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Why do some people still follow female dating advice?

December 22, 2022
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Male and female dating imperatives in modern society are fundamentally opposed. Female dating advice isn't "how to appeal to women sexually" advice as much as it is "how to appeal to ME romantically" advice. Hell, I'm being far too generous by suggesting that women's dating advice so much as describes how to appeal to them. The sole purpose of female dating advice is to empower women and disempower men in the dating market in a zero-sum game.

Take international dating for example. There are plenty of reasons men do it: from desiring certain races of women, to simply wanting a less corrupted dating pool. However, one demographic of men I've seen engage in the practice a lot is autistic men. I've seen so many stories of stable educated men in the U.S. or U.K. who became more and more jaded after failing at dating. If it's not bad enough that they can't attract women, the few women they manage to pull for dates lose interest immediately due to their neurodivergence. These guys then date in place like Eastern Europe or Asia, attract beautiful women who reciprocate easily, and maybe eventually supress their autism indefinitely due to this newfound confidence.

I find stories like these every now and then in subs like confessions, trueoffmychest, or relationship_advice. The man explains how he chose to date abroad because he never got attention from local women, and the bluepillers angrily rebuke them and say some platitudes along the lines of "why don't you consider that you could never hold women's attention because of your terrible personality instead of blaming your autism and exploiting women from poor countries?" My first response to that line of thinking is: It's well documented that autism has a tremendous burden on a man's love life, do you expect him to ignore that fact because of your "amazing 5'4 autistic bf" who totally exists and you didn't make up for the sake of argument? Secondly, the fact that such a man can attract beautiful women from the right dating pools disproves that his personality is the problem, doesn't it? If anything, it goes to show that their lack of dating success was entirely women's fault.

Thirdly, and going back to the point of this post, what alternative dating advice do you have to offer? There's a reason Einstein's most famous quote is "insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results." Men are a problem solving demographic. We identify the problem (a man can't attract women in his dating pool) and we try out solutions (we pursue more attainable dating pools). The women who say "just don't date abroad like a creep and work on your personality" really don't know what they're arguing against. Remember my other post about that fat white neckbeard who matched with 1,000 Filipinas? Men have 2 options: either date at home, and fall into suicidal depression chasing hundreds of thousand of women who think they're too good for you, or date abroad, where there are hundreds or thousands of women are more beautiful, less demanding, and more reciprocal. Why do women expect men to give up the dating success of a lifetime just because they say so? Do they expect us to suffer at home? What do they have to offer that beats the prospect of thousands of beautiful women who want to marry you: the western dating pool of entitled slobs who don't need no man who won't entertain them? Don't make me fucking laugh.

That's just one example of dogshit female dating advice. It absolutely grinds my gears when I go to some sub like dating or dating_advice and the women give some advice like "just don't focus on love and it'll find you" or "love will come when you least expect it to." Are you shitting me? Men HAVE to approach actively and endlessly, sitting around and waiting for a high quality option's proposal is [believe it or not] an option unavailable to most men. Are women ignorant when they give this advice, or intentionally malicious (trying to weed LVM's out of the dating pool by tricking them into giving up)?

Let's not talk about how women hate the race but love the winner. I've noticed that when men suggest the only way to get better at dating is to improve their looks, invest, get wealthier in general, or go to the gym, women will respond saying "what you really need is therapy" or "the gym won't get you better emotional intelligence." But who do they fuck: is it the sensitive nice guy who goes to therapy, or the jacked business mogul? Seriosuly, reddit women will tell you they don't date cops becuase they're toxic or doctors and lawyers because they're full of themselves, but guess which 3 professions get the most pussy? Seriosuly, I wonder if women are intentionally trying to worsen male dating prowess with their ridiculous advice.

The worst part is you can't even escape female dating advice no matter where you go. All the big subs like r/dating, r/dating_advice, r/relationships, and r/relationship_advice are ruled by misandrist feminists who ban all generalizations of women for "promoting division" while allowing all sorts of generalizations against men to stay. When you try to create a niche sub like a redpill subreddit to give dating advice that isn't crap, a cabal of subreddits like niceguys, neckbeardthings, thebluepill, blatantmisogyny, and nothowgirlswork start documenting "leh toxic generalizing comments" and promote the brigading of our communites until they're censored. Remember r/deadbedrooms? It used to be one of the only non-biased mainstream dating advice subreddits out there that wasn't biased. But recently, it's been getting invaded by the feminist crowd who proceed to give women in deadbedrooms unlimited pity for having lazy partners while claiming that men only aren't getting sex because they can't please their partners or some other bullshit. In particular, this absurd feminist theory that the uneven division of housework is the only thing limiting female sex drives, and men are only in deadbedrooms because they're not doing enough housework, is spreading like wildfire there. Even the users of r/deadbedrooms, male and female alike, have started complaining about the recent anti-male bias on the subreddit. Worst part is, the people giving this garbage feminist advice aren't in deadbedrooms, or even married or in monogamous relationships. They just think every community has to entertain their juvenile, inexperienced, and anti-male perspective on long-term relationships.

I'm just sick of it, it's like women give the opposite of good dating advice on purpose. And they can't stop shoving their shitty perspective everywhere. Men: just don't listen to women's dating advice. Doing so is like voluntarily putting a bullet in your brain. Better yet, just do the opposite of their advice. If they say women don't like men who initiate sex early, be the man who initiates sex early. If they say they don't like being approached in a certain place and time, now you now exactly where and when to approach more. If they say your problem is therapy and you need to stop going to the gym, start taking roids and cutting every therapist out of your life. If they say you should stop targeting muh vulnerable groups of women (e.g. younger women, women with daddy issues or mental illnesses, or women from poor countries) then terrific: you now know the best dating pools to pursue.

Please don't waste time on their advice, such a perspective is beyond worthless. They want power. They want to structure society in a way where women as a collective control sexual access, and average men have no dating prospects besides onlyfans, porn, or chad's used up post-wall excuse for a mess. When you're learning to catch a fish, you ask a fisherman: not a trout. I know someone's gonna call me unhinged or say I'm in the anger phase, but I stand by all my words.

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Title Why do some people still follow female dating advice?
Author MachiNarci
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Date December 22, 2022 11:07 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]_Duriel_1000_ 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why do some people still make these long ass posts without a tldr? lol

[–]qaadeleted 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

thousands of beautiful women who want to marry you

They dont want to marry you, they want to marry someone who has money. A lot of these girls are forced into prostitution and marrying a western is a good way to escape the worse kind of that.

female alike, have started complaining about the recent anti-male bias on the subreddit.

Yes, you see women are not monolith, so why would I act towards them like they are?

they can't stop shoving their shitty perspective everywhere

Its like two sides of the same coin but the sides are actually monkeys throwing poo at each other

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some guys do ask me for dating advice and I don't know why lol.I am like,"Bro,I have failed relationship.What you want me to say?"

I always tell them "Go to gym,focus on job and ask men for advice "

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because some men are desperate to try anything that works and lack the self respect to realize when to walk away. It really is no different than the gambling addict who thinks that this next time will be different.

[–]AdvancedMap5092 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

Women aren’t struggling to get dates or get laid, men are. Yet you believe men are a better source of information because what… you want to be taught how to race a car by a man who can’t drive?

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / janitor 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women aren’t struggling to get dates or get laid, men are.

there's the problem: you're someone who getting the perspective on what to do to succeed... from someone who would be running circles at lightspeed around you by being what she already is and breathing air. at best, she will answer in good faith based on her situation and what she wants from a guy who's already pulled off the very thing you're asking about (missing the point), and at worst, she has a perverse incentive to answer in bad faith anyway with a misdiagnosis of the root problem. so, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, do you want personal finance advice from the son of an investment banker who has no idea what your job is like? it's like how if i were christian, i'd want my priest to be someone that has gone through hard times and been tested like a former drug addict who recovered and not a millionaire born with a silver spoon in his nostril.

so no, but i'd want to learn how to manage the finances of a car from... someone who has to manage the finances of a car. but it's as you said with a few caveats of mine: there's no cheat code hard and fast instruction set for pussy getting a girlfriend. this is where blue/redpill ends and blackpill begins.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

christian, i'd want my priest to be someone that has gone through hard times and been tested like a former drug addict who recovered and not a millionaire born with a silver spoon in his nostril.

Fuck, no. I don’t want to take advice from someone who failed miserably at life. I’d rather take advice from someone who was never addicted. From someone who naturally cares about others and who would never do selfish and destructive things.

[–]Spigot_AT41 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Women just have to exist to get laid tbh. Toddlers aren't struggling to find food, does that mean I should get foraging advice from toddlers?

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

Toddlers don’t know why or how to get food. That’s why you ask their mothers.

[–]Spigot_AT4 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly the point of my analogy. Just because you get something doesn't have to mean you're in position to give advice on how to obtain it, especially if it's handed out to you.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

There it is. Obtain it.

Not how to relate to women. Not how to communicate, to flirt or find common ground. But how to get an object.

No wonder so many men fail, no wonder those men are so easy for manosphere influencers to take advantage of.

[–]Spigot_AT4 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

The analogy is about women "obtaining" sex, not men "obtaining" women lmao.

But putting that blunder aside, you are reading too deep into it and the point of the analogy completely flew over your head as a result.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

Surely you mean your blunder, right? Sex is a mutually beneficial endeavor for most.

[–]Spigot_AT4 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Sex isn't a person tho

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

A person isn’t a thing a man gets tho

[–]Spigot_AT4 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say a person is a thing a man gets. I said that sex is something women get (and men).

[–]EviessVeralan -4 points-3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

To answer your original question, it's because some of us are well qualified to give dating advice, even more so than a lot of RP content creators. Your past poor choices in women to ask for advice isnt my problem nor is it the problem of any other women.

What do they have to offer that beats the prospect of thousands of beautiful women who want to marry you:

If you want better results in dating, you first have to have a realistic view of the world in front of you. The ides that you can hop the border or ride a boat and you'll have a small army of women who would love to marry you and spend their lives for you is naive and delusional.

While some may actually want to settle down, others are in it for either temporary access to your money or the green card. I've met people who have learned this the hard way. While it's not inherently bad to look abroad, you at least need to know what you're doing.

But who do they fuck: is it the sensitive nice guy who goes to therapy, or the jacked business mogul?

I dont know why this is a shock to the same guys that talk about how the women you fuck and the women you get into ltrs with are different types of women.

If men who complain about womens pickiness had the option between casually fucking Megan Fox in her prime and the average girl next door they sure as hell wouldnt pick the latter.

Please don't waste time on their advice, such a perspective is beyond worthless. They want power. They want to structure society in a way where women as a collective control sexual access, and average men have no dating prospects besides onlyfans, porn, or chad's used up post-wall excuse for a mess. When you're learning to catch a fish, you ask a fisherman: not a trout. I know someone's gonna call me unhinged or say I'm in the anger phase, but I stand by all my words.

This kind of attitude is why RP content is so popular. Its easier to sell people the idea that theres a nefarious force out there ruining their lives then it is to give actual solutions for their problems.

[–]upalseBogPill 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

pick the latter.

Herein lies the difference: Most men would simply pick both (we're talking fucking, not relationship, right?).

Women give bad advice to men because they project their POV. Sometimes it's applicable, often time it's simply not.

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The scenario is that you had to pick one. In this scenario, i don't think men would go for the girl next door.

[–]upalse1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

that you had to pick one

For LTR? Fairs. There's another bias you're showing - you presuppose that men predominantly chase after celebrities and models, or in general, women more successful than them, on account of you thinking "popular and successful women are hot". Once again, you're applying female gaze thinking that men's brains work the same. Yet there's massive gender bias when it comes to groupies and consumption of celebrity gossip.

The point I'm making here is that men aren't picky, men are greedy - every (fuckable) girl gets a chance. Meanwhile, ever heard of a female in power with a harem? Didn't think so. Apples giving advice on how to be an orange.

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you presuppose that men predominantly chase after celebrities and models, or in general, women more successful than them, on account of you thinking "popular and successful women are hot" (reminder: for you

This is a strawman. The only thing i said is thay given the choice between banging a 10 and a regular girl most men would pick the 10.

Apples giving advice to an orange on how to be an apple.

If youre going to criticize my comment or the concept of women giving advice as a whole, you should actually read it first.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / janitor 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dont know why this is a shock to the same guys that talk about how the women you fuck and the women you get into ltrs with are different types of women.

the difference is that what guys (who aren't being intentionally obtuse and deceitful) say they want lines up with what they act like they want. the venn diagram of what a lot of women lacking self-awareness say they want, and what they go for, often looks like the figure 8 racetrack the poor sap taking their advice is running endlessly on.

i don't tell a woman that she is misandric and that she should go to therapy instead of the gym if she asks me for advice. if she asks me how to pull guys, i'll say i don't know or i'll answer correctly based on what does pull guys here on earth, not in some ideal disney fantasy world. i say i want this and that trait in a partner, it's what i would want. you're not gonna catch me calling a girl a douchebag in the morning and screwing her at night or marrying her. i'm not referring to you the individual here. you seem like a reasonable person so im not criticizing you.

tech manuals versus motivational speeches. one gives you clear intelligible steps to solve a problem, one throws self-congratulatory vague salads of words at you. i liked "no more mr nice guy" because it sounded more like the former than the latter, even if most of it was eventually unapplicable to my life.

If you want better results in dating, you first have to have a realistic view of the world in front of you. The ides that you can hop the border or ride a boat and you'll have a small army of women who would love to marry you and spend their lives for you is naive and delusional.

While some may actually want to settle down, others are in it for either temporary access to your money or the green card. I've met people who have learned this the hard way. While it's not inherently bad to look abroad, you at least need to know what you're doing.

agree

it's because some of us are well qualified to give dating advice, even more so than a lot of RP content creators.

how did you measure this?

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i don't tell a woman that she is misandric and that she should go to therapy instead of the gym if she asks me for advice. if she asks me how to pull guys, i'll say i don't know or i'll answer correctly based on what does pull guys here on earth, not in some ideal disney fantasy world.

I addressed this in the part of the comment about picking the wrong women to ask for advice. Women with more success in their romantic lives would give a better response. A better bet for getting advice from women would be to ask the ones who are either married or a year+ ltr.

how did you measure this?

I tend to go by "If someone has more experience than me, they'd be more qualified to give me advice" With this in mind, a woman who has had a successful and loving marriage for 25+ years would be more of an authority on finding a ltr or spouse then the RP guy who (with few exceptions) are either divorced after a single digit year or avoided marriage altogether.

I would personally rather listen to a guy who's been married for years than a woman has not had the same success in dating even if the man doesnt necessarily know the specific struggles that come with dating as a woman.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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