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What actually do they mean by patriachical and toxic masculinity

September 12, 2022
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I don’t understand what these libtards mean by patriachical and toxic masculinity. Can anyone help me decode these terms?

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Title What actually do they mean by patriachical and toxic masculinity
Author gilamonster69
Upvotes 2
Comments 23
Date September 12, 2022 9:23 AM UTC (2 months ago)
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[–]Glad-Discount-4761 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know but I see toxic masculinity as someone with anger issues,can't control himself to behave

[–]mean_bean_machine 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if it's a woman who can't control their anger or behave?

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then she is immature mean woman

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When it doesn't benefit them, it's part of the patriarchy. Like the blue pill, it's a huge cope to not take responsibility for their own choices in life and blame someone else for their problems.

Not making a lot of money? Wage gap.

Not being successful with dates? Toxic masculinity.

Being overweight? Blame it on male beauty standards.

Anyone who points out the ridiculousness of their ideology? Part of the patriarchy.

Feminism is victim ideology. It only teaches women they are the victim and men are the oppressor.

[–]gilamonster69[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The victim part would be the modern day feminism not the first feminism back in the day?

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's always a mix of victim/perpetrator in all movements. Even the red pill and black pill has a mix of that.

Early day feminism had good points about people taking responsiblity for their own destiny. I agree with that premise.

Modern day feminism has a lot of bad points about blaming others. I don't agree with that. I look around me and all I see are spoiled millennial. It begs the question. What came first? Victim culture or spoiled brats? These things feed off each other in a symbiotic relationship. I see people with houses over their head, food to eat and a car to drive complaining about how fucking hard life is. Fucking spoiled. How bout building a new life, in a foreign country, with 2 fucking suitcase and three babies? Yeah. That's what my parents did.

So I say fuck all you people who cry about having a hard life. You're god damn spoiled and I don't give one flying fuck about the struggles you've been through. The only victim you are of, is a victim of your own stupidity and uselessness. /rant

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly why I don't identify as a feminist. I just don't resonate with the victim mentality they want women to have at all. I do however like the message of taking control over your own life and destiny, but it's not like I'd need to join a movement of feminists to do that.

[–]AnActualPerson 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not being successful with dates? Toxic masculinity.

That's not what toxic masculinity is and you know it.

[–]Slipthe 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Toxic masculinity involves cultural pressures for men to behave in a certain way. The pressure to be tough, to not be feminine, to hustle, at a detriment to yourself or those around you.

Some examples are when men refuse to go to doctors because it makes them feel weak, refusing to reach out for mental health, a higher likelihood to be racist against ethnic backgrounds you don't deem as masculine enough, feeling compelled to get violent to protect your pride, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. There's just masculinity by men who women think shouldn't be acting masculine. There's just "unattractive man trying to act like attractive man".

[–]Slipthe 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's not it at all.

Toxic masculinity exists even when no women are present.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No. I disagree. The things that you think are issues for men, are not even issues. It's just that women think they should be issues for men, so people believe they are.

They're not. Like, not at all. And certainly, those things you listed are not "toxic masculinity". They're nonissues. They don't even register with us men. They register with women because women don't like them. They don't affect us men, so they're not issues to us.

[–]Slipthe 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They don't even register with us men

Because you personally haven't suffered. Doesn't mean all men are the same.

[–]cryptothrow2 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Toxic masculinity used to mean those things a man couldn't do because of his role in society. Especially relating to work. E.G a man would be looked down on for taking time off to take care of a sick kid or not allowed to immunize. Now it's with respect to stuff you do instead. Yoi should note the change in rhetoric

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy - anytime a man says no or enforces his boundaries or voices his preferences it is "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" - what they want are men who are submissive slaves.

[–]catniagara 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Patriarchy: describes people in power who exploit others for resources. The term “patriarchy” is used because most world leaders are male, and many nations are distinctly anti-female with some even passing laws to subjugate and murder women.

Toxic masculinity describes a series of behaviours normalized for and often forced upon boys and men that work against the betterment of society and of themselves as individuals. The idea that men must fit in/conform to a pattern of behaviour that destroys society and their own lives and self worth.

Toxic, like a disease.

As an example today I saw a man ranting because Calvin Klein ads don’t look the way they did in the 90’s.

He cited a specific ad campaign where 14 year old Kate Moss was photographed mostly nude with then-21 year old Mark Wahlberg. Moss has since spoken out about being forced to get naked, having breakdowns and literally crying on set, being drugged and abused. Wahlberg meanwhile was expected to ignore and dehumanize this 14 year old child being exploited, make repeated sexual comments about her, and flaunt his “giant” schlong so that a then-50 year old male designer could make a name for his brand.

It’s men in their 50+ creating media and norms that are meant to make themselves look more attractive to women young enough to be their children, and encourage younger, stronger men to act like garbage. That’s also what is meant by “rape culture”.

The same rich, entitled male culture that sends young boys off to war keeps the girls they would have dated home and terrified. The same toxic masculinity that convinces teenaged boys every guy but them is getting laid convinces teenaged girls their bodies should be for sale and on display.

It’s all connected back to the same groups of rich people: the patriarchy. The Donald Trumps of the world who hang out with the Jeffrey Epsteins of the world who supply underaged prostitutes and models to the Victoria’s Secrets of the world and it all gets vomited into film studios that make overblown “teen dramas” to again beat us over the head with the idea that everyone is beautiful and rich and having sex literally ALL the time…oh except you.

They sell it all back to the same poor people they’re exploiting, as somehow aspirational. With an insane price tag.

When referring to a person, it means someone who displays the traits admired by toxic masculinity/femininity. Someone who has been brainwashed so hard they actively work against their own best interest to feel like “the manliest man” or “the most likeable woman”

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Time for a new tinfoil hat. This one youre wearing is getting heavy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the best answer here so far I like it although I disagree with the idea toxic masculinity sells idea that everyone is getting laid but them

[–]catniagara -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant they sell the idea that they are getting laid and the only way to get laid is to be them and the only women you’re allowed to want are the ones they tell you to want, aka the only ones their crusty asses can get, or force on their sons lol. And women are the only gender you’re allowed to want.

[–]IHateNormis 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A non attractive man acting like how only an attractive man is allowed to act

Not a female btw

[–]gilamonster69[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For example?

[–]IHateNormis 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Metoo, Chads are allowed to do all those things

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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