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Most MGTOW's didn't go thier own way, they were sent thier own way.

Antisocial_Nihilist
August 11, 2022
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It always amuses me to see all these MGTOW's who say they "went thier own way" after decades of being rejected by women and never getting a date.

I'm sorry, brother... but your ass got SENT your own way. These types of dudes were incels all along, but don't want to call themselves that because of the stigma behind the label. Either that, or they delude themselves into thinking they actually have some level of control/agency in this matter. When in reality? They have pretty much none.

I'm not saying MGTOW's don't exist at all. There are some uncommon exceptions of attractive and above average men who decide relationships are not worth the effort. But to me it seems like at least 75% of MGTOW guys are just incels, but under a different label.

This opinion is highly controversial amongst MGTOW's and when I brought up this talking point to them, I got banned from a MGTOW forum. ---------‐-----‐-------------------------------------------------------

Edit: I'm not saying these things because I look down on these incel MGTOW's. On the contrary, I have a great deal of sympathy for them. I'm just saying these things factually. A lot of guys in the MGTOW community don't want to accept they never had a choice in thier predicament. It's a tough pill to swallow.

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Title Most MGTOW's didn't go thier own way, they were sent thier own way.
Author Antisocial_Nihilist
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Date August 11, 2022 8:29 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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[–]MarBitt 7 points8 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Even if women reject you, there's nothing stopping you from trying to approach them in bars, on the streets, wherever. Try your luck at online dating. Or anything else you can think of.

When you resign yourself to that and stop trying to find any woman for a relationship or sex, you are MGTOW.

[–]IHateNormis 8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Yes there is, there is something called being metoo’d now

[–]MarBitt 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well yes. Now, when you approach an unknown woman, you have to ask her out on a date, for example to dinner. Instead of asking her to strip and dance on the table. :-)

[–]IHateNormis 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

If she hates you enough she can lie about being raped by you, there is a clear and present danger

[–]IrrungenWirrungen 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Why would you approach a woman who hates you?

[–]MarBitt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or more traditionally she can shoot you in the face or kick you in the crotch.

Life is basically a minefield where the only certainty is that you will not survive.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In Britain, a law was just passed recently that made any kind of "street harassment" of women a criminal offense. So if you work up the courage to ask a woman out and she feels harassed by you, it could end in your imprisonment: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62442061

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

staring is harassment in britain.

[–]bottleblank 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't it fun how they essentially equate cat-calling to the murder of a woman by a serving police officer, by saying that event was the motivation behind looking at street harassment.

Those are very different things. One of them is a clumsy and oafish expression of admiration, albeit an unwanted one, and the other is being murdered.

[–]MarBitt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know enough about the law to judge what this will mean in practice. Plus, I haven't even read this prosecutor's guide. But if that would mean criminal prosecution of men who politely approach a woman and ask her out for coffee, then of course that is very bad.

[–]Ihatereeddiitt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy c*w, britain was always a meme but this is possibly the most lolworthy social policy this country has ever made.

[–]MAGA-Latino 3 points4 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

I bet a lot of them are, but I met some that are not. A Friend of mine calls himself a MGTOW. I think he does it because he's in school ATM and doesn't have the means to attract the kinds of girls he wants until he finishes school and levels up. He could get something right now, but he rather just wait then bang a fat ugly chick.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your friend. All the "good" women are taken. All that's left are undesirable women. Better level myself up first then take my shot at some younger women.

[–]MAGA-Latino 4 points5 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

As long as you understand that will make you a beta bucks and you're OK with that, then go for it.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I understand where you're coming from, but I think that's a weak way to view the world.

My world view is you deserve everything you get. AKA you're fully responsible for everything that happens to you.

I don't allow my wife to set the rules of engagement. I set them. Even with the risk of divorce rape, I told her, if she wants to leave, the door is open. I don't make no qualms about losing her, even when I have 2 kids with her. (I am married for 4 years).

But I also preform at my peak to show that I'm worth staying with. That's the burden of performance a man must endure. But I'm not giving away my money for nothing. I'm getting my money's worth and more.

[–]MAGA-Latino 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. I just know that all the girls that you could get now that you have money, someone else got them without needing money to do it. I just wouldn't be able to live with that. Especially after seeing how most of those guys are losers that were just lucky enough to be born a few inches taller.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All the good women aren't taken. That doesn't add up. Before the good women are taken they're single lol, and as people age new singles enter the dating market.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Better level myself up first then take my shot at some younger women.

We don't disagree. That's what I said right at the end.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

That's what exactly my brother is doing

[–]MAGA-Latino 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I guess looks must be super important to them that they'll trade loyalty for it. They basically just want a trophy wife.

To each his own. As long as they understand what they're getting into.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.What is wrong with it if they can afford to do it?Isn't that what most man want? My brother is focused more on attracting woman than finding trophy wife.He doesn't want marriage.

[–]MAGA-Latino 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

As I said as long as they understand it. Having a trophy wife is being a beta bucks. Even if they aren't married. Hey if you know you're being a beta bucks then you definitely shouldn't get married.

Hey if I found myself single then I would do the same thing because it would be too late to go for loyalty again. Then I might as well go for someone hot.

[–]IHateNormis 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I was sent my own way but I never identified with MGTOW. I knew it was a massive cope if I got into it. There are definitely genuine MGTOWs though but I wouldn’t be one

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

If you pay any attention at all to thier community, you'll understand almost immediately. You'll see posts like:

"Yep, I finally went MGTOW! I'm a virgin at 42 and never been on a single date. But after 42 years, I've finally decided to go my own way."

Dude, I'm sorry. But no. You got sent your own way. You cannot go your own way, if the other path was blocked off to you from the beginning.

[–]IrrungenWirrungen 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do they still have a sub?

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. But ironically a lot of the radfems get to keep thiers.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

no

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

"Yep, I finally went MGTOW! I'm a virgin at 42 and never been on a single date. But after 42 years, I've finally decided to go my own way."

Yes, all MGTOW are 42 year old virgins. LOL. You look like a fool here, someone who has not read any of MGTOW content.

Most MGTOW are formerly married and many have kids.

Again, you're talking out of your ass.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In fact, having so many incels mislabel themselves as MGTOW is doing guys like you a disservice. It really blurs the label and makes it hard to understand.

I think Incels and MGTOWS are 2 distinct ideologies. Even if some of thier ideas overlap.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then why do so many incels and Blackpilled people openly post on MGTOW forums? Because they are pretty much cousin ideologies. Which again, I don't see an issue with.

https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-lounge/61-of-us-women-say-16588/

https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-lounge/incels-women-life-and-mgtow-16630/

I think you're taking my post as an insult against you personally. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about incels who mislabel themselves as MGTOW.

I'm trying to tell these people to just be honest with themselves. That they didn't go thier own way, they got sent thier own way.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd wager a fair share of MGTOWs are normal men who aged out of their best options. I have a friend who fits this mold. He's in his 50s, can still pull women, but doesn't have much interest because they aren't as hot as they used to be.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree most MGTOWS ( especially those under 40) are simply guys who couldn't compete in the dating world and just gave up. The over 40 crowd is a little different, many of them are divorced and have went through terrible relationships so they resign themselves to being single for the rest of their days.

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's all about ego for them. A way to save face while being alone and unwanted. "Im not fired, you're fired!"

[–]Incellius_Maximus 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't it "you can't fire me, because I quit!"?

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Those undeniably exist but a huge portion of MGTOWS are guys actually dating. They just dont see the point to cohibatitate or put up with women. I am kinda on the edge of that. Living my best life doing my thing, succesful etc. But its not like i call myself a MGTOW its more like i have accepted that women are a certain way and i am better off focusing on myself. That might just be temporary for all i know but it could also turn out to be a permanent thing.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, that's another example of genuine MGTOW.

Men who are at least average looking and like sleeping with women, but refuse to cohabitate with them, or exert thier energy on maintaining a relationship.

Those aren't they guys I'm talking about. If you pay attention to MGTOW forums and subreddits, you know the ones I'm talking about.

They are really just incels in denial. And I'm not saying that to look down on these guys. I have sympathy for them, on the contrary. Just saying this factually.

In order to preserve some part of thier pride, they fool themselves into thinking dating was always an option for them and they're just "choosing" not to. And when you confront them with the truth, they throw a huge hissy fit.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say i am redpill aware, not even a true redpiller as in what people understand by the term. MGTOW, blackpill etc isnt even a n option for me. In my mind everything thats like redpill but called differently is just people in denial.

With that being said i dont see a point of even reading up those groups because i dont think there is anything to gain from it. I see it as a male version of radfems, fourthwave or FDS. Those ideologies have no value outside of bitching and whining.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a very succinct way of putting it, but very true.

[–]kokorwqac 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They wouldn't make it a movement şf they weren't incels

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW,Manosphere,black pill,whitepill,Sigma....

Wtf! Why isn't there just one single concept? I didn't even know what mgtow was.When I heard about it,I was like "in what way they are going".

But in purple pill debate,I know someone who is mgtow but he kinds of sound like redpill.

So,I don't much difference between mgtow and redpill in terms of what it stands for.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

many of those mgtows are basically just trying to play reverse psychology and beg women to come back in...their own (indirect) way. not that they'd admit it.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Found the projection.

Don't project it makes you look like you lack critical instrospection.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

i don't pretend to be mgtow. moot point.

take a hard look at channels like better bachelor and tell me if they belong to men who have gone their own way and put women behind

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

i don't pretend to be mgtow. moot point.

Not exactly. Men who are pussy addicted (read: 99% of men) can't relate to men who have broken free. To them, such a man is a pariah.

take a hard look at channels like better bachelor and tell me if they belong to men who have gone their own way and put women behind

Meh. Most of these guys are just new to it and are in the Red Pill rage stage.

After a while they'll be like me and spend pretty much zero time reading / watching MGTOW specific content and posting on MGTOW forums.

If not for the "pill debates" on reddit (which I simply enjoy) I wouldn't write or talk about it at all. Friends know for years now that if they "know a friend" I am not interested and they've stopped asking.

And any man who is not a Chad who doesn't chase is invisible.

The rest is history.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

well i wasnt describing you then, cheers

[–]TriggurWarning 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The truth is most incels have the capacity to fuck women, but they'd have to lower their standards so much it's not worth the effort. The only thing men are hypergamous about is looks, so it actually matters to not be a hambeast for a woman to attract a man (that's what drives the makeup/beautification industry). True involuntary celibacy is rare (literally trying and failing with hundreds or thousands of women). High rates of obesity, technology, poor health, and economic issues are causing mismatches in the sexual marketplace and disengagement.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

im not incel either tbh, i was hit on by an... older adult... who was my teacher in college but i just thought going anywhere with her was an all around shit idea

[–]TriggurWarning 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because it was a shit idea, unless you're literally a cold-hearted narcissist that can 'drop a bitch (plate)' at any moment without feeling or regret. Must be quite a ride to be such a degenerate.

[–]Ambassadior 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But wouldn't they just identify with incels?

I remember the MGTOW sub before it was banned and to me it appeared that it was

30% divorced older men

60% men who've dated and didn't like female nature. Breakups and trauma around women

10% incel spillover, they would even say as much.

You don't just walk away without being given a reason to. Even if a few women turn them down men are biologically programmed to keep trying because of instinctual motivation. The men of MGTOW seemed to have adapted away from women because the actual experience was harmful to their emotional wellbeing.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not MGTOW, it's MSTOW

[–]Accomplished_Eye_463 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see why you hate me. I would hate me to if I were you, because I am your superior in every sense of the word.

[–]Incellius_Maximus 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, MGTOW is cope.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw an apt description for MGTOW as “man got triggered over woman”

[–]EulenWatcher 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

It would be easier to believe that MGTOW men have gone their own way, if they actually did it. But from what I've seen on their subreddit, they don't, they mostly just complain about women.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

This largely doesn't make sense. It's pretty clear groups like MGTOW and FDS act as coping mechanism support groups to each respective gender, yet only one is bannable. A lot of MGTOW also rightfully point out the grotesque amount of gynocentrism in modern society. Funny how only one side is censored though.

[–]EulenWatcher -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

That wasn't the topic.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm addressing your claim that "they mostly just complain about women". It at least seems more logically consistent than FDS, where they're trying to actively date men in order to actively exploit them.

[–]EulenWatcher 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Still wasn't the topic.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

gonna give it to eulen here, thats not what she's addressing

[–]IrrungenWirrungen 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you know why they were banned?

[–]Liberated_Asexual 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gynocentrism

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

While i a gree reddit is not a very good represenatition of any groups. I mean the whole point is to gather around this internet adress to voice your opinions and exchange with others therefore it is here where you will find the most extreme opinions and people who likely dont have any strong views wont even express them here. You should take anything on reddit with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Truckload of salt

[–]EulenWatcher 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but there aren't any examples of the opposite.

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What would be the opposite?

[–]EulenWatcher 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I've meant "the opposite of what we see as MGTOW'. Men who do successfully go their own way generally don't need MGTOW to start with nor they identify themselves as such.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter if he left voluntarily or was SENT away, what matters is he's done with playing the game. A foreveralone/incel/reject who simps is still "useful" to women - free drinks, free favors, free repairs, gold digging, etc. IMHO, what makes a MGTOW is the decision to stop simping and falling for the scams.

[–]WOPR-19831 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, brother... but your ass got SENT your own way. These types of dudes were incels all along, but don't want to call themselves that because of the stigma behind the label.

Notch count over 50.

3 kids.

1 ex wife.

Went Red pill while I was married.

Went MGTOW after about four dates with women and realized I had no interested in their lives, listening to what they had so say, or reading the lists of the shit they wanted to buy and things they wanted to do. And the nail in the coffin, I didn't even want to have sex with them either.

Sorry, but you're talking out of your ass here.

Losers looking for people to shame is all MGTOW detractors are.

A man can walk away from the SMP voluntarily. I did, and many else have done it too.

Men have to chase. All a man has to do to opt out is NOT CHASE.

A man not chasing =/= sent home.

Now, a WOMAN (the pursued sex) who can't get the man she wants...

SHE is the one being "sent home".

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I literally said in my post I'm not talking about guys like you.

I'm talking about the guys who go:

"I'm 42 and never been on a single date. But after 4 decades of loneliness, I finally decided to go my own way and become MGTOW!"

Don't tell me you never seen dudes like this. They are so common that a lot of women on r/AskFeminists and r/FemaleDatingStrategy refer to MGTOWs as "incels in training".

Understand that men like you who are able to get married and have kids, then suddenly go MGTOW are not super common. From what I've seen from the MGTOW community, many are incels in denial.

And I'm just saying this in a matter of fact way, not to disparage them. I sympathize with these guys greatly because I really wasn't far from being one myself.

[–]Marzipan-Happy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know one. He was pretty successful dating wise? Popular, wealthy, but decided that he wanted to prioritize his own projects that were important to him to finish , so nah, he didn't get dumped, he just wants to accomplish his goals before he gets too old.

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well for men who are MGTOW, they would encourage you to believe this about them LOL

[–]TryLambda 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Buddy no wonder you got banned……incels are not MGTOW…. You are confused

[–]stormtrooper2930 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll never date again; getting laid is the only way not to get played. I'm not a loser either, 1% stats but I'm over these retarded bitches.

[–]Scooby-Doo14 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW was founded in 2004 by two MRAs named Ragnar and Meikyo. The reason was that feminism and the gynocentric state had turned marriage and subsequent divorce into a scam for men so an anti-marriage philosophy for men has become necessary. In the beginning it had nothing to do with Chads, Betas, and Incels. Of course, for an Incel this does not make sense since his only and most important goal in life is to get laid/his first girlfriend. A marriage option is something that he never had so it would fulfill all his dreams, right? Divorcerape? Doesn't matter for an Incel since he had his first girlfriend so his sense in life was fulfilled, right? They say only the top 20 percent of men can genuinely reject marriage. But this does not make sense either. Marriage was invented for Beta males so that they can buy access to pussy, too. Chads do not need marriage so rejecting it is unneccessary. Incels are so ugly that women would not even marry them for their money. What shall we conclude? In this gynocentric age an antimarriage Movement/Philosophy is still necessary for men and it will always be. If you are against marriage then you are a MGTOW regardless if you are alpha, beta, or omega.

[–]classicliberal1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Much anger I sense in you. Fear men going their own way do you. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

The fact is that almost half of men are mgtow and they have never even heard of the acronym. When you considered the stats overstate marriage rates due to skewing by the older generations, a majority of men below 30 are already mgtow and it's only going to increase.

The prior generations of men may have been own a "marriage strike", but the younger generations of men have simply walked away. Permanent singledom is now the norm. No amount of mgtow bashing is going to change that.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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