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What percentage of young, healthy, lean men do you think are undesirable to women?

January 19, 2023
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Title What percentage of young, healthy, lean men do you think are undesirable to women?
Author Lainsell
Upvotes 12
Comments 91
Date January 19, 2023 4:12 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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[–]puririnpa 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Plasticsurgerycel

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who?

[–]puririnpa 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

''to plasticsurgerycel''

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh?

[–]zastale 7 points8 points  (43 children) | Copy Link

If most men were average tomorrow (not fat; just slim/normal), women would find 70% of men unattractive as opposed to 80%.

Erase social media and normalize actors/actresses that don’t look like models, and we can maybe get it down to 50%—maybe.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, even someone like Elvis would be considered "mid" or "medium ugly" to younger women in this day and age

[–]zastale 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The halo from status is very real, plus he was 6’ which would’ve helped.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 2 points3 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

lol mick jagger and jimi hendrix..

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I think young Jagger would definitely be a cel if he was a non famous zoomer

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, or date bottom barrel women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I think a prodigious amount of young versions of rockstars would be cels if they were younger zoomers today without fame. Like Ric Ocasek is another one.

[–]Nihi1986 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost everyone, most rockstars had ugly faces and/or ugly bodies, and certainly weren't into healthy habits.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit the cognitive dissonance. You two discuss the ugliest men in music and somehow claim that women only like perfect symmetrical, muscular model Chads with square jaws and large hands

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Do you think a young Ric would have a dating life if he was a young nobody in the era of social media and Tinder? Come on

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Why would a charismatic, talented man need Tinder?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Social and Tinder have changed the game. New SMVs are based on or off it

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

they wouldn't get much in their era if they were nobodies too, being on the higher social hierarchy always meant you played by different rules.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lewis Capaldi is the most famous singer in the UK atm and he complains about being dateless often.

Also, pretty sure Ric had a wife before he became famous.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly they would do well among zoomers too

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The status or the coolness factor is what raised their smv in the first place in the 60's/70's too, it isn't necessarily indicative of beauty standards getting harsher. (albeit i don't really doubt it)

[–]JLb0498 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nah, Hendrix was super good looking. And Mick Jagger wasn't a Chad but he wasnt super ugly either.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]JLb0498 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

oh yeah, women in america go wild for skinny black men with wide noses and thick lips and "afro" hair type and dark brown eyes. if you add whatever jaw/teeth problem he had that makes mouth stick forward and teeth with a 'swollen' look and a prominent forward chin, you've got a real "Chad" just as you said!

[–]JLb0498 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean if you're talking about what young women like in 2023, he definitely isn't what they prefer as he isn't a white pretty boy.

But for his time, he definitely was a Chad because he literally was having sex nonstop from his late teens up until when he died.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

oh yeah, back in '67 american women were so much more into black men. are you for real? he was a rock guitar player singer who did drugs and hanged with people who did drugs and literal hippies. ofc he got sex

[–]JLb0498 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going off of assumptions, literally every book says that he basically had a harem

"One of the newer numbers was “Earth Blues,” which featured backing vocals from Ronnie Spector of the Ronettes. Spector had stopped by Jimi’s apartment that December and found him in bed with five women. “They were lazing around, fighting over who was going to light his cigarette or bring him a drink,” she recalled. “It was like he was a sheikh. He was laying there like the king.” Once Jimi had a permanent address, he found himself swarmed by young women, even though he had regular girlfriends in both Devon Wilson and Carmen Borrero. His apartment building had a doorman who would call him when girlfriends showed up unannounced. Jimi was rich, talented, and handsome, and there were many who wanted to have a real relationship with him, but more often he found himself attracting groupies, at least partially on the reputation of his plaster cast. To them, he was simply a sexual conquest, as they were to him, though for Jimi, the numbers had become meaningless."

Of course he was already famous by this point, so here's an example from before he was famous (even though someone like Ed Sheeran probably wouldn't have a harem today)

"One night in Buffalo, three East Indian women slept with Jimi after declaring that he had the face of a Hindu god— they had met him in the hotel and weren’t even fans of the band."

both examples are from the book Room Full of Mirrors

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

black men nowadays among zoomers and milennials have pretty much equal smv to white men nowadays, or at least people who fetishize them(regardless of what we morally feel about this, it increases chances of getting laid), and his teeth problem will be viewed as an ''unique'' characteristic, i can find even among zoomers that people can often like weird traits as long as it is on a high-status person.

statuspill>all

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Honestly they would do well among zoomers too

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

as rock stars, yes. as nobodies that don't hang around hippies and other drug fueled places, no.

[–]puririnpa 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have always been attracted to signifiers of being ''cool' ' or' 'high status' ' or ' 'vibes' ' ver all else, this isn't anything new or indicative of beauty standards getting harsher. ed sheeran is the type that people would tell to ' 'rope' ' if he posted on looksmaxx.org yet he had more girls into him than literally anyone else posting there

If you can figure out that women are attracted to ' 'cool' ' over anything else, then you will figure out why they are attracted to basically anything that is of conventional.

This isn't even bluepilled either because an ordinary men being born with this kind of vibe is honestly rarer or harder than ascemding with makeup or surgery, what i'm saying is people that high in the social hierarchy don't even have to play by normal rules.

[–][deleted]  (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

He was still the epitome of male beauty in his days though

[–][deleted]  (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

50s and 60s

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

He died at 42. He was physically attractive for about 3 or 4 years.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Remained an icon still though

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

No he didn't. Google "fat Elvis". He was a fat, disgusting drug addicted slob who died a joke because he had a heart attack while trying to pass a twenty pound shit on a toilet.

[–]zastale 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m sure that’s how Austin Butler will portray him.

[–]Libah05 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely criminal to have Barett together with chicho and O’pry. Barett is a gay alien with close to 0 appeal irl.

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

80% of men, because they can still be ugly and have a shit personnality

[–]GlumManufacturer1557 1 point2 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

Probably around 10%. Only my opinion tho

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (45 children) | Copy Link

Do you think the guys on the left are desirable to women for example?

[–]GlumManufacturer1557 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cannot speak for all women, but only about me. In that case, no, they are not, because they are old. I was answering about young, healthy men.

[–][deleted]  (43 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Cope, a chad with an overtly misogynistic bio will get hook ups and an average looking guy is lucky to get a match a month who'll ghost him

[–]Background_Beach618 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Atomic blackpill

[–][deleted]  (24 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

That's not what "chad" means. It just means tall and attractive. Misogyny will not stop a tall and attractive man from finding partners

[–][deleted]  (18 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, what's your point?

[–][deleted]  (16 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

As opposed to men on the right who hate women? Absolutely. With the exception of a very few tragically indoctrinated, religious and inhibited women, all women prefer men who actually like and respect women

Those are your own words I was debating. So are we agreeing that looks are the biggest bulwark to finding a partner as a male and not muh misogyny?

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think you are trying to mash blue and black pill together with a sledgehammer and that's how you conclude looks level <=> social skills level

its like mixing oil and water in a blender to stop the oil from rising above the water

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

WTF is this?

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personality doesn’t matter; it’s all about looks.

[–]hutavan 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As opposed to men on the right who hate women?

He meant "on the left" as in "the left side of this picture", not political affiliation lol

Or are you unironically saying you can tell someone is misogynistic just by their looks?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, she's saying every single chad is automatically a top tier guy with amazing social skills, a 7 figure salary and multiple hobbies

[–]hutavan 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wish I had a 6'4 personality tbh. Why live?

[–]Environmental_Lie561WhitePill -3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree. It’s hot when men actually like and respect women, treat us like ladies even. It honestly turns me on when guys are chivalrous…down to pulling out my chair 🥵

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

I don’t need a chair pulled out or a door opened, I just need men to regard women as equals.

[–]Environmental_Lie561WhitePill -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think we are different so there is no such thing as equals.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Correct. You're a conspiracy theorist, anti-science, anti-vaxxer.

I prefer logic and reason. Please never, ever talk to me again, and keep your virulent ass at home instead of murdering one hundred grandparents and diabetics every time you decide to hit the Dollar Tree.

[–]Environmental_Lie561WhitePill -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

tRuSt ThE sCiEnCe 🥴 like to see you when the draft comes

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Likewise. Your kind is shitting bricks over a vaccine, I’m sure you’ll be able to handle war just fine 😉

[–]Environmental_Lie561WhitePill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I won’t have to because I’ll be at home being a mother.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

i think he meant to say right left as in who's on the right or left according to the picture, not literally liberal vs conservative men.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

What's the difference? We can't see the physique of the men on the right.

Which is deliberate, obviously.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The message is that a pretty face will win over other characteristics, so yea its deliberate

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Those effeminate faces aren’t pretty to every woman.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They aren't to every woman, no one is attractive to everyone, but they are to a significant amount, besides boyish good looks being promoted as the ideal isn't new, and is probably even more prominent in the past among zoomers compared to everyone else. Having a conventionally good looking face with average body usually beats the reverse in both genders imo.

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Face. A nice face with normal body beats years of gym, everytime. And I honestly feel the same about women, I'd take a slightly overweight woman with a beautiful face over a perfect body with ugly face woman any day.

Sadly, you can improve how you look and improve your body but can't change your genetics. Well, I guess there's plastic surgery but you get my point.

[–]hutavan 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

And height beats both tbh

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Height is super attractive it seems, yeah.

[–]4ktx 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Face>height>muscles

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

True, unless the height is so low it turns into a dealbreaker itself.

[–]4ktx 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If your cute it tends to work well with the low height

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

chico is postwall now btw

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He had like 15 years as an ultimate chad-pretty boy hybrid. That's like a blessing that a tiny % of men will ever experience

[–]Environmental_Lie561WhitePill -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Emm none of them are hot to me.

[–]IHateFernales 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

I would say 99% or even more

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

%18 of young men are virgins not %90.

[–]IHateFernales 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Question was who is undesirable. Beta bux and escort maxxers are undesirable

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

17 year olds don't have the money to betabuxx

[–]IHateFernales 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Most 17 year old males are not having sex

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

average age to lose your virginity is 17 or 18.

also teacher raping school kids

[–]IHateFernales 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Average age does not mean most

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

most of the young men are not virgins, only about %18 or if you stretch it, %30 of them are

and since op specified young men, they can't betabux

[–]IHateFernales 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You can beta bux at that age. I am in that age and make enough money to beta bux.

Also there are also those that go to prostitutes who are not virgins but are undesirable

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

you said you were 30, stop larping.

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