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Why do females and their white knights always say that low status males feel “entitled to sex”?

October 22, 2022
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I have always found this quite bizarre. Wanting something is not the same as being as entitled to something, they are entirely 2 separate things.

I am a low status male, being a 30 year old kissless virgin. Sure I would like to have sex and relationships but I don’t feel “entitled”. My expectations of females are extremely low. I don’t expect them to have basic respect, kindness or courtesy and they don’t in my experience. If they don’t show respect why on earth would I expect them to have sex with me? I would say I am as far from “entitled” as possible and many other males in my position feel the same way.

My hypothesis is that females are projecting. If you look at the abortion debate a lot of females support abortion to a fanatical level even though if they never have sex they would never need to get an abortion. I would say that this shows a lot of entitlement to sex and they are projecting this on us.

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Title Why do females and their white knights always say that low status males feel “entitled to sex”?
Author FastBananaViral
Upvotes 19
Comments 51
Date October 22, 2022 5:04 AM UTC (1 month ago)
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[–]insertcredit2 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm being too generous but I'd say it's toxic blue pill mentally. If a guy is told if you do X, Y & Z then women will date you and you do X, Y & Z repeatedly but keep ended up in the friend zone then sooner or later you're going to get frustrated that you're doing everything by the good boy rules but you're not getting anywhere.

I can empathise with these guys the same way I empathise with people who spend a fortune doing a masters/PhD and find that employers aren't willing to hire you. I can see why women are going to be annoyed at some guy telling them that they deserve a chance after being their emotional tampon and playing me nice guy.

[–]FastBananaViral 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If you do X,Y and Z and you are still unsuccessful you are also not allowed to complain or say anything about it

[–]insertcredit2 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean you can but you'll look kinda crazy just like a woman who demands that you have to be her boyfriend because she slept with you.

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How is it looking crazy? Most people would be upset if that happened to them

[–]insertcredit2 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because saying to someone that because you listened to their problems and paid for things when you hung out means that they owe you sex is crazy.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yep, every normie has something to say and some demand to make about how you should follow their standard of good boy behavior if you don't wanna be involuntarily celibate or you're an angry neckbeard loser. it's very arrogant. it's basically saying: "'i'm a very good person because i follow these rules i made up, and if you become a good person like me, women will validate your goodness with sex." it's prosperity gospel applied to sex and love instead of money.

the christians will say you don't have a gf because you don't fear and revere jesus enough (substitute allah for jesus if it's a muslim), the atheist says it's because your belief in your religion makes you too misogynistic to get a woman and you should convert to his atheist philosophy, the capitalist says you didn't work hard enough on providing value (his idea of value) to society to get money by working for him/buying his products to get a gf, and so on but of course none of them can deliver. can't fool me though, no set of morals will change SMV as much as the dark triad.

[–]insertcredit2 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It's the just world fallacy.

Idiot men think that if they put in so much effort they should be rewarded then get mad when women don't and they act out. Women do a similar thing and think they are owed a relationship because they let a guy bang them then act out when the guy doesn't call.

[–]TryLambda 8 points9 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Yes your hypothesis has merit, also another reason is that women want and an excuse to be hoes with no accountability attached to it. I.e they will both deflect and shift the issue by blaming virgin men shaming them to kingdom come, calling them incels, for all of women-kinds poor choices in life.... while simultaneously being railed by mindless brutes, behind a dumpster at a football match, and then they will attack virgin men again by calling them, entitled creeps and predators... while their cooties are collecting a world full of stds ... blaming innocent men, while negating their own accountability is a major issue when it comes to women... bringing back hoe shaming is the only answer....

[–]FastBananaViral 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know females shift the sins of men they have sex with to virgin men, I don’t think that will ever stop. I guess that is a factor as well because Chads seem to be very entitled to sex from what I have seen and of course they blame low status males for that

[–]MicrosoftOSX 1 point2 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Wow… nice girls and nice guys vs high body count and low body count. Both parties like to focus on the opposite sex’s preferences… interesting take. Sluts and incels are two sides of a same coin to a certain extent.

[–]FastBananaViral 2 points3 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

How did you come to that conclusion from what he said?

[–]MicrosoftOSX 1 point2 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

his accurate description of a virgin shaming hoe persona inspired me. Hoes complain no good man want a serious relationship with them. They like to argue hoeism is their right and should not be judged based on it which mocking dudes who can find a sexual partner. Incels talk about how hoes only fuck chads/assholes, slut shames hoes. Dont take my words literally cuz obviously not many people are literally like what I just described but the mentality is towards the same direction. When these women think incels think they deserve sex… it is because incels just complains. This is similar to hoes saying there are no good men… it is just complaint. There is a reason good men do not want a hoe as his partner. Same as Incels, there is always way to breakout of the incel-loop. I would say it is hard for men than women to be at the bottom of the food chain However, men have a higher ceiling for sexual market improvement than women for marriage market… tho cosmetic surgery kinda break this pattern.

Im not sure if I make sense here but im too tired to proof read and edit. Hopefully I did good enough to articulate my thoughts

[–]FastBananaViral 3 points4 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

I disagree, a hoe is a hoe due to choices a hoe made. An incel is an incel cause of you know “involuntary”.

[–]Peacesquad 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Lack of empathy and critical thinking

[–]FastBananaViral 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yep, if you think about what entitled means for 5 minutes you would know it doesn’t apply

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You agreeing with me?

[–]FastBananaViral 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes I am

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh sorry I was just checking lol

[–]RedditsOlderBrah 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

no, it's because of communities like this one where these losers DO feel entitled to sex.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanting something = entitlement. What a clown world. So are women entitled to emotional connections and great sex then? Using your logic against you lol

[–]warramite 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Asking for something doesn't = entitled to it

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, entitled is a very specific word

[–]EulenWatcher 1 point2 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

That's an impression some incels and "nice guys" posts give. Especially more insane ones.

[–]FastBananaViral 1 point2 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain how? I have posted on incel forums and the most common view is the same as mine

[–]EulenWatcher 0 points1 point  (39 children) | Copy Link

Look at IncelsTears - it probably encapsulates a general impression incels create about themselves. Plus, if you spend some time on subs as PPD and argue with a few, yiu will het some nasty DMs sooner or later. It doesn't leave a good impression either.

[–]FastBananaViral 3 points4 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Inceltears make accounts on incel posts to screenshot and post for themselves, they are not to be trusted. If you spent time on an incel forum the view is mostly the same as mine. Expectations for females are extremely low, it would be absurd to expect sex.

[–]EulenWatcher 1 point2 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

I'd guess a broad piblic gets to see only the most extreme views. But even if you debate with incels, they don't make a god impression. Some are just lonely, sure, lots are angry and toxic. Calling women females also doesn't help.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Here's the real answer in a nutshell: To shut them up and discredit them.

The majority of them know damn well most ugly/short guys don't actually believe they're "owed" sex. It's all about shutting down any discussion that would lead to these guys discovering the truth about female sexual attraction. If enough plain looking guys realized women were only "less visual than men" in a pragmatic sense, settlers, gold diggers and the sociopathic types know what they stand to lose as a result.

  1. Plain looking guys would start screening their dates instead of automatically assuming a woman's "attraction" to them is sexual/romantic and not merely economic or utilitarian. Those women who just HAVE to get married would find it even harder to snag a husband, because now those men they're merely willing to settle for wouldn't marry them either. Instead of being happy she's "giving him a chance despite his looks", that man would recognize she's really only settling for him, and he wouldn't be interested in a serious relationship with her. More men would TRULY understand that love cannot be negotiated. So, you want more than anything to get married and raise a family? But, neither Chad or Tyrone will marry you? Then, TOUGH SHIT! ....because Poindexter and Norton won't be naive enough to marry you, either :).
  2. This should've been #1. I ain't gonna beat around the bush on this one - the world might be more dangerous for women if men knew how female sexual attraction really worked. There's a lot of mentally unstable dudes out there. The one thing that can drive a narcissist or sociopath to violence is a blow to the ego, and if said narcissist/sociopath also happens to be really ugly or short, the reality of female sexual attraction would be the ULTIMATE blow to his ego! And yes, the prevalence of misogyny within the male population would skyrocket. It ain't right, it ain't justified, it's just the inevitable result on a population scale no matter what anyone's own personal views are. And reacting to this trend with more feminist lecturing, propaganda, or draconian laws would only make things even worse. No wonder women wanna keep this shit under wraps!
  3. If a woman decides to settle for a guy, she'd no longer be able to sell him a false illusion of attraction. He will know how transactional the relationship really is, and will expect a fair exchange. Legal marriage would be replaced with sugaring arrangements, and new laws governing these arrangements would protect HIM from HER.
  4. It won't be as easy to get free drinks, free food, help with homework or lawn care, or other favors, nor will it be as easy to flirt one's way up the corporate ladder. Those same favors/benefits she gets now, she'd have to actually PAY for. Want your lawn mowed or need tutoring for math class? That'll be $50 dollars. Ain't doing it for free anymore.

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So would you say that these females know that low status males are not entitled?

[–]Draken3000 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no. I don’t think they know, like, consciously in the way you describe it. I think they’ve been conditioned to hear certain words and phrases and the use one of a set of equally conditioned replies. “You’re not entitled to sex” being one of them.

[–]Draken3000 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, regardless of anything else in this thread, I actually think this is closest to the truth. I would argue its the same with any pill that isn’t blue, really.

If those ideas became mainstream and suddenly more men were clued in to women’s sexuality and all the ways they use it than men who weren’t clued in, suddenly the world would be a whole lot more “fair” for them. And boy would they hate that lmfao so yeah, I actually agree with this comment completely.

The reason I prefer to take the red pill approach and tell dudes (and myself) that you have to “whole package-max” as hard as you can to get women is that the tragic truth is that the only other real options are to be a bitter incel or MGTOW. And I see the same problems you do with a massive population of sexless men, its only a matter of time before there are enough of them for bad things to start happening. I think we should be trying to find the healthiest, fairest ways possible (that dont infringe on human rights) to appease those men, rather than stoking the fire with shame and hate.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And I see the same problems you do with a massive population of sexless men, its only a matter of time before there are enough of them for bad things to start happening.

Oh man, it's definitely only a matter of "when", not "if". And it ain't the incel fringe I'm most worried about. It's the plain looking normal dudes dropping out of the dating game and shifting their spending habits, which will wreck the entire economy in the process. Right now, it's the "2" and "3" guys who are throwing in the towel and giving up, but once the "4s" and "5s" find themselves in the same position, we're all gonna be in a world of shit. The social and political effects would be bad enough, but the economic impact would be even worse :(.

> I think we should be trying to find the healthiest, fairest ways possible (that don't infringe on human rights) to appease those men.

Exactly my thoughts, too. There are solutions that DON'T require violating another person's rights and freedoms. IMHO, our best shot at saving the West's future is widespread access to plastic and orthodontic surgery. Instead of forcing women to prostitute themselves to those men, just make them better looking, then they'll be able to find someone who would be with them willingly! Legalizing and subsidizing prostitution wouldn't do jack shit, because it's not about the sex, but the awareness that nobody's interested in them. If anything, all legalizing hookers is gonna do is set the precedent that men are legally entitled to sex, and that's not a path we wanna take. What about sex dolls? That runs into the same problem I have with prostitution - you're still not wanted. They're not even real people. And those things still have a long way to go before they're even physically realistic. What about "mental health services"? The overwhelming majority of guys in this situation are in it because of physical reasons. Those guys who "look normal" in pictures? They're all really short, like 5'3", and would benefit from leg lengthening surgery.

[–]Draken3000 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Spot on, i’m with ya here. Most of the proposed solutions like the ones you mentioned (prostitution, sex dolls) are really only band-aid fixes imo, I agree with you there, they don’t solve the underlying problem.

I think a crucial component of intimacy that is often overlooked or otherwise ignored/denied is the fact of it being given WILLINGLY and proactively, without an incentive like money. Every other form of attaining it will come with some level of truth in the back of someone’s mind telling them that it isn’t authentic. “I paid her for this, she wouldn’t give it to just because she wants to otherwise” and other things of that nature.

Its actually kinda tragic to think that just 50-60 or so years ago that there was a large subset of men (and perhaps even stockholm’d women) who truly believed their wives were with them completely by choice and because they were the best and favored option for them. But in reality, there was a whole swath of marriages, families even, who existed because the woman would face destitution and social stigma otherwise. The love wasn’t real, or it was forced. But the mask has come off on that notion, and I don’t think there is any putting it back on. I wouldn’t even want to, personally, but it’s impossible to ignore the negative impact its had and the utter conundrum its set up.

If a majority of women (majority would still be 55%, keep in mind) innately don’t find the majority of men attractive, there is no moral grounds for any sort of change that pushes them to ignore their lack of attraction. NO solution exists that is moral and doesn’t infringe on human rights. So what happens?

Well, the “angry, dissatisfied, sexless male bubble” continues to grow and grow until eventually they outnumber the men who are content with the status quo and something terrible happens, that bubble pops.

Maybe we’ll see the emergence of radical terrorist groups, maybe there will be a group of political candidates who have enough support to gain power who implement laws that strip women of their human rights (but like actual rights, not some the “rights” they “feel” they should have). Maybe we just see skyrocketing sexual crimes. Who knows, i’m just speculating. The point is that the current social climate is almost certainly unsustainable and I harbor a genuine fear (as a dude who is fortunate enough to be doing well for himself all things considered, good job, good prospects, great GF, etc and only became as such thanks to TRP) that we’re gonna face some sort of “undesirable male reckoning” in our lifetime. I want to help those men, but idek if they CAN be helped, you know? Not even from like an advice standpoint, I mean i’m not sure there even IS a modern way to help them. Its awful to think about…

[–]BoogersAndSugar 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah man, I fear for the future, too. A moral solution DEFINITELY exists (surgery and steroids - that worked wonders for me!), but by the time the public finally wises up to this, all their previous attempts at a "solution" - each based on incorrect narratives about both leftover males and female sexual attraction - will have backfired and failed, then it'll be too late to save civilization. We won't have enough resources or stability left to even implement this solution.

[–]DivineDaedraChadwife 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Some people do feel entitled to sex—specifically, sex with people who don’t want sex with them. Men aren’t the only ones, either. They resent people who have sex (especially with a person they find attractive) because they believe they deserve to be having sex with that person.

I’m not saying you, or even the majority of incels for that matter, fall into that group. It’s also not exclusive to people who are sexually unsuccessful, as there are plenty of people who will get very angry and bitter when rejected by someone they think they “deserve”

I think people make the mistake of assuming that 1) only people who are sexually/romantically unsuccessful feel entitled to sex/relationships, therefore 2) all people who are unsuccessful feel entitled to success. It’s normal to be sad or jealous when you aren’t able to get what you want—especially when others don’t seem (or simply refuse) to work for it. Negative feelings are not entitlement—placing blame and lashing out at others is entitlement.

I also think there’s a layer of complexity that most people don’t want to deal with when talking about entitlement to sex, specifically regarding rights and who “deserves” it.

Yes, most people need at minimum some form of physical and emotional intimacy with at least one person they trust to be happy. That doesn’t have to be sex but touch starvation is a very real and painful thing. No one (bar dangerous+violent criminals who can’t safely benefit) deserves to be alone.

In addition, people DO have a right to sex in that no one can or should be able to stop you from having sex in a situation where all parties consent. Love and sex are considered human rights, and for good reason.

However, due to the nature of the bond required to meet those needs, it can’t be forced. Everyone involved has to want to be involved—it’s not fair that some people never find a partner but it also wouldn’t be fair to force people to sacrifice their needs to try and meet someone else’s.

Edited wording

[–]LiftSushiDallas 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with most of this except you can't say no one "deserves" to be alone because that implies that everyone "deserves" to be with someone and you cannot "deserve" what someone else has to provide.

[–]DivineDaedraChadwife 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you can, on the basis that you don’t deserve the company of a specific person—you just deserve to feel loved. Just because you can’t (and shouldn’t) force anyone to be that for you doesn’t mean you don’t deserve the experience. It’s not possible to be guaranteed everything that you deserve, but I think this is a need and therefore something that is deserved.

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know some people feel entitled to sex, that can be seen with the whole abortion thing. If a female never has sex they would never need an abortion. They project that on to low status men

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Some people do feel entitled to sex—specifically, sex with people who don’t want sex with them. Men aren’t the only ones, either. They resent people who have sex (especially with a person they find attractive) because they believe they deserve to be having sex with that person.

i agree, have an example. imagine if a blackpilled man wrote this.

edit: its satire

[–]DivineDaedraChadwife 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It was written by a male satire writer.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep i realized

[–]darksoul1622NeutralPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude that is satire

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep i realized

[–]debatelord_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tfw touch starvation is kicking in...

[–]Best_Illustrator_137 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shaming tactic because it’s usually after you say anything about them running in the streets and they just usually think, “well you just wish it was you.” Like if your experience is no box then how would you even feel entitled knowing where you stand in the dating market..you most likely feel discouraged..also 30 and no kiss is crazy bro, no p*ssy ever..you gotta change that.

[–]FastBananaViral -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know it’s a shaming tactic but I also think they genuinely believe this whole entitled thing.

There is nothing I can do to change my situation

[–]Best_Illustrator_137 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s because it’s coming from their perspective on how women treat each other, and since it’s not like guys they think guys should be more like them, reason why in schools you’ll see this whole push to make boys more feminine or kill the traits that naturally come to them. Whole other level of entitlement..

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes they are projecting .

Some women are just jealous that man can enjoy sex while they can't.

If you look at the abortion debate a lot of females support abortion to a fanatical level even though if they never have sex they would never need to get an abortion

Pregnancy just ruin body and makes woman unattractive.That's why they want it.

Some have different reasons for supporting abortion like if I found out I am having baby girl,I would abort it and if it is boy,I would be happy.In that case,I do want abortion rights.

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but if they never have sex they would never get pregnant. Same thing applies, they still feel entitled to sex and absolve themselves of any consequences or responsibility

[–]Glad-Discount-47611 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It is just hard to avoid sex.Thats why lol

[–]FastBananaViral 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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