22 and 5’9” you have to fight tooth and claw to get female attention. Yet you see Chads getting all the action. Do you understand why there is resentment now?

Now. Let’s see how you respond. I’m expecting some form of ad-hominem.

[–]kokorwqac 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It is 50 because there are a lot of single older women or girls/scammers/prostitutes looking for a betabux on those apps, no sane woman under 25 thinks 50 year old men are physically attractive in any way, men over 30 who want younger girls actually started to lie about their age on dating apps recently because of their experiences on failing to find 20 year old girls willing to date 33 year olds.

I also think blackpill mostly applies in online dating, in real life you can see average couples in malls and most people don't even notice the difference between 6ft and 5'10, maybe guys should try meeting from either social circles or online social circles, dating apps are busted and even manipulated imo and are not fully trustable. That being said you shouldn't be completely bluepilled either.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I don’t disagree.

It’s 18/50 because those are the single ages which the biggest swath of the opposing sex is interested in.

Male Chads can be classed as a Chad from 18 to about 35. Women over 30 though are looking at resources as well as abs and height. Chad dick is desirable to them, but so are nice holidays.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

But most men aren't looking for betabuxxers, scammer bots or older single mum, they are looking for slim women between ages 18-30 that genuinely desires them sexually or romantically(otherwise they would just pay for a whore) in that case being under 35 or even 30 is probably the best.

Height is very exeggrated too, not only can most people not tell the diff between 5'11 and 6 ft in actual flesh and blood, but a lot of people even have wrong ideas about height because a lot of people that are 5'9-5'10 in reality lie to be taller

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That’s my point. Men and women find very different things attractive, for different reasons.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

On the height thing: the importance of that can’t be overstated.

Once again, 75% of women on dating apps set their height filter at 6’ or higher.

So?

It means 75% of women don’t even see 85% of men.

It also totally encourages outright lying on the apps.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I also think blackpill mostly applies in online dating, in real life you can see average couples in malls and most people don't even notice the difference between 6ft and 5'10, maybe guys should try meeting from either social circles or online social circles, dating apps are busted and even manipulated imo and are not fully trustable.

I agree with you that the dating apps are terrible and social circle game is better. Unfortunately I get zero opportunities to meet single available women through my social circle. My friends and family never introduce me to any single available women. You see the rejection that the losers of society feel is not just from women. But from greater society, including our own family too.

And cold approaching IRL in the #metoo era is very risky.

[–]kokorwqac 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can use online social circles, idk why people don't do it

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can use online social circles, idk why people don't do it

What kind of online social circles? Like meetup dot com, online forums?

I actually did meet my favourite ex off an online forum. She messaged me first too.

I'm currently seeing a crossdresser that I met off a dating app. And crossdressers are not my first preference admittedly, I'm predominately straight (I did get hard though when she was massaging me in the car so its not like I feel zero attraction to crossdressers though. But I do prefer my two favourite exes, who are ciswomen). But its hard for me to be angry at her for correctly recognizing that I am under-valued in the dating app market and taking advantage of the situation! lol. I think transwomen and crossdressers have a competitive advantage in the dating app marketplace because their logical-rational male brains allow them to identify market inefficiencies. They know that ciswomen have inflated egos on those apps.

So crossdressers and transwomen know they can aim higher on the apps but they don't aim as high as ciswomen do because ciswomen on the apps have a very warped perception of their relationship market value. Because they think that just because Chad slept with them, they can get Chad to commit. The crossdresser was getting touchy feely with me within 10 minutes of meeting me and essentially gave me a handjob in my car at the end of the date. Whereas ciswomen on dating apps treat us like we are their dancing monkey. The crossdresser showed me her Grindr. So she gets offers from Chad too. But I think she fingered me as someone who is under-valued in the dating app marketplace. So this is likely why she went on a date with me instead of Chad from Grindr.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You are wrong on personality doesn't matter. Confidence and social grace are important. Autistic guys who are above average looks wise will still struggle.

The question was why do guys feel untitled to sex- you didn't really answer the question. Its obvious why guys dont get sex but guys act surprised when they dont get it.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They don’t feel entitled.

They feel resentment for not getting what they want.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Weak. I dont get what I want all the time.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Still dodging the questions.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Plus: you’re dodging those questions…

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The one about what women find attractive? Well that's so obvious. What do both sexes like? Facially attractive fit young people.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re still dodging. There are physical attributes and behaviours that the sexes find differentially attractive.

Facially, both sexes like symmetry as it indicates healthy genetics.

Men find fertility markers attractive. Wide hips, big boobs etc. things that indicate a woman can bring a baby to term, not die while delivering it, and then survive long enough for it to get out of infancy.

Women find strength markers attractive. Because strength indicates the ability to provide security and protection. So: height, wide shoulders and the “V-taper”, muscular development etc.

What constitutes attractive and unattractive behaviours to either sex is a huge can of worms. Suffice to say it is NOT what Cosmo / Disney princesses like to say it is.

Anyway - that’s only one of the questions I listed…

[–]Bandit174 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the frustration is that most women can have casual sex but only a subset of men can.

Thats also part of why they dislike high n women too.

Not having casual sex and ending up with a girl who also didn't have casual sex would be fine.

Having casual sex and getting a high n count and dating a girl with a high n count is fine.

What they hate is not being able to have casual sex but getting stuck having to date women that did have casual sex and knowing that the men their gf did have casual sex with were superior to them on most metrics.

They get the worst of both worlds. She was the free love liberal uninhibited slut for chad and then they get stuck with the reformed version. The bad girl thats good just for you.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep, it's a dog eat dog world for those men. sit in the corner, wait until she's run up enough mileage to call herself "mature" and "accomplished", and if you've been doing everything right while everything went wrong for you, get the washed-out monochrome marriage & mortgage deal.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

Not entitled. But guys def feel like they are missing out on a huge part of their youth and sexual lives.

So they are frustrated and use this app to vent them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I understand where they are coming from but I feel like society and they put too much value on casual sex over romance especially in. I noticed this trend in articles about casual sex in which the author speaks to audience in a way it seems like everyone is participating in this or that everyone should. They also tend to describe casual sex in vivid detail to the point to attract audience.

For example they are like girl we know you have been there, sleeping with plenty of men is exhausting as well as empowering, I think people should go out of their comfort zone and give casual sex a try even if it goes against your value, or casual sex isn't for me but I support women getting pumped in a dirty bathroom stall in a run down bar with a sexy stranger she just met and will not see after this sexy hot meet up.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I understand where they are coming from but I feel like society and they put too much value on casual sex over romance especially in.

Very few men ever experience being romanced, either. They do the romancing but rarely get romanced. It's terribly tiring for the most part.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's like they're describing a parallel universe where everyone lives in a porno

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I miss out on a lot of stuff being an introvert but I just accept it and move on because I recognize the world owes me nothing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can still be frustrated tho.

[–]TriggurWarning 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

You should be happy, introverted people enjoy their solitude.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Incels should be happy they have porn

[–]TriggurWarning 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure they are, but it's obviously not a good substitute for real human emotional and physical connection. Loneliness and isolation is known to increase the risk of death dramatically. We ought to empathize with the rapidly growing isolation of people in society.

[–]catniagara 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah well how is it our fault they watch too many Hollywood movies where teens are played unrealistically by highly paid 25-32 year olds?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

it isn't. honestly i blame shitty boomer and gen X parents who actually thought those movies were real life but maybe that's because their lives really were like that.

but really i don't think it's the movies. it's modern preachers for example who have no idea how mating works and just preach about "young people" doing crazy shit. it's tik tok recommending you the 10th clip of some airhead talking about how she loves abusive guys if and only if they're tall. it's seeing tinder experiments that blow your mind when your parents have been giving you advice for getting laid that only works if you're a happy days character as if they've never been younger than 30.

[–]catniagara 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m seeing none of what you’re seeing. My TikTok is nothing but makeup for men

People telling me how fabulous I am

Cute music, and funny scientists

I think you may have broken your algorithm by consuming the wrong kind of content. So I’ll just link everything in my scroll for you. We can fix this!!!

Your wife is your partner not your mom

Let people have bortions

Men are more emotional

…go down that rabbit hole, and tik tok will realize you don’t fetishize woman abuse :3

For the rest, my brother is genx and my parents are boomers. Our preacher is responsible for a lot of successful marriages because he runs youth, teens and twenties groups that introduce people to each other. Having been part of a tinder experiment myself, the ones online are fake and any attractive guy can easily prove it.

My cousins are in their twenties and getting married to people they met the same way I met my SO. In person through common interests.

And Neil Strauss, the “pick up artist” who wrote “The Game” denounced everything he said and threw a funeral for his big-man alter ego when his wife walked out on him.

Long before the divorce he admitted that he was wrong, and both himself, his ex, and the thousands of other women who will never want him and hate him for his contribution to making their lives hell, credit his “tactics” with his ruined relationship.

If the “man himself” says it not only doesn’t work, but is damaging, why would his followers not listen to him now the way they did then?

And honestly, he’s not that ugly and his wife isn’t that beautiful. He was just a good looking man with low self esteem giving bad advice. His book only circulated as a Hollywood joke, to show how ridiculous the tactics were and how well they wouldn’t work for average looking perverted men who just want to objectify women.

I mean I’m a Sheldon girl but I still would rather be any guy on that entire show than self-help, PUA following poor bastard Howard.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

i don't use tik tok in the first place señora, i'm just saying what trickles up from the dumps of tik tok to youtube is that sort of content and i dont really enjoy the stuff you seem to be into. good on your preacher though, but game sells for desperate men. i'm not christian and most manospherians aren't. myself, i'm more of a former muslim.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Casual sex is overrated.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't even want casual sex, I want a monogamous relationship, I look down on men who have casual sex.

That's coming from an incel...

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The kind of incel that doesn't fit the popular narrative...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's because of internal contradiction that they do want a romantic partner but they also want to go against that want and values for casual sex. And they blame the discomfort in their contradictory desires on women because it's easier to do so then owning up to that contradiction. I am also against the double standards like feminist but I go the opposite direction. I want to end praising men for having high n count and I want to eliminate hook up culture because it's a treat to the specific romance culture I like. I do struggle with this contradiction myself but I fight back against my desire to have casual sex. Most men should be willing to struggle against this internal struggle.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll explain to you the phenomenon you're seeing.

Lower quality men actually don't want "sex". What they want is acceptance. Sex can be bought with cash. But to be given sex voluntarily means you've gain acceptance. I have no doubt, most of these so call incels would be very happy to be in a platonic relationship with a girl too.

If you have any empathy for the losers of society, you would understand, they are rejected more frequently by others based on their appearance. This rejection goes beyond romance. Friendship, job interviews, their own family will reject them in subtle ways that start to erk at their unconscious.

Their resentment is unhealthy, but it's also understandable.

[–]catniagara 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t get casual sex either, and I’m not stupid enough to want it XD

[–]lizzy1289 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So much this...

A lot of the guys posting here on these kind of subreddits feel like they are entitled to our bodies or something. They act like it's some kind of crime for us to want an attractive partner.

I got a message for the incels reading this: The world owes you NOTHING. Women owe you NOTHING. This is a world where, like it or not incels, women can make our own choices. If you are not attractive enough to be a viable partner then that is entirely a you problem and nobody else's. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

I'd like to win the lottery and get 2 billion dollars! But that's not likely to ever happen, so I accept that and move on with my life. Why? Because I acknowledge that life doesn't owe me anything.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

incels complain about their issues, so do you.

does the world owe something to women that get free gibs from the government, like free birth control & free condoms?

feminists seem very eager to repeat these mantras that sound like they were copied from ayn rand until they want FrEEe GiiIBs, FreEEe AbOrSHunS, MoOOAR PoLiciNg to MaKe Me FEEL SaFe and the like.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, right?... "Women owe you nothing!"

But when they become single moms with a kid they can't afford, then we all owe them something.

Or if they become homeless, then we owe them federally funded women-only shelters they can go to for a free bed and 3 hot meals a day.

Or they want to go to college, then we owe them federally backed affirmative action scholarships just for being a woman: https://www.scholarshipsforwomen.net/

Or they want free abortions, free mammograms, free contraceptives, free this, free that. They get it all. While men get fucking nothing. This life is a fucking scam for men these days. No wonder men make up 79% of suicides.

[–]hari_hbp 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lot of the guys posting here on these kind of subreddits feel like they are entitled to our bodies or something.

How were you able to tell? Did they say that women should have sex with them?

They act like it's some kind of crime for us to want an attractive partner.

Okay, I'll give you that one. I don't know why people shit of women for having high standards.

got a message for the incels reading this: The world owes you NOTHING. Women owe you NOTHING. This is a world where, like it or not incels, women can make our own choices.

This is a message for everybody, regardless of sexual experience.

If you are not attractive enough to be a viable partner then that is entirely a you problem and nobody else's. Sorry, but that's just how it is.

Not necessarily. That depends on the woman too. A man can be a god, a woman can still reject him.

I'd like to win the lottery and get 2 billion dollars! But that's not likely to ever happen, so I accept that and move on with my life. Why? Because I acknowledge that life doesn't owe me anything.

This, I agree with.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of the guys posting here on these kind of subreddits feel like they are entitled to our bodies or something.

I am and that will never change.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy Link

Your logic doesn’t make sense. Females have a low sex drive, want relationships, is a lose lose situation and hate casual sex. Based on what you said females wouldn’t have casual sex ever?

That is clearly not the case, they do have casual sex.

In regards to being entitled to casual sex. Personally for me, my expectation for females is extremely low. I do not expect kindness or anything from them, why would I think they would give me casual sex?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

The logic you are talking about is guys logic- not mine. read the post again if you are confused.

Women only have casual sex if the guy is amazing so that overrules all the bad things about casual sex.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

On what metric is the guy “amazing”? If females are primarily attracted to personality (I’m guessing that is your view) how do they know that the guy is “amazing” from a causal interaction?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Looks and personality. Why would a women choose an average guy when they can sleep with a hot confident guy, its pretty easy to see why average guys are excluded from casual dating- they just dont have as much to offer.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

It is impossible to gauge “personality” from one encounter. So is a “hot” guy an objective measure? Does that mean all females like the same looks? Why can’t someone who is “average” to one female be “hot” to another and have a casual encounter?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

if the guy is amazing.

yeah, no, maybe if he's hot. (this is why men don't like being called "husband material" by the way) but nothing about being a good upstanding person plays into it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Amazing can mean different things. I mean amazing as in hot, funny, confident, not mother teresa lol

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

then don't speak like you conflate being sexually attractive with being a laudable person.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The girls who engage in casual sex are either hook up culture warriors or people who were pressured into this culture, or mentally ill folks. Yes some of them are mentally ill get over it.

They would give you casual sex because they want to get off. Someone told me girls would sleep with his ugly friend because they just want to get off. Girls don't have to be nice to their hook up partner they just want to relieve stress. I reddit post in xchromozone subreddit posted talks about how she has casual sex with someone she hates (who happens to be racist) just to get off. Guys might be pumping but the girls are dumping as well.

[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, I do know that females participate in hook up culture. It is quite obvious that they do or there wouldn’t be any guys that do it.

What is annoying is when someone says that females hate casual sex as it is bad for them. That is clearly not true if they do it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is bad for women and men who truly value romance in my opinion. Hook up culture says that young people are too immature for a relationship and that romance is reserved only for people in their late 20's.

I don't care for individual participating in casual sex but I have problem with how hook up culture is affecting principal romantics.

[–]Incellius_Maximus 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have yet to see someone on this sub act like they are entitled to casual sex. And in general I don't think that I have come across someone who thinks they are entitled to casual sex. That must be a very fringe belief. Where are you getting this feeling that "men" (presumably a significant minority of us) feel entitled to casual sex? Have you been reading too many niceguy posts? Because those guys are universally condemned.

[–]OberOst 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entitlement accusation is obviously baseless. No male says he's entitled to sex or romance besides some trolls and weirdos. It's a false accusation that's used to devalue and dismiss male frustration with the modern dating market and their sexual lives.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

entitled is a fairly meaningless word that was abused to mean "you want something i dont like". if the male users here threaten you or demand for you to have sex with them, that's entitlement. if they say it's your fault you, an individual, aren't spreading your legs right now for them, that's entitlement. anything else is just pearl clutching. i personally am not down for hookups & don't really see the value in being with someone that's had them. but so do women... when it comes to LTRs. they don't want the casual guy either, they just price-gouge the better guy for a weaker form of the same service they gave before. however, it's presented as "the standard" youth experience by social and mass media, so men tend to feel understandably excluded if they don't participate.

[–]hari_hbp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Just like women, men want to have sex too. The problem arises when people, regardless of gender, are unable to accept a fundamental right of humanity - freedom of choice.

As for your points, the guys who want to have casual sex are probably not the same ones claiming that it lowers a woman's value.

I think it is widely known that women's sex drive tends to be lower than males and women tend to want relationships- so it seems like all the guys on here want something that doesn't exist.

Not sure about that chief, hookup culture is pretty prevalent out there.

[–]hdksndiisn 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you’re missing the fact that the casual sex men are talking about women refer to as Dating. I know many women who would say they don’t have casual sex yet have slept with more men in a year than most men will have slept with in their lifetime, but to these women because the sex happened after a date or two it doesn’t count as casual. As a result still the same “upper echelon” of men have women on rotation, and every other man waiting on the sidelines.

Most men just want women to like them. And they sleep with anyone not because they want everyone but because they can only sleep with the few women that give them a chance.

Otherwise I probably agree with the rest of your post. At least I think men should stop saying they want casual sex and start saying they want to be liked by women they find attractive, or want sex from women they’d be happy to be in a relationship with.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This trope is as tired as it's wrong. Men are raised FROM BIRTH to realize that nothing, especially sexual interactions with women, comes without great effort, and most importantly, life has no guarantees. Your whole story fails because it flies in the face of that basic fact!

I mean, if your claim had even a shred of accuracy we wouldn't have liftmaxing, looksmaxing, statusmaxing and all kinds of other things that they peddle to men to improve themselves for the sake of getting laid. They'd be sitting there and saying "why aren't they just coming at me?!" and literally no one says that. Every dude that is about casual sex is putting out the effort to obtain it, big time.

Sheesh, male feminist simps need to come up with some new material.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women's sex drive does appear to be lower than men's. During my first date with a crossdresser yesterday, she was massaging me in the car while I was driving her home after our date. Including even going underneath my shorts and stroking me bare at times. Within less than 10 minutes of meeting her, she grabbed my hand and put it to her bare legs when she asked me why I was quiet and I said I had social anxiety. It feels nice actually being desired and wanted. Most ciswomen think they are hot shit.

If it wasn't for my favourite ex-gf, I would just give up on ciswomen completely in 2022. I fell in love with two ciswomen and they loved me back. They made me feel desired too. But overall, I feel that I am more compatible with transwomen and crossdressers because they have male brains. My favourite ex used to tell me that she had a "male brain". Her personality was more masculine than most women. Maybe that's why I loved her so much. My second favourite ex, she wasn't masc but she was more forward and down-to-earth than most ciswomen.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Coming out of closet?

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I knew I liked transwomen/CDs ever since a latina crossdresser swiped right on me a couple years ago during the pandemic. She was very feminine. But I didn't pursue it because let's face it, society is very homophobic and transphobic. Contrary to all the surface level wokeness. It wasn't until a transwoman matched with me and messaged me two months ago that I just said "fuck it." She lived too far but I had been talking to other TS/CD girls since. And then went on a date with one three days ago and we kissed and fooled around and that made things clear to me. My first preference is ciswomen. But it's hard for me to find a good ciswoman on dating apps. Even the CD is in the dog house with me because based on her behaviour today I suspect she is a user (as in uses men, Not a drug user). So I might not actually see her again. Unless she shows me that my assessment of her character is wrong. Men are so thirsty in 2022 that even the passable TS/CD girls on the dating apps develop egos. Sadly I'm not bisexual enough to be into cismen.

[–]Any-Bottle-4910 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know. I never worried much about it unless it was a ridiculous number. Double standards suck. But, I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about with the other stuff. If I were to guess, I’d say I had sex with maybe 10-12 girls in highschool. What’s scandalous is how many were friends with each other, and would say “____ can never know about this”. By the time I left college it was dozens, but my GF joined in that. Air Force made it a solid 40+. Bartending for 19 years made it over 100.

So… casual sex… it happens. A lot. Put yourself out there and get some!

Full disclosure: I’m happily married for ages now. We’ve discussed each other’s past, but only after we were together for a good while. She was shocked and appalled by my body count. Mine was over 100. Hers was under 10. We were both around 32 years of age.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all guys are so shallow. Don’t be pressured into anything. Love and accept yourself first. The rest will follow accordingly.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No entitlement. Just want

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