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The probability of success is the most important thing

March 10, 2023

This is why depressed incels exist, if you get rejected or simply ignored too often your self-esteem and well being are going to get worse. People (and some incels too) think that getting laid once or getting a gf solves the problem, NO it doesn't. To truly solve the problem most incels should become attractive to the point that having genuine (not paid) sex becomes something relatively easy.

Personally I consider a probability of success of around 20% the minimum acceptable

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Title The probability of success is the most important thing
Author l00ks-p1lled
Upvotes 5
Comments 16
Date March 10, 2023 12:33 AM UTC (2 weeks ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
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[–]gruckendudBlackPill 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

As someone who was able to get laid 3 years ago and was able to attain some success at that time you are definetely right, it solved nothing. My current situation with women is worse than it has ever been. Last night I was trying to use a dating app (ok cupid), and matched with a short fat mexican girl (only 4,11), couldn't even hold her attention for more than 2 messages.

I am on plenty of fish right now trying to see if I can attract the ugliest most digusting old woman to have sex with and even that seems impossible since they unmatch me as soon as I send them a message.

I try to think of the type of girl that would have sex with me and I am starting to come to the conclusion that it does not exist. If a girl has even a single tiny feature that might be slightly attractive then she is out of my league, and most men's leagues.

I feel completely hopeless at this point, not even the ugliest fattest girls view me as a human being.

I am grateful that I was able to lose my virginity, but as someone who has actually managed to have sex with decent looking girls in the past I know there are many who are far worse off than me. If it is impossible for me to be viewed as a human being, I can not imagine what it would be like for many other men.

I think at this point the vast majority of men are incels. I don't understand how any non-chads out there could possibly be having sex at all let alone a success rate of more than 20%. I would go as far as to say 60-70% of men are incels.

[–]l00ks-p1lled[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The type of girl that wants to have sex with you is the one that finds you physically attractive, if you can't find it you need to become more attractive

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No shit

[–]whateverthrowaway202 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What exactly changed in 3 years to where you can’t get laid now?

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

sorry for the long reply but like I said, I feel like living in a major city helps a lot, but also I had a very nice apartment that I was able to live in. It was duing the peak of covid which could have possibly helped. Idk for sure what the actual case is

[–]whateverthrowaway202 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you white?

[–]gruckendudBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I am

[–]jackedsoon 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

how does an incel getting laid or having a girlfriend not solve the problem?

[–]l00ks-p1lled[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

because the issue of being a low value male would remain, most incels would recognize that they just got lucky and that if they break up they're back to square one, you have to be bluepilled to not realize this. Maybe it wouldn't be an issue if they found the ideal woman that is going to love them unconditionally, but realistically this wouldn't happen

[–]crypto_druid 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as unconditional love, if you can’t fulfil needs in others, no one is going to love you.

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess one of the cruces of this issue is that your looks (which are almost entirely determined by genetics), play a huge factor in whether or not you can get a woman to love you romantically. And that really is not something you can change, geniune attraction cannot be negotiated.

Women are the sexual selectors of nature, they set the baseline bar for what standards men need to meet before they are even considered a viable partner. If men cannot meet those standards, even if it's because of factors they have zero control of, they will not be selected.

[–]crypto_druid 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

focus on what you can control, everything plays a factor and most else is in your control

[–]l00ks-p1lled[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if you focus on things you can control your chanches of success are going to improve only a bit (unless you're fat and secretely handsome under the fat)

[–]crypto_druid 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as you continue to work, you will get better.

You don't just focus on things for a while and then you suddenly switch from sucking to expert and then quit focusing and put your feet up.

You progressively focus throughout your life and get better at a very slow rate, like evolution, it's not instant, it's slow and monotonous and tedious a lot of the time.

Improvement isn't something that you can catapult. It's a life long endeavour

We will never have it all figured out. This is the beauty of life. We will never arrive at some mystical vantage point where everything is now clear before our eyes. And that's ok; it's not important. The only important thing is to love the mystery that surrounds our journey

[–]KirthWGersen 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is another way of looking at it.

I don't think in terms of probabilities, although it is quite possible that my chances of sex with a woman I talk to are less than 5%.

I go out, meet people, act in such a way as to make having sex a possibility, but I don't focus on that. I focus on enjoying myself, having a great time, meeting men and women, and enriching my life. Women subtly, or not so subtly, make their intentions known if they are interested.

If I end up having sex, that is great. But if I don't, I have had a wonderful time, so it really doesn't matter.

In my experience, the by-product all of this is that I end up having more opportunities for sex than I care to take.

[–]l00ks-p1lled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I do too because I don't like being openly rejected, but always being ignored and skipped hurts in the long run. I've seen how it plays out for attractive guys, they act this way most times and they get the interest

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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