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Men should protect women ( and do other things ), women should provide sex (ADOT). There's nothing wrong with that.

September 11, 2022
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Title Men should protect women ( and do other things ), women should provide sex (ADOT). There's nothing wrong with that.
Author you-arent-reading-it
Upvotes 0
Comments 37
Date September 11, 2022 7:47 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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[–]hudibrastic 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Women are already outsourcing protection to the state anyway

Woman: we don't need men to protect us!

Also women: we need more law enforcement to protect women!

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Unfortunately women don't even value the effort made by men to protect them. They are not grateful at all, but we keep on protecting them because it's in our instinct... I always say that people will take advantage of you if they can and if they are allowed to not be grateful while benefitting from that, they will do it.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They’re indoctrinated to believe they could survive without men and that men are all the problem in the world. It’s sad as hell

[–]Slipthe 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Either way humanity would die off, so it's a moot point.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL did you ever watch the series "Y: The Last Man"? It's basically the "Kill All Men" fantasy granted to womankind.

Episode four had a mother hiding her daughter under a dark shelf in a looted pharmacy. Now, in a world where all the men are dead (except one), ask yourself... what was she hiding her kid from? lol

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s a good question lol. And that show got canceled quickly too

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's in our instinct

Not in my instinct. I'm not disposable and won't be treated as such.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao facts

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Why do these people always talk about sex like it’s a sacrificial trade-off?

Good sex for women exists.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Good sex for women exists.

Certainly you didn't experiment it. The people that regularly do, don't feel the need to highlight it.

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

What?

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -4 points-3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Wtf are you talking about. "sacrificial"

Go get some help before you categorize every mediocre sex as assault.

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Wtf are you talking about?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

i dont always agree with decoy but he didnt say anything about himself having sex here lol??????????

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I highlighted the fact that there's no sacrifice involved in this conversation. That sacrifice topic is often brought by feminists that think most men objectify women when in reality it's more common that women objectify themselves in social medias by ridiculously showing themselves half-naked. The only reason is either they have been brainwashed by a feminist propaganda or they have a personal experience that reflect what they believe. I brought the last one up.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

ofc sex isn't a sacrifice for women, it's something they enjoy just as much as men or if they don't then they benefit from it in some other manner barring the victims of human trafficking. that is also what decoy said

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They still leverage it. They know it’s all they have 99% of the time

[–]IHateNormis 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok, so if a man doesn’t get sex he shouldn’t protect? That is fine with me

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, so if a man doesn’t get sex he shouldn’t protect?

I would rather say that in that case he can act with less responsibility for that duty. Women should be protected anyways. But there is a limit, and that service shouldn't be provided equally for all women, but only for the one/s you love or choose to commit to. You shouldn't for example protect random women to the point of providing resources for their future.

Women have also other duties. So based on how they act in them they could receive a different treatment.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s actually very fair

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Men should provide me sex. Meanwhile I need to protect their ego from being harmed by being a bottom and not a top /s

Snark aside, I've never felt the need to be protected, other than from spiders. Goddamn spiders. Like yeah I def need big man arms to carry those spiders outside.

Also, sex is like hella relaxing. Paired with a full body massage, I reach complete inner peace, and a sudden need for those strong man arms arises to go hunt for pizza at the pizza hut for those post sex munch cravings.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Then don't get married, nor find a man. Going around fucking dudes is perfectly suited for you.

Well, unless you chose that one day you'll have a kid. In that case your way of being may create problems in the relationship and you should be prepared for a split soon. Your kids wouldn't get anything good from that though. And knowing it in advance, the smartest thing to do is put aside your ego and ultimately choose to not have kids despite your possible wish.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well. I've never really wanted to get married anyway. Marriage is rather outdated and unnecessary in this day and age. It provides me nothing I need that I can't get without one. Going around fucking dudes is perfectly suited to me unless a guy shows up and can give me everything I need from a relationship, in which case I'd be willing to commit to a relationship. Maybe that will happen maybe not. Realistically, that may not happen because I have very high standards, which is fine because I'd rather be single than with someone who isn't good enough for me and can't give me what I need and want.

I'm childfree so I'm not having any kids, because I'm smart enough to understand how stupid that would be of me when I'm not at all suited to be a parent, and when I have zero desire to be one. Self awareness is a trait I'm very grateful to have. I'm currently looking into sterilization options as I jus turned 25 which means I can apply to have it done and get it granted in my country. Also, getting sterilized will efficiently repel all the men who think they can change my mind about kids out of my life. That will likely be the majority of men, but yeah at least they won't try to waste my time with LTR.

Anyway, I have no issue setting aside my ego and pride. I'm not a particularly prideful person. Well I take pride in my intelligence but yeah.. I can set that aside too to show people compassion. If pride doesn't benefit me or others I don't really see the point in being prideful. Same thing with jealousy. If it isn't useful to be jealous, why be jealous? And that's the way I think anyway.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

which is fine because I'd rather be single than with someone who isn't good enough for me and can't give me what I need and want.

Nowadays most women think that way anyways.

because I have very high standards

Most women nowadays have high standards anyways. Nothing new or special.

I've never felt the need to be protected

Well we night not mean the same thing by protecting.

Well I take pride in my intelligence but yeah..

IQ?

I'm currently looking into sterilization options as I jus turned 25 which means I can apply to have it done and get it granted in my country

Good luck with that! I'm childfree and got snipped a few months ago after getting made fun of by 9 doctors. Had to fly another country in order to get snipped. I hope you will go through slightly less social burden.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks! I don't think it will be an issue.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

At least your honest. I find that most women who have very high standards don’t bring much to a guy who has options so why would he commit to you? I think women need to know they’re not special just like us guys and when you’re fucking with a winner he can replace you VERY easily

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You're right. I'm aware of what I bring to the table though. A guy would commit to me because I'm great fun, I love having lots of sex, and kinky sex (BDSM style) I'm able to provide interesting conversations on a wide variety of topics and I know how to carry a conversation. I offer my very honest opinion. I offer logic, rationale and sensibility to the table as well as fairness I bring my great cooking skills to the table, as I aspire to be chef level great at cooking. It's a passion of mine, as well as I am self sufficient. I also offer to bring a lot of Green plants to the house and flowers to the dinner table cause I'm a florist by trade. I'm also ridiculously flexible and understanding and forgiving (to the point some dudes would wanna take advantage of me). I mean I could go on and on about what I offer in a relationship as I'm a very giving and generous person.. I'm very aware of what I bring to the table. What I've struggled with is finding a man who matched my high level of effort and who is compatible with me.

I may not be special, but I do have a combination of traits no one else has. The same goes for guys. Knowing your strong qualities is just as important as knowing your weak qualities. After all, dating is about advertising and selling yourself. I'm a sales woman myself, so I know how to play on my strong traits to win people and men over.

Personally, I view myself as the winner, and anyone fucking with me can get replaced.

Confidence is key. To make others believe you are special, you gotta make them believe you are special by coming across as if you yourself are. That's how I sell plants and flowers too. When I say these are the highest quality flowers they can get with full confidence, they buy it.

That's why I disagree with you, that people shouldn't view themselves as special. If you don't believe you are special, you will show others that you don't believe you are special and people won't think you are. It's psychology shit but true. If you confidently believe in yourself people are much more inclined to believe in you too.

Hell, I just secured a brand new florist job with much better pay despite not having a trade certificate because I know how to play on my strong qualities and skills and downplay the fact that I don't have the certificate as an insignificant side note. I know I'm not qualified for all parts of the job, but I put heavy emphasis on what I am most experienced in, and the rest I'll just learn along the way.

[–]anonymous-platypus1 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What are men protecting women from in todays world?

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Military duty, marriage contracts( with alimony and child support ) are all created in order to protect women. Men also indirectly protect women by choosing the dangerous but necessary jobs that women wouldn't choose anyways.

Women get incredible benefits and I believe it is perfectly fine like this.

[–]anonymous-platypus1 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women can serve in the military: that is a false flag men love to wave. Trust me, if there is ever a need for a draft again in the US, they will nix that rule about women not serving the very same day. It’s can’t stand now that women are allowed in the military.

Alimony and child support laws were made my men who realized that the financial struggles created by men who fathered children outside of marriage were a burden on the government. And as women continue to earn more, that alimony gap will change. Honestly that’s a huge reason for men to be rooting for equal pay: especially if they are worried about who gets what in a divorce. If you don’t want to at hefty alimony, don’t get a stay at home wife.

Sure, there are some jobs that would be harder for women to do efficiently: but those jobs aren’t going to be needed forever, and not all men even do those jobs. More men now are wanting to go into office jobs that are not dangerous or physically demanding at all.

Im a woman. I can say I get zero benefits from being a woman. Maybe a free meal or drink every now and then, but even then I have to constantly consider what the man’s motives were for buying me those things.

Mens protector role is dying. You don’t get sex by just being able to provide anymore because women can now do that themselves. Men must also be good people as they aren’t fighting off threats day after day.

Hell, I’ve been closer to military service than almost every guy I’ve dated.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women can serve in the military

Men innately want to protect women. Way more men statistically even try the route of military. The number of women who try that route is almost insignificant.

Having women in the military creates further problems in the safety of the country, but since you're not ready to listen, I'll leave it here and maybe explain it when you ask for it.

Alimony and child support laws were made my men who realized that the financial struggles created by men who fathered children outside of marriage were a burden on the government.

Single mothers are a financial burden to the government as well. But they are paid for life. And in most countries, if not clearly specified in the contract, even without kids the woman will receive the fruits of the man's job for life.

and not all men even do those jobs.

Wow. Best counter argument. "But not all men". Just start reasoning with your head instead of repeating whatever you read on internet by feminists.

More men now are wanting to go into office jobs that are not dangerous or physically demanding at all.

Almost 100% of dangerous jobs are worked by men. 80% of work injuries are in men.

Im a woman. I can say I get zero benefits from being a woman.

That's because by being a woman you don't need to understand men's struggles.

Maybe a free meal or drink every now and then, but even then I have to constantly consider what the man’s motives were for buying me those things.

Wow so you'd prefer not doing anything. The man needs to set up the date and pay for you when most of the times can't even do sex with you because you act precious. If he managed to get a date with you it means he already brought value. You instead, don't need to bring value as a woman to get dates. Any woman can't eat dates. Not every man can do that.

Mens protector role is dying.

It's not dying at all. In your experience it is. Which means that you don't succede on finding gentlemen/you are not grateful.

You don’t get sex by just being able to provide anymore because women can now do that themselves.

Exactly. Men need to do a lot more than providing basic resources in this modern time in order to get sex. They need to have extra resources and a awful lot of other things that women find in a package when in reality it took years to get to that point.

Stop minimizing your privileges. I just said that it's fine. I'm not complaining about those privileges. I really think it is fine, but when you minimize men's efforts like that you only make yourself look ridiculous.

Edit: I looked at your comment chronology. Take care.

[–]anonymous-platypus1 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Listen, the privileges of some women do not apply to me, as I am an “undesirable woman of color”. Not only am I picking where to go eat, I am being asked to go Dutch. I am being threatened with violence because I dare to have standards. Any free meal I get usually comes with the assumption that I’m going to put out, followed by rage that I do not. So please complain to someone else about female benefits. I don’t have them. And No, I’m not having sex with any of these men because none of them are worth the risk sex would bring. I will wait until I meet someone worthy of the risk who I have spent time with and actually like as a person.

The issue is that men have designed a society where their strength will no longer matter. Warfare is not fought hand to hand anymore: A burly strong man is going to take a shot to the head just like anyone else would. He’s not going to stop a bomb, he’s not going to stop anything on his own if a country decided to invade. Hell he will probably make sure his partner had a gun so she can help fend off predators on her own.

There is nothing wrong with men having to actually be nice people now in order to attract women. Marriage no longer benefits western women that don’t want the traditional role: actually it’s been proven that married womens lives are drastically worse than their single counterparts. Marriage doesn’t even carry the illusion of fidelity anymore; your husband cheats and everyone will know: he won’t leave her, and you have to go on living your life.

If I’m going to risk having a shifty life as a wife, it’s only going to be for a man I love as a PERSON and not just as a man. Because if I only need him for the role he plays, then if something happens to stop him from doing that role, there would be no point in the relationship: Same if it was flipped.

Women are not sex machines for men to stick money and time into. We are people: and as such we are demanding to be treated with respect. Not every man is like this of course, but you are trying to spread an agenda that will make more men think they are owed sex from women. Honestly, please, leave women alone unless they are actually interested, and in the interim, you can literally take Care of the sex problem yourself.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

God damn this thread is dumb af.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say it is provocative.

[–]Slipthe 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not disagreeing that sex is important, but there's really not a lot of protection a man does for a woman on a day to day basis. And many of the things a man might have done to protect a woman in the past are things she is doing for herself now because she goes out into the world alone from time to time.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

a man does for a woman on a day to day basis

That's because you never dated gentlemen.

And many of the things a man might have done to protect a woman in the past are things she is doing for herself now because she goes out into the world alone from time to time.

I agree. But still the role of men is very important and necessary in our society.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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