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My problem with sex positive women

November 7, 2022
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Before I go one I just want to say that I think sex should be seen as exclusively romantic by culture and that culture shouldn't seperate sex from love as it's doing now. I feel like sex positive women are a threat to this culture I grew up with and make a me feel like people like me are dinosaurs. From my interaction with sex positive people they don't seem to care and just pitty us. They were toxic and rude and often forget there is another human being on the other side of the screen with emotions, trauma, and pain. Instead of empathizing or understanding us they invalidate our fears as paranoia or crazy. Fears don't come from now where they come from our interaction and observations on the real world. Sure they can be wrong but trying to understand why we are wrong and helping us understand the correct answer will help both of us instead of belittling us. I just wanted to get my thoughts out since it's been causing me stress.

Don't get me wrong I am up for feminism and women liberation I just don't think women need casual sex to be happy or liberated. I don't want men and women divided or having sex like jaguars but rather united and bonded like wolf pack.

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Title My problem with sex positive women
Author grassknight76
Upvotes 9
Comments 79
Date November 7, 2022 8:33 AM UTC (3 weeks ago)
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[–]Best_Illustrator_137 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You gotta step back from your own world view on things and look at it objectively, and objectively it’s just the mating of to humans just like any other animal. I think it’s your own human interpretation to put so much weight on it but not everyone feels like that regardless of male or female..everyone’s got their own thing but I will say a lot of sex positive people like to be condensing or rude to people who don’t participate and that’s gotta go.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I respectfully disagree, humans aren't like most animals species and we shouldn't have to mimic their models because we aren't them. We shouldn't even have to mimic past human models because they lived with different conditions. All human behavior is shaped through culture and economic genetics don't have that strong influence on our behaviors. I reject genetic determinism because it's flawed and infact epigenetics replaces genetic determinism. The environment has bigger role than we like to believe. We are allowed and entitled to have opinions.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Most cultures which shape human behavior heavily favor male control of women. It isn’t in women’s best interests to return to traditional models.

A few days ago a father in Dubai allowed his daughter to drown rather than allow strange men to rescue her because touching her would have soiled her.

In this thread there is a man claiming that a woman is useless once her vagina has been penetrated by a penis. (Let’s not tell him about tampons). Any woman stuck with such a vile monster is risking her life and health.

My own grandmother remembers getting her first bank account at age 30 and had to visit four banks before finding one which would take her money, which spends in exactly the same way as men’s money.

There is zero benefit for women in returning to an oppressive Dark Ages for women.

[–]EviessVeralan 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think there's a middle ground between a culture of men and women using each other as objects of sexual gratification and "repeal the 19th".

[–]HinduProphet 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remove democracy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all traditional models are bad or opressive I don't see how viewing sex as exclusively romantic to be opressive in any way or compared to the drowning thing you mentioned. That's all I want is for sex to be seen as exclusively romantic. Men and Women can be equals without either having casual sex. The seperation of romance and sex isn't need like the seperation of church and state.

[–]HinduProphet 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything is not about women.

There are significant benefits for men to move away from the status quo, at least to the period between the 50s and 2000s.

It is progress that men have lesser benefits in society than their ancestors even if things have improved in other areas ? Whereas everything has improved for women.

[–]SilentFroggy 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Truth is, men who are obsessed with traditional culture are the ones who have a hard time getting desired for casual sex.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Uh there are a lot of married right wing evangelicals out there.

[–]SilentFroggy 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

men who are obsessed with traditional culture

Those are right wing evangelicals. It's not hard to understand. Lots of them are married.

[–]SilentFroggy 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I was specifically talking about the guys who want a virgin tradition wife. I don’t think these men are fully traditional.

[–]KirthWGersen 7 points8 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You are entitled to your opinion. And you can choose not to involve yourself with sex-positive women.

But understandably, they will avoid getting involved with you too.

Let everyone choose whatever they want, take responsibility for the consequences and enjoy the benefits.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

This such a liberal response to any sort of meaningful feedback. I think it is with in my right to call out people who are toxic. This what liberals don't understand choices don't exist in vaccum, they are shaped entirely by culture and economic factors rather than innate genetics alone. I talked to psychologist and they agreed with me that social conditions have a bigger impact on our behaviors and how we make decisions than people believe. I think it's worth exploring that in more detail

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

Being angry that your dating pool is restricted by your limiting beliefs isn’t a unique perspective. It’s the very same sentiment which drives men to seek red pill and conservative circles. Same sentiment which causes men to fear and hate women who aren’t virgins. Same sentiment which causes men to fear and hate women who wear revealing clothing or prefer to remain single. Same for men angry when the eyes discover that women, like men, have physical preferences like height, build, and hair.

 

Just like every other frustrated man who is struggling with dating, you are disappointed that the women you find physically appealing are socially and emotionally unavailable to you. Disinterested.

 

The reason men in this predicament waste months or years spinning their wheels is because they feel the solution to their frustration is to control women either by social shame, violence, or restricting their freedoms. If men would accept they limiting views and limiting experience means they must restrict their search to the same pool they came out of, they’d have a partner. Want a woman who is chaste and naive and inexperienced? She’s at church. Want a woman with no physical preferences? Date an unattractive woman without options.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Why is limiting the dating pool seen as a bad thing though. Women are allowed to have standards that limit their dating pool which isn't a bad thing. So is women wanting men to behave properly controlling and restrictive? How is seeing sex exclusively romantic restrictive at all I would argue it's liberation from alienation in my opinion. Plus I don't support any of the points you mentioned above you seem to be just strawmaning me so you can pown me.

[–]KirthWGersen 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My reply to your post did not propose limiting your dating pool as a bad thing for you.

You do you.

But the rest of us have other ideas. And they make us very happy.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

It isn’t an intentional straw man, your posts very much read as shaming and a call to return to the past.

If you accept a limiting dating pool and can find romance inside your pool, there is no problem.

[–]FastBananaViral 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are not “sex positive” they would be the first to tell a lonely guy “you are not entitled to sex”. They are hypocrites

[–]ElectricBugs 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I mean, many women like having casual sex. Just like many men like it.

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most men dont get to to enjoy casual sex. All men like casual sex in theory though, if it happens to them. But the thing with casual sex is that its almost always the Chad-types recieving it.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uhhhh casual sex culture is very bad for men who aren't Chads. And only 20% of you ever will be Chads.

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like were in agreement. In a hypothetical world were this wasn't the case with casual sex, men would love it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But the issue is that they are being toxic and unempathetic towards people who feel like they don't don't and feel like they are going extinct due to recent trends.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you rephrase this place? Who is going extinct?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People who view sex as inherently romantic activity

[–]rurunoa 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

how come theres no problem with sex positive men 💀

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are problems with them honestly just because I didn't mention them doesn't mean their absolved of problems. I focused on women because I interacted with them online more and wanted to point out their behaviors

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont think op made any sort of excuse for sex positive men

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thats pretty much all men. If we could have sex casually without effort or commitment we would love it.

[–]Wide_Result9679 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've known several men who didn't like casual sex and chose to only have it in serious relationships. There's also data indicating the divide between men and women on sociosexuality isn't as large as people like to claim. (High sociosexuality is promiscuity, low sociosexuality is being more selective with partners.)

"High-sociosexuality males make up a slightly larger proportion of the male distribution in each case, and low-sociosexuality females make up a slightly larger proportion of the female distributions."

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2014.0977

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you and science are right about the similarity in socisexuality (thanks for broadening my vocabulary). But lets be real, even for the men you mentioned, if blonde gigastacy offered herself any man with a healthy libido would do it.

[–]rurunoa 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

then where is the problem. everyone gets what they want

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like sex positive women. Unfortunately most of them don't like me back and want Chad instead. lmfao.

It is what it is man. Go MGTOW or go gay/transmaxx if looksmaxxing fails for you. I've tried leanmaxxing. And it got me some pussy as I had a Chad face underneath the fat on my face. But I'm still an autistic turbo manlet. I am currently gymmaxxing. If that doesn't work, I'm switching teams at this point. Fuck it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am just telling y'all my experience with sex positive women and the things I have noticed from them. Everyone deserves to be critisized

[–]Wide_Result9679 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people I know think it's normal to have casual sex sometimes while single, but to settle down into a monogamous relationship when you find the right match.

That's just one way of existing in the world. It's not right or wrong, but it is the modern prevalent attitude. I'm curious why you're focused on sex-positive women here; are sex-positive men not also part of the problem in making people like you feel alienated?

Here's the other thing - there are many, many horror stories of women who grew up in heavily Christian communities who were told to remain pure until marriage, but once they got married, they couldn't turn off the shame switch. A lot of those women had physical and psychological issues with sex with their husbands.

There was also an interesting study by the Institute for Family Studies that found the odds of marital happiness was highest for men and women who only had one lifetime sexual partner. But for men, the higher the number of partners, the lower the % of marital happiness; for women, the % didn't drop as much, and there more happy marriages among women with 11-21 partners than women with 2-3 partners.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness#:~:text=The%20lowest%20odds%20of%20marital,happy%20marriages%20at%2057%20percent.

One theory is women who only had 1 or 2 partners before they married tend to wonder if they could be having better sex with other men than their partner, while women with a lot of partners don't make that comparison because they've had enough partners to realize that isn't true. I agree as a woman who was promiscuous in my 20s; I'm happily partnered now and know there's no such thing as being 100% sexually compatible with someone.

There's also a thing called sociosexual orientation: some people lean more promiscuous, and some people lean more selective. I've known women & men who simply don't enjoy casual sex; that's 100% okay, and honestly not as rare as people think.

People who are more selective should date each other, imo. My partner and I both had a lot of partners before each other, so it doesn't bother either of us. And for me, yes, casual sex made me happy. Having (safe) sex in general has a lot of positive health benefits.

https://www.ohsu.edu/womens-health/benefits-healthy-sex-life#:~:text=Studies%20have%20shown%20that%20sex,Lower%20blood%20pressure

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people I know think it's normal to have casual sex sometimes while single, but to settle down into a monogamous relationship when you find the right match

That is hook up culture right here telling young folks to have casual sex and settle down later. Why do we have to accept this narrative why not critique and understand it in social context. Feminist are allowed to critique the nuclear family narrative so we should critique the hook up culture narrative.

That's just one way of existing in the world. It's not right or wrong, but it is the modern prevalent attitude. I'm curious why you're focused on sex-positive women here; are sex-positive men not also part of the problem in making people like you feel alienated?

The problem is it's becoming hegemonic way of living the world. The issue with you sex positive folks is that you assume the market place of mating is a free market but in reality it really isn't and infact there is a new monopoly being formed called hook up culture. The issue with hook up culture is that is sending troubling messages to kids creating this self fulfilling prophecy in which kids believe they are incapable of love and they need to experiment with casual sex before they can love. I focused on sex positive women because I have mostly interacted with them like you and not really men that much. But you are correct I should have included them too. See how I just accepted critism and engaged with what I wrote instead of parroting "it's muh right to exclude"

Here's the other thing - there are many, many horror stories of women who grew up in heavily Christian communities who were told to remain pure until marriage, but once they got married, they couldn't turn off the shame switch. A lot of those women had physical and psychological issues with sex with their husbands.

I met some Christian women online that said they saved it until marriage and didn't regret and that their church didn't shame them into it all they did was teach women sex is romantic and that's it. I am not invalidating the experiences of women who were shamed by the church but pointing out that churches don't need to shame women or men about their sexuality to get them to value sex as exclusively romantic.

There was also an interesting study by the Institute for Family Studies that found the odds of marital happiness was highest for men and women who only had one lifetime sexual partner. But for men, the higher the number of partners, the lower the % of marital happiness; for women, the % didn't drop as much, and there more happy marriages among women with 11-21 partners than women with 2-3 partners.

These marriages right don't exist in vaccum and in actuality exist in capitalism and patriarchal norms. So those forces are responsible for unsatisfying marriages rather than marriage alone.

I don't have evidence but I do believe that these women who feel like they should have experimented when they were younger or missing better sex have been affected by consumerist mindset of the grass is always greener and fomo. I don't think capitalism created these pressures but they just amplify them. I noticed that I am older I am always discontent with my products as I wonder if others are better than what I have. Like my I would be upset that my headsets lacked any features from expensive model but ignore I saved money. The other aspect is that we give our thoughts too much power. I have OCD and my therapist said that our thoughts don't define who we are and we shouldn't let them control or ruin our lives

[–]EulenWatcher 1 point2 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

I’m not sure what you want from people. Do you want them to emphasize with you? Well, having preferences that disqualify most people sucks, I can relate to it personally. But I didn’t demand people to accommodate me. If you want people to change their behavior to suit your preferences, that’s just unrealistic.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

The American revolutionaries took actio. To change society to meet their needs. It's what we humans do

[–]EulenWatcher 1 point2 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

The issue with social changes is that they usually take more time than one’s lifetime lasts. You push for changes for next generations and you need enough people sharing your views. Pushing for it right now probably won’t find you a gf.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I don't care about getting a gf I cope with trauma and bad stuff in my life by daydreaming of a better future. Climate Change Anxiety ruining my day, bam day dream about solar punk and all the cool new ways we can live in an eco friendly world. Being single forever bam daydream of world future when someone like me gets a gf. I don't care about this generation I want future generation to have it better and I want romance to be free for kids and the youth to enjoy. I want them to believe they are capable of serious love at young age, that it's ok to make mistakes and break and learn from those experience and try again. I just want the possibility for a better future to exist

[–]EulenWatcher 1 point2 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Daydreaming won’t solve your issues either nor it will change things for the future generations.

[–]I_Am_Health 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any sources for crimate change?

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex positivism is just a cope mechanism for women who can't get love from Chad, but still gets sex for him. They warp their mind and pretend like thats what they wanted all along anyways. Its more innocent than it seems, but it does indeed cause suffering in the end, as all delusions do.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

all due respect to sex positive folks on this sub their way of life seems to be a lot more costly for themselves and those around them and honestly id like if high sociosexual people remained honest about their activities with any future potential partners

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it's more so that they are toxic and defect any sort of critism they receive. They are very dismissive of people who disagree with them and label us puritians without understanding what we are actually saying.

[–]Wide_Result9679 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm a woman who's had a lot of partners and I've always been honest about it with men I've dated. I'm now happily partnered and my boyfriend, who's also had a lot of partners, could not care less. He said once it baffles him how many men don't get that women in their 20s have endless sexual options.

He had his fun; I had mine. And it wasn't "costly" for me to have sex. There are many health benefits to sex and my casual relationships typically still featured dates, having fun with another person, etc. Great way to spend one's 20s when you're aware you're not ready to settle down yet or haven't met a compatible long-term match.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are many health benefits to sex

yeah well normies keep telling me otherwise when i point that out

[–]Bandit174 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He said once it baffles him how many men don't get that women in their 20s have endless sexual options.

I don't think anyone doesn't realize that but realizing it doesn't make guys suddenly happy about it.

Women have far more opportunities to have sex and can be more picky meaning if you're an average or worse guy you aren't able to explore your sexuality to the same extent as your female equivalent is and you're probably a notable downgrade on terms of physical traits compared to the caliber of men she was able to get for casual sex.

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

90% of women can't separate sex from love anyways. They are just backpedaling after getting pump & dumped.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Let's say they are backpedaling after getting pump and dumped wouldn't the mature thing to do is understand it's not for them and find better men out there and communicate their distress. I don't see the point in pumping and dumping back as retaliation.

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they don't want to downgrade from the guys they've been fucking

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.Once woman did casual sex,her value goes from 100 to -1 and become useless creature.

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say useless lol

A lot of women do it once and then realize it's not for them (ie most women)

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they do it once and get their value lost,so they become useless especially after reaching 30 with loose vagina.Who the hell will want them?

[–]Bandit174 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Most have casual sex and have plenty of options for relationships and marriage.

Also you can always just blame your loose vagina on the guy and say he just has a small dick and you'll win that argument 8/10 times.

[–]Wide_Result9679 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Vaginas don't loosen up when a woman hits 30. 🤣

Age-related changes don't start until 45-50 or so and the vagina gets smaller.

"With age the vagina becomes less elastic, shorter and narrower as the tissue constricts due to the lack of estrogen. The vaginal opening also becomes smaller."

https://www.gynae-centre.co.uk/blog/what-happens-to-your-vagina-as-you-age/

[–]Wide_Result9679 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oof. Men believe this to the point it's painful.

[–]SmarmyPapsmears 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oof I've been with enough women to know it's true

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Let me tell you,

Women who say they are sex positive,they are just trying to be like man and trying to deny their biology.They are just jealous of man.

Sex is built for man.Women are not allowed to enjoy it.I also have desire for casual sex but I do know I will get punished for it and will have more consequences even if I did simple mistake and men will hate me which is my worst fear.Women don't like this truth.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I respectfully disagree I think gender norms are socially constructed and if men were socialized the same way they couldn't handle casual sex just like women. We are social animals and we form strong bonds. There is evidence that even men produce oxytocin and other neurochemicals that activates during positive socialization with other humans. We are more alike than different.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you woman?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's me the Tamil dude

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Man, again your account got banned?

[–]Wide_Result9679 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

100% agreed. I slept around in my 20s and now warn younger women: men. have. feelings.

Guys can get attached from sex just like women. And sadly, since women are told men just want casual sex, women don't know how to handle it when a guy gets attached from casual sex.

[–]Wide_Result9679 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've had a lot of casual sex partners and most men I've dated haven't cared. I now happily live with my boyfriend and he certainly doesn't hate me; he slept around while single too.

Maybe we live in different places; I'm in a big city and most people think it's normal to sleep around at least a bit before settling down. Hell, my friend who's getting married to her partner of 5 years started that relationship by texting him "you up?" one night after they'd hung out after work a few times (they were co-workers).

Also, this study shows the sexual double standard is dying.

https://www.psypost.org/2016/12/study-finds-number-past-sexual-partners-large-effect-attractiveness-46594

It makes me deeply sad you think sex is built for men. The main thing I learned from sleeping around is men get attached from sex and get their feelings hurt too. I slept around less once I realized that and wish someone had told me.

The sociosexual orientation for men and women has more overlap than people realize. There are slightly more men with high sociosexual orientation (inclined to many partners) and slightly more women with low sociosexual orientation (inclined to few partners).

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I said woman is more likely to get attached.Of course men do but they can already move on.

Cool.Have fun

[–]debatelord_1 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most men realize how much sexual opportunities women in their 20s have. It's just that the guys don't have that. So you end up with an imbalance of sexually experienced women and inexperienced men and the guys feel a) envious cause they don't have the same opportunities and b) insecure because most women don't want to deal with less experienced men.

[–]Lost-Zebra6453 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are so wrong it’s really sad if you truly believe this. So many women myself included LOVE sex it feels amazing. I’ve had lots of casual sex and so has my prtner before we met eachother and we now are happily coupled with a baby and a beautiful life

He’s attractive, tall, successful and so am I. Neither of us have ever had a lack of options

I think you have a warped sense of what most women experience.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Tell us you’ve never given a woman an orgasm without telling us you’ve never given a woman an orgasm.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Um...I am not lesbian

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (21 children) | Copy Link

I doubt they pity old fashioned people, it’s more likely they just don’t notice them.

 

I feel like sex positive women are a threat to this culture I grew up

If they culture you grew up with is ruled by a Judeo-Christian religion, sexually active women and men are a threat to the institution which relies on shame to control sexual urges. When the church was young it was the cult, the outlier with few members in the midst of thousands of pagan traditions.

 

Proselytizing isn’t a very effective method of growing the church, but adding membership via birth works pretty well. Encouraging couples to produce dozens of children, discouraging women from having control of money and pairing up single men with literal female children ensured the baby factory continues. The tradition historically benefitted men while utilizing women as livestock with no life outside the home and no chance of escape.

 

Men are angry because they are no longer guaranteed a sex partner and housekeeper. Those men could easily join any of the churches, synagogues, or mosques which still thrive and choose a woman from within the ranks there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

That's not the kind of old fashioned people I am referring to exactly. I didn't grew up like that honestly. I just meant seeing sex as exclusively romantic.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link

Did you grow up with no media? Jehovah’s Witnesses or something similar?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I grew up with cartoons and wholesome stuff I usually stayed away from love action shows. I am Hindu by the way and was never really taught about it by my parents. All my values have to come from media and my personal experiences

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link

Light kissing and hugging feels romantic. But sex which results in ejaculation and a female orgasm is quite a bit wilder and more animalistic. Frenzied. Exciting. Wild.

It is almost impossible to reach orgasm while caressing and touching one another lightly and in a chaste and gentle manner.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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