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Why are discussions of oral maxillofacial surgery (OMFS) by a layperson, and especially ugly men (and women) often frowned upon?

February 2, 2023

Logically, it would make sense that if a person's face is problematic and unattractive to the gender that they are attracted to, that they would take a step back and evaluate the features that hold their facial features and their harmony back.

And even though the changes that can be made are quite limited with today's technology, why is the discussion of emerging technologies for this also frowned upon?

Even considering the fact that no amount of money can fix an ugly person's face with today's technology, if they are going to be ugly and loveless, wouldn't it be in mental health professionals' interests to allow these people to encourage this as a coping mechanism? With the hope that over a few decades, maybe the ugly guy in his 20s can eventually look decent in his 40s or 50s and have somewhat of a romantic life that he would have never had in the first place?

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Title Why are discussions of oral maxillofacial surgery (OMFS) by a layperson, and especially ugly men (and women) often frowned upon?
Author bad_craniofacial_dev
Upvotes 6
Comments 21
Date February 2, 2023 7:05 PM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]ScrimmyBingusTwo 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That's because it goes against the incredibly flawed narrative that romantically unsuccessful people (especially men) are only single because they have bad personalities and don't try hard enough.

I don't know how anyone could argue, in good faith, that

this person

or this person

should have just learned to accept themselves, be confident, and work on their personalities' instead of getting surgery

[–]NationalistGoy 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is that surgery covered under healthcare in the US or not?

[–]bad_craniofacial_dev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can be depending on if the person has functional issues.

[–]blebbyroo 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Wow they look so much better. That’s awesome

Would suck though if they hid it and then their kids had that

[–]bad_craniofacial_dev[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Their kids can get the same exact procedure.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Not until they are older? Do you have to be an adult? I would assume so so that everything is done growing.

Yeah would be an option but I would be disappointed if someone hid major medical history from me and my children were born with the condition that was hidden. Would probably wreck my trust in my partner.

If they disclosed it it would be fine though.

[–]bad_craniofacial_dev[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

They can in their teens.

[–]blebbyroo -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok so after they have been potentially picked on in middle school and have trauma and a bad self image though which is why it would be a negative in terms of the relationship with the partner if it wasn’t disclosed

[–]bad_craniofacial_dev[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cringe. Life doesn’t end in middle school. And a lot of people who are ugly in middle school and attractive in HS live good lives.

[–]blebbyroo 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

True. I would just have a hard time relating to that experience so wouldn’t be able to Give relavent advice if my child asked me for it.

I think most people want to be able to relate to their children and for them to have similar and better experiences than themselves

[–]bad_craniofacial_dev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give your kids relevant advice based of how gl or not they are. Ultimately.

[–]Green-Quantity1032 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not always genetic.

I'm pretty sure the consensus is Class II is mostly environmental.

Too much pacifier, too little hard food.

Class III yeah it's mostly genetics.

[–]blebbyroo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. Thank you for the information. I never let my child have a pacifier I was worried about the teeth being pushed outward I see a lot of kids with that

[–]Green-Quantity1032 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy looks normal in the before pic..

And yeah I can recognize class II.

I could argue he might have just accepted it,

Not that he necessarily should have - good result though why no hair.

I know many people with class II who just go on with their life, most of them not knowing they have class II.

As for the girl, yeah, unacceptable - good job.

[–]bad_craniofacial_dev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and its worse for people with uglily shaped bones.

For those people who you posted, their problems were an easy fix, but for many it isn't.

[–]Green-Quantity1032 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who is frowning upon it?

I might get jaw surgery, and I had to explain it to pretty much every one I know, they just go "your jaw looks fine".

People don't know what OMFS is, they don't know what class II retrognathia is, and they don't care - nor should they.

The only thing I was told is either "good luck" or "jesus, why would you go through THAT" as in it's a harsh procedure and why the fuck would I do it.

I have my reasons for wanting it, but I wouldn't say anyone I've shared this with frowned upon it.

They would probably stop being my friend if seriously frowned.

[–]caption291 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your face is a relatively honest signal of your genes. When you get surgery...you are making a dishonest signal (as you don't actually have the genes to have the face you now have) meaning you are a threat to the signaling system.

[–]InadequateSkeleton 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there it is

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay, and? A man's gotta do what he has to in order to make it.

[–]caption291 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not making an argument about if people should or shouldn't do it, I'm explaining why people feel uneasy about surgery as a solution.

emphasis on the FEEL part. I'm not talking about the rationalizations that people come up with to explain their feelings.

[–]TaxNegative161 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of a story about a rich Korean man suing his now ex wife for covering up her hideousness with plastic surgery and causing their kids to be ugly.

In my opinion, that rich Korean man can go fuck himself. You can do what you like with your body.

But if you're a fan of this surgery and a transphobe, your brain is just incredibly fucked up lol.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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