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the flip side of "women don't owe you anything"

March 2, 2023
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so let me start off with a premise to filter out some of the people that live in a parallel universe here: a woman can install tinder and shop for men like a consumer on amazon.com regardless of her own lifestyle and achievements, and most of them are married to uncle sam when they're single (not that i'm against welfare in principle, i would think a society with no safety nets is barbaric). so it makes sense that the treatment the vast majority of women give men is really not good enough to convince some guys to work their asses off for a slim chance at slim pickings if they know the market well enough - they're in demand so they simply don't need to put in effort, it checks out. they/them, vegan, fat is beautiful, my body my choice, i hate men, my kids are my world, swipe left if you can't take me to fine dining and your height starts with 5'.

so now that the whole "women don't owe you shit" argument has been beaten to death, i'm wondering honestly what they are doing that should draw interest from the demographic of average, under 6'0" guys' interest aside from owning a vagene because the meat sleeve isn't worth it and isn't accessible anyway - if she has ambition, that's great, better than being a deadbeat and mooching off of the public fund, but it's going to serve her and herself only most of the time. if she's a good mother, that's great for her kids who share her genes; it says nothing about whether she's worthwhile for her male partner. the masses of men are pursuing them and following red pill self improvement bullshit to chase some very hollow outcomes. as for the rest, when they hear "be a better person", they understand it as "be a sucker for me."

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[–]fatsackguy47 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lol the women don’t owe you anything is funny.

It’s true but when I see post about a woman being lonely it’s never “men don’t owe you anything” it’s always “aww you poor thing you will find someone not having love is the worst it’s sooo hard to live without” or “I don’t know how you can live without love it’s too hard” lmao

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It’s true but when I see post about a woman being lonely it’s never “men don’t owe you anything” it’s always “aww you poor thing you will find someone not having love is the worst it’s sooo hard to live without” or “I don’t know how you can live without love it’s too hard” lmao

i saw a woman on exmuslim subreddit complaining about her hookups with guys and saying sex is a human need and therefore she couldn't just abstain from sex even though she was regretting her experience with it

can you imagine the backlash we'd get if you or i said that sex is a human need

[–]fatsackguy47 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Dude so many cases of women saying that fucking love and physical touch are basic needs for them, but the moment a guy says he wants the same he’s an incel. Holyyyyy shit.

So many cases where women say the bar is low but they find the majority of dudes ugly proven fact btw. Same girls say guys are all players and juggling a bunch of girls at once.

So many cases of hypocrisy. It’s unreal. I can’t tell if it’s a genuine complete lack of awareness or denial.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

i think they believe what they say

women(*) can afford delusion, men cant. it's why women end up bluepilled

[–]fatsackguy47 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah your right the vast majority probably do believe what they say.

It’s like that meme of a sub foreveralonewomen lmao. They are literally chad chasers complaining they can’t get the guy they want. I wonder what the guy they want looks like lol. I wonder why they always say these guys always have a GF and are always pined after by other girls? Hmm. Strange. Surely these are average or even below average men, their looksmatches, they are talking about.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i try not to pass judgment on those and imagine that some circumstance (like C-PTSD) or an understandable reluctance to use dating apps is what's holding them back because they might really just be that far of an outlier, as i don't like to jump the gun and call people liars. though don't quote me on that; hard for me to imagine a woman who has equal SMV to us but i get the same suspicion as you do when i read that they want taken guys.

[–]fatsackguy47 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think it’s likely they have equal smv. Unless we are talking like maybe the bottom 0.00001% of women. 1 in a million shit.

Anyway I don’t pass judgement on them really. I don’t think they are bad people at all, it’s just a bit frustrating they don’t realize what’s really going on and that they lack perspective and any sense of introspection it seems.

Honestly I pity those “blackpilled women” just as much as I do any bluepiller or even redpiller who lacks self awareness to such a severe degree.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i don't pity bluepillers because they apply their beliefs self-servingly to misdiagnose us and commit the fundamental attribution error. "looks are second to personality" leads inevitably to "successful ⇔ upstanding person".

[–]fatsackguy47 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I pity anyone who is so blind they can’t see what’s in front of them tbh. It’s really sad.

I don’t even care if what they say is opposite to what we say because they are literally just so wrong about everything it’s actually past the point of being funny.

They have no proof of what they say, and we have scientific studies galore. I hate to sound like I think I’m some Einstein, I don’t, but it’s kind of like arguing with a child. I just can’t take them seriously. And then I realize I’m talking to a full grown ass person and realize just how sad it is.

Also I realize that we are coming to a point in society where more and more are realizing we are right, so you have that to look forward to.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

people are more likely to bullshit women, they will tell them they are beautiful when they look like shit, they will tell them someone special will come along when most likely they won’t.

arent you glad you’re a man and people will tell you the gods honest truth and hold us accountable ? Or would you rather people bullshit you and tell you every thing is fine when it isn’t?

peronally id rather be told where I’m failing, at least I can know where to start

[–]LainselBluePill 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Generally speaking, women tend to be extremely entitled, it's just that they tend to get what they want more often than not so you don't see many acting out. On the other hand, men are quite accepting and way less entitled but it's just that there are too many who don't get what they want which breeds outliers who act out. In our current woke society, hetero men are judged by the actions of those outliers because it's okay to generalize and denigrate men in pop culture.

Don't get it wrong though, most western women would not be able to survive a day in the life of her average male counterpart.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yep, if the free gibs ran out then western feminists would be running in the streets burning cars and homes in protest (possibly nude.)

[–]LainselBluePill 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We all saw how they acted when roe v wade was overturned. Apparently, the "you're not entitled to anything" shtick flies out the window when they want something.

[–]kanzakistudent 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Her body her choice?
My Wallet/Business my choice.

Female entitlement is due to male hypogamy. Stop putting the pzzy on a pedestal, and we can all eat more.

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’ll not change that.

you eat more when your hunting skills improve

[–]inkwell6841 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

All social welfare programs that go to paying for single mothers should be axed immediately. No man, besides the one who helped make the baby, should be responsible for paying towards a child that is not his.

Don't let low value fat single mothers like ElectricBug shame you into silence or subservience, because female shame is based on male gullibility and not logic.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

she seems unable or more likely unwilling to connect the dots between obviously related topics

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What draws my interest to them is their boobs, bodies in general pretty much. As much as I wish I could help it I can't. I wake up every morning wishing that my face was pressed against a woman's bosom. Jerking off helps, but not enough. I am not interested in escorts and it is illegal where I am anyways.

Honestly all I would want is a friends with benefits situation. I do not believe that women are capable of love or relationships. I really have no expectations at all from the woman herself. I do not expect her to be a good and worthwhile person. I just want their body.

I think this is the best way to think about a woman. Just think of her for her body. Do not expect anything good from her because you will just be disappointed. One thing they can objectively offer is a warm place to stick your cock and provide pleasure in a way that I can't get from other sources. I do not even look at women in public because I do not want them obtaining their favorite currency, attention, from me. I pretend that they do not exist. The only way a woman could truly excite me and seem like a worthwhile being to me is if they present their body to me. (This is not completely true as I am friends with some of my female coworkers, but they have boyfriends so I do not view them as sexually.)

I am slaving my life away in school basically to have a small chance at obtaining a friends with benefits situation, or hopefully when I am older I will have enough money to just fuck college girls and such and then trash them to the curb after.

Still, it is probably all just cope.

[–]Last-Post2085BlackPill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jerking off only works for a bit. The next day you are filled to the brim thinking about tits, asses and sticking your pp in a vagina. Also loving stuff like cuddling and being together with someone. I'm 31 and the hornyness isn't letting up just yet.

I am slaving my life away in school basically to have a small chance at obtaining a friends with benefits situation, or hopefully when I am older I will have enough money to just fuck college girls and such and then trash them to the curb after.

I dont think this works. Money is kinda worthless for women atm. I say this as a man with a lot of money in the bank and drive a Mercedes-Benz. They still arent interested in me. Maybe it's just the area I live in. I'm 31 and I have my dating apps set from 18 to 45. I hardly ever match with anyone, especially 18 year olds.

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, it is more of a redpilled idea. Still, it seems like the vast majority of girls in college are dating guys who are not in college. At the end of the day I posted these comments pretty soon after waking up. Unfortunately the reality as a man is that there is no joy to be had in even thinking about the opposite gender for the vast majority of it.

Once I graduate I hope to spend my money on fish tanks and will hopefully work remotely so I never have to see another woman in public again.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I do not believe that women are capable of love or relationships.

that depends on who you are

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even then, a woman may "love" a dog, but it is temporary until she moves onto the next thing. She may "love" chad, but then another chad will come along who she loves more. Women are hyergamous beings. I have had girls completely head over heels for me. Non-stop complimenting how attractive they find me during sex, making me food, saying I can do whatever I want to them, yet the moment a new chad comes onto the horizon it is like nothing ever happened.

I think the only thing a woman can truly love is her children, and in many cases that isn't even true. I think they are loveless and morally bankrupt beings. Not exclusively, I know some good ones like my coworkers, but for the most part they are just pure sinful beings who are collapsing society.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think this is a dangerous view of women ngl ive seen women that did care for their men but i dont have any hard info on me to convince you otherwise. as for kids well my mom is an abusive fat cunt so i was speaking more generally than from the heart

[–]NotARussianBot1984 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

All single moms use social programs. Child tax.credits for example too. Snap food programs.

But I'm Canadian idk USA welfare programs much.

Idk why you assume she wouldn't. She has beta bucks from govt stealing it by taxes she voted for, all she needs now is alpha fucks lol.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

yeah i think those programs could be scaled back a bit because they incentivize degenerate ways of life but they also serve the function of placating the lumpenproletariat just enough to stop them from eating your flesh so YMMV

[–]sebasTLCQG 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The moment Governments start subsidizing a part of it´s populace degeneracy or to do nothing, you know the country of that Government is screwed.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're not scaling them back anytime soon. People are having too few kids and the politician's crying about how the economy suffers for it. If anything they'll try to throw more money after mom's to get them to reproduce.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i agree, my opinion isn't important; that politician is crying crocodile tears and the people who believe him are still coping that "women will do the thing i want if i throw money at them" which if you want to support women especially without printing or redistributing money im all for it but bro they aren't going to become the trad wives who take one for the team.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I support welfare, I don't want to encourage someone to break the law just to have 3 meals in jail.

But more money for having kids? No! If you can't afford them, you lose them IMHO.

[–]sebasTLCQG 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It´s a stupid policy, whats the point of having more kids, if they are just going to grow up to have a poor education and thug like behavior from lack of a father figure in the home?

[–]NotARussianBot1984 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Congrats, you just summed up Democrat's election strategy for decades to come.

[–]flakybottom 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh please, the Republicans want that too, why do you think they are outlawing abortions and birth control.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

cus they larp as religious traditionalists they dont give a shit about the kids

[–]NotARussianBot1984 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Religion or stupidity?

Or one issue voters, also stupidity

[–]sebasTLCQG -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wont work for decades, tho, once we have another World War, or a demographic collapse happens, Demorats will pay the piper.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's alr0eady been implemented since the 50s lol. It's too late
Soon enough we'll never have a republican president, they already don't win the majority of votes.

Ya in the long run, our society dies.

[–]sebasTLCQG 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It´s going to be like Rome decline all over again.

I suspect Russia and China want Amuhrica and Europe to have a swift collapse so they can rebuild the patriarchy.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i agree

[–]Last-Post2085BlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wageslave for my copes and to get a roof over my head and food on the table. It's nothing to do with women. I don't really care if my taxes go toward single mothers. I don't even see that money hit my bank account so I don't care

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men complain about being lonely? Women don't owe you anything, sweaty. Get over yourself, you're pathetic.

Women complain about being lonely? You deserve a good man in your life! You'll find someone some day.

Its pure cognitive bias.

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

and most of them are married to uncle sam when they're single (not that i'm against welfare in principle, i would think a society with no safety nets is barbaric).

At least in the usa single women make more than married women do And women in marriages who do take career hits do so for the benefit of the family.

a woman can install tinder and shop for men like a consumer on amazon.com regardless of her own lifestyle and achievements (

Women dont like casual sex like men do. This is why hookup apps are majority male. Making this point would be like if you were to be handed a blank check to buy all the Gucci bags you want (under the condition that you cannot sell them), if you dont like Gucci bags then its worthless.

As for what women bring to a relationship, companionship, and kids. If you as a guy dont want these things itll be harder to understand those who do.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As for what women bring to a relationship, companionship, and kids. If you as a guy dont want these things itll be harder to understand those who do.

i do unlike colttaine, im just wondering how this squares with the attitude that you shouldn't expect anything from women at all times ever under any circumstances promoted by feminists and in a time when a sizable bunch of men (possibly the majority based on the recent 66-34 stat depending on interpretation) are locked out to the point where they buy lambos for PUA scammers anyway.

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly when i see people comment that women dont owe men anything its usually in the context of someone she isnt romantically linked to. (Ex: she doesnt owe you sex because you bought her dinner on a first date). Most people tend to operate under the acknowledgment that there are obligations in a relationship.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

(2) while i acknowledge that single women as a whole earn more than married women, it doesn't mean that women (as a whole not each individual) are less reliant on male taxpayers

[–]ElectricBugs -5 points-4 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

This post is literally you just saying things are facts when they are not, and talking shot about women.

There is no flip side to women don't owe you shit. They don't.

That has nothing to do with what women do to draw interest from men.

This post is literally trash content and doesn't make sense.

[–]sebasTLCQG 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

They dont owe you shit, Men dont owe them shit either then, AKA goodbye single mom subsidies, no fault divorce and repeal the 19th.

To live in a civilized society, means we all owe each other something, the supermarket is worthless without the supply chainers, supplying it every day and so on and on.

[–]ElectricBugs -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You're making connections between issues that are not related.

Welfare and other rights for women in legal sense has nothing to do with women not owing men anything. This is literally you chucking a tantrum for women saying no to you and other men.

[–]sebasTLCQG 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Nah, just explaining up how your false equivalencies dont work, if Women dont owe shit, then Men dont owe shit and we get a low trust more barbaric society.

Rights have responsabilities attached, it´s not a one way street. The subsidies obtained through welfare dont come up out of thin air, provider men have to cough up for that, when governments want to force men into it they print money or add digits into the economy through inflation, so providers either pay for it in tax or on the grocery bill.

We are like Rome on the edge of collapse and people dont notice it, society runs on Trust, those people can afford subsidies in 1st world countries, because they are devellopped due to high trust in institutions and people, once that trust goes away you gotta pay the piper.

If I get scammed in a 3rd world hellhole it´s one thing, it´s a low trust society, it´s expected to happen, if that happens in 1st world countries like it has been happening to men for a while now, thats when it becomes a problem, see men just like women expect some degree of trust in institutions and people when they live in 1st world countries but things like no fault divorce, 19th, and a bunch of other laws that disadvantage men arent placing any such trust on men and as a result there are consequences attached once men start distrusting said institutions.

[–]ElectricBugs -4 points-3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Men don't pay welfare or decides laws the government does.

So yeah, your arguments are illogical and irrelevant.

Try again.

[–]sebasTLCQG 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Whats the highest provider job rate between men and women 🥱

To get your groceries on the supermarket on a daily basis you need supply chainers, those supply chainers only work in High Trust Societies and dont expect to be scammed.

So what happens during Hyperinflation that ruins everything?

Government sellout Men in order to have subsidized Welfare, it´s the law of Equivalent Exchange, there are no Free Lunches, there´s a cost to everything in Existence and the cost of Women having Favourable power in court over men, is that men have disfavourable power in court compared to women.

As a result it´s a luxury for a man to trust the court´s whereas for a woman it´s a commodity.

[–]zastale 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gigabased.

[–]ElectricBugs -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

do you believe the 2020 election was stolen?

Because you sound like someone who would

[–]Draken3000 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re an actual NPC.

“Errr durr I’m getting roasted alive here, how can I bring this back? Aha! Connect him to Trump! That’ll show em!”

Utterly pathetic, you don’t have any counter arguments to the guy but you’re emotionally invested, so you’re jumping to the classic fallback of attempting to shame.

[–]zastale 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I genuinely laughed out loud reading her response.

[–]sebasTLCQG 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who knows, Trump got the loss he enabled for anyway.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

talking shot about women

i'm describing them and their thought process. you seem to display the one i described.

They don't.

ok, take this premise to its fullest conclusion from a male perspective and you get this post: if they don't owe you shit and don't lift a finger, most of them mooch on uncle sam for most of their lives and the benefits of their endeavors don't trickle down, why give a shit about them besides the barest of necessities for mutual survival? might as well be walking money black holes for all the difference it makes to average guys. not to women themselves - this is obvious. yet we think it's "mean" and "rude" if a guy doesn't give his seat up to a pregnant woman on the bus or help a single mom carry groceries in the store, why? there is no contract or agreement between them.

so do women do anything that should draw interest from you aside from having a vagànîa? if you have no answer, congrats: i don't either and we're on the same page, move on to the next post.

[–]zastale 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Expecting women to see it from the other side: an impossible request.

[–]ElectricBugs 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The other side is not taking away rights or welfare from women because they won't fuck you.

[–]ElectricBugs 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No you don't.

When women say they don't owe men shit, they mean that women do not owe men sex. They do not have to do be in relationship with men. They don't have to lower their standards or choose you. It's called free choice.

That has nothing to do with welfare or taking away rights from women to punish them for not wanting to have sex with you.

The fact that you think that is a logical is the problem. Not that women don't owe you anything. They do not.

Most women do not get to choose what man they want. Women who choose men to partner often act against their own interests in doing so. Women having freedom of choice should not be so threatening for you that you then say well then I will take away things in an act to punish and control you. That says a lot about your mentality. Not about women.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

i'm not against welfare at all or NEETs of either gender, and i'm not interested in revenge. i just see the absence of contracts and cooperation between the sexes for what it is.

Women who choose men to partner often act against their own interests in doing so.

eh nah i don't think so. no woman has ever fucked or dated a guy for charity, there's always something she thinks she's getting. be it money, stability, an orgasm or validation. what you read into it is your own conclusion, not mine.

Most women do not get to choose what man they want.

there is no gun to their head. they can't choose what they want, because they can't pick their sexuality i agree. but they can choose what they do with the man they want. if she can choose to reject one man, then she is also making her choice when she accepts another. i personally don't believe in free will, but i believe in moral responsibility.

anyway, you like rights, me too, i want some sweet-ass rights too, but rights only exist in societies with cooperation between people that make concessions to one another. you're pro-choice for your vagene. good for you, i wouldn't want to live in a dystopia where someone else decides who uses it. likewise, i'm pro-choice about my money being redistributed to the parents of kids i didn't have from pussy i didn't get. we are actually on the same side! you get to have all your chads and i get to order more nuggets at KFC. and if you get employed, my mom can't steal your paycheck by giving me more siblings. how's that?

[–]ElectricBugs 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Rights, welfare and laws exist due to the government.

It has nothing to do with women not fucking or dating men because they choose not to do so.

Your angry rant is misplaced

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

those things are related. what do you think the goverment is made of, why do you think the state as an institution exists and who do you think pays for it? if you aren't connecting the dots, then that's enough of this thread for today.

[–]Draken3000 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

She has no idea how any of this even works, she’s just being tribalistic for womens’ sake. Definitely part of the problem.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

guess its because she doesnt need to

[–]Draken3000 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its kinda amazing, isn’t it? The arrogance? The certainty? The outrage? When she doesn’t even know how the system she lives off of works, she’s just mad because you dared shine an unflattering light on women.

Its no wonder men are giving up on them.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

most men aren't giving up on women no matter what, it's why onlyfans is still a viable career for many

i think she knows, it's just the old "we see what we want to see"

[–]ElectricBugs 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So this really has nothing to do with women saying they owe men nothing. It has everything to do with you wanting to say fuck women then they get nothing. That's just really obvious misogyny and dumb

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

say fuck women then they get nothing

i did ctrl+f and only found this text in your comment

[–]crypto_druid -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

There is no flip side argument.

either women owe you something or they don’t.

your success as a man is determined by how hard you work in life, and the currency of hard work is suffering and uncomfortability. Two factors that incels avoid like the plague.

i have endured that suffering and discomfort and have reaped the rewards for my dedication to discomfort and doing things I don’t want to do. You think I have any pity for boys who avoid suffering and discomfort. I have zero pity at all, becuase I didn’t choose comfort, I chose suffering and now i get to reap the benefits

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

There is no flip side argument.

that is for all men to collectively decide

You think I have any pity for boys who avoid suffering and discomfort.

no but what sort of suffering did you even choose anyway

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Men are not a collective mind, simply deciding something doesn’t wish it into reality.

The same suffering that all successful men have to endure, doing things they dont want to do becuase they know ultimately it will help them to mature and develop as men and increase their value, it’s not just women who seek out hard working men, men do too. You reap what you sew.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Men are not a collective mind, simply deciding something doesn’t wish it into reality.

i agree and i must have misspoken if i implied this what i meant is men as a market

doing things they dont want to do becuase they know ultimately it will help them to mature and develop as men and increase their value

hey im all for eudaimonia

You reap what you sew.

sow* (sowing is putting seeds in the ground, sewing is fastening two peices of fabric together with string) and hard work might be necessary for those of us whose daddy aint a billionaire but it is not sufficient

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, life is hard work for the average guy.

Don't expect sympathy if you aren't prepared to work at it.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

im aware i gotta work or die and im also aware that a good majority of western women won't need to make this decision as long as they're willing to get paid to shit out kids, write a link in their bio or keep guys on a rolodex (which is to say, willing to make poor choices)

[–]crypto_druid 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dont worry about what other people have to do or don't have to do.

Worry about what you need to do.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

every man got to know if he's being treated fairly or not

i know of no woman who has ever been made to feel lesser for choosing to live a life of ass-sitting and mooching on others and i know the difference between how a woman treats a guy she's attracted to and one she's not. that's not something the adults in my life ever taught me, they'd've whooped my ass for even asking.

[–]crypto_druid 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

See my above post.

And God bless you.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you too hope for the best

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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