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What are the main reasons driving women to become more masculine over the years? Is it something they want, or a result of societal/media pressure?

September 8, 2022
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This is referring to western culture, such as in USA, UK, Canada, Australia, Scandinavia, these countries. It might be different in other cultures around the world.

I'm sure you have all noticed women these days act very masculine and manly. This include things like:

- being loud/confrontational/non-agreeable (traits you would more likely associate with a man)

- being career-driven and ultra competitive (again, traits that are associated with a man)

- drinking large quantities of alcohol, the level of alcohol even most grown men would struggle to drink

- eating large quantities of food, more than the level of food that is recommended for a grown man (2500kcal a day is recommended for an average man)

- having large amounts of sex with many partners, often casual indiscriminate sex, engaging in bdsm, rough sex

- getting tattoos and piercings, which makes them look more manly

- increased participation in traditionally male activities, like lifting heavy weights, putting on lots of muscle, taking steroids which turn them more into a man

At the same time, they want to shirk their female responsibilities, like being mothers (many want to be child free) or being good mothers (many women still having sex with chads and going out partying even though they have a young kid to look after). Not wanting to do household chores, not wanting to cook, and so on.

So what do you think? What is driving this push for women to become more like men? Is it pressure from society and media, or do women enjoy being like men as much as possible?

(Btw I've tried asking this question in PPD, but it always gets people butthurt in that subreddit, because they start asking you to define what masculine is, then when you give some examples, they say "that's not masculine!!!" when it clearly is. Then it descends into this autistic discussion of defining terms and no one can agree on anything. So I've come to this subreddit instead where the discussion is more level headed and normal)

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Title What are the main reasons driving women to become more masculine over the years? Is it something they want, or a result of societal/media pressure?
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Date September 8, 2022 9:28 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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[–]mcove97NeutralPill 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure you have all noticed women these days act very masculine and manly.

Yes I have. I myself act very masculine for instance.

This include things like:

  • being loud/confrontational/non-agreeable (traits you would more likely associate with a man)

Because beeing a pushover and a doormat isn't cool. Because you don't get what you want by being quiet, non confrontational and agreeable. Not to mention you get easily exploited and abused and taken advantage of (speaking from personal experience).

However men get what they want when they have the traits you posted. I'm applying what works for men for myself, and it's working.

  • being career-driven and ultra competitive (again, traits that are associated with a man)

Because to have financial freedom, independence and security, you need to be career driven and competitive. Money don't come your way by sitting on your ass, unless you wanna leech off a man. Personally I don't want to leech off of a man, and also I don't want to be dependent on a man to provide for me. Why? Because then if they dump me or I dump them I'm not financially secure or free and I may not be able to take care of myself. Also, I'd be stuck in a bad relationship because of that.

  • drinking large quantities of alcohol, the level of alcohol even most grown men would struggle to drink

This I don't know. All I know is that I used to drink large quantities of alcohol, because well, it was fun until it wasn't anymore. Also, a liberal culture means people can do whatever the f they want.

  • eating large quantities of food, more than the level of food that is recommended for a grown man (2500kcal a day is recommended for an average man)

I think this is an issue predominantly in the US. As someone from a Scandinavian country, women here aren't that obese. This phenomenon is probably due to the ungodly amounts of junk food that is accessible and cheap in the US.

  • having large amounts of sex with many partners, often casual indiscriminate sex, engaging in bdsm, rough sex

Sex is pleasurable. If you have the freedom to experience insane amounts of pleasure, why wouldn't you? Speaking as a woman who would put a bdsm experience on the pleasure level of certain drugs. Women have more freedom to enjoying their sexuality, so of course they would participate in these things if they would like to and have the opportunity to do that. Myself included. Sex is pleasure. In the past, it was probably way harder for women to explore their sexuality, but now, many societies are becoming more liberal and these things are more widely accepted. Great for those of us who wanna enjoy sex in all the shapes and sizes and ways it comes in!

  • getting tattoos and piercings, which makes them look more manly

Purely an opinion. Lots of women look feminine with tattoos and piercings. This probably comes down to overall styling, body type etc.

  • increased participation in traditionally male activities, like lifting heavy weights, putting on lots of muscle, taking steroids which turn them more into a man

This I can't really speak much for because I hate excercising lol, but yeah, they probably get a boost from training just like guys do. My brother says he gets a rush and an Energy boosts from lifting and it makes him feel good. And that's probably true for women too.

At the same time, they want to shirk their female responsibilities, like being mothers (many want to be child free

Being female doesn't mean I'm responsible for breeding. Ew.

Sheesh. What an outdated and primitive way of thinking. I'm an intellectual woman who can think for myself, think rationally and logically. I know that breeding, or creating a "replica" of myself doesn't benefit my life. It will destroy my body, my beauty and my physical and mental health and maybe even risk my life. Not only that but a child would require me to put a lot of time, energy and effort and resources into the child, as well as finances, which would be detrimental to my physical and mental well being as well as very detrimental to my bank account and beauty as exhaustion and stress would kill my beauty. Women generally retain their beauty and health much better if they don't go through childbirth and raising children.

Not wanting to do household chores, not wanting to cook, and so on.

These tasks suck. I hate doing these chores. Don't you? I mean, we all like crisp sheets and a hot warm dinner but not everyone likes cleaning or making food. I know I don't. I just like the clean house and the hot food. I don't think women were ever inbuilt with a natural desire to clean or cook. It was just a designated task for them and now it's no longer required of them.

So what do you think? What is driving this push for women to become more like men? Is it pressure from society and media, or do women enjoy being like men as much as possible?

It's the result of a much more liberal society that encourages women to go their own way and pursue what the hell they want. some are gonna want to do traditional things and some are going to do untraditional things. That's the nature of freedom and liberty. When women and men aren't forced into traditional gender roles, some people who don't feel like they fit those roles are naturally gonna break free if they have the opportunity to do so.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect example of what I was talking about in my example on the top level, thanks!

[–]Final-Hazard -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

What bitchy and entitled response. Nobody says you can’t do any of that. But your response is why people don’t like women like you. A primitive response? Oh shit, watch out for Einstein over here. Could you be anymore condescending and unlikable. Ugh

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Ya I'm sorta bitchy I guess, but I like to dramatize shit for the fun of it when I'm bored. Entitled response? Perhaps. I'm entitled to my opinion so are you. I don't care that people I disagree with don't like me, because I don't like them either. Also, people who agree with me like me lol. While I wouldn't say I have the brains of Einstein at all, I definitely am an independent thinker who can think critically for myself lol. It's also funny that you say I'm condescending because sure, I am condescending, but also, you're condescending too, which makes you a hypocrite.. last I checked hypocrites come across as unlikable too. Loool.

I'm just a clever woman who likes to outsmart people. People get triggered by that not my problem.

[–]Final-Hazard 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

“I’m just a clever woman that likes to outsmart people” Lol, no you’re not.

Please don’t let the Patrick profile pic fool you. Im pretty well traveled, through work and just fun in general. I’ve met a lot of people and I’ll pass on a universal truth, nobody cares, nobody is triggered.

You’re not that smart, you’re probably on medication, nobody is checking for you. Op asked a simple question and you’re immediate response was to “Girl Boss , Hear me roar!” It’s not attractive, it’s not endearing, even if you were a guy people would still roll their eyes. People who read like you are generally unbearable. Get over yourself

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, you don't know me. I'm pretty smart but you can disagree. I'm also pretty well traveled, through work and fun and in general. I've met a lot of people as well. Anyway, my impression was that you got triggered by my comment. You of course may not feel like you were triggered.

You’re not that smart

How would you know? You don't know me. I may not seem smart to you, just like you seem triggered to me. Again, we don't actually know each other. This is just our perception of each other.

you’re probably on medication

No I'm actually not.

nobody is checking for you.

Checking my non existent need for medication? Of course not.

Op asked a simple question and you’re immediate response was to “Girl Boss

Yep, and your immediate response was to act bothered lol.

Hear me roar!” It’s not attractive, it’s not endearing

I wasn't trying to be attractive or endearing to strangers on the internet, so I don't care.

even if you were a guy people would still roll their eyes.

That was the whole goddamn point. It's entertaining AF to make people who disagree roll their eyes by exaggerating shit.

People who read like you are generally unbearable. Get over yourself

So? Then I'm unbearable. And naah I won't get over myself lol.

And from my POV, people such as yourself are just as condescending and unbearable, so like what's your point? That you're somehow not condescending or judgemental? That you're somehow better than me?

So like, what's your point? People are different. People have different opinions. You get over it lol

[–]AnActualPerson 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You must be a total bitch for reacting like this to someone honestly answering questions for women. Get a tougher skin before posting anymore.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Why can't we be free to define masculinity and femininity in our own individual way?

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well women want a manly man. They don't want a man who looks or acts like a woman. Norah Vincent, the woman who lived life as a man and recently killed herself, found that one out the hard way.

So it's not quite as simple as defining masculinity and femininity in your own way.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well women want a manly man. They don't want a man who looks or acts like a woman.

Women like that are only ever going to spiritually bleed you dry. They're too toxic for any kind of stable relationship. Sometimes failing with women is less horrifying than succeeding with them.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, how old are you?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Old enough to know you're not mature enough for a mentally stable relationship, or to converse with intelligent men.

[–]WickedBiscuit 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

I see your question here and absolutely endorse a persons’ right to define anything in anyway they want. However it makes the definitions irrelevant when you do that. It’s similar to saying well even though there is definition for the word/object hammer, I am going to define every hammer I see as a a four legged animal that barks, for example. It makes the word and definition void.

Something that helps me with fem/masc understanding is how it is used in the spiritual sense. In spirituality, feminine is anything receptive and masculine is anything penetrative. The feminine is associated with the color black and the masculine with light, hence yin and Yang.

I may be mixing them up but Yin refers to the side of the river that receives shade from the trees while yang refers to the side that is getting just light if you want to create an image to explain it.

God is considered masculine bc it is the underlying force penetrating all things and matter/material world is considered feminine because it receives this energy. There is a saying in spirituality that truly devout people are the “bride of god” man or woman, because they open to receive him/it. The idea in a lot of eastern religions is that to become one with god, one must open completely to “the mother” aka all of experience, aka be completely feminine/submissive to receive the penetrative force that is god. It has nothing to do with being “girly” or feminine in that sense, but completely open to receive god. The idea is that you get to the father by becoming the mother.

So aside from the common conceptions of masculine is hairy sweaty go getter and feminine is dainty sweet and quiet (just generalizing) there is a broader, less material definition of masc/fem that does serve a descriptive purpose. You can see it in a lot of imagery in religion ie Mary receiving Jesus from God and materially manifesting him as god in the flesh. Shakti dancing (manifesting) atop shiva(the ground, the base) and so on.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I see your question here and absolutely endorse a persons’ right to define anything in anyway they want. However it makes the definitions irrelevant when you do that.

Full stop right there. That's actually a very good thing if you believe in the concept of individual liberty.

[–]WickedBiscuit 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Yes, to a degree, but there are implied consequences to this behavior when unchecked.

People are free to define other races as inferior, yes that is their individual liberty, but does it provide anything positive to our experience?

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, to a degree, but there are implied consequences to this behavior when unchecked.

True, you run into bullshit from people that you'd never want as company much less a romantic partner.

People are free to define other races as inferior, yes that is their individual liberty, but does it provide anything positive to our experience?

Wait, since when has race had anything to do with how one decides to behave with regards to gender roles? WTF?

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

making the world irrelevant has nothing to do with liberty

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because people define them in a way that makes them feel superior, not in any useful way that shares commonality with the rest of us. That's how you get shit like this

[–]EulenWatcher 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women got more "masculine", because it helps with career advancement and getting around in this world overall. If we define masculinity as being active and femininity as being passive, being feminine isn't really beneficial. It puts you into a dependent position where the quality of your life depends greatly on whether your husband wants to treat you well or not. We've seen too many examples of things going south for traditionally feminine women. If you're week and meek, you gonna get stomped on. So to answer your question - some women want to be this way, others do it in order to adapt to the world around them.

Alcohol consumption and overeating aren't masculine or feminine though, these are just unhealthy coping mechanisms that both genders are affected by. And most women don't really exhibit all/most behavior you're talking about here.

To put it short, traditional femininity isn't beneficial to women anymore.

[–]BASEDWOMENRESPECTOR 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

All these things would be traditionally disincentivized by society, but those societal 'memetic' structures have eroded (for a variety of reasons).
Think of how in the Victorian-era there was all sorts elaborate social etiquette, which was perhaps too filtered e.g. if you had to go to the bathroom you had to essentially fabricate some lie (or just hold it in which was more common) because even hinting at bodily function was considered highly improper. We're basically at the complete opposite end of the spectrum where no such filters are in place regarding any social matter.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. That explains why it happens, but doesn't explain why, when filters are removed, women naturally default to masculine behavior.

So why do you think when filters are removed, women default to this masculine type behavior? It must surely mean that women never wanted to act like women in the first place? They like being men, just with female physical parts.

[–]BASEDWOMENRESPECTOR 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think it's because traditionally gender roles are tied to sort of very pragmatic (borderline biological really) societal expectations.
Women give birth and breastfeed so it naturally follows they would take care of the kids. If you have kids to take care of, obviously you have to stay at home. If you're at home all day, it would make sense you also cook and clean and do other domestic duties.
Likewise men are biologically simply physically significantly stronger than women so naturally they would perform labor, or concern themselves with warfare. If you're out and about chopping down trees (or heads) naturally you can't take care of the kids and cook, and so on.

This is a sort of simplistic example, but hopefully you can see how 'gender roles' are shaped by pragmatic necessity. At least that's the way it used to be in until somewhat recently. If you want to survive in 500 B.C Syria you NEED women to do women stuff and men to do men stuff, or your whole village quite literally dies. Again this is extremely simplified and society and culture is magnitudes more complex than this, but hopefully you see what I'm saying.
In Western society there is an unprecedented amount of abundance and this allows for people to behave in ways that traditionally they would have been disincentivized from.

Women can fuck around for example because of birth control, state welfare, the ability to support themselves through work, etc. There's no need for chastity anymore.
Meanwhile in 600 A.D. France you whore around too much all of the sudden you have an illegitimate child, nobody wants to be a cuck and feed a mouth that's not his, now you're a complete dead weight to your tribe/village. Not difficult to see why society would grow to disincentivize that behavior.

Hopefully, you get the point.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair enough. Thanks that's a great explanation! Given that so few women can cook and so many of them are really messy (judging by the rooms I've seen of women, which were always a pigsty), it must mean that women never wanted to do this stuff. They were bound to it through duty/necessity.

But something like having children, a majority of women still want to do that in this day and age, even though they don't have to.

[–]anonymous-platypus1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yo have you seen childbirth or watched a newborn baby’s for a week straight? It’s terrible. No one should do that unless they really want kids. And there is no benefit to having kids anymore: it’s expensive, time consuming and usually puts a strain on the relationship you took years to cultivate. Women should only be having kids when they are absolutely certain they are ready. Not just because biology demands it.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

2nd this view. Society has changed in such a radical way that it's no longer necessary for women to do women things and men to do men things. That means people are gonna do what they want rather than what they "need" to or "have" to do to fulfill their role in society.

[–]blueberrypie02 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because you label a lot of ‘stuff’ as being masculine when in fact it’s not. Eating and drinking a lot? Those are vices that people use to compensate something in their lives. Tattoos and piercings have always been an expression of self, not just a ‘man’ thing. For example wigs, heels and make up were manly in the past-do you consider the man that don’t wear wigs nowadays un-manly?

Engaging in bdsm is not inherently masculine-if women don’t do it, that means men do it only with other men?

Also there is a difference between society telling you what you should do and you actually wanting that-some men AND women want to be childfree. They don’t represent the majority but if you call childfree women ‘manly’, what s the term for childfree men?

[–]BumblingBeta[S] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Eating and drinking the level that is recommended for a man. It's stretching the definition of masculine a little bit, but I still see it as masculine. You're consuming things at the level a man should consume things. Stuffing your face or chugging down loads of alcohol, it's unladylike in most people's view.

Tattoos and piercings, again it's open to interpretation, but if you surveyed people whether you believe a heavily tattooed woman looked masculine or feminine, majority of people would say masculine. Tattoos and piercings are associated with toughness and pain, which are traditionally masculine traits.

Bdsm and rough sex, same logic as the tattoos and piercings.

Childfree women are shirking their biological imperative to have offspring. People generally associate women with having children and being mothers, at least I do. No one really cares whether a man doesn't have children, but it's a big deal when a woman doesn't.

[–]Hekinsieden 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't women need more calories to carry children though? Wouldn't my mate survive the winter better with a little padding and have bigger breasts to produce milk for babies?

[–]blueberrypie02 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I come from a more traditional culture, men are deffinetly asked when they are getting married and having children. All parents want grandkids from their sons.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll just drop this comment here too but In BDSM, you have subs and Dom's. The sub role is the feminine submissive role and the dom role is the masculine role. Most women who participate in bdsm are subs, and most men who participate in it are doms. (Some are switches and play both roles)

So this doesn't really add up with your argument about bdsm being manly. You may say a dominatrix is manly, but that's a smaller subgroup of bdsm practitioner's, and to my awareness there haven't been like a massive increase in dominatrixes in the community.

[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess you could argue that being a dom is being masculine and being a sub is feminine, so it doesn't really make sense to say bdsm is manly, especially not if you consider that the sub role is feminine, and most women are subs, while most men are doms, which OP didn't seem to consider. They're probably not too familiar with bdsm tho.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

must surely mean that women never wanted to act like women in the first place? They like being men, just with female physical parts.

Pretty much yeah

[–]RealNiceLady 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's something we want.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why do you want to live like a man so badly?

[–]RealNiceLady 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

We think it's better and more fun.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But you would still like to be treated like a woman when it benefits you?

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course

[–]anonymous-platypus1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by being treated like a woman?

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

So what do you think? What is driving this push for women to become more like men?

Funny to see you, of all people, make this post.

You wouldn't be surprised to hear an unhappy employee quit a shitty job with an abusive boss. It would be obvious that that person saw little value in their role and bailed.

Yet men sat here our whole lives calling everything we are and everything we do beneath them. Lesser. They abused with impunity and call their feverish obssession with pussy an honor.

And now you sit here and confused why women quit.

Men said women present all things low value to society. If a trait is feminine, its weak. That we are just holes, being a mother and cleanign etc is nbd. Men called dependent women gold digging whores. The abuse and hatred is rampant. Men ignore their friends and family doing evil and tell women not all men, pick better men, as if anyone believes someone so callous is different

What is driving women to become more self sufficient (what you call being like men)?

The same thing that drove slaves to become free of the slave masters.

And just like the slavemasters did, men and their revisionist history writing are playing victim to "feminism" as if the average woman gives a shit about this

These topics go viral. Women have stated what they want. Men say no and double down on everything that makes them repugnant

No one dreams of labor. No one thinks working hard is "fun". This isnt feminism, its just the natural female drive to survive.

Yes, its that bad. Cheers.

[–]JollyFawn90 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If men are doubling down and saying no, how do women have the most freedoms they’ve ever had in the west. This is the thing that confuses me about patriarchy. You blame all the bad on men who are in power. You blame all of your success on women. But if men in power allowed women to gain power, why do we not blame the patriarchy for the women to gain the power in the first place? Why are you only responsible for the good and none of the bad when it comes to society?

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

If men are doubling down and saying no, how do women have the most freedoms they’ve ever had in the west.

...

  • All women aren't white women. Let's start there. I say that because your elementary comment shows me who youre talking about.

  • legal rights and what society is actually doing are not the same thing. When black slaves were freed, white society continued atrocities for decades and even now openly show clearly illegal hate, contempt, and abuse of power. Just like men do women

  • men are doubling down on their misogynistic rhetoric, uselessness, and obsession with pussy. What in the fuck does this have to do with fReEdoMs iN tHe WeSt

What fucking freedoms?

The freedom for a man to rape someone then sue her and her doctor and the cab driver who tried to get her an abortion?

The freedom for black and brown women to get slaughtered streams and live on social media in 2022 by any race of male and it not make any serious headline?

The freedom of a rising rate of femicide being ignored while everyone stops to coddle the weakshit testes of inadequate Gen Z and millenial men threatening everyones lives because they cant get pussy for free??

I try, I really do, to not be disgusted. But the way some of you think your bullshit recycled rhetoric and clear inability to think for yourselves or see the humanity of HALF the human race is why I am comforted by male bitching and suffering sometimes

Because there is nothing fair about having to be physically vulnerable to a bunch of braindead dick driven zombies who cant even contend with simple reasoning.

Nothing.

Anyone paying attention can see the drastic improvement in quality of life when women cut most men off.

You blame all the bad on men who are in power.

No, a lot of you "powerless" males are literal fucking terrorists. If not that, sex pests. If not that, abusers. It goes on. Then u act like its such a miniscule problem that the bystander effect results in most of us suffering male fucks.

You blame all of your success on women.

I credit women their just dues. Who in the fuck am i supposed to thank for being here? You? The people who act like life ends if we dont suck dick for your blue collar labor as if we dont fucking birth you? We are the reason you even exist

But if men in power allowed women to gain power, why do we not blame the patriarchy for the women to gain the power in the first place?

I have no idea what you are talking about. All i know is the most oppressed, all races of women, managed to fight their way out yet men today are blaming feminism, which doesnt run society, for their reasons to be shitty violent useless "partners".

Why are you only responsible for the good and none of the bad when it comes to society?

We get blamed for every ill of society. You are just another male who is so busy playing victim like an entire dillitante to notice.

Example, the manoshere literally blames single mothers for staying, not the men who abandoned them. Thats all fun and games til you find out several groups of women have been pushing to abort all sons to minimize male terrorism. Others are organizing for female gun usage pushing past the rules for protection because women go to their cars and see poison laced tissues stuffed in their handle of the car door. Mainstream women just finally caught on to the massive group chats men make to doxx and leak nudes and private info

It doesnt fucking end with men.

If you saw us as people, you could never speak such factually incorrect shit

This. This here is why women at large are now deciding life is better off without men. Most women will never cut all men off including me

But then men crying standards are too high right now are in a rude awakening. Female low standards are why our generation is full of useless males today.

While MGTOW larps, over the nexy year or so some of u will catch on to how seriously more women rather die alone with pets than deal with yall. There is a paradigm shift amongst women and yall are slow af

But what else is new

[–]JollyFawn90 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I stopped after “what freedoms.” This is the problem with you radicals. If you can’t even recognize progress and continue to say your in the same place as even just 100 years ago, there’s no rational discussion to be had. You’ve become too radicalized and not a damn thing will be achieved with someone who plays the perpetual victim, despite things being better than they have ever been for most people in the U.S. especially when it comes to rights for ALL people. It’s just a waste of time and I’d rather spend it on someone who can see that there’s progress to be made, but can recognize what progress has been made. If you can’t do that then I don’t want to be swallowed into your hole of perpetual negativity.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not expert.Some woman think man stuff is better.

They are just like,"I don't want to become man,I just rather not be woman"

I am masculine. I don't like being a woman and having to do even the basic grooming and skincare and makeup stuff You spend thousands of dollars and hours to be high maintenance(which doesn't last long) only to be replaced by younger women, have to compete with many other women .I’m so detached from womanhood I fail to understand how anyone can actually enjoy this stuff? Women are taught from a young age that their looks matters so it feels like most of them are groomed into feeling like they enjoy it. It just feels like decorating your cage and trying to cope with it by saying you genuinely enjoy it.

When I was in college, I remember guys making something,discussing and exchanging ideas and did project while I couldn't do that.I was jealous of them while I was just existing like stupid creature. I also wanted to be career-driven ,create something,do something good with it.Later ,I realised all this doesn't matter for women. I hated my hypergamous nature and wished I was man so that I wouldn't have so many demands.

I don't like to agree people immediately.I hate people assume I am angry or bitch or something.I disagree simple just because I don't believe what they said. Why as women,I should be agreeable to everything

I remember in work,I disagreed to someone and gave my reasons.Guy said,"Wow,you are like man". Honestly I was bit mad like women aren't supposed to be like that?

For me,best part I like is they no one would ask or bothering you why aren't you getting married.

At the same time, they want to shirk their female responsibilities, like being mothers (many want to be child free) or being good mothers (many women still having sex with chads and going out partying even though they have a young kid to look after).

Some women want to do this because it gives you ruined body and broken vagina and there is no way to bounce it back . That's reason I am glad I am infertile. So they don't see motherhood as worthy and feel like it is thankless job.

Deep inside, women know women and that's why hate each other, and try to overcome by wanting to live like man.Now all stuff have led to crazy results which everyone know. I am really jealous of woman who actually enjoy being woman because I struggle to do that.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's a compensation for the lack of masculinity in society. Like when a void is created, air rushes in to replace it.

Male masculinity has been on a steady decline over 50 years. If you want to get conspiratorial about it, it's a plan by the powers to be to make men more docile. Lower t levels are a strong indicator of this masculine decline. Now that I've open my eyes to what true masculinity is, all I see are weak beta bitches. Lack of stoism. Everyone is overly emotional. Skinny pants and man tits. It's a fucking disaster.

Women are pushed to fill this void by feminism. Feminism has only taught women to be more like men. Utterly unattractive. Women don't find femine men attractive. Men don't find masculine women attractive. It's this utopia idea that men and women are the same. It's unnatural and gross. It's obvious why they teach this shit when people are young. Because you can't question the difference between men and women when they barely hit puberty. It makes it sound more plausible. But the difference is clear as night and day when puberty is finished. But by that time, they're already brainwash.

Anyways, if you're a man, keep your t levels up boys. It's the hormones of the God's. Embrace it.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well beyond lifting weights, eating right, not consuming t-lowering substances, sleeping enough and avoiding too much stress, your t levels are fixed. So if they're still low after doing everything right, not much you can do other than plead with your doctor for TRT or take steroids.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men don't even know they have a low t problem. Once they do, they will do the things you mentioned.

[–]infinitofluxo 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It is a way to make men more docile

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How would the mechanism for that work? Surely men are seeing women acting masculine and thinking to themselves "hmmm I need to act even more masculine than these women"?

[–]infinitofluxo 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women act more masculine, so they can make things that their man might prefer not to, and then he becomes more feminine and willing to be leaded by her. Easy to control this kind of men.

[–]_Duriel_1000_ -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women act more masculine, so they can make things that their man might prefer not to,

give three masculine things women can make that men prefer not to

[–]SwaySh0t 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism/societal/Media pressure for sure. Generally speaking women operate in the hive mind they need others in their social circle to consign for them.

[–]250umdfail -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It goes hand in hand with men becoming more feminine. Sedentary jobs, lowering T, video games, porn, being couch potatoes, low physical activity, rising depression, low paying jobs difficult to support a family of four, etc.etc.

The only physiological advantage men have over women is physical strength. And in an environment where physical strength isn't required, or isn't prized enough, sexual dimorphism will absolutely go down. And it's not really such a bad thing.

[–]kokorwqac -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

masculinity and femininity are societal concepts, unless you are looking at literal biological effects

so society changed

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR5jThNj/

This account has many videos showing the main reasons

And the impulse for you lot to act like this is rare is another reason

Thank god for the top 20%. They'll do. And no they arent who males say they are.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who are the top 20% then?

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Here. One more. Couldn't be any more clear

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR569R5j/

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Watched the first 30 seconds. Yes that's correct. This is the fault of the rich who got richer at the expense of regular people. No way do people like Gates, Bezos and Musk need 100+ billion dollars. Even 1 billion is an absolutely gigantic quantity. 1,000,000,000 - that is how big 1 billion is and no human ever needs that much in their life, let alone a hundred of those. It's not just those 3 men. There's many rich oligarchs who remain anonymous worth similar amounts. Their money could be put to such good use in the world.

Then people say they love capitalism? You don't need full on communism, but a more socialist society would be much better.

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone has to be a Top.

Also, in fairness it goes both ways. Men are being raised to be defecive girls, the world femininity can offer. Women are being rased as defective men, and having their worst traits.

Thats why the 'boss bitch' type manish woman values binge drinking, getting laid and acting like an impulsive asshole, and 'nice guys' value being passive aggressive, caddy, conflict averse and emotionally fragile.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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