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Society is a conspiracy between women and top men to exploit all the other men.

Cartierwontevenpeek
December 23, 2022
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Society is a conspiracy between women and top men to exploit all the other men. That is why you see things like ruthlessly shaming men who dare to question this "oh you're one of those loser men", inducing the other men into silence.

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Title Society is a conspiracy between women and top men to exploit all the other men.
Author Cartierwontevenpeek
Upvotes 9
Comments 84
Date December 23, 2022 1:32 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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Convicted criminal offenders had more children than individuals never convicted of a criminal offense

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The current state of the dating market is the natural result of what happens when both men and women have free choice. The only reason men had more options before was because of the patriarchy

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[–]infinitofluxo 8 points9 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Most women are enforcers of exploitation of men, because they care about how much the man earns and expect him to provide at least some luxuries to them.

People say that men do most violence in the world, but forget to think that many of the guys doing crime are just trying to have access to money so they can please women and live a decent life. Doing a low wage job not only makes them live in poverty but makes sex hard to do, as they also need to be pleasing, good looking, to have a chance. Money might be easier to get.

If women were truly egalitarian, they would be happy to be with men that earn what they earn and would be happy to share their expenses. A few are like this, I've met some. This is the only path I see for society, women want to work and men shouldn't be charged money to be in relationships. This will help with the world peace as the pressure to be successful will enable more men to stay doing honest jobs and not be inclined to all forms of crime and violence.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There’s actually stats that show men are more prone to violence the less success they have with women. Which actually makes sense. Men don’t ask for much but what they want is so hard to obtain smh

[–]tired_hillbilly 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Criminals have more sex than non-criminals.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

And you should look at the quality of women they get to -- certainly not the beautiful high school sweetheart that every incel idyllically daydreams about.

t. has a criminal sex haver relative

[–]Cartierwontevenpeek1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Warmwethole is warmwethole

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Bruh doesnt indiscriminately fucking every woman give women an unnecessary amount of sexual power over men?

Women don't need any redeeming qualities -- they don't even need to be physically attractive, to get a relationship. Nice way of keeping up the same system oppressing "low tier" men.

[–]Cartierwontevenpeek1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Hence overarching structures are needed

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just dont fucking fuck anyone or be happy a man is fucking some drug addicted bpd slut

[–]Cartierwontevenpeek1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Convicted criminal offenders had more children than individuals never convicted of a criminal offense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean anyone could degen/bpd female maxx

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Source?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I guess if all women are crazy golddiggers who BBAA, it's only right to generalize all men as rapists or pedos. After all, men and women live in a soyciety where they reflect off each other.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know how all men can be rapists and pedos when so many are kissless virgins

[–]RocinanteCoffee -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most men get laid.

Most kiss and have sex before the end of their 17th year (women too). And an overwhelming majority report regular sex (between 70% and 80%) depending on the study.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say most, I said a significant number. Also no, most men cannot get laid easily.

[–]infinitofluxo 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Might be true, if we consider Evolutionary Psychology theories. But we have to overcome these instincts as a society. We (mostly) stopped sacking towns and raping women as general practice and we could claim that men secretly wish they could get what they want, now we (mostly) live under societal values that wouldn't agree with that so we live our fantasies in the form of fetishes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men, for the most part, didn't spend most of their lives sacking town and raping women as a general practice. Although what I know is probably true from my analysis of archival data, a lot of casual sex in previous generations was non-consensual.

I don't think most things are defined by biological coding anyway. A lot of human social behaviors are just molded and formed by society as a result of the thousands year development of each culture. Of course if human social behavior is artificially changed to the extent that the previous generation has radically different social norms and morals than the one after it, like through Hollywood or social media, that poses a lot of intense, seemingly unsolvable problems. Essentially, I'm of the theory where I believe humanity is being trolled into bottomless dysfunctional chaos and that excuses claiming recent developments that can be clearly traced back to Hollywood media archetypes are actually a result of millions years of biology are just that, excuses.

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[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

People say that men do most violence in the world, but forget to think that many of the guys doing crime are just trying to have access to money so they can please women

Disadvantaged People who commit crimes are just trying to survive. The pursuit of romance and sex are not the motivators behind breaking laws; survival is.

 

This is the only path I see for society, women want to work and men shouldn't be charged money to be in relationships.

The vast majority of women want to date men they are attracted to. Success and popularity can be attractive traits, but neither or both make a man attractive. Plenty of unemployed and underemployed men get attention from women.

[–]Cartierwontevenpeek1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Disadvantaged People who commit crimes are just trying to survive. The pursuit of romance and sex are not the motivators behind breaking laws; survival is.

Criminals have the most children

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Prove it.

[–]holdmebebi 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

tenda go watch some bbc porn or something like you always do to calm down

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[–]holdmebebi 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

aren't you the alt of, him?

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[–]holdmebebi 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

ok tenda spencer

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW (hit the wall at age 0) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What a silly and stupid attack on the OP. Instead of engaging in grade school tactics why not try to refute them... oh wait, you can't. Welp, this makes me another target for your toddler tantrum! Fire away kiddo!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (79 children) | Copy Link

I wish I was apart of this so called conspiracy, maybe then my mental health would've considerably improved over the years. I noticed you self proclaimed low tier men think all women are apart of some secret cabal to torture the rest of the world alongside her chosen one alpha males. Why is that? Why do "low tier" men have a hard time understanding that not all women are the same?

Even you "low tier" men play this game when you insult "lower SMV"/less mainstream desired women with ridiculously sadistic insults, yet somehow you also believe that all women are treated like princesses from birth and never have to deal with any real issues or problems whatsoever.

[–]Hekinsieden 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

How to earn the gold medal in mental gymnastics in 2022.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Literally massively claiming that "women" (billions of people on earth) conspire against a subset of men (low tier men) with another subset of men (alpha men) is a massive generalization in itself. It's like when woke activists claim all white people are massively privileged and actively conspire against non-white people.

[–]holdmebebi 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

literally sjw logic but tis ok if its unwoke

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW (hit the wall at age 0) 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

After all, stuff like the inceldom movements and the pill movements could only be brought in a liberal, progressive environment. When you're encouraged to forcefully change any perceived social inequality by any means necessary, this is what happens.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

They can do better other than spreading more hatred and demonizing half the population. They're no better than man-hating feminists and women who take pride in manipulating men through their sexuality, in my opinion.

Otherwise, it's just another power play brought on the deconstruction of the first power dynamic that feminism claimed to be liberating people from.

However, the bigger picture is that feminism was allowed to spread and the ideology gradually got worse as it first posed with honest, moral arguments to gain supporters in the first place: Women deserve the same rights (voting, land-owning) as men do => Women are better and smarter than men => It's empowering for women to date other women, engage in prostitution, manipulate men, ect. It's the same pipeline of progressive logic that every shilled by elites ideology in the West brings with it. One of the biggest two (one I can't name) is tied to feminism to further legitimize its purpose.

I don't believe accelerationism is necessarily natural to every ideology or social change being pushed, it's just obviously normally used by special interest elites to further an agenda they want to exert over a population.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah? still not seeing it for incels and pill bros who choose to demonize women they wouldn't bang as the ultimate evil, despite getting mad at the women they DO wanna bang since they hold a lot of sexual power over them. sounds like they just cope to me, since they want to BE the winners of that damned hierarchy instead of actually getting rid of it.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (55 children) | Copy Link

Anyway the men doing that are trying to fight back against the conspiracy.

So why don't they target their insults at conventionally attractive "high SMV" women instead of doing it towards the women less likely to benefit from the so-called "female privileges" in the dating and sexuality spheres oft highlighted by pill people?

For example, no matter how ugly the woman is she will still benefit from affirmative action in college admissions despite women earning the vast majority of degrees. She will have a lesser sentence for the same crime.

Not every woman knows how to play the system or knows how to. Or even can benefit from the same system that other women get ahead in. However, I'm not sure how this fits into the conspiring against "beta males" with "alpha males" theory.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

Why do women push their insults against the male undesirables?

Two wrongs don't make a right; neither does deflection "whataboutism". The fact that there are women and men being oppressed on both sides by unrealistic standards for each gender proves that women aren't like the shady friends of the Talmud certain conspiracy theorists focus on, wickedly rubbing their hands in the shadow plotting to take down the next "beta male".

And even the least among them are leaps and bounds beyond most men. Some of this is genetic: it was the only way their frail useless little bodies could survive the ancestral environment

If both a man and woman are poor, living in cruddy conditions, access to little generational or personal wealth, suffered childhood trauma and abuse; how does this make one or the other more superior in their stature?

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[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW (hit the wall at age 0) -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

get out of my subreddit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (47 children) | Copy Link

LOL I can't do whatever I want as a woman. 😂 Don't spaz out on me because I don't agree with your shoddy "hypothesis", obviously based on your anecdotal observations of OF girls and women using their social privileges against men then extrapolating that into the billions of women.

I'd like to hear more from some doofus who thinks the bullying I faced from my male peers for not fitting in their preconceived notions of what a woman is, has to do with some grand oppressive conspiracy put upon them by the rest of society. After all, I'll respect these men (by your own admission who are fighting against the conspiracy) more if they stopped giving attention to sex workers, strippers, porn stars, and other women who want to ensnare men by their looks alone.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (45 children) | Copy Link

You're talking about some small fraction of men and extrapolating it to the entire whole, whereas all women

The lucrativeness of the sex and pornography industry says otherwise. Without a demand, there would be no supply.

Patriarchy may not be perfect, but it at least puts every man at the head of a family

I'm not anti patriarchy, but ironically, the patriarchy acknowledges men's inclination to evil nature as much as they do with women's. But left wing pill bros like YOU want to promote every man as pure and every woman as evil, b/c that's how the black and white categorization of your puny left wing brain works. Whether the left wing moron spouting his us vs them crap be pro-woman, pro-man, pro-western, pro-china, pro-black, ect.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I sure didn't get away with doing whatever I could as a woman when my dad would spank me with a belt whenever I got in trouble in school and my family would shame me once I did anything remotely stupid. Didn't help the school administration were as equally harsh on me, going as far to force sham diagnoses on me. Oh, oh, and the ostracization from my peers and the inability to make genuine friends all of my school life! Also, the gaslighting and victim blaming by my family whenever I'd open up about my bullying or my mental health issues..

Please tell me more how I am living on easy mode!

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not autistic. Anyway I basically married my equivalent -- has similar childhood trauma as me, similar themes of family abuse (but even worse for him), ect.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

For example, no matter how ugly the woman is she will still benefit from affirmative action

What in the ever loving fuck does someone’s appearance have to do with college admissions and employment status? What is wrong with you?

[–]TsugaC 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We all know the answer. It’s sour grapes. Aesop’s Fable about the fox and the grapes neatly explained the behavior of envious and embittered people.

“Women won’t date me. (I can’t reach the grapes) “Women are all whores and bitches anyway.” (The grapes are probably sour, anyway).

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Nailed it

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, you actually challenged OP without namecalling. Good points, too.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (32 children) | Copy Link

But what ding nuts like OP and most "patriarchy" stans fail to realize is that historically, the Western patriarchy DID impose (moral) restrictions on men's social and sexual behavior! Like, ofc people still did what they wanted because authoritarianism wasn't a thing in those days but it wasn't actively encouraged like it is now so it wasn't everywhere all out in the open.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree that it's necessarily fascist, a lot of fascism and authoritarian political systems are unique to the 20th century to 21st century context. I think claiming that is also giving those 20th century ideologies a little too much power over history and time itself, which those societies developed in a system independently unique to the snapshot of its civilizations.

Pretty much any society has its own moral code and guidelines for what is correct or bad behavior anyway, whether implicitly or explicitly exerted. You could also say polygamous societies are forced into being polygamous, since everything works on a hierarchy and base system anyways.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

But I don't think all women are necessarily strong either. There are certainly hierarchies existing in female society consisting of the most socially successful and least socially successful women which pill theorists often neglect to mention.

In these days, generally the most socially successful women are either CEOs or highly educated professional women, or more crudely on the internet, OF girls or porn stars (who receive a disproportionate amount of attention and admiration since soyciety is fucked).

I suspect men only focus on the "strongest" women is because they only pay attention to very conventionally attractive to slightly less conventionally attractive women, while ignoring the other examples. Even OP's commenting history proved my very point, by openly slamming whores but praising the looks of a pornstar of all things, which is fairly common in his types (hating whores but liking the content they make, the only women they care about are prostitutes, ect).

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but why is your first thought to go to a porn star? You could've just googled "pretty autistic woman" and google would've yielded enough results to pick out an influencer or some other (non pornographic) public figure instead.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Not every man should have a family. Some men and some men commit atrocious crimes against their partners and children, and some neglect them entirely. It isn’t necessary or desirable for every person to reproduce or subject a partner to emotional or physical abuse.

[–]Cartierwontevenpeek1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Criminals have the most children today lmfao fuck off with that shit this is the society you get when it's based on women's giney tingles

[–]TsugaC 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

when it's based on women's giney tingles

You’re mad that women prefer sex with men they are physically attracted to rather than men they are physically repulsed by?

Tough shit.

Stay mad.

You have sex with people you find repulsive.

[–]Cartierwontevenpeek1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Convicted criminal offenders had more children than individuals never convicted of a criminal offense.

[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Nature don't need conspiracy. "Buy this product, or else she won't give you her number"

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[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It was necessary in favor of surviving. Right now we are not at the brink of extinction, so we can afford "genes to be filter".

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[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Win what?

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[–]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Title of this thread "conspiracy between women and top men." So it isn't gender conflict.

[–]RevolutionaryShow484 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“No matter what a man's job may be - bookkeeper, doctor, bus driver, or managing director - every moment of his life will be spent as a cog in a huge and pitiless system - a system designed to exploit him to the utmost, to his dying day. (...) We have long ceased to play the games of childhood. As children, we became bored quickly and changed from one game to another. A man is like a child who is condemned to play the same game for the rest of his life.”

Esther Vilar, The Manipulated Man

This comes from a second wave feminist BTW

[–]OrionBartholomew 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately, I realized this b4 the process had a chance to destroy my life. Now, I don't give women any legal or financial control in my life, which allowed me to achieve all of my goals and to become financially independent. The real problems start when you sign something highly anti-male, like a marriage decree, which is an extremely dangerous, misandric contract that works against men and for women and their state sugar daddy (powerful alpha males). The state actually serves as women's violence proxy against men, which is why we still have the male-only draft and why hundreds of thousands of men are being mass slaughtered, as the human sacrifices of women and the state, in Ukraine.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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