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[Question For Women:] What would you do if you had a short and ugly son?

August 1, 2022
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I'm genuinely curious, it seems a lot of women on r/PurplePillDebate either deny the Redpill/Blackpill, or if the facts are too much to deny they just resort to mocking and belittling people who believe in these things.

But what would happen if you gave birth to a son who turned out to be 5'2", had an absolutely hideous face, acne and acne scarring, and a weak chin? Would you still honestly believe he had a chance in life to find romantic fulfillment? Would you tell him the truth? Lie to him? Lie to YOURSELF?

This has been something I've always been eager to hear from the women who post on PPD. What if your own flesh and blood, your own baby boy, turned out to be one of the short hideous incels you hate so much? What would you do then?

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Title [Question For Women:] What would you do if you had a short and ugly son?
Author Antisocial_Nihilist
Upvotes 16
Comments 41
Date August 1, 2022 11:42 AM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]Glad-Discount-4761 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

First please note I am not good in english

This is hard question.

But what would happen if you gave birth to a son who turned out to be 5'2", had an absolutely hideous face, acne and acne scarring, and a weak chin?

About face and acne issues,I would already force him to skincare as I have a lot of info about it. Men skin heals faster than women.Save money for surgery if required.I would also get him into mewing lol.

Would you still honestly believe he had a chance in life to find romantic fulfillment? Would you tell him the truth? Lie to him? Lie to YOURSELF?

First I will honestly tell him truth about female and her height preference if he asks about it. I may believe he would find girl.I will probably try to find shorter woman for him lol.At same time,I would teach him about masculinity,force him to go gym and mostly I will always tell him to focus on finance as number priority.Thats it.

If he starts feeling suicidal,I will open up to him and make him nice tasty food or will ask him to go to nice restaurant. "If you are depressed or suicidal,eat nice foods".That's my motto lol. Now I am not gonna be like" hey everything will be okay"I would share my feelings about suicidal thoughts and how I also someday wanted to die.That would leads to meaningful conversation.He will definitely feel good to let it out

Rest depends on him.Even as parent,you can't fully control your child's fate.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for your answer! It's good to hear honesty.

There are things you could do to help him feel better about the situation, but I agree with you. You cannot really control your offspring's fate in life.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are things you could do to help him feel better about the situation

Can you tell like what other things that would help him?

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

By basically just being a good parent and giving him all the emotional support you can. What else is there to do?

If you really feel like being honest with him about what women's preferences are, he will end up quite sad. But in the long run I feel that would be for the best for a young man like this. Because he will come to the conclusion sooner rather than later that the best thing he can do from here: is work on himself.

Find productive hobbies, plan to get a college degree, work hard and find a good career. Get him used to the idea that he'll be leading a solo ranger lifestyle. That he can still accomplish things even if he is permanently single.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is similar to mine.

If you really feel like being honest with him about what women's preferences are, he will end up quite sad.

There are some things my parents have been brutally honest to me.So it kind of helped me as it is better to know uncomfortable truth than to be comforted by comfortable lie

[–]BoogersAndSugar 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that would be for the best for a young man like this. Because he will come to the conclusion sooner rather than later

This, 100%. Learning the truth at a much younger age would've spared me a LOT of frustration and pain - not knowing WHY I was constantly rejected, trying every self-improvement trope under the sun and getting nowhere despite years of dedicated effort, being duped into thinking there was something I was "doing" or "saying" wrong, etc, etc. Better to just rip the bandaid off and learn the truth early on.

[–]catniagara 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair I was a fat “ugly” kid that couldn’t get a BF until I grew 10” and got skinny in like 11th grade and it had no lasting impact.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

focus on finance as number priority.

While I'm impressed with most of this post, the quoted part concerns me a bit. Ugly guys using money to "attract" women is a baaaaaaaad idea! Better he remain single for life than be with someone who can only "love" him for that.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

bit. Ugly guys using money to "attract" women is a baaaaaaaad idea

No it is not.

By the way I mean " keeping finance as your number one priority" not only for women but for career .Money helps for other things and gives you more choice for lifestyle.

[–]Bynum458 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

As a short ugly guy. We have one option and one option only. Get SWOLL and rich and funny as you can. A nice bod and a good hunk of change can go a long way.

[–]IrrungenWirrungen 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

How short are you?

[–]Bynum458 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

5,8 I’m definitely below average on the scale of attractiveness but I bust my ass to put going as I can and I got to make sure not to gain weight because 5 lbs look way worse on short guy than a tall guy.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

By the way the worlds average height for a male is 5'6" and a female 5'2". You arent even short, just societally washed which isnt your fault.

[–]Bynum458 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Avg high for American is 5,10 most of my friends are 6 foot and some change ….

[–]Liberated_Asexual 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

5'8" isn't really short enough to bitch about height in my opinion. Like it's definitely a disadvantage relative to some dude who's 6' tall, but you're still a good bit taller than the vast majority of women. There's likely something else you're doing/having wrong in conjunction with your height that's more important.

[–]IrrungenWirrungen 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Don’t sweat it, you’d be perfect height for me! ✌️

Actually you even could be a tad bit shorter.

[–]Bynum458 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How tall are you?

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can fix your facial flaws to a large degree though. You just have to identify what is off about your face and then work to fix them through either non surgical and natural methods or surgical methods once you save up enough money.

[–]Bynum458 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like my face 🤣

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay my bad lol. You said you were a short ugly guy so I was just pointing out different options

[–]sexiterrorist 3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I would teach him to lower his standards. Vast majority of the problems now with people is that they won’t go for people within their league.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm a 5'4 indian and I literally got rejected by the ugliest girl in my high school
Men's standards isn't the issue, Everywhere I go in public it's always guys who are like a 7 and his girl is like a 3.

[–]sexiterrorist 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

you’re 5’4 and indian so you’re prob ugly. and everywhere i go it’s women with less attractive men….. you’re blatantly lying here. I see attractive women with obese men

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, Woman have so high standard that even land whales are pulling chads, it's quite disheartening to see

[–]sexiterrorist 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Where are the landwhales pulling chads? I want to see them. Meanwhile i see 6/10 women with men who look like Quasimodo

[–]Liberated_Asexual 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women's attraction is based on deception with makeup and Instagram/Snapchat filters (not to mention deliberate angling and lighting).

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

U/masonsub4

I dont want to get in a debate with both of you, but I think you guys are both right.

U/sexiterrorist is probably over 30 U/masonsub4 is probably under 20

Over 30, women who are still physically attractive, can't get a Chad, so they have to settle for less.

Under 20, women that are ugly can still bang Chad.

You both see the world differently because you both are of different age.

[–]sexiterrorist 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I’m 20 lol. and i’m ugly and can’t get “chad” dumbass, i can’t even get a normie male

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Well, that's interesting. Your point of view flies in the face of hypergamy. Young women typically have more value, so my only guess would be the ugly men they are dating are sugar daddies.

[–]sexiterrorist 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

stacy women no matter what their age is can get a man. you’re so internet brain poisoned that you think that there’s a significant physical difference between a 25 and 30, my stepmom was 40 yrs old and 4 yrs older than my dad when she got with him (he’s 6’2 and makes six figures and is handsome). but she’s good looking especially for her age. so cope saying that i’m somehow more valuable for my age despite being fug

[–]Liberated_Asexual 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you even tried OLD? There are multiple experiments where hideous girls would match with above average looking men.

[–]sexiterrorist 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

those dudes just use you for sex, i don’t want sex

[–]Born_Section2687 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would help him cheering him up to go gym, to find a job, convince him to go on a dermatologist, take care of his hair, beard, skin, his body, eat healthy, to get into his masculine nature and all those things. I would also, tell my husband to help him with this masculine behaviour. So with time he would have a awesome personality, a better appearance and a good social posture! I would raise a gentleman!

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

First off, I'm not having children, so not particularly relevant for me. However if I did decide on having children, I would likely choose a man with tall and good genes. I'm a 5'6 woman myself, so if I had a child with someone who was taller than me the likelihood of ending up with a short son would be rather small. I also have good genes and if I had a child with someone else with good genes, the likelihood of them ending up with a horrible appearance would be rather small. Pretty much everyone in my family, women and extended family included, is 5'6 or taller. My sister is 5'7 and my brother is 6'3 or taller. My mom is 5'6 and my dad is also well above 6 feet. We all have very good genes in our family, so again not an issue that would be particularly relevant or that I'd be worried about if I decided to have kids.

I think the better question to ask is, are you short and ugly yourself? Cause if you're short or ugly yourself the likelihood of passing on those genes are rather large, and if you're concerned about passing on those bad genes yourself and don't want to pass them on.. perhaps, don't? You can choose a partner with good genes but you can't change your own genes. Not having biological children if you're worried about passing on bad genes is a valid option. You can also adopt, and then you will know better that the child you're getting has good genes.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Genetic recombination is a really strange thing that isn't fully understood. You could have two unattractive people who give birth to a male demi-god model. Which is what happened in Jeremy Meek's case. Or you could have a good looking doctor mother and handsome father engineer who give birth to an ugly child who barely passed high school.

You could also have 2 average sized parents give birth to a son who never gets taller than 5'1. It's not often that it happens, but one of my best friends in high school was one of those cases.

But my question still stands:

What would YOU do if you gave birth to a 5'2 absolutely hideous son who grew up to be an involuntary celibate?

That was the question, not what you would do to prevent it. To be fair, this is a hard question to answer honestly. You don't have to if you don't want to. You'd need to sit down with your theoretical son at some point and have a very uncomfortable discussion about what women's dating preferences are, and how grim the future is for him.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure you could be an exception. I'm just saying choosing a partner with specific genetic traits is likely to improve your potential child's genes.

What I would do? If I wanted a child and they by some happenstance ended up short and ugly I would probably tell them that being single and childless isn't the end all be all. My uncle has been single and childless his entire life and he is 70 years old and doing just fine. That said my uncle isn't short or ugly. In fact he's 6'5 tall and was quite handsome in his youth. So he probably didn't have issues with his confidence in regards to appearance. Nevertheless he never found a woman or married or had kids, and yet he seems moderately content with his life working as an engineer. One of the pros being that he is ridiculously well off financially and have a lot of freedom and flexibility in his life and career to do as he wants without consideration for others. Since he never had children or a family to fund. Being single and childless also takes the burden away from having to be the traditional provider, from the expectation of having to have a well paid job and having to work your ass off to be able to provide. I would probably encourage them to invest the most in their hobbies and interests and a job that brings them joy and pleasure.

When I read these pill subs, there seem to be very little acknowledgement of the fact that people can live fulfillingsingle lives without children. I think that's the biggest issue I take with a lot of these pill debates. People will flat out say that it's impossible for them or men or women to be happy without a partner or without children. Imo that is a very fallacious way of thinking that I don't think is helpful at all but quite the contrary in regards to those who struggle to find a partner they can have children with. Perhaps a better advice is to let them know there's other options, and that embracing a life without a partner and a life without kids is a valid option that can even be a good and fulfilling option in its own way. It doesn't have to be this horrible depressing thing a lot of people make it out to be. I'm childfree by choice myself and content enough with being single, even if it's for life, if I don't find someone suitable for a LTR. I'd rather be single than with someone I'm not compatible with. It really isn't the end all be all. We live in 2022, not the 1950s. There's more to life than working marrying and having kids. There's other lifestyles that are just as valid.

Sure, there's also the options of excercising and doing plastic surgery to improve your appearance, as well as skincare and a good haircut and clothes. Not much can be done for shortness though. You can overcompensate in other areas such as in your career, but do you really want someone to be with you for your money? Idk.. I think I'd tell this hypothetical son that he could try those things, but to not pour his entire soul into it, and instead work on things and hobbies he finds fulfilling and satisfying, instead of desperately chasing a far fetched dream. Perhaps also by focusing on his passions and hobbies he will by chance meet a fellow like minded person who will connect with him through the things he is passionate about. However he should not take this as a given.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

to get why they're like this: was your uncle unable to obtain intimacy and sex for a lifetime?

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure. I think if he had wanted to he would have in his younger years, but I think maybe he wanted to find that special woman to settle down with and have kids with and he never found that woman so it never happened. How do I know this? He built a big ass house with the help of my dad (he's a carpenter) that would fit an entire family that's been empty for the past 30-40 years or so, that the rest of my family has been using as a vacation home as he doesn't live in it, but in an apartment he rents in the city, so I think that speaks for itself. It's not like it's too late for him to date at this age though. My 68 year old co worker has a BF that she's dating. I think he's just accepted the fact that he never gonna find a woman to marry and have kids with though. In his later years he also seemed to become increasingly religious (Christian) and became a member of the pentecostal church, so perhaps just embraced celibacy. He's also become fairly eccentric and buys into a bunch of conservative propaganda and conspiracy theories.

[–]beeyootiful 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

However my child turns out I will raise him with good values like love, resilience, scouting/church/team and individual sports, role models, meaningful life experiences, and help him to look his best. I know a man like you described that is an athlete, a first responder, a very good friend/husband/father. He won't win any beauty contest but he doesn't lack anything and is humble and a tough MF.

[–]catniagara 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sigh. I hate where I live. All my male family members are tall (over 6ft), hard working, gorgeous (dancers and models among them) and smart (so many straight a students).

But this town is full of racist ratchet drug addicts mating with treasure trolls, and every day the populace becomes more inbred. If I had a son, he would have to be Shrek to attract a mate here at all. If my son looked like me he would be forever alone because I was lucky enough to have parents with money so I could meet guys in the states and on vacation. But my son would have my broke ass for a parent and have to search this refuse bin for a girl. Heaven help him. Heaven help my possum son.

You want my advice? House swap with me. PLEASE house swap with me.

One of my SO’s cousins, her tinder profile says “I just want a guy that don’t beat me” 😵‍💫

….I fucking hate this town.

One of you, for the love of God, house swap me lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not reproduce with someone genetically inferior to avoid this happening.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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