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why do you girls feel the need of getting long nails(that show aggressiveness), long eyelashes and strong make up ( that show competitiveness ), when men aren't attracted to those masculine traits? ( Yeah, because you love attention )

August 29, 2022
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Title why do you girls feel the need of getting long nails(that show aggressiveness), long eyelashes and strong make up ( that show competitiveness ), when men aren't attracted to those masculine traits? ( Yeah, because you love attention )
Author you-arent-reading-it
Upvotes 1
Comments 74
Date August 29, 2022 6:26 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]HodgekinWhitePill 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Male here.

I think the nail thing is a status symbol to show to other females.

"Yeah bitch, I ain't gotta work and can still afford these long ass nails."

And make up in general is a competition for the male gaze. I personally don't like make up, but men are visual creatures so it goes without say, that make up does attract the male gaze.

[–]shreyastalpade 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

men are visual creatures

Women are visual creatures as well.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're right.

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's about time people stop staying that men are visual creatures, it's a gender neutral thing.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you agree that male criteria for a partner is a shorter list than a female's criteria for a partner?

If yes, would you agree that we may weigh the importance of each criteria differently, but if the list of criteria is small to begin with, it generally adds more weight to each criteria?

So I agree both men and woman are visual creatures, and they both would prefer an ascetically pleasing partner. But because woman list is longer than men in terms of their wants/needs for a partner, the importance of looks is not as significant to them as it would be for a man.

An example of this is women who are looking for hook ups will have a list of criteria similar to a man who's looking for a hook up. It's a rather short list, and thus, we see woman being more picky about appearance. On a man's list, the difference would be, he requires a women to be "easy", which is an added layer of criteria, thus, you see men willing to hook up with women less attractive, if the tradeoff is that she's easier to get in bed with.

If we're looking at long-term relationships, a woman's list becomes exponentially larger, while the man's list get's bigger, but not much is added. As you can see in this example, a women can trade off her preference for looks if she can get adequate provisioning. While a man isn't looking for items such as provisioning or protection, so he will weigh the look criteria more heavily than a woman.

That's why men of great wealth and status will have a harem of beautiful woman. Because he doesn't require of them much other than their looks (because he can afford to outsource things like cleaning/childrearing).

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think the nail thing is a status symbol to show to other females.

Yes I still believe that too. I think women do make up not only directly for men, but for the social competition that there is between females too.

that make up does attract the male gaze.

Yes but there is a limit. Research actually shows that if you take the average american woman and the strength of their make up, men actually are more interested in light make up on average. I'll link the research when I have time

Edit: here is one of the researches.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes but there is a limit. Research actually shows that if you take the average american woman and the strength of their make up, men actually are more interested in light make up on average. I'll link the research when I have time

I believe you! You don't have to if it's takes too much time.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Found one of the researches. You can check it out if you wish ( the other comment )

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women and men often mean something different about makeup strength though.

Like, I don't think men mean "full coverage foundation" when they talk about heavy makeup, unless it's badly done, but a lot of women do.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women and men often mean something different about makeup strength though.

The study is clear about those definitions. It's not just self reported.

[–]Siukslinis_acc 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the nail thing is a status symbol to show to other females.

"Yeah bitch, I ain't gotta work and can still afford these long ass nails."

I think it's more "I can afford to have long nails because I don't have to work with my hands". I have seen women with long nails (around 3 cm long) try to do the most basic stuff. They have trouble even locking up a piece of paper.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I should have specified what type of work. Typically low collar jobs or manual labor. Women look down on these types of jobs so being associated with it would lower their reputation

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts well said

[–]RazhL 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What pill is this even?
Sounds more like whiny misogyny imho.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

How is that misogyny when I value typical feminine traits on women and promote them over the masculine ones? And if you start arguing that I hate men, as a man, well that's a flawed argument, because that's only a preference. Furthermore, that's a preference that I have for women I could potentially be in a relationship with, I'm not even demanding that from women in general. Also, I prefer masculine traits in men I'm friends with. Now go back to school

[–]rurunoa 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah the answer to your post title is we dont care about your preference

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My feelings!!!

[–]RazhL 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

But what pill is it???

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Specifically pinkpill if you wish, cause most women don't know the limit there is on grooming ( which is important ). But since I am not a woman, I prefer to categorize that as whitepill.

Sounds more like whiny misogyny

Also, stop accusing people for your own sake.

[–]RazhL -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bronze Pill

[–]RealNiceLady 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think you misinterpret women's grooming.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Elaborate.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

The nails, eyelashes, and makeup are not about male character traits, but trying to look her best.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about that. As you read the title it says "LONG nails", "STRONG make up". That's being competitive to the point of demanding yourself to look better than your friends. I didn't say women shouldn't take care of themselves. I'm saying that you can colour your nails without making them look like aggressive claws. You don't need them that long. It's not a dick. The strong make up thing is also demonstrated that it makes women look less attractive. It's competition for the sake of it. That's not interesting or appealing at all for men and if they say so they just plainly lie to you. Yes they want something from you.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand you don't like the look, but you are also misinterpreting the look.

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not grooming, it's makeup used for clout hunting

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Men are attracted to these things and YES they do it to get attention as well as creating physical attraction to get their way.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I agree. But the point of the video is: that makes you less long-term material. Especially if you exaggerate make up, extremely long nails eccetera.

[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

we dont care. nobody is forcing you to marry them

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

that makes you less long-term material.

They have more than enough options to not worry about this.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They have more than enough options to not worry about this.

That's the delusion of women in modern times. Since they think:

"I can attract many guys = I can secure a long term relationship for life in seconds and I can wait 35/40 before making kids and I'm sure everything will go alright."

That's false though.

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's false though

Somewhat true.

[–]tinasnow-poty 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because they look pretty, to me

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Sexy disposable commodities

[–]tinasnow-poty 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Have you considered not everyone thinks like you? There are some demographics that like that sort of look (and marry them), just like how some people prefer the natural, less done up look. Crazy isn’t it

[–]shreyastalpade 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah men who marry them out of lack of options and end up as providers, while the wife gets dolled up to have fun outside.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–]tinasnow-poty -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what guys you got it 🙌🏾

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and their marriages last less and this is demonstrated.

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

The woman in the video is a 27 year old married to a man twice her age, who tries to make a living by posting triggering videos to women who don't agree with her way of life. She's equivalent to a red pill grifter like Rich Cooper and Fresh and Fit who only want your money.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay. What kind of redpill people do you follow?

[–]BumblingBeta -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't follow any of them anymore. Rich Cooper used to be good a few years ago, until he became all about money-grabbing, recycling old content for clicks, creating BS supplements.

Rollo Tomassi was ok to listen to for a bit, but his youtube live streams are him rambling on and on for 3 hours or more and after a while, it was repetitive and boring to listen to.

I watched some of Fresh and Fit, but every episode is the same, inviting some really dumb, thick women on from Instagram so they can "debate" with them, parrot the same talking points, then some sad dudes in the chat sending in $200 superchats just to say "enjoy being old cat ladies women". And you just know that even though lots of dudes in the chat are insulting those women, those same dudes then go and follow those women's Instagrams and simp for them.

Then there's others like Alexander Grace, more repetitiveness about women's nature.

So I stopped because the content was repetitive and I felt like I had listened to everything I needed to, or I could see it became too much about money and clicks.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

The woman in the video is a 27 year old married to a man twice her age, who tries to make a living by posting triggering videos to women who don't agree with her way of life.

Wait she is married?I thought she give lectures on redpill theory after learning lessons from her previous relationship.

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

As far as I know, she is married. I skim through her content, but her content isn't really thought provoking, but her audience demographic is mainly targeted to young women. Similar to justpearlythings, she knows a lot of talking points, but it's not thought provoking nor is it sophisticated or well thought out. I think she has a team of male writers giving her various comebacks or debate points, as it seems she uses the same ones over and over again without any real depth.

My critism to justpearlythings is if you believe what you say, why aren't you married with kids?

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

My critism to justpearlythings is if you believe what you say, why aren't you married with kids?

Now I am confused lol.Wait,she isn't married? I don't watch videos of her or that woman in video but I thought she was married as some link of her video was shared in rpw, most people appreciate her.So I thought oh...she must be married?

[–]HodgekinWhitePill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol. I may be wrong or out dated info, but I do recall her saying in one of her podcast something like "hey, if there's any quality man out there that likes gingers, call me"

This was 2 months ago, so maybe she's not single now, but the amount of work she's been doing would make me assume she doesn't have time to date.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure she's married. She's definitely with a man twice her age, or more than twice her age.

What people need to understand is these red pill youtubers almost never practice what they preach. These red pill beliefs are what I like to call "luxury beliefs". This explains what luxury beliefs are: https://medium.com/@austinjcerny/what-are-luxury-beliefs-6088f8a16197 What these red pill youtubers are doing is screwing over their audience by telling them to live a certain way, while they live an opposite way in their own lives and rake in the profits.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What these red pill youtubers are doing is screwing over their audience by telling them to live a certain way,

Is there anything they said that you actually agreed?

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill youtubers? Yeah sort of. I agree with their general assessment of women, even though they take it to extremes a lot, by analysing TikTok videos of highly emotional, mentally unstable women and then painting the entirety of the female population with that same brush.

They tell men to spin plates and never marry and have sex with hot young women all the time, but these red pill youtubers are either miserable MGTOWs who find it hard to find meaning in life and have mid-life crises, or they have a wife and kids which goes against what they're telling men to do.

This nonsense about "frame and game" too, when looks are the most important thing these days.

So there are grains of truth in the red pill, but also a lot of bullshit, frauds and scammers. You can't say it's all right or all wrong.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Makeup is considered attractive for men, it's cope to say it isn't

That being said appearence can indeed be made to self express or just to feel better about yourself

[–]shreyastalpade 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That being said appearence can indeed be made to self express or just to feel better about yourself

Copium.

[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish it was copium but i dislike my appearence for this reason

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 -1 points0 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

To make them feel good about themselves

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Yes. And that is also established by how much attention they receive from the opposite gender(generally), the level of respect achieved by other girls, the judgment of society, and the way they have been educated by their parents.

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

So what?

If it makes people happy to do it?

Personally I get nails as my husband loves them but not too long as I can’t do anything with them lol

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

but not too long

That's exactly the point.

If it makes people happy to do it?

Temporarily happy. Also, your husband is lying.

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think he is lying?

He asks me to get them done

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To get more attention and to create attraction for getting things your way.

[–]CatchPhraze -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Woman do this this thing that makes them less attractive to compete for male attention/maximum attraction?

Girl no. Lmao. Women often do things for themselves that don't evolve men at all. Nor does anyone need to constantly assess if what they're doing constantly is the maximum attractive. Sometimes you just gotta live your life..damn.

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Woman do this this thing that makes them less attractive to compete for male attention/maximum attraction?

They do it for attention.

[–]CatchPhraze 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

From who?

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From everyone and a bit more from men.

[–]CatchPhraze 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So defend that. Do you give people you find less attractive more attention then people you find more attractive?

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

i dont even wear makeup but maybe women just want to look attractive and dont care about your opinion? do you think these women want to date you anyways LOL why dont you worry about the woman that fit your standards rather than the ones that don’t. why are you expecting people to limit their self expression to please you or random guys

[–]shreyastalpade 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls do it for attention

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

i dont even wear makeup

Well, you should.

dont care about your opinion?

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Backed up by data.

do you think these women want to date you anyways LOL

I fuck thousands of them already lol. If I wasn't I certainly wouldn't be whitepill. (But I don't judge any of the blackpillers)

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

i don’t need to wear makeup because i was born pretty. with opinion i am referring to mens opinion that these things aren’t attractive. they wear them because they like nails and find them pretty not because you like it. thats what i am talking about.

[–]you-arent-reading-it[S] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

i don’t need to wear makeup because i was born pretty

That's the delusion of modern women. "I'm a 10!" "Oh yeah girl! You look so wonderful on those clothes" Also as soon as your "friend" go back with her crew she talks shit on you. Just like your friend criticize other girls in your presence. You live in fairy tales. You are not a man, so no one will be direct to you. They won't tell you the truth.

i am referring to mens opinion that these things aren’t attractive

Well that's also demonstrated that men find more pleasing light make up over strong make up, normal nails over aggressive long claws, eyelashes within normal standard of length over exaggerate long ones. So you keep on the bullshit after this is already demonstrated.

[–]anonymous-platypus1 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a hilarious take. My female friends are blunt with one another. We get along because we are honest and understanding. If my makeup or outfit looks bad, they tell me. If the guy im seeing is a jerk. They tell me. This shows me that you don’t really have any real women in your life. Let alone get a thousand to have sex with you. Unless you’re an adult entertainer, or course. But your post and these comments just sound like whining.

[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

i hear from people second hand that i am pretty, even without wearing makeup guys approach me and ask for my ig and i have a boyfriend. i am also mixed and my only failo is that i have a big nose. obviously i know im not a 10, i don’t have eurocentric features but i also don’t have a recessed chin or anything. i have eyebrows and clear skin and long lashes already i dont need makeup. i dont even have many friends because i have social anxiety. and i dont care what men like because im okay with being alone. if my bf didn’t like me the way i am i would be okay with that, nobody is forcing him to like me

[–]bludkrazeRED AF 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

just want to look attractive and dont care about your opinion?

They absolutely do.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about other.

But for me,I just feel cute and enjoy annoying my brother to look how cute is it lol.

I once got similar nail design like https://www.instagram.com/p/CeUQGHDufNu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=. It just got me in cheerful mode

I felt excited like you would get if you got new tv.

[–]InfamousBake1859 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We like to hyperbolize characteristics of each gender. So men like big boobs and butts with a small waist. Men actually do like women who take care of their nails, makeup (shown women with makeup gets more matches), and longer lashes (probably not the type that looks like 5 extensions all glued together).

I don’t think those are masculine traits nowadays at all.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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