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Online Dating is so rigged against men in 2022 that I am contemplating gaymaxxing. The asking price for women is too high. There are lots of conventionally attractive gay/bi guys out there who have hit me up on Grindr.

November 6, 2022

I'm a fit dude with a handsome face. Six-pack abs. I'm in the gym regularly lifting. I've put on some muscle recently and I'm in the process of bulking more. Though I am 5'6" (height failo) 135 lbs (size failo. I was 127-128 lbs in late September though). I look young for my age (late 30s). I hooked up with 3 women within the span of a couple months. But you have any idea how much effort I had to put in to get there? 1 of those 3 women were trans, another was a CD. The last one was cis. Even passing transwomen/CDs have sky-high standards now. The vast majority of them don't reply to my messages.

Meanwhile I have pretty bottoms/vers bottom men on Grindr begging to suck my dick and fuck them up the ass. Chasing me. Even though they know I'm "straight" as I'm only on there to meet transgirls. Women have over-inflated egos because of all the simps sliding in their DMs. Male thirst is far stronger than female thirst overall. Women only thirst for Chad and beta bux. And I'm too short and too scrawny to be a full Chad. But I'd still consider myself a Manlet Chad or at least a Manlet Chadlite. I shouldn't be starving out on these streets. All the fat, obese, skinnyfat reddit soyboys who claim to be getting laid without betabuxxing are liars. Reddit is full of incels in denial. I tried posting this on an online dating sub and it got auto-deleted by the auto-mod even though my comments aren't banned there. They must have shadow banned my posts.

But on Grindr, pretty boy twinks like me are chased after relentlessly even though I'm a top boy. I am too pretty for prison. If I was a bottom, have mercy on me. I even got hit on by a dude from my gym on Grindr who recognized me IRL. When I put in work at the gym, it's mostly men who notice and compliment me. Not women. Women just sit on their ass and eat bon bons and don't put in work to improve themselves because thirsty ass simps slide in their DMs anyways. It's almost all men at my gym putting in work. Very few women. And men appreciate seeing other men work hard in the gym and with diet. At this point, I'm thinking about switching teams, fuck it. This is bullshit.

Even transwomen, they hook up with me a couple and few times. And then I guess they get bored when the shiny new toy factor wears off and then slow fade and ghost me. It sucks. Because of all the Chads and sugar daddies sliding in their DMs. All these unlimited options with online dating. They treat us as disposable JPEGs. I actually caught feelings for a transwoman on HRT back in September that messaged me on Grindr, we met up the same night and hooked up. She wanted to be ongoing FWBs. She was all over me in the beginning. Telling me that I was hot, sexy, cute. Worshipping me. She made me feel like a Chad. And then we hooked up 4 more times after that.

She creeped my profile a few days ago on Grindr, two weeks after I last tried to reach out to her and left me on read on Whatsapp. Not sure what that was about. And I noticed on the day she last left me on read, she posted a cryptic post on IG with a hashtag of #hopelessromantic. I don't know if she posted that before or after I hit her up that day. But it was on the same day. Don't know why she doesn't block me and she creeps my profile when she ghosted me. That was the first time I sucked a dick ffs. That's like a woman blowing Chad and then getting ghosted. That's how I feel. I liked her but I guess I was nothing to her.

Just another cock in the cock carousel to her. Just a toy that she got bored with. On to the next hot guy right? Even though she told me verbally that she cared about me. She was texting me every day. Initiating almost all conversations. She blurred the lines past FWB (which is what she initially wanted and I did too) into romance. She asked me to take her out to dinner and I agreed. She let me treat her to things instead of offering to pay. On our third date I actually had an anxiety attack and she held my hand, kissed and cuddled me. And told me that mental health is important and she was supportive of the fact that I have an anxiety disorder. She has been candid about mental health issues of her own and is an advocate for mental health awareness on her IG.

I spent the night with her the third date and kissed and cuddled with her almost all night. I stayed the night and slept over. She told me that she was mine and that I was hers. I thought she became my girlfriend ffs. She talked about how romantic that night was. She talked about all the activities she wanted to do with me in the future. I'm fucking done with this shit. Tired of getting emotions involved and getting burned. Women are too over-priced by the sexual marketplace.

There's all these hot, pretty men who want me on Grindr. At this point, fuck it, might as well get my dick sucked by a pretty Asian man at this point. The transgirls who liked me (at least briefly) were Asian as well. It seems like they slant towards the feminine.

The pretty Asian guys who like me are prettier and more conventionally attractive than a lot of the women who reject me ffs! Women have their heads inflated by all the male thirst for the feminine out there.

Pussy is not that amazing. It feels good in the moment and then you pop. And then a day later I forget what pussy even feels like. I last fucked some pussy (so a ciswoman this time) last Sunday in the early am and I already forgot what it feels like. What do I got to show for that other than proving to myself that I'm not an incel and get more pussy than the average incel in denial on inceltear and the online dating subs? The woman I hooked up with was a bitch too. I didn't like her as a human being. She was mean to me. Transactional. Demanding, over-bearing, controlling, bossy. She's just a human fleshlight to me.

She wasn't sweet and loving to me. Yet she had the audacity to tell me I used her for sex. Well guess what? She used me for money, having me to pay for her shit on dates. She dumped me because I told her that I didn't like the fact that she had expensive tastes in restaurants and was having me blow all this money on her tab. I told her that I wanted to go Dutch going forward. She agreed a couple times and then told me that I gotta start paying for her again or bye bye.

Gay/bi men don't have to pay for each other, they can go dutch. Gay/bi men at least make me feel appreciated when they flirt with me and chase me. Women think they are hot shit because men are so thirsty for women in 2022. It's time that we men form a union and stop simping for women. We need a gay brotherhood or some shit until women lower their demands.

A part of me is still a hopeless romantic. When I hit it off with the Asian transgirl, I thought, "hey maybe this is the right fit for me because she used to be a man so maybe she understands me." And I started feeling hope and being romantic and shit. But now I'm just full-on black pill and have lost hope of finding love again.

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Title Online Dating is so rigged against men in 2022 that I am contemplating gaymaxxing. The asking price for women is too high. There are lots of conventionally attractive gay/bi guys out there who have hit me up on Grindr.
Author alienamongnormies
Upvotes 3
Comments 32
Date November 6, 2022 9:23 PM UTC (3 weeks ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AllPillDebate/online-dating-is-so-rigged-against-men-in-2022.1139479
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[–]SmarmyPapsmears 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


on Grindr


[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hence why I said "straight". lol.

I had a discussion about this with the transwoman I had a fling with after we first hooked up. I told her that being attracted to transwomen probably makes me at least mildly bi but I don't give a shit and don't care for labels. But she insisted that being attracted to her made me straight and that I wasn't bi. It's actually not woke for me to self-identify as bisexual for liking transgirls. You can get cancelled for that in 2022.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dear God. I'm gonna need chemo after reading that.

[–]FightMeCthullu 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I genuinely thought i was lucid dreaming when I started reading this post and then was disappointed when I realised - no, I’m awake, and this is real.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So true, man I am having a laughing fit, you hit the nail right on the head.

[–]FightMeCthullu 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I showed this to my fiancée and his first reaction was ‘my eyes. Are they bleeding? I feel like they should be bleeding.’

[–]rurunoa 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link


[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hope you're not offended by my comment on this thread...

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

nah i agree with you

[–]platinirismsBlackPill 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Straight men don’t make Grindr accounts then contemplate sleeping with men (or trans women).

Just turn into a bisexual already and stop trying to convince yourself why you want trans women to suck your dick behind some facade that it’s actually women fault that you’re turning bisexual.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women are my preference. It's their high standards that are pushing me towards bisexuality (though I did sleep with a ciswoman after I slept with that transwoman on hormones. So I am not completely incel to ciswomen even after I went for transgirls). But I get lucky so infrequently so either I just take the cold streaks like most incels do or expand my field so to speak.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a guy that dated a bi obese girl and decided to try being bi, ya its amazing. But be warned, once you are treated as a hot girl as a gay guy on grindr, you will never view low effort women the same.

Truthfully the best dates ive had was with men!

[–]debatelord_1 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Based shizo rambling.

Also, wtf are you even complaining about. You're literally getting laid despite being a complete turbo manlet.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, wtf are you even complaining about. You're literally getting laid despite being a complete turbo manlet.

Yeah I fucked a woman a few times this past month. But it's not like I am enjoying that pussy now. It's not like the memory of feeling that pussy stays with me. I don't retain memories of how something feels. Maybe that's just me? I do have memories of her talking about how my thick white cock feels so good (she's Korean) and her making references to her yellow pussy. lol. So yeah I have memories of validation. Fleeting temporary memories of feeling like a Chad. That's not nothing. But it's not like sticking your dick in a pussy is going to solve loneliness or depression long-term. Right now I am in a basement shitposting on the internet. Waiting for Persona 5 Royal Steelbook Launch Edition to arrive from Amazon Prime later this week like I'm some sort of LDAR rotter. I'm living the same lifestyle as any incel here right now at this very moment.

All that matters is the present moment. It could take weeks, probably months, maybe even years before I get laid again. I had a dry spell of nearly 2 years not that long ago. Granted I gave up and didn't put in much effort at the time. The Oppression Olympics Crab Mentality aspect of the incel community is one of the more toxic elements of incels. I've been shitposting on PSL forums for nearly a decade. And it was these forums that predated and gave birth to the incel forums. I may not be incel and haven't been incel for over a decade but I wouldn't consider myself a happy person.

And yeah I am a turbo manlet. But you haven't seen my face. That would explain everything. My height is a huge failo. As is my autism and anxiety issues. But having a handsome face can get your foot in the door to some extent. The hard part is keeping a woman's interest for me.

[–]debatelord_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unironically, maybe go out and suck some dick or get yourself some bussy off Grindr. Take the bussypill.

Maybe the guys will treat you better.

[–]SolidPuzzleheaded984 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link


How is it rigged against you?

Not sure what you were expecting as you are a small framed 5’6 guy in 2022.

This is the problem, most men think they are the shit and expect women to line up to fk.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Height and frame does hurt my options but it is not everything. You haven't seen my face. I have six-pack abs and a high muscle mass % for my weight. Most men are sedentary fat asses or skinnyfat. Height and frame is a huge help if you are handsome and fit. But Height and frame can't save you if you have an ugly face and are skinnyfat/fat.

You talk about 6' KPOP Chang's in your post history. Yeah sure those guys mog me to hell and back. Those guys also make up a small minority of Korean men. My 43 year old Korean ex with a belly who dumped me last week can't attract guys like that bro. Women all want the tall hot guys. But they are a minority and there's only so many of them to go around. Do you really think the average height average faced 5'9" reddit cuckold who is skinnyfat/fat and sedentary would beat me in SMV just for being taller and bigger? No. My lifts at 127 lbs were way heavier than they were when I was a sedentary 168 lb fat ass. I would KO the average inceltear poster in a fight very easily. Especially after I went up to 135 in my recent bulk.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

This is why i say asian women are actually lower smv than white women , these are the types of men they get

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why do white women like you keep thinking they are hot shit? Some of us have an actual preference for East Asian women. I'm not saying East Asian women are objectively more attractive. That's just my personal preference.

And when you say these types of men, what's that supposed to mean? Is it because I'm bisexual? A lot of ciswomen are low key homophobic TERFs. Even the woke liberal ones. Women are one way publicly but another way privately.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

i'm not white bro

it's because you are... just read your post it's not coming normal to anyone

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you one of those ethnik women who are self-conscious about your race and feel inferior to white women? I see this so often...

I swipe left on plain jane white girls. And hot Instamaxxed white girls with lip fillers. White women are over-rated. I'm sexually attracted to some white women. But I do feel they are over-priced by the dating market.

Also just because I am black pilled about female nature doesn't mean I have to deny my sexuality (in this case, my attraction to Asian transwomen). I'm aware there is a lot of homophobia and transphobia within the incel community. Even though a lot of incels have actually transitioned MTF or have slept with transwomen. There is an incel to trans pipeline (though personally I don't see the point in me transitioning to becoming a woman to get dick. Because I'm a handsome pretty boy twink that can get dick off Grindr just fine if I so chose). I hate how a lot of incel communities have banned homosexual and transsexual discussion. Keeping all of that in the closet. I don't think this shit should be in the closet.

If someone is an incel man and bisexual, if your dick actually gets hard making out with transwomen like I have or you get hard making out with another cis man, why deny that to yourself? Sex has become completely about validation to incels rather than pleasure. That's a toxic mentality. A lot of incels in the closet would actually benefit from embracing their sexuality instead of repressing it just because incel communities typically frown upon homosexuality and transsexuality. Not everyone in the LGBT is woke. You can like transwomen and men and not be woke.

[–]kokorwqac 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

no you're just a weirdo fetishist

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Asian women can get all sorts of white guys. I'm not saying Asian women are higher or lower SMV, but I get much more reciprocation from Asian women which makes me put in more effort for them.

The thing is my area is like 90% white chicks

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

they usually get the leftover mediocre non-asian dudes,like the guy in that topic

above average asian dudes also have high beauty standards, so they go for stacy asian girls too.

again, you also sound like a leftover who white girls don't like, which proves asian girls have lower smv again. i've never seen a high status dude go specifically for asian as his type(might ve still iked them, that is different from having a type.)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, I go for attractive women who reciprocate. I don't have a type for Asian women or Latina women or white women. I hit on attractive women and see who reciprocates and vet further from there.

Asian women dont always pair with fetishists. Some asians are fine with mediocre as are most guys. Everyone wins. Nothing to do with SMV and everything to do with being realistic about relationships

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i don't mean just fetishism, some dudes want attractive white women or just white women overall, but white girls have higher standards than asian girls so they ''settle'' with asian women.

i say this because i've seen copers here say asian girls have higher SMV or are liked more than white girls, not admitting that asian was the only choice many guys have.

[–]FightMeCthullu 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know where to begin, but my guy, um, if you think men are hot, and you would fuck one, and enjoy it, I’m not sure if you’re completely straight. Which is fine!

Your misogyny however is not cute, and is probably you’re not having much luck with women. Just a thought

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your misogyny however is not cute, and is probably you’re not having much luck with women. Just a thought

Again with the blue pilled Just World Fallacy. Assuming that if someone doesn't have much success with dating it must be because they are a bad person. The vast majority of the world's wealth is concentrated in the hands of the wealthiest 1%. Are the wealthiest 1% of people morally good and are the poor morally bad? Checkmate liberal.

[–]FightMeCthullu 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

? I didn’t mention wealth?

I’m just saying if the women you were sleeping with picked up at all on the fact that you don’t seem to actually like women as people (I say this based on the vile stuff you said) chances are they’d be pretty skeeved out.

I dunno what to tell you here. You clearly despise women. You don’t seem to regard them with any respect at all. Your resentment might be sabotaging you in the long run.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m just saying if the women you were sleeping with picked up at all on the fact that you don’t seem to actually like women as people (I say this based on the vile stuff you said) chances are they’d be pretty skeeved out.

I dunno what to tell you here. You clearly despise women. You don’t seem to regard them with any respect at all. Your resentment might be sabotaging you in the long run.

Considering how much women use men as human ATMs expecting them to pay for their tab on dates, including my ex-girlfriend who dumped me because I told her that I wanted us to go Dutch going forward because I want an equal partnership and that I feel that she's not giving me 50-50 in the relationship and that I'm giving more than she is in the relationship and she's taking more, is my resentment towards women not justified? Women treat men like shit. So they should expect to be hated.

[–]FightMeCthullu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I could reiterate the old idea that women aren’t a monolith and the idea that the entire gender group are somehow evil and out to get men is short sighted but I feel like you wouldn’t accept that as a possibility.

[–]social_mule 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're already gay. You might as well make it official by packing some fudge.

Happy trails.

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