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Sex as the end all be all

August 22, 2022
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I understand young men are particularly vulnerable to this due to the high amounts of testosterone, but I feel like there's a few points I gotta make to the so called "sexless" folks out there:

  • sex won't cure your depression.
  • sex won't improve your financial situation (as it's usually detrimental to it).
  • sex won't make you a better person.
  • sex won't teach you useful life skills.
  • sex won't fix your car, pay your rent, or get you a higher position in society.
  • any man with a 100$ is only sexless by choice.
  • sex is just a form of masturbation with the bonus side effect of potentially turning you into a wage slave to a woman for 18+ years.

Put things in proportions brothers, don't let your instincts ruin your potential.

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Title Sex as the end all be all
Author BlackPillPusher
Upvotes 7
Comments 59
Date August 22, 2022 10:19 AM UTC (3 months ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
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[–]HodgekinWhitePill 11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Access to sex is just a bench mark for your desirability.

Having a lack of sex isn't the problem. It's the rejection that's the problem.

There's no doubt, if you're rejected constantly by females, you're probably rejected a lot in life. It's the female rejection that hurts the most, because it's a judgement of the most extreme. A female rejecting you isn't much different than mother nature rejecting your genes. We just don't articulate rejection like that, it's too harsh.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's only a big deal if you make a big deal out of it, there are numerous ways to make yourself more attractive as a men and if you don't partake in any of them it's your decision.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree 100%.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sorry for the double comment.

You're not wrong. What you're describing is "what ought". Meaning, how people should live life.

What I'm describing is "what is". Meaning, that's just how people are.

Analogy would be, you telling a depress person to be active, get a job, and be positive. Which is 100% true. And then you have me, saying, yeah, a lot of people are depress because they are losers. Which is also 100% true.

We actually don't disagree. I agree people need to take responsiblity for their life and make the right choices. That is the solution. You also agree the reason they are rejected by females is because they don't work hard enough. Which is also an analysis of their current state.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Depression can and should be treated, just like any other obstacles on the way to your goals, you can't expect to sit on your ass in your apartment all day and for things to happen and people to absolutely fall in love with you, that's just the nature of biological existence.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes sir. I fully believe that too, because I was also depressed and now I'm a winner.

I have sympathy for the low tier men. And I will only give allowance for the absolute bottom tier men if their genetics were really shit. Not many men fall in that tier % wise.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

sex won't cure your depression.

It cured mine.

sex won't make you a better person

It did for me,I learned a lot of useful social skills by dating and sex. Those skills are useful everywhere. I'm now a better person because of those skills.

sex won't teach you useful life skills.

See above.

any man with a an extra 100$ is only sexless by choice

Fixed.

sex is just a form of masturbation with the bonus side effect of potentially turning you into a wage slave to a woman for 18+ years

I think your omitting one important information: masturbation is done solo and sex is done with multiple people. This is like saying that there's no point of going out with friends because you can shitface yourself alone on vodka.

Summary: 5/7 of the things you said about sex is false and you failed the assignement with 28%.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good points all.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao nicely done. I think sex will help cure my depression

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Logical points thrown out there like a Macross missile massacre. Kaboom. Well done!

[–]litgas -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The BS is smelling through my monitor.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I agree, sex isn't the end all be all. It's mostly the feeling of being loved and desired that I want.

But I gotta disagree hard with you on the "$100" thing. In Nevada where prostitution is quasi-legal, some quality sex worker's services can easily START at around $1,500. It's very professional though, and if I was going that route this is what I'd do. The risk of catching an STD or getting robbed is pretty much zero going through a reputable escort service.

The only type of sex you'll be getting with $100 as a sub 5/10 male, is from a back ally hooker in Los Angeles who probably has Herpes, HIV, Hep-C, HPV, or maybe even a combination of those things.

Oh, plus the very real risk of just getting robbed. That happens a lot. You have a hooker luring you to a motel room with the promise of cheap sex, only for a few guys to jump you and take everything you have. And you were there to engage in illegal prostitution... so it's not like you could go to the cops afterwards.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

1500$? That's whack, who's paying that kind of money for sex? I live in a Muslim country where prostitution is illegal and we never had any of those issues, the great and amazing americuh I guess.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, well that explains it then. I'm not sure how prostitution laws are enforced in your country but here in the US it can vary wildly.

Some states (like Nevada), its legal and regulated. Some states engaging in prostitution is a 5 year prison sentence.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here the law is pretty much the same, except the blame is only on the john, trying to make the world's oldest profession illegal though always ends in a mess of wasted public resources and clogs the already overworked justice system to a screeching halt while lowering conviction rates dramatically, especially now with all the dating apps out there.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in a Muslim country where prostitution is illegal

Which means a lot of other things even sex related is illegal as well. And it also possibly explains your views towards sex as well.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only type of sex you'll be getting with $100 as a sub 5/10 male, is from a back ally hooker in Los Angeles who probably has Herpes, HIV, Hep-C, HPV, or maybe even a combination of those things.

I was going to say you're wrong, but inflation is a thing.

[–]lostwanderer28 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A female study partner strangely gave me unknowingly a lot of motivation to meet up and study together.

I would say a wife can give motivation.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relying on other for validation and motivation is the first step of becoming a slave.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I find it ironic that lefties call men they don't like "incels", yet it upholds this toxic idea that men are only valued by society so long as they have sex with multiple woman.

I think society in general puts unnecessary pressure on men to find a relationship or sleep around, because of insults like "incel".

I wish I was valued based on how I treat people, my conversation skills, and my intellect instead of how many "bitches" I fucked

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Despite the controversial language I absolutely agree with you brother, a true black pill is a rare find these days, DM me any time.

[–]hdksndiisn 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a wonderful response.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

yet it upholds this toxic idea that men are only valued by society so long as they have sex with multiple woman.

You mean the view/mentality lefties themselves don't even promote or say? Further so this mentality is by and large dying out and only resides among a minority group of men.

I think society in general puts unnecessary pressure on men to find a relationship or sleep around, because of insults like "incel".

There's pressure for men to have sex and to want it all the time still, but not to whore around.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean the view/mentality lefties themselves don't even promote or say? Further so this mentality is by and large dying out and only resides among a minority group of men.

Look up any leftist who talks about andrew tate, 60% of them call him an incel or incel king.

Men valued for only sex is upholding toxic masculininty. This sets men on to this path of only doing things that will attract woman and not exploring other avenues of happiness.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never seen him called the incel king or incel. Seen him called a misogynist which he is one. And men aren't valued for sex. Also toxic masculinity is just masculinity, they are the same thing.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're looking at it all wrong.

Sex doesn't do any of that stuff. It's just sex. However, the things you do to get sex have benefits outside of sex. If you're attractive sounding enough to get a girl into bed, you're attractive and charismatic enough to negotiate a salary. If you're fit enough to look good and get laid, you're fit enough to be healthy and not have depression.

If you're able to handle rejection well enough to approach more women, you're able to handle rejection well enough to plow through hardships.

The whole point is that by engaging and succeeding with the human condition, you gain the skills to continue to succeed in other parts of the human condition.

sex is just a form of masturbation with the bonus side effect of potentially turning you into a wage slave to a woman for 18+ years.

If this makes you feel better about not having sex, fill your boots.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All of those benefits are not derived from sex.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

read it again, slower

[–]Marzipan-Happy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We are biological beings. Like other animals, it is our goal to reproduce. Despite being completely sentient, we still feel that drive to procreate. Thus, it really could be argued that an individuals need to reproduce could easily have an effect on their well-being, regardless of the fact that they may not actually spawn.

[–]RazhL 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Deeply disagree on all this.

Sex is hugely beneficial to your mental health. On just 1 easy example it means validation. Being able to afford it through money or socially at all is a form of validation.
Might not solve depression. But the statement that any 1 thing solves depression is loaded.
Sex helps humans with their mental wellbeing. Period.

‘Sex wont improve your financial situation’.
Neither does eating.
Both are basic human needs.

‘Sex doesnt make you a better person’ Neither does not having sex.

Sex not teaching you usefull life skills.
You do not realise what you are saying with this?
Imagine being a virgin at 40, or 50+ and still not having the social skills neccesary to “get sex”.
Surely, Being social enough to find companionship is a hugely important life skill?

Sex not getting you a higher position in society.
Yes it does?
Virginity is stereotypically hidden for a reason. Being an adult virgin is looked down on.
Top it that with, being succesfull in money going hand in hand with having an extravogant love/sexlife.

Sexless by choice.
I cant actually afford a prostitute, Even if i wanted to.
Im paycheck to paycheck broke. And so are many others.
Saying its a choice to buy into sex is a privileged mindset.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

People don't die from lack of sex.

Social skills are a way to get sex, not the other way around.

Work for an afternoon and get sex if you're a virgin, real easy to do anywhere, make better choices, spend less, consume less, work out more, talk to me in a month.

[–]IHateNormis 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Social skills are a way to get sex, not the other way around.

You are definitely not black pilled

[–]RazhL -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Been there. Done that. Didn’t work. Doesnt work.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do you, mate.

[–]RazhL 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Am not sure how you conclude someone meeting on your ‘advice’ and then not succeeding as being a “you do you” thing.

[–]kvakerokWhitePill 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

sex is just a form of masturbation with the bonus side effect of potentially turning you into a wage slave to a woman for 18+ years.

Tell me you're a virgin without telling me you're a virgin. Sex is nothing like masturbation.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Muh feefees argument, of course

[–]kvakerokWhitePill 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Hey, I agree with the rest of your claims, but sex is nothing like masturbation. Maybe it's different with a hooker, but I've never paid for sex so I don't know.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The result is 100% the same, you get your masturbatory realease and move on with your day, please at least try to grow up at some point because you sound like a 14 year old.

[–]kvakerokWhitePill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The result is 100% the same, you get your masturbatory realease and move on with your day

The oxytocin release from masturbation is not even in the same ballpark compared to that of real sex. Your dick will have blisters if you try to jerk off enough to match the levels.

please at least try to grow up at some point because you sound like a 14 year old.

You're projecting.

[–]you-arent-reading-it 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean I agree with you. I believe sex is very different from masturbation, but when you get used to the same girl, the effect on your mind after sex is almost like masturbation. Varying girl periodically/being poligamous can make it different from masturbation long-term. As a man, I think it's more about the feeling of power than the act itself. And if I add details, I would say the feeling of certainty that your sources of sex won't expire. That feeling of certainty is either achieved by being delusional ( believing in fairytale and that your relationship will never end ) that usually lasts a short time, or more permanently by simply having many different sources of sex.

[–]kvakerokWhitePill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, my experiences and feelings are nothing like that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This will fall on deaf ears and you know it. Sex is in every part of life pushed. What is 90% of songs about? Love. What is 90% of movies about? Love.

The notion that you should focus on other things is nothing more than a coping mechanism for the people unable to attain it.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Any man who worked for an afternoon can get sex, it's cheap and readily available, also sex!=love.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing validating about paying for pussy. You don’t get your ego stroked.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

People who cannot even imagine existing without external validation are nothing but slaves.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Straw man. Nobody said you couldn’t imagine existing without external validation, but you would be lying to yourself if you didn’t want it, especially if you’ve never had it before.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]BumblingBeta 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's slightly complicated. You're right that JUST sex is not going to do much. If I went out and visited an escort to have sex for 1 hour, that won't solve any problems and might just make you feel even more like sh*t, especially if you could tell she was faking her enjoyment, which I hear most escorts do.

But if you're actually desired and wanted, that's a different story. That will increase your testosterone, increase your confidence and feed into other aspects of your life.

If you need to be a wage slave for a woman, you're not desired.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

All of those things can achieved by hitting the gym, having a successful career or meditating plus numerous other benefits, also, as a man, it's not you who is desired but rather what you can provide.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Very few people have careers, they have jobs. Not many people like their jobs. Ideally we'd all love to be in a career we really enjoy, but reality doesn't work like that for most people. So they need things like love and sex to get them through life. Meditating did jack sh*t for me personally, I see it recommended on the red pill but I tried it a few times and didn't feel anything. Hitting the gym never gave me the confidence boost that everyone talks about.

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Again, that's a choice, you choose to not be attractive to women therefore you are not attractive to women.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not sure how you drew that conclusion from my post, but ok.

[–]Truth_Antisocial 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Everything you listed can also be said of sunlight, intellectual stimulation and bathing.

Go 2 years without those and report back on how they aren’t “the end all be all”

[–]BlackPillPusher[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

All those things do not require other people, which is precisely my point.

[–]Truth_Antisocial 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except it wasn't "precisely your point" whatsoever.

What you said was:

Put things in proportions brothers, don't let your instincts ruin your potential.

After listing off a bunch of supposed negatives about sex.

It's like saying "You don't want to see the sun anyway, look at all the people who get sun burned!"

The fact of the matter is, sex is a very important of mental and physical well being for men - bordering on need.. And it is far more holistic and complicated than just "masturbation with extra steps."

This is why prostitution doesn't "work" in the same way. Men aren't robots who go "me fuck pussy, me happy". For all of our bluster and downplaying of the importance of "intimacy connection" it is very important and is a huge part of the sexual experience for men.

Even a drunken hook up with a girl horny for dick brings a level of satisfaction astronomically more profound than some business transaction for a starfish.

People who jump to the "entitled to sex!" straw man are not worth listening to, and I truly hope that's not what you're doing.

I can tell you from experience that my mental and physical sense of well being is far better when I am able to have sex on a regular basis.

Saying it's not important is ignoring biology.

[–]you-arent-reading-it 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Saying it's not important is ignoring biology.

I agree.

I can tell you from experience that my mental and physical sense of well being is far better when I am able to have sex on a regular basis.

Facts.

[–]Ambassadior 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All true, but sex is a pretty good motivator to get these things in sort for most guys.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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